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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on November 16, 2023, 09:35:33 AM

Quote from: sompitonov on November 16, 2023, 08:37:17 AM

True, but there is a very fine line between these two things. If you play for fun, then at one point, after another loss, you will want to win back. It will be followed by another loss, and after several in a row a person may explode and start betting like a monkey on other sports that he has never watched. It is important not to break this thin ice. There is even such an expression: you can behave like a monkey in gambling, but come out of it only as a human. I don't want to hurt the feelings of some players, but I think this is a true statement.

You are right, but I still insist that gambling for fun remains gambling for fun, whoever used to gamble for fun and after some time, turns around to become addicted out of chasing for money, then it simply means that such a person never indeed made up their mind to only gamble for fun.

Using myself as an example, I've been gambling for a couple of years now, I've never taken gambling to heart to want to ever chase after my loses, I have in a couple of times made mistakes and lost money i never intended losing, and after feeling down for some time, I pick up myself and keep moving, I never allowed such a loss to be a reason for me to want to start range gambling in a bid to recover my lost money.

This is what I mean by gambling for fun, someone who has made up their mind to gamble for fun will always stay true to this course no matter how much they lost in the process of gambling.

This can be deceiving at first glance. In gambling it is better to never say the word “never”. Surely there are players who also thought that everything was for fun, and then there was a click in the head or something triggered (this could be failures in life or increased stress at work or in a relationship with your wife). I still continue to listen to interviews with gamblers and never cease to be amazed at this fine line and the frivolity of how they decided to bet everything on their lives.

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Quote from: leonair on November 16, 2023, 12:13:33 PM

Winning or losing in gambling makes us panic. If we win in gambling, we think that we can win more if we play more. If we lose, we panic and deposit again and think that this loss will be recovered. This is how gambling cannot be stopped. Quitting gambling is very difficult for a gambler. It is much easier to start gambling than it is to quit gambling. I have seen very few people who have been able to quit gambling once they started gambling. Gambling addiction is a very bad addiction, it destroys human intelligence

Imo, instead of "destroying humans intelligence" it instead triggers human brain to create new and new methods to recover losses and where to get extra money for gambling. Addicted gamblers dont become dumber, instead they became creative in search for new money, because simple asking other for a loan might no longer work. Their brain work on 100% and with time such people burn, became broke and crazy.

You are wrong, gambling addiction destroys the brain, if you don't know, you should know now.
Anybody in their normal self can think, come up with healthy ideas of what they can do to make money, like a business, a job or anything that is completely legitimate.

But a gambling addict, who is short of money to gamble can never come up with a legitimate way means of making money, rather, they will think of ways to make really quick money so they can bet on the next game, which is what drives many of such people into stealing from other people, this in a sane society can not be considered as a method of recovery, but a method of further destruction.

And yes, addicted gamblers becomes dumber by each and every passing day, since they no longer think of anything else, aside from gambling, being addicted to gambling is not something anybody involved should be proud of, for it completely destroys.

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Quote from: maydna on November 16, 2023, 10:51:31 AM

Quote from: len01 on November 16, 2023, 08:18:10 AM

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He will see how much effort his family put in to help him cure his gambling addiction, and he will tell himself that he can definitely do it because he has the support of his family. Help from his family will be a good encouragement for him and can convince him that what he is doing now is for his recovery from gambling addiction. That will make him try every therapy he gets so he can see how far he has progressed. He believes that his family really supports him in healing himself from his gambling addiction so that he can still undergo his healing therapy. He will be strong enough to survive all the therapy sessions because in his mind, he has been replaced by his family, and he just wants to show his family that he is capable of getting out and healing himself from his gambling addiction.

yep, you managed to understand what I said and all this is just about how the family tries and how the gambler tries to recover from his addiction and if he has a strong desire he will continue to respect whatever his family suggests and I remember a closer example of a friend I was addicted to drugs and in prison when he was released from prison he realized his bad habit of using drugs and finally he had a commitment to recover and told his family to help cure his addiction and asked his family for help if he did the wrong thing and had to be reminded.

In the scenario that I am telling you, this could be an example for gambling addicts. If they already have the awareness to stop their addiction, it would be better to ask for help from the family, tell me honestly and I am quite sure that no matter how bad it is, the family will be happy to provide help.

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Quote from: leonair on November 16, 2023, 12:13:33 PM

Winning or losing in gambling makes us panic. If we win in gambling, we think that we can win more if we play more. If we lose, we panic and deposit again and think that this loss will be recovered. This is how gambling cannot be stopped. Quitting gambling is very difficult for a gambler. It is much easier to start gambling than it is to quit gambling. I have seen very few people who have been able to quit gambling once they started gambling. Gambling addiction is a very bad addiction, it destroys human intelligence

Imo, instead of "destroying humans intelligence" it instead triggers human brain to create new and new methods to recover losses and where to get extra money for gambling. Addicted gamblers dont become dumber, instead they became creative in search for new money, because simple asking other for a loan might no longer work. Their brain work on 100% and with time such people burn, became broke and crazy.

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If a gambler gets too addicted to gambling then he should quit gambling at that time but if we can keep our control over gambling and keep our profit and loss then I don't think gambling is harmful for us. I am not addicted to gambling but choose gambling only as a fun and alternative site for income. Since most of the gambling has a high profit margin for me, I am not deciding to quit gambling at the moment.
I will stop gambling when it feels wrong to me but I still don't think gambling is wrong so I will continue to gamble. I would advise those who need to borrow money from others to gamble to avoid gambling. Those who gamble with their earnings and who have control over their gambling can continue to gamble.

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 16, 2023, 02:12:20 PM

Any reaction that you take will affect the next decision making that you\'ll going to take, like what you mentioned if we are in the winning side we will keep pushing to win more, while if we are in the losing side, we will try our luck to recover the money by adding more to our bankroll, those decision are being made after we experienced the adrenaline the lust inside you that will lead you to please that kind of enjoyment,

though if you get caught in the middle you will find yourself getting involved too much and you are starting to get addicted and the control is no longer available.

If we continue to indulge in gambling then we will not be able to manage the risks in gambling, the reactions of winning and losing as you mentioned above have an impact on behavior that is not recommended in gambling because if you win you will chase other wins and if you lose you will add more money to can recover losses on the next bet, if you always do these activities it will result in gambling addiction and the solution is to apply limits on the use of funds to limit gambling activities, if you are lucky to get a win or jackpot then it is better to stop betting to withdraw all the funds, if you bet again tomorrow then use funds according to the limit for daily gambling.

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Quote from: Zanab247 on November 16, 2023, 10:01:22 AM

I believe you know that to quit gambling is not an easy thing when you are addicted to it, but if you are not addicted to gambling, I guess is very easy to quit to face your business that is bringing you profits. Those that is gamble for income purpose, it make such gamblers not to make big money that will remove them from poverty because they take gambling as an investment you can invest today and have full confident of earn big money before the end of the week.

Since I started gamble as an entertainment with little money $5 or $4 daily, it has helped me to earn many profits from gambling and, am not addicted to it like the way some are addicted to it by using their monthly salary to gamble in a day and return back home with tears.

Just like I already mentioned in one of the thread that have a similar title to this one on how to exit gambling addictions and how it is better to avoid getting hit by addiction since getting out is not an easy task for the addicts but it is better to protect yourself from sliding into addictions at some point.

A lot of gamblers have become uncontrollably addicted and this has resulted in a lot of negative outcomes in their life and how they relate to their immediate environments, such that some have run bankrupt even though it could been easily avoided such outcome.

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Quote from: leonair on November 16, 2023, 12:13:33 PM

Quote from: Zanab247 on November 16, 2023, 10:01:22 AM

I believe you know that to quit gambling is not an easy thing when you are addicted to it, but if you are not addicted to gambling, I guess is very easy to quit to face your business that is bringing you profits. Those that is gamble for income purpose, it make such gamblers not to make big money that will remove them from poverty because they take gambling as an investment you can invest today and have full confident of earn big money before the end of the week.

Since I started gamble as an entertainment with little money $5 or $4 daily, it has helped me to earn many profits from gambling and, am not addicted to it like the way some are addicted to it by using their monthly salary to gamble in a day and return back home with tears.

Winning or losing in gambling makes us panic. If we win in gambling, we think that we can win more if we play more. If we lose, we panic and deposit again and think that this loss will be recovered. This is how gambling cannot be stopped. Quitting gambling is very difficult for a gambler. It is much easier to start gambling than it is to quit gambling. I have seen very few people who have been able to quit gambling once they started gambling. Gambling addiction is a very bad addiction, it destroys human intelligence

Any reaction that you take will affect the next decision making that you\'ll going to take, like what you mentioned if we are in the winning side we will keep pushing to win more, while if we are in the losing side, we will try our luck to recover the money by adding more to our bankroll, those decision are being made after we experienced the adrenaline the lust inside you that will lead you to please that kind of enjoyment,

though if you get caught in the middle you will find yourself getting involved too much and you are starting to get addicted and the control is no longer available.

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Quote from: Hispo on November 16, 2023, 11:54:31 AM

Quote from: Zanab247 on November 16, 2023, 10:01:22 AM

Since I started gamble as an entertainment with little money $5 or $4 daily, it has helped me to earn many profits from gambling and, am not addicted to it like the way some are addicted to it by using their monthly salary to gamble in a day and return back home with tears.

Since you decided to step down with the amount of your wager, I wonder if you could share with you whether it has also influenced on your tolerance to risk or the size of multipliers you aim to get with each session.
Do you still seek to get the same percentages like those before decreasing your wager or do you aim to way lower gains now?
In my case, since I also seek to keep my wager fairly low for a single session, I go for low multipliers, otherwise I could not prolong my session for how long as I want and I would need to logg out after a few minutes or a few dice rolls. Tongue

I think that setback is a better thing to do as an effective way of preventing you from always suffering from the same pressure as when you were overdoing it in the past. I think with that action then obviously their level of expectation in terms of getting a big win will definitely decrease, or I mean they will not put too much hope because the amount of their budget allocation is now smaller and with that I think they will also understand that the percentage of big wins is like very unlikely to get.

Now one of the actions so that we can enjoy gambling more in each session but with a small amount of budget then yes you have given a good way by lowering the multiplier in your bet, it's better because by lowering it then you will have a longer time to play because yes obviously the multiplier you choose is also quite small so that makes your gambling run long enough in one session. So the point is that we must be able to balance the amount of budget that we allocate with the level of multiplier that we must choose so that the game does not end quickly.

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Quote from: Zanab247 on November 16, 2023, 10:01:22 AM

I believe you know that to quit gambling is not an easy thing when you are addicted to it, but if you are not addicted to gambling, I guess is very easy to quit to face your business that is bringing you profits. Those that is gamble for income purpose, it make such gamblers not to make big money that will remove them from poverty because they take gambling as an investment you can invest today and have full confident of earn big money before the end of the week.

Since I started gamble as an entertainment with little money $5 or $4 daily, it has helped me to earn many profits from gambling and, am not addicted to it like the way some are addicted to it by using their monthly salary to gamble in a day and return back home with tears.

Winning or losing in gambling makes us panic. If we win in gambling, we think that we can win more if we play more. If we lose, we panic and deposit again and think that this loss will be recovered. This is how gambling cannot be stopped. Quitting gambling is very difficult for a gambler. It is much easier to start gambling than it is to quit gambling. I have seen very few people who have been able to quit gambling once they started gambling. Gambling addiction is a very bad addiction, it destroys human intelligence

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Quote from: Zanab247 on November 16, 2023, 10:01:22 AM

Since I started gamble as an entertainment with little money $5 or $4 daily, it has helped me to earn many profits from gambling and, am not addicted to it like the way some are addicted to it by using their monthly salary to gamble in a day and return back home with tears.

Since you decided to step down with the amount of your wager, I wonder if you could share with you whether it has also influenced on your tolerance to risk or the size of multipliers you aim to get with each session.
Do you still seek to get the same percentages like those before decreasing your wager or do you aim to way lower gains now?
In my case, since I also seek to keep my wager fairly low for a single session, I go for low multipliers, otherwise I could not prolong my session for how long as I want and I would need to logg out after a few minutes or a few dice rolls. Tongue

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Quote from: len01 on November 16, 2023, 08:18:10 AM

Quote from: maydna on November 15, 2023, 08:21:05 AM

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an approach with the family will not only give the spirit of self confidence to recover from addiction but also as brain therapy indirectly eliminates dopamine in him to look more towards his family who feel sorry for helping him to recover so that every desire to gamble arises because of encouragement of the dopamine hormone when remembering his family he will stop thinking about gambling and choose to value his family thereby making a little easier for the compulsive gambler to quit gambling.

He will see how much effort his family put in to help him cure his gambling addiction, and he will tell himself that he can definitely do it because he has the support of his family. Help from his family will be a good encouragement for him and can convince him that what he is doing now is for his recovery from gambling addiction. That will make him try every therapy he gets so he can see how far he has progressed. He believes that his family really supports him in healing himself from his gambling addiction so that he can still undergo his healing therapy. He will be strong enough to survive all the therapy sessions because in his mind, he has been replaced by his family, and he just wants to show his family that he is capable of getting out and healing himself from his gambling addiction.

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I believe you know that to quit gambling is not an easy thing when you are addicted to it, but if you are not addicted to gambling, I guess is very easy to quit to face your business that is bringing you profits. Those that is gamble for income purpose, it make such gamblers not to make big money that will remove them from poverty because they take gambling as an investment you can invest today and have full confident of earn big money before the end of the week.

Since I started gamble as an entertainment with little money $5 or $4 daily, it has helped me to earn many profits from gambling and, am not addicted to it like the way some are addicted to it by using their monthly salary to gamble in a day and return back home with tears.

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Quote from: sompitonov on November 16, 2023, 08:37:17 AM

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Quote from: GideonGono on November 14, 2023, 09:15:18 PM

It would depend on how addicted the person is, if they are very addicted to it that it is on their mind most of the time then it would really be hard for them to quit, but if they are just playing for fun then they could just seek for other things that would fill up their needs or entertainment.
Quitting on something not just gambling would take time and effort and of course consistency, so it would all end up on the person's dedication.

Someone who is gambling for fun is probably not addicted, addiction comes with obsession for something, and for gamblers, it's money, money is always the drive of every gambler who is addicted or end up being addicted to gambling.

So, in the nutshell, gambling for fun alone does not probably make a gambler become addicted to gambling, it is the chase for money that drives and causes gambling addiction, and you are right about the level.
The level of addiction plays a roll in how easy or hard it wil be for a gambler to quit and come out of his or her addiction, some when they discover that they are addicted, they can easily turn back and quit it easily, while for others, they may require external help to come of it, like medical or psychological help or something similar.

True, but there is a very fine line between these two things. If you play for fun, then at one point, after another loss, you will want to win back. It will be followed by another loss, and after several in a row a person may explode and start betting like a monkey on other sports that he has never watched. It is important not to break this thin ice. There is even such an expression: you can behave like a monkey in gambling, but come out of it only as a human. I don't want to hurt the feelings of some players, but I think this is a true statement.

You are right, but I still insist that gambling for fun remains gambling for fun, whoever used to gamble for fun and after some time, turns around to become addicted out of chasing for money, then it simply means that such a person never indeed made up their mind to only gamble for fun.

Using myself as an example, I've been gambling for a couple of years now, I've never taken gambling to heart to want to ever chase after my loses, I have in a couple of times made mistakes and lost money i never intended losing, and after feeling down for some time, I pick up myself and keep moving, I never allowed such a loss to be a reason for me to want to start range gambling in a bid to recover my lost money.

This is what I mean by gambling for fun, someone who has made up their mind to gamble for fun will always stay true to this course no matter how much they lost in the process of gambling.

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Quote from: GideonGono on November 14, 2023, 09:15:18 PM

It would depend on how addicted the person is, if they are very addicted to it that it is on their mind most of the time then it would really be hard for them to quit, but if they are just playing for fun then they could just seek for other things that would fill up their needs or entertainment.
Quitting on something not just gambling would take time and effort and of course consistency, so it would all end up on the person's dedication.

Someone who is gambling for fun is probably not addicted, addiction comes with obsession for something, and for gamblers, it's money, money is always the drive of every gambler who is addicted or end up being addicted to gambling.

So, in the nutshell, gambling for fun alone does not probably make a gambler become addicted to gambling, it is the chase for money that drives and causes gambling addiction, and you are right about the level.
The level of addiction plays a roll in how easy or hard it wil be for a gambler to quit and come out of his or her addiction, some when they discover that they are addicted, they can easily turn back and quit it easily, while for others, they may require external help to come of it, like medical or psychological help or something similar.

True, but there is a very fine line between these two things. If you play for fun, then at one point, after another loss, you will want to win back. It will be followed by another loss, and after several in a row a person may explode and start betting like a monkey on other sports that he has never watched. It is important not to break this thin ice. There is even such an expression: you can behave like a monkey in gambling, but come out of it only as a human. I don't want to hurt the feelings of some players, but I think this is a true statement.

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Quote from: GideonGono on November 14, 2023, 09:15:18 PM

It would depend on how addicted the person is, if they are very addicted to it that it is on their mind most of the time then it would really be hard for them to quit, but if they are just playing for fun then they could just seek for other things that would fill up their needs or entertainment.
Quitting on something not just gambling would take time and effort and of course consistency, so it would all end up on the person's dedication.

Someone who is gambling for fun is probably not addicted, addiction comes with obsession for something, and for gamblers, it's money, money is always the drive of every gambler who is addicted or end up being addicted to gambling.

So, in the nutshell, gambling for fun alone does not probably make a gambler become addicted to gambling, it is the chase for money that drives and causes gambling addiction, and you are right about the level.
The level of addiction plays a roll in how easy or hard it wil be for a gambler to quit and come out of his or her addiction, some when they discover that they are addicted, they can easily turn back and quit it easily, while for others, they may require external help to come of it, like medical or psychological help or something similar.

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Quote from: South Park on November 14, 2023, 03:15:47 PM

Quote from: Wakate on November 08, 2023, 01:38:29 PM

when an effected gambler that is addicted with excessive gambling and does not want to stop or reduce the way they gamble, it is always better for people to leave the person alone for them to continue gambling because no matter how hard we try to help the person, the affect gambler might not know the worth. Anybody that is ready to change from being an addicted gambler to being a normal gambler, just little effort from people to help him would work and have a great effect on them. This is why we don't have to force people to stop the lifestyle of excessive gambling if they don't have to adhere to instructions.

It is true we can only help those that want to help themselves, and this is true not only in gambling but in life in general, we see this here when a newbie comes to this forum and wants to invest in a coin that is an obvious scam and forum members try to help them out and suggest they do not do it, but since those newbies believe this is the way to make a lot of money they refuse to listen the advice that we give them, only to lose their investment and come to the forum to tell the story of their failure.

If someone is really hooked on gambling and doesn't want help, it's often better to let them be.
They might not realize the value of assistance. On the other hand, if someone wants to change and gamble more responsibly, even a little support can make a big difference.
That's why it's important not to force people to quit gambling unless they're ready to listen. or come to us after learning the lesson hard way.

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Quote from: maydna on November 15, 2023, 08:21:05 AM

Quote from: len01 on November 08, 2023, 01:04:54 PM

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The approach taken by his family can be carried out as long as they can find an approach that is suitable for him in treating his gambling addiction. The approach from his family can encourage a gambling addict to see that his family still supports him in being able to cure his gambling addiction and is still with him in every therapy session. Maybe it will give him a quicker time than usual because the encouragement and encouragement from his family can show the gambling addict that he is not alone.

So we should be really careful when gambling, especially if we hide our gambling activities so that no problems will arise after we finish gambling. We also don't want to worry our family if they end up finding out that we are gambling. Maybe it would be better if we really reduce our gambling activities and try to live it as well as possible until we can finally stop gambling.

an approach with the family will not only give the spirit of self confidence to recover from addiction but also as brain therapy indirectly eliminates dopamine in him to look more towards his family who feel sorry for helping him to recover so that every desire to gamble arises because of encouragement of the dopamine hormone when remembering his family he will stop thinking about gambling and choose to value his family thereby making a little easier for the compulsive gambler to quit gambling.

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Even when they have run out of money they can take out loans or worse, they can commit crimes that harm them and can even harm them. It is true that you said they will realize after losing money and all their valuable assets such as houses or whatever they have, it is difficult for them to accept advice from others who try to help them get rid of the addiction. But it's a fact and most of them are like that.

And I think those who have tried to quit will also be easily tempted again if they don't have a strong stance and commitment like you said, Even they can undo their intention to stop gambling because they see their friends who get big wins that all gamblers want, So does commitment play an important role in this? or is there something else?
I think there are many other important things and everyone also seems to know the important things related to quitting gambling.

yep, sure. commitment is always an important role but it will not be strong without a healthy mindset as I said before. If you have self control, commitment and any positive things without a healthy mindset you can definitely still be tempted to gamble but if you have a healthy mindset like thinking that gambling is just a place of fun that will throw money or think about how gambling works which only benefits the gambling party.
with a mindset like this, it will definitely be very easy to hold tightly to the commitments we have planned.

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Quote from: Wakate on November 15, 2023, 08:44:44 AM

Quote from: South Park on November 14, 2023, 03:15:47 PM

Quote from: Wakate on November 08, 2023, 01:38:29 PM

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That is a compete tragedy of life and we need to make sure that we don't get deceive because we want to make.more money from different investment. A lot had cried and lost everything through the simple scenerio you just illustrated. There are people that don't listen to anyone opinion even when they ask for advise. They mostly feel like they are okay and knows everything but when they finally got deceived, they will come back crying for their loses not for the mistake they made and ready to make a new leave.

There are also people that listen to other people's opinions based on their state of emotions, they mostly allow emotions to eat them up and they can only take your suggestions when they have made the worse mistake and ready to make adjustments because of their loses.

Sometimes beginners are people who don't really care about risks, in fact they tend not to care much about other people conversations or suggestions because they have trust and confidence in what they see can bring profits.
Incidents like this do not only happen among traders or investors but also in the gambling industry where beginner enters scam site because of tempting promotion and when we try to help by giving advice they don't care.
But in the end these people become victims of what is called fraud and deception by certain irresponsible parties and they only regret or believe in us when something bad happens.

In an effort to stop these detrimental activities, they also need something called bitter experience or real regret due to the loss of all the valuable assets they own.
Gamblers, traders and investors must always be careful and have a lot of consideration in every decision so they can determine what is good and bad for themselves in the future.

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Quote from: South Park on November 14, 2023, 03:15:47 PM

Quote from: Wakate on November 08, 2023, 01:38:29 PM

when an effected gambler that is addicted with excessive gambling and does not want to stop or reduce the way they gamble, it is always better for people to leave the person alone for them to continue gambling because no matter how hard we try to help the person, the affect gambler might not know the worth. Anybody that is ready to change from being an addicted gambler to being a normal gambler, just little effort from people to help him would work and have a great effect on them. This is why we don't have to force people to stop the lifestyle of excessive gambling if they don't have to adhere to instructions.

It is true we can only help those that want to help themselves, and this is true not only in gambling but in life in general, we see this here when a newbie comes to this forum and wants to invest in a coin that is an obvious scam and forum members try to help them out and suggest they do not do it, but since those newbies believe this is the way to make a lot of money they refuse to listen the advice that we give them, only to lose their investment and come to the forum to tell the story of their failure.

For someone to truly abandon a harmful habit like gambling addiction, it has to truly start with accepting that the habit is not good for him and making that decision to stop. Because I gambler that sees nothing wrong with his addiction will be very hard to convince to stop, let alone accept to be rehabilitated. You know the saying that you can force a horse to a stream, but you can't force the horse to drink from the stream. So without the willingness of the gambler it's all labor in vain for the helper, so if every efforts to rehabilitated fails, there'll be no choice but to leave the addict in his own world.

On the other hand we can encourage an addict to gamble responsibly, because gambling in it self is not bad, in fact its an activity to engage in for fun, with budgeted money, but the gambler must apply strict discipline.

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