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Chelsea received good news ahead of the return of the 2019/20 English League, players who were previously absent due to injury have returned to training and have the potential to immediately return to the starting XI, say Christian Pulisic, Ruben Loftus-Cheek and Tammy Abraham, who have collected 15 this season goal.

The club, which is headquartered at Stamford Bridge, is indeed showing a pretty good performance in the 2019/20 season, they now occupy the position of four standings with 48 points.

A number of important matches have been waiting for Frank Lampard's squad, after challenging Aston Villa on June 21, they will also meet Manchester City and Leicester City in the FA Cup quarter-finals.
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Virtual fans is the killer app!

If you could pull faces, shout and wave your arms I think you are onto a winner here.

Doctor who style future crowd is go.

I read that the Danish superleague already did this with Zoom! I saw the pictures, basically fans could tune into the zoom app beamed onto the stadium big pitch screen and random fans celebrating were highlighted. Looked quite good but probably nobody to see it. I think it could become a really good feature for future.

But yes, imagine every seat has a virtual dummy that acts like you controlling it from another space?
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I think the only reason why home really matters is fans and all the travelling, but right now its not both of them so I don't know. Normally when you are playing at home, you just go to stadium, be in your locker room that is literally there for half of the seasons games and you are used to it, you can take a bath at the place you prefer, you can suit up wherever you like to, you could basically do all the small things that really help you get in the groove and on the road you can't do those things, that could be the only difference.

However normally fans do matter a lot, when you get shouted at by 50k people that HAS TO affect you, even if you are a multi million dollar earning player, and going from one place to another is usually takes a plane ride and that takes time and uncomfortable as well, neither of those two things are available here at all.

Yeah, I agree that the fans support and pressure on the referee do make the most of the home advantage, traveling is a part as well. But a huge part is also the pitch dimension, grass height and speed.

For example, Barcelona always puts sprinklers on before games. Most of the clubs that play fast and on the ground nowadays do. Some other clubs that like the physical side of the game will let the grass grow to slow the game down and will not water the pitch as much. The ball is then more bouncy and harder to control which makes it harder for good clubs to play their game.
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The presence of supporters always makes a difference for players. When the team is in a state of lagging several goals, it is the supporters who can encourage the host players so they can get up and turn around. Apart from the fatigue of the opposing players, there is a desire that those who come to the stadium do not go home disappointed, this is what in my opinion can have an influence on team motivation. Even so, this is only one factor, the mentality of players on the field is the most important role in a match either without or with supporters. We'll see how the team plays in these conditions in the second match without supporters. Does this have a big influence on the home team, or is it more beneficial to the opposing team?
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Well you would think or expect that, but the first game back being the derby might not be easy, especially away. Maybe they lose or draw that, beat Palace, then lose to City, which wouldn't surprise me with it being away. They're all games I'll be watching though. Liverpool might start to panic if they lose all three of them  Grin
Haha but since it's just 1.4 kms away from Anfield, there is no home advantage on this derby for Everton. Like what LFC_ said, their fans are crazy indeed, but none of them would be in the stadium. And yeah, Liverpool is well known as a team that easily being panic in the rest of Premier League season lol. Hope they dont ruin it this time.

Wut? You're telling me playing at home isn't an advantage in a derby? Since when is proximity a factor in home advantage? It's England. Why would playing ten miles away or one hundred miles matter? You're not playing in a different country with a different climate. Home advantage matters whether the stadiums are empty or next door to each other.
I think the only reason why home really matters is fans and all the travelling, but right now its not both of them so I don't know. Normally when you are playing at home, you just go to stadium, be in your locker room that is literally there for half of the seasons games and you are used to it, you can take a bath at the place you prefer, you can suit up wherever you like to, you could basically do all the small things that really help you get in the groove and on the road you can't do those things, that could be the only difference.

However normally fans do matter a lot, when you get shouted at by 50k people that HAS TO affect you, even if you are a multi million dollar earning player, and going from one place to another is usually takes a plane ride and that takes time and uncomfortable as well, neither of those two things are available here at all.
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What? Mourinho spent loads of money everywhere he went.
Chelsea - 200 million in the first 2 years, that was in 2005 when it was the same as spending 1 billion.
Inter - 60 million the 1st season, also like 200 million in today's money.
Real - almost 100 million in the 1st season
United - 300 million in 2 seasons

I'm talking net spend here, so these are losses after we calculate sold players.

Except Guardiola, I do not know a single manager that was given the same money to spend as Mourinho. To be honest, I think he outspends everybody else by a mile.

He's exactly the opposite of a guy who does not need transfers to have a successful team.
Stats do not lie us. Both Mourinho and Pep are not the kind of managers who can build up a strong team from scratch and win titles. I think they can because Mourinho did it with Porto and he even brought Porto to UEFA and Champions League's cups. However, when they became famous and their reputation are high, they only want to have huge transfer funds to get instant success.

Only Diego Simeone of A. Madrid seems to be a manager who can and want to build up a strong team with limited transfer fund. I don't know Simeone changed his style since the transfer of Joao Felix or not and we need to wait for next 1 or 2 transfer season to see how his transfer and management styles change.

Uh sir...?  I think you're forgetting somebody?  This guy is Mauricio Pochettino.  He says hello.  Grin



Kidding...  But yeah not taking anything away from Simeone.  He's obv a good manager.

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Wut? You're telling me playing at home isn't an advantage in a derby? Since when is proximity a factor in home advantage? It's England. Why would playing ten miles away or one hundred miles matter? You're not playing in a different country with a different climate. Home advantage matters whether the stadiums are empty or next door to each other.
Nah. Empty stadium isn't scary for everyone even in derby. I expected an intense match on Der Klassiker in Bundesliga (yeah it isn't England) few weeks ago but it's not as exciting as when they play in full stadium. Long distance does matter because the trip duration would take their time that could be used for some useful thing like training or something else Tongue Nothing scarier than playing on cold rainy night in Stoke.
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Virtual fans is the killer app!


If you could pull faces, shout and wave your arms I think you are onto a winner here.



Doctor who style future crowd is go.



There’s a German team that are charging fans a small fee to have cardboard cut outs in the stadium with the fans face on. Now that is pretty weird.
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Virtual fans is the killer app!


If you could pull faces, shout and wave your arms I think you are onto a winner here.



Doctor who style future crowd is go.

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Well you would think or expect that, but the first game back being the derby might not be easy, especially away. Maybe they lose or draw that, beat Palace, then lose to City, which wouldn't surprise me with it being away. They're all games I'll be watching though. Liverpool might start to panic if they lose all three of them  Grin
Haha but since it's just 1.4 kms away from Anfield, there is no home advantage on this derby for Everton. Like what LFC_ said, their fans are crazy indeed, but none of them would be in the stadium. And yeah, Liverpool is well known as a team that easily being panic in the rest of Premier League season lol. Hope they dont ruin it this time.

Wut? You're telling me playing at home isn't an advantage in a derby? Since when is proximity a factor in home advantage? It's England. Why would playing ten miles away or one hundred miles matter? You're not playing in a different country with a different climate. Home advantage matters whether the stadiums are empty or next door to each other.
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The host is certainly stronger now mentally because the match without their supporters is more relaxed because this is the first time the game for them might be without any support from the team or opponents so that the second match will be more relaxed until the end of the match.
Maybe this can happen when the next match the team will be more relaxed with the game without supporters. However, that must be considered are young players from opponents who do not have a good mentality when competing in front of the host supporters. They may be able to show a more optimal game without any pressure from the host's chants. That why I said it will more interesting.
Well young players will be quite relaxed when playing at the host but I think here young players should be able to show their best performances because here they can play optimally without blasphemous singing to players who are not liked by their supporters, but we will just see a little bit in the next match because there were no fans screaming on the field Grin
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It’s far from ideal but any football back is good for me. I did see somewhere online that clubs are looking at the option of putting crowd noises loudly through the stadium speakers to create a more normal match day atmosphere.

certainly not just you, soccer without the supporters shouting like not football. But this is a condition that must occur in the meantime.


The host is certainly stronger now mentally because the match without their supporters is more relaxed because this is the first time the game for them might be without any support from the team or opponents so that the second match will be more relaxed until the end of the match.


Maybe this can happen when the next match the team will be more relaxed with the game without supporters. However, that must be considered are young players from opponents who do not have a good mentality when competing in front of the host supporters. They may be able to show a more optimal game without any pressure from the host's chants. That why I said it will more interesting.
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Simeone is a good example, yes, but Pochettino is an even better one in my opinion. The results he had in England with Tottenham were amazing and considering he basically did not spend any money in the process makes him my current favorite for the 'overachiever' role.

If we look back and take examples from earlier, I think we cannot find a better one than Wenger. His Arsenal was built without any real spending and he lost it only in the last 5 years or so. It worked for more than 10 before that and his legacy to football is quite big.
Pochettino is a good manager too and this is a reason Mourinho gave very good words for Pochettino in the first press conference in Spurs after taking over the manager position of Pochettino. However, to compare he and Simeone, I still think Simeone is better because Spurs over many years have a good financial status, that is not what existed with A.Madrid when Simeone became their manager.

I knew that Pochettino suffered some losses of key players over seasons because of the transfer strategy of the director but he had better management condition than Simeone. And of course they have luck to build up a strong team and had successes

Usually it is not the manager's fault fitted team is not succeeding well.
Atletico and Spurs have different plans when building a team. For example you can see that Tottenham is more relied on English players or native ones. You cannot blame pochettino for that and yy cannot compare his work to simeone as well.
Every coach must have a different strategy in which Pochettino might rely on English players / original players because they know their talents can be relied on even before being fired from Spurs able to reach the UCL Cup final even though it must be defeated by Liverpool as well.
Whereas Simeone knows the strategy at the end like yesterday which was able to conquer Liverpool on the home turf even this is also a good achievement so I think Simeone and Pochettino are the best coaches who have ever become successful managers.
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Simeone is a good example, yes, but Pochettino is an even better one in my opinion. The results he had in England with Tottenham were amazing and considering he basically did not spend any money in the process makes him my current favorite for the 'overachiever' role.

If we look back and take examples from earlier, I think we cannot find a better one than Wenger. His Arsenal was built without any real spending and he lost it only in the last 5 years or so. It worked for more than 10 before that and his legacy to football is quite big.
Pochettino is a good manager too and this is a reason Mourinho gave very good words for Pochettino in the first press conference in Spurs after taking over the manager position of Pochettino. However, to compare he and Simeone, I still think Simeone is better because Spurs over many years have a good financial status, that is not what existed with A.Madrid when Simeone became their manager.

I knew that Pochettino suffered some losses of key players over seasons because of the transfer strategy of the director but he had better management condition than Simeone. And of course they have luck to build up a strong team and had successes

Usually it is not the manager's fault fitted team is not succeeding well.
Atletico and Spurs have different plans when building a team. For example you can see that Tottenham is more relied on English players or native ones. You cannot blame pochettino for that and yy cannot compare his work to simeone as well.
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Simeone is a good example, yes, but Pochettino is an even better one in my opinion. The results he had in England with Tottenham were amazing and considering he basically did not spend any money in the process makes him my current favorite for the 'overachiever' role.

If we look back and take examples from earlier, I think we cannot find a better one than Wenger. His Arsenal was built without any real spending and he lost it only in the last 5 years or so. It worked for more than 10 before that and his legacy to football is quite big.
Pochettino is a good manager too and this is a reason Mourinho gave very good words for Pochettino in the first press conference in Spurs after taking over the manager position of Pochettino. However, to compare he and Simeone, I still think Simeone is better because Spurs over many years have a good financial status, that is not what existed with A.Madrid when Simeone became their manager.

I knew that Pochettino suffered some losses of key players over seasons because of the transfer strategy of the director but he had better management condition than Simeone. And of course they have luck to build up a strong team and had successes
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I doubt that all of them feels like they have a chance to be at the top, when you are at the late stages of the league the next seasons talks start. I have been involved with some teams before (marketing related, not football related) but even I know that they start to consider what they will do next year instead of focusing on this year when it is this late in the league.

Even if you are at 9th spot like Arsenal and could end up in the top 5, you do not really focus on that because for one that is unlikely, and for the real reason they want to be very high, they want to win the title, and in order to do that they can't focus on this season anymore, they start talking about what changes they could do to get the title next year or the year after that very early on the season, they probably talked about it during all of this pandemic period as well.

I agree with your thoughts, I also think that the rest of the season's matches will not be that interesting. Besides the champion already
almost certain liverpool, all teams have lost interest in pursuing the top position this season. Because they are more focused talk about
next season's match, which is more interesting to talk about. Especially changes in the composition of the players, for example Chelsea
which has brought in several new players.
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Well you would think or expect that, but the first game back being the derby might not be easy, especially away. Maybe they lose or draw that, beat Palace, then lose to City, which wouldn't surprise me with it being away. They're all games I'll be watching though. Liverpool might start to panic if they lose all three of them  Grin
Haha but since it's just 1.4 kms away from Anfield, there is no home advantage on this derby for Everton. Like what LFC_ said, their fans are crazy indeed, but none of them would be in the stadium. And yeah, Liverpool is well known as a team that easily being panic in the rest of Premier League season lol. Hope they dont ruin it this time.


I was pessimist that Premier League would continue initially, but now knowing the game is coming next week, I can't hold this excitement lol.
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i think that that one is really impossible, for Liverpool not getting the title, do not see any option for that to happen
City would not collect more points than Liverpool now has, and Liverpool can lose all matches until the end, they will get the title, but do think that they will continue to play as before the pandemic and get the title in a few rounds (two or three i guess)

There is no way it will happen.
Liverpool will have the title, they can almost retire the team for the rest of the year and get all 0-3 and they have a chance to winning anyway.

They cannot end the season without the title with such advantage on the second even if they will stop again the season.
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What's you guys take? Check this out, premier league starts, the balance is shifted - maybe because of long term sidelines of football- Liverpool loses that thing they had going, thing doesn't Start going jolly good for them, and man city starts to close in on them,
Do anyone think the premier league this season is not yet won and lost and things can still take another turn

i think that that one is really impossible, for Liverpool not getting the title, do not see any option for that to happen
City would not collect more points than Liverpool now has, and Liverpool can lose all matches until the end, they will get the title, but do think that they will continue to play as before the pandemic and get the title in a few rounds (two or three i guess)
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I doubt that all of them feels like they have a chance to be at the top, when you are at the late stages of the league the next seasons talks start. I have been involved with some teams before (marketing related, not football related) but even I know that they start to consider what they will do next year instead of focusing on this year when it is this late in the league.

Even if you are at 9th spot like Arsenal and could end up in the top 5, you do not really focus on that because for one that is unlikely, and for the real reason they want to be very high, they want to win the title, and in order to do that they can't focus on this season anymore, they start talking about what changes they could do to get the title next year or the year after that very early on the season, they probably talked about it during all of this pandemic period as well.
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