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legendary
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February 29, 2016, 09:56:59 AM
Universe is not a perfect system.  It is actually very violent and very hostile to life.
How does an imperfect being such as a human begin to understand the definition of perfection? How could a mortal imagine infinity? God is everything man cannot be, yet man strives to mould himself in the likeness of God, to become like and greater than the most high. Those who have placed themselves above God deny the existence thereof, just as the mighty Satan defied God, so shall men who worship themselves be cut off from his kingdom.


And I wouldn't say 'violent towards life', more like 'chaotic'.

Man doesn't have to understand the definition of perfection. Just have (and that is easy to do) to understand and see imperfection all around us.

All you gotta do is look at all the imperfection around to see that even imperfection acts perfectly. Of course, if it didn't exist, then you could say that it didn't act at all.

Cool

So the death of my grand father by cancer was a "perfect imperfection" that's what you're telling me?

I'm not necessarily telling you anything.

What part of your grandfather's death by cancer operated outside of the laws of nature? None of it. All the laws of nature acted perfectly.

Cool

If all laws of nature acted perfectly and god was not responsible for them what is the need for a god? And if god is responsible, then I refer you to valta4065's comment.

The laws of nature act perfectly BECAUSE God is responsible for them. Here's how it worked and works yet today.

God made the laws of nature and set everything into being.

Among the laws of nature existed the ability of mankind to freely act against God, which, if mankind did it, would destroy nature and the universe... built right into the laws of nature.

Mankind DID turn against God, and nature was in the process of being destroyed almost instantly.

God didn't make nature and people for nothing. He had purpose. Part of the purpose was that people were and are the objects of God's love. Nature was part of God's gifts to us.

God realized that people didn't understand how foolish and stupid they were being by turning against Him, so He stopped the destruction by sending His Son, Jesus, to take the punishment for all people for turning against God. The work that Jesus did on the cross, actually upheld the universe and the laws of nature right from the beginning times when mankind turned against God.

God also gave mankind the thing that they asked for by their turning against God. This thing is death, and all the pains and problems that people have in life which culminate in death.

All of it operates perfectly, in a perfect nature, according to perfect natural laws. God is perfectly giving people the thing the formally asked for > death. God is giving people the thing that they thought they were asking for > better life. God is preparing a better life for those who are not against Him, in the coming resurrection.

Wake up and turn to God so that you are not permanently destroyed by your adamant obstinance in remaining against God.

Cool

So, god is responsible, then.

Bible should start with "God created Heaven, Earth and Hell".  Somehow they skipped that part.

He created Hell to torment you for eternity, but he loves you Wink



God is responsible for it all. Because having responsibility is so wonderful, He gave yours to you. Since you used your responsibility to reject God, He is giving you what you asked for... the ability to not have any responsibility for anything anymore.

But in case you change your mind, you have the ability to take responsibility again for a while... as long as your life exists. You can responsibly accept God and eternal life if you want.

Cool

You know, I played "hide and seek" until I was about 6, then go tired of it. 

God, just show your fucking face.  Otherwise, you don't exist.  End of story.

BTW, don't blame me for the mistakes of your imaginary friend.

Poor baby. Made your mistakes in life, and can't get out of them.

Come to Jesus God and He will take your mistakes and convert them into eternal life for you. However, you certainly have the freedom to keep on trying your own way. Better work fast, though. You probably don't have a hundred years left... and maybe only minutes.

 Cheesy

Do you even know how to read?  Do you read from any other books other than the Bible?  I doubt it.

I said don't blame me for the mistakes of your imaginary friend.


Great! Say it all day. But you don't even know if I have an imaginary friend or not. And I certainly wouldn't blame you for my friend's mistakes, even if my friend were imaginary.

However, you get the blame for your own mistakes, especially the ones of not accepting God.

What is all this nonsense that you keep writing?

Cool

BSDecker, Let me spell it out for you: God is your imaginary friend.


Now let me show you how mixed up you are. God might be imaginary for you, but He is my real friend.

Cool
legendary
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February 29, 2016, 09:54:33 AM
You're talking about Jesus a lot, but we got no proof of his existence either.

How can I believe in someone that maybe never existed?

The evidence is the Bible N.T. witnesses.    Cool
legendary
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February 29, 2016, 09:52:52 AM
Universe is not a perfect system.  It is actually very violent and very hostile to life.
How does an imperfect being such as a human begin to understand the definition of perfection? How could a mortal imagine infinity? God is everything man cannot be, yet man strives to mould himself in the likeness of God, to become like and greater than the most high. Those who have placed themselves above God deny the existence thereof, just as the mighty Satan defied God, so shall men who worship themselves be cut off from his kingdom.


And I wouldn't say 'violent towards life', more like 'chaotic'.

Man doesn't have to understand the definition of perfection. Just have (and that is easy to do) to understand and see imperfection all around us.

All you gotta do is look at all the imperfection around to see that even imperfection acts perfectly. Of course, if it didn't exist, then you could say that it didn't act at all.

Cool

So the death of my grand father by cancer was a "perfect imperfection" that's what you're telling me?

I'm not necessarily telling you anything.

What part of your grandfather's death by cancer operated outside of the laws of nature? None of it. All the laws of nature acted perfectly.

Cool

If all laws of nature acted perfectly and god was not responsible for them what is the need for a god? And if god is responsible, then I refer you to valta4065's comment.

The laws of nature act perfectly BECAUSE God is responsible for them. Here's how it worked and works yet today.

God made the laws of nature and set everything into being.

Among the laws of nature existed the ability of mankind to freely act against God, which, if mankind did it, would destroy nature and the universe... built right into the laws of nature.

Mankind DID turn against God, and nature was in the process of being destroyed almost instantly.

God didn't make nature and people for nothing. He had purpose. Part of the purpose was that people were and are the objects of God's love. Nature was part of God's gifts to us.

God realized that people didn't understand how foolish and stupid they were being by turning against Him, so He stopped the destruction by sending His Son, Jesus, to take the punishment for all people for turning against God. The work that Jesus did on the cross, actually upheld the universe and the laws of nature right from the beginning times when mankind turned against God.

God also gave mankind the thing that they asked for by their turning against God. This thing is death, and all the pains and problems that people have in life which culminate in death.

All of it operates perfectly, in a perfect nature, according to perfect natural laws. God is perfectly giving people the thing the formally asked for > death. God is giving people the thing that they thought they were asking for > better life. God is preparing a better life for those who are not against Him, in the coming resurrection.

Wake up and turn to God so that you are not permanently destroyed by your adamant obstinance in remaining against God.

Cool

So, god is responsible, then.

Bible should start with "God created Heaven, Earth and Hell".  Somehow they skipped that part.

He created Hell to torment you for eternity, but he loves you Wink



God is responsible for it all. Because having responsibility is so wonderful, He gave yours to you. Since you used your responsibility to reject God, He is giving you what you asked for... the ability to not have any responsibility for anything anymore.

But in case you change your mind, you have the ability to take responsibility again for a while... as long as your life exists. You can responsibly accept God and eternal life if you want.

Cool

You know, I played "hide and seek" until I was about 6, then go tired of it. 

God, just show your fucking face.  Otherwise, you don't exist.  End of story.

BTW, don't blame me for the mistakes of your imaginary friend.

Poor baby. Made your mistakes in life, and can't get out of them.

Come to Jesus God and He will take your mistakes and convert them into eternal life for you. However, you certainly have the freedom to keep on trying your own way. Better work fast, though. You probably don't have a hundred years left... and maybe only minutes.

 Cheesy

Do you even know how to read?  Do you read from any other books other than the Bible?  I doubt it.

I said don't blame me for the mistakes of your imaginary friend.


Great! Say it all day. But you don't even know if I have an imaginary friend or not. And I certainly wouldn't blame you for my friend's mistakes, even if my friend were imaginary.

However, you get the blame for your own mistakes, especially the ones of not accepting God.

What is all this nonsense that you keep writing?

Cool
hero member
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February 29, 2016, 09:47:56 AM
You're talking about Jesus a lot, but we got no proof of his existence either.

How can I believe in someone that maybe never existed?
legendary
Activity: 3990
Merit: 1385
February 29, 2016, 09:44:45 AM
God is responsible for it all. Because having responsibility is so wonderful, He gave yours to you. Since you used your responsibility to reject God, He is giving you what you asked for... the ability to not have any responsibility for anything anymore.

But in case you change your mind, you have the ability to take responsibility again for a while... as long as your life exists. You can responsibly accept God and eternal life if you want.

Cool

Have any of you realized how a "reasoning" of Badecker is complicated, flawed and impossible to follow or understand?

Have any of you recognized that life and the universe are things that are rather complex and hard to follow?

Cool

Not really.  Actually most of life makes sense.  Of course there are things not fully understood, but that is where fun begins.

God of the gaps does not help you understand universe any better.  It is a "I give up" position.  A cop out.



Silly dufus. You think you understand life? Good. Extend it out to 1,000 years, then. And show the rest of us how to do it.

Cool
legendary
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February 29, 2016, 09:42:06 AM
Universe is not a perfect system.  It is actually very violent and very hostile to life.
How does an imperfect being such as a human begin to understand the definition of perfection? How could a mortal imagine infinity? God is everything man cannot be, yet man strives to mould himself in the likeness of God, to become like and greater than the most high. Those who have placed themselves above God deny the existence thereof, just as the mighty Satan defied God, so shall men who worship themselves be cut off from his kingdom.


And I wouldn't say 'violent towards life', more like 'chaotic'.

Man doesn't have to understand the definition of perfection. Just have (and that is easy to do) to understand and see imperfection all around us.

All you gotta do is look at all the imperfection around to see that even imperfection acts perfectly. Of course, if it didn't exist, then you could say that it didn't act at all.

Cool

So the death of my grand father by cancer was a "perfect imperfection" that's what you're telling me?

I'm not necessarily telling you anything.

What part of your grandfather's death by cancer operated outside of the laws of nature? None of it. All the laws of nature acted perfectly.

Cool

If all laws of nature acted perfectly and god was not responsible for them what is the need for a god? And if god is responsible, then I refer you to valta4065's comment.

The laws of nature act perfectly BECAUSE God is responsible for them. Here's how it worked and works yet today.

God made the laws of nature and set everything into being.

Among the laws of nature existed the ability of mankind to freely act against God, which, if mankind did it, would destroy nature and the universe... built right into the laws of nature.

Mankind DID turn against God, and nature was in the process of being destroyed almost instantly.

God didn't make nature and people for nothing. He had purpose. Part of the purpose was that people were and are the objects of God's love. Nature was part of God's gifts to us.

God realized that people didn't understand how foolish and stupid they were being by turning against Him, so He stopped the destruction by sending His Son, Jesus, to take the punishment for all people for turning against God. The work that Jesus did on the cross, actually upheld the universe and the laws of nature right from the beginning times when mankind turned against God.

God also gave mankind the thing that they asked for by their turning against God. This thing is death, and all the pains and problems that people have in life which culminate in death.

All of it operates perfectly, in a perfect nature, according to perfect natural laws. God is perfectly giving people the thing the formally asked for > death. God is giving people the thing that they thought they were asking for > better life. God is preparing a better life for those who are not against Him, in the coming resurrection.

Wake up and turn to God so that you are not permanently destroyed by your adamant obstinance in remaining against God.

Cool

So, god is responsible, then.

Bible should start with "God created Heaven, Earth and Hell".  Somehow they skipped that part.

He created Hell to torment you for eternity, but he loves you Wink



God is responsible for it all. Because having responsibility is so wonderful, He gave yours to you. Since you used your responsibility to reject God, He is giving you what you asked for... the ability to not have any responsibility for anything anymore.

But in case you change your mind, you have the ability to take responsibility again for a while... as long as your life exists. You can responsibly accept God and eternal life if you want.

Cool

You know, I played "hide and seek" until I was about 6, then go tired of it. 

God, just show your fucking face.  Otherwise, you don't exist.  End of story.

BTW, don't blame me for the mistakes of your imaginary friend.

Poor baby. Made your mistakes in life, and can't get out of them.

Come to Jesus God and He will take your mistakes and convert them into eternal life for you. However, you certainly have the freedom to keep on trying your own way. Better work fast, though. You probably don't have a hundred years left... and maybe only minutes.

 Cheesy
legendary
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February 29, 2016, 09:32:11 AM
God is responsible for it all. Because having responsibility is so wonderful, He gave yours to you. Since you used your responsibility to reject God, He is giving you what you asked for... the ability to not have any responsibility for anything anymore.

But in case you change your mind, you have the ability to take responsibility again for a while... as long as your life exists. You can responsibly accept God and eternal life if you want.

Cool

Have any of you realized how a "reasoning" of Badecker is complicated, flawed and impossible to follow or understand?

Have any of you recognized that life and the universe are things that are rather complex and hard to follow?

Cool
hero member
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February 29, 2016, 09:20:17 AM
God is responsible for it all. Because having responsibility is so wonderful, He gave yours to you. Since you used your responsibility to reject God, He is giving you what you asked for... the ability to not have any responsibility for anything anymore.

But in case you change your mind, you have the ability to take responsibility again for a while... as long as your life exists. You can responsibly accept God and eternal life if you want.

Cool

Have any of you realized how a "reasoning" of Badecker is complicated, flawed and impossible to follow or understand?
legendary
Activity: 3990
Merit: 1385
February 29, 2016, 09:13:01 AM
Universe is not a perfect system.  It is actually very violent and very hostile to life.
How does an imperfect being such as a human begin to understand the definition of perfection? How could a mortal imagine infinity? God is everything man cannot be, yet man strives to mould himself in the likeness of God, to become like and greater than the most high. Those who have placed themselves above God deny the existence thereof, just as the mighty Satan defied God, so shall men who worship themselves be cut off from his kingdom.


And I wouldn't say 'violent towards life', more like 'chaotic'.

Man doesn't have to understand the definition of perfection. Just have (and that is easy to do) to understand and see imperfection all around us.

All you gotta do is look at all the imperfection around to see that even imperfection acts perfectly. Of course, if it didn't exist, then you could say that it didn't act at all.

Cool

So the death of my grand father by cancer was a "perfect imperfection" that's what you're telling me?

I'm not necessarily telling you anything.

What part of your grandfather's death by cancer operated outside of the laws of nature? None of it. All the laws of nature acted perfectly.

Cool

If all laws of nature acted perfectly and god was not responsible for them what is the need for a god? And if god is responsible, then I refer you to valta4065's comment.

The laws of nature act perfectly BECAUSE God is responsible for them. Here's how it worked and works yet today.

God made the laws of nature and set everything into being.

Among the laws of nature existed the ability of mankind to freely act against God, which, if mankind did it, would destroy nature and the universe... built right into the laws of nature.

Mankind DID turn against God, and nature was in the process of being destroyed almost instantly.

God didn't make nature and people for nothing. He had purpose. Part of the purpose was that people were and are the objects of God's love. Nature was part of God's gifts to us.

God realized that people didn't understand how foolish and stupid they were being by turning against Him, so He stopped the destruction by sending His Son, Jesus, to take the punishment for all people for turning against God. The work that Jesus did on the cross, actually upheld the universe and the laws of nature right from the beginning times when mankind turned against God.

God also gave mankind the thing that they asked for by their turning against God. This thing is death, and all the pains and problems that people have in life which culminate in death.

All of it operates perfectly, in a perfect nature, according to perfect natural laws. God is perfectly giving people the thing the formally asked for > death. God is giving people the thing that they thought they were asking for > better life. God is preparing a better life for those who are not against Him, in the coming resurrection.

Wake up and turn to God so that you are not permanently destroyed by your adamant obstinance in remaining against God.

Cool

So, god is responsible, then.

Bible should start with "God created Heaven, Earth and Hell".  Somehow they skipped that part.

He created Hell to torment you for eternity, but he loves you Wink



God is responsible for it all. Because having responsibility is so wonderful, He gave yours to you. Since you used your responsibility to reject God, He is giving you what you asked for... the ability to not have any responsibility for anything anymore.

But in case you change your mind, you have the ability to take responsibility again for a while... as long as your life exists. You can responsibly accept God and eternal life if you want.

Cool
donator
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February 29, 2016, 07:37:22 AM
Universe is not a perfect system.  It is actually very violent and very hostile to life.
How does an imperfect being such as a human begin to understand the definition of perfection? How could a mortal imagine infinity? God is everything man cannot be, yet man strives to mould himself in the likeness of God, to become like and greater than the most high. Those who have placed themselves above God deny the existence thereof, just as the mighty Satan defied God, so shall men who worship themselves be cut off from his kingdom.


And I wouldn't say 'violent towards life', more like 'chaotic'.

Man doesn't have to understand the definition of perfection. Just have (and that is easy to do) to understand and see imperfection all around us.

All you gotta do is look at all the imperfection around to see that even imperfection acts perfectly. Of course, if it didn't exist, then you could say that it didn't act at all.

Cool

So the death of my grand father by cancer was a "perfect imperfection" that's what you're telling me?

I'm not necessarily telling you anything.

What part of your grandfather's death by cancer operated outside of the laws of nature? None of it. All the laws of nature acted perfectly.

Cool

If all laws of nature acted perfectly and god was not responsible for them what is the need for a god? And if god is responsible, then I refer you to valta4065's comment.

The laws of nature act perfectly BECAUSE God is responsible for them. Here's how it worked and works yet today.

God made the laws of nature and set everything into being.

Among the laws of nature existed the ability of mankind to freely act against God, which, if mankind did it, would destroy nature and the universe... built right into the laws of nature.

Mankind DID turn against God, and nature was in the process of being destroyed almost instantly.

God didn't make nature and people for nothing. He had purpose. Part of the purpose was that people were and are the objects of God's love. Nature was part of God's gifts to us.

God realized that people didn't understand how foolish and stupid they were being by turning against Him, so He stopped the destruction by sending His Son, Jesus, to take the punishment for all people for turning against God. The work that Jesus did on the cross, actually upheld the universe and the laws of nature right from the beginning times when mankind turned against God.

God also gave mankind the thing that they asked for by their turning against God. This thing is death, and all the pains and problems that people have in life which culminate in death.

All of it operates perfectly, in a perfect nature, according to perfect natural laws. God is perfectly giving people the thing the formally asked for > death. God is giving people the thing that they thought they were asking for > better life. God is preparing a better life for those who are not against Him, in the coming resurrection.

Wake up and turn to God so that you are not permanently destroyed by your adamant obstinance in remaining against God.

Cool

So, god is responsible, then.
legendary
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February 29, 2016, 06:35:54 AM
Universe is not a perfect system.  It is actually very violent and very hostile to life.
How does an imperfect being such as a human begin to understand the definition of perfection? How could a mortal imagine infinity? God is everything man cannot be, yet man strives to mould himself in the likeness of God, to become like and greater than the most high. Those who have placed themselves above God deny the existence thereof, just as the mighty Satan defied God, so shall men who worship themselves be cut off from his kingdom.


And I wouldn't say 'violent towards life', more like 'chaotic'.

Man doesn't have to understand the definition of perfection. Just have (and that is easy to do) to understand and see imperfection all around us.

All you gotta do is look at all the imperfection around to see that even imperfection acts perfectly. Of course, if it didn't exist, then you could say that it didn't act at all.

Cool

So the death of my grand father by cancer was a "perfect imperfection" that's what you're telling me?

I'm not necessarily telling you anything.

What part of your grandfather's death by cancer operated outside of the laws of nature? None of it. All the laws of nature acted perfectly.

Cool

If all laws of nature acted perfectly and god was not responsible for them what is the need for a god? And if god is responsible, then I refer you to valta4065's comment.

The laws of nature act perfectly BECAUSE God is responsible for them. Here's how it worked and works yet today.

God made the laws of nature and set everything into being.

Among the laws of nature existed the ability of mankind to freely act against God, which, if mankind did it, would destroy nature and the universe... built right into the laws of nature.

Mankind DID turn against God, and nature was in the process of being destroyed almost instantly.

God didn't make nature and people for nothing. He had purpose. Part of the purpose was that people were and are the objects of God's love. Nature was part of God's gifts to us.

God realized that people didn't understand how foolish and stupid they were being by turning against Him, so He stopped the destruction by sending His Son, Jesus, to take the punishment for all people for turning against God. The work that Jesus did on the cross, actually upheld the universe and the laws of nature right from the beginning times when mankind turned against God.

God also gave mankind the thing that they asked for by their turning against God. This thing is death, and all the pains and problems that people have in life which culminate in death.

All of it operates perfectly, in a perfect nature, according to perfect natural laws. God is perfectly giving people the thing the formally asked for > death. God is giving people the thing that they thought they were asking for > better life. God is preparing a better life for those who are not against Him, in the coming resurrection.

Wake up and turn to God so that you are not permanently destroyed by your adamant obstinance in remaining against God.

Cool
legendary
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February 29, 2016, 06:20:38 AM
Any proof of existence of anything relies on prior assumptions, the seeming least of all is that we exist such that we can observe.
There is no definitive proof of anything that is not reliant on our subjective reality.

Scientific objectivity relies on this too, it cannot exist without our subjective acceptance. Any claims that reality exists independent of us is unprovable.

Yeah and what? We don't ask for absolute proof of God, of course it's impossible to get. We ask for a logical proof based on logical assumptions...

Except that cause and effect are upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. And this means that everything is pre-programmed to exist the way it does. And since the laws of entropy show us that everything is dispersing and diffusing, this means that complexity is diminishing. All of this means that whoever programmed the universe into being by cause and effect, is way more intelligent than people are... way more intelligent beyond understanding. This Intelligence (Which, obviously, is at least somewhat alien to us) fits our dictionary definitions of "God."

Science and logic prove that God exists, even if you don't like it.

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February 29, 2016, 06:19:06 AM
Universe is not a perfect system.  It is actually very violent and very hostile to life.
How does an imperfect being such as a human begin to understand the definition of perfection? How could a mortal imagine infinity? God is everything man cannot be, yet man strives to mould himself in the likeness of God, to become like and greater than the most high. Those who have placed themselves above God deny the existence thereof, just as the mighty Satan defied God, so shall men who worship themselves be cut off from his kingdom.


And I wouldn't say 'violent towards life', more like 'chaotic'.

Man doesn't have to understand the definition of perfection. Just have (and that is easy to do) to understand and see imperfection all around us.

All you gotta do is look at all the imperfection around to see that even imperfection acts perfectly. Of course, if it didn't exist, then you could say that it didn't act at all.

Cool

So the death of my grand father by cancer was a "perfect imperfection" that's what you're telling me?

I'm not necessarily telling you anything.

What part of your grandfather's death by cancer operated outside of the laws of nature? None of it. All the laws of nature acted perfectly.

Cool

If all laws of nature acted perfectly and god was not responsible for them what is the need for a god? And if god is responsible, then I refer you to valta4065's comment.
legendary
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February 29, 2016, 06:14:00 AM
Universe is not a perfect system.  It is actually very violent and very hostile to life.
How does an imperfect being such as a human begin to understand the definition of perfection? How could a mortal imagine infinity? God is everything man cannot be, yet man strives to mould himself in the likeness of God, to become like and greater than the most high. Those who have placed themselves above God deny the existence thereof, just as the mighty Satan defied God, so shall men who worship themselves be cut off from his kingdom.


And I wouldn't say 'violent towards life', more like 'chaotic'.

Man doesn't have to understand the definition of perfection. Just have (and that is easy to do) to understand and see imperfection all around us.

All you gotta do is look at all the imperfection around to see that even imperfection acts perfectly. Of course, if it didn't exist, then you could say that it didn't act at all.

Cool

So the death of my grand father by cancer was a "perfect imperfection" that's what you're telling me?

I'm not necessarily telling you anything.

What part of your grandfather's death by cancer operated outside of the laws of nature? None of it. All the laws of nature acted perfectly.

Cool
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February 29, 2016, 03:53:09 AM
Any proof of existence of anything relies on prior assumptions, the seeming least of all is that we exist such that we can observe.
There is no definitive proof of anything that is not reliant on our subjective reality.

Scientific objectivity relies on this too, it cannot exist without our subjective acceptance. Any claims that reality exists independent of us is unprovable.

Yeah and what? We don't ask for absolute proof of God, of course it's impossible to get. We ask for a logical proof based on logical assumptions...
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February 29, 2016, 03:50:37 AM
Universe is not a perfect system.  It is actually very violent and very hostile to life.
How does an imperfect being such as a human begin to understand the definition of perfection? How could a mortal imagine infinity? God is everything man cannot be, yet man strives to mould himself in the likeness of God, to become like and greater than the most high. Those who have placed themselves above God deny the existence thereof, just as the mighty Satan defied God, so shall men who worship themselves be cut off from his kingdom.


And I wouldn't say 'violent towards life', more like 'chaotic'.

Man doesn't have to understand the definition of perfection. Just have (and that is easy to do) to understand and see imperfection all around us.

All you gotta do is look at all the imperfection around to see that even imperfection acts perfectly. Of course, if it didn't exist, then you could say that it didn't act at all.

Cool

So the death of my grand father by cancer was a "perfect imperfection" that's what you're telling me?
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February 28, 2016, 11:39:08 PM
Any proof of existence of anything relies on prior assumptions, the seeming least of all is that we exist such that we can observe.
There is no definitive proof of anything that is not reliant on our subjective reality.

Scientific objectivity relies on this too, it cannot exist without our subjective acceptance. Any claims that reality exists independent of us is unprovable.

I wonder what the Baysian prior distribution for probability of a god is?

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February 28, 2016, 10:49:54 PM
Any proof of existence of anything relies on prior assumptions, the seeming least of all is that we exist such that we can observe.
There is no definitive proof of anything that is not reliant on our subjective reality.

Scientific objectivity relies on this too, it cannot exist without our subjective acceptance. Any claims that reality exists independent of us is unprovable.
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February 28, 2016, 08:33:53 PM
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There are amongst us a group of people who believe that while there is no proof that God exists, there also is no proof that He doesn't exist.

Non-existence does not need a proof, you morons. It is the position by default. If you claim that some shit exists, you have to provide the proof. You don't have the proof? Then fuck off.


What's the matter? somebody hurt your itty bitty feelings?

Look at all the things that are in existence around us and everywhere. Then prove that non-existence is the norm by default. Of course, the closest you can come to that is by committing suicide, but then you won't be able to see that it is proven to anyone.

Cool

You have a proof of fucking god? No? Fuck off.

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February 28, 2016, 06:09:25 PM
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There are amongst us a group of people who believe that while there is no proof that God exists, there also is no proof that He doesn't exist.

Non-existence does not need a proof, you morons. It is the position by default. If you claim that some shit exists, you have to provide the proof. You don't have the proof? Then fuck off.


What's the matter? somebody hurt your itty bitty feelings?

Look at all the things that are in existence around us and everywhere. Then prove that non-existence is the norm by default. Of course, the closest you can come to that is by committing suicide, but then you won't be able to see that it is proven to anyone.

Cool

You have a proof of fucking god? No? Fuck off.


No, science has it. Can't help it if you don't want to look or understand.    Cool
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