Topic: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. - page 20. (Read 10434 times)

Is it realistic? Gambling fundamentally alters our reward systems. Can we trust ourselves to control our impulses? Family disappointment - isnt the core issue deeper? Gambling entraps people psychologically, not letting them down. Your argument relies on the idea that one can maintain control in a hostile environment. This is a risky gamble.

Gambling "for pleasure" is an oxymoron when stakes are high and losses are certain. Self-control without a net is like walking a tightrope. Shouldnt we ask why we gamble and address the needs it falsely promises to meet?

quiting gambling is both easy and hard, it deends on who is involved and the features the person is endowed with.

For a disciplined man, when he says I'm quiting a thing, he formats his mind to that decision and works towards it.

I'll gve an example: When I want to do away with a thing, firstly, I start looking for the flaws in that thing and S start telling myself a thousand and one reasons why I should dislike it and not indulge anymore, I start creating a world full of resentment around the experiences and memories I have on that thing and in a matter of months, I'm done with it. Although flashes of memories will surface sometimes but my resolve on it is final. Then when I face it, it looks like conquering it is easy.

For someone who isn't as strong-willed and disciplined as supposed, he or she might need therapy to help him cope, in such cases, it can be termed hard.

Play wisely and it will help not to engage that much, and with knowledge you will be able to stop yourself when you feel that you are doing it the wrong way, without control you will play things aggresively and it will lead you to an addiction where you can possibly lose a lot of your money instead of a fix amount for gambling, you may add more.


Not chasing anything and just play as you enjoy it and the rest if ever chances let you win from your gambling, it's bonus but better to treat the deposit amount as a fee for your entertainment and if you lose just move on and forget about chasing anything to recover.

Gambling responsibly, by paying attention to other things that are more important than gambling. do not let just gambling harm many things such as time and health, gambling naturally without overdoing it so it will not become addictive, playing at the right time so that you can enjoy the game and also pay attention to your own health, do not get sick because only because of playing gambling that interferes with our rest time. If only for once in a while it doesn't matter but if you make it a habit it is highly discouraged, gambling that has its own impact should not be added by playing it during sleeping hours.

But there are indeed people who play like that, by playing gambling in the middle of the night because they take the peace that exists, only sooner or later their health will be damaged because of the impact of lack of sleep or rest. This is also not a little done by people, many do it, but whatever because it's their own choice. They also have their own thoughts, so they can think which is good and not good for them. although it is difficult to rise from adversity, but they really have to do it in order to change their lives for the better, because their future is unlikely to be spent gambling alone. if they really want wealth they have to work hard to achieve a decent life, not by gambling which is made their main income in life.

If the addiction to gambling or drugs is also fatal, what is damaged is not physical but their thinking, so they have to meet other people to ask for advice and input, if it still doesn't work because the addiction is severe, maybe they should meet with a psychological expert because healing the mind is not as easy as healing physical wounds, their mentality that is also damaged will have a bad impact on others, by changing their attitude to become more aggressive and maybe they can commit unintentional acts of violence when they are being advised by others or their families. It can be said that people who are already addicted will not realize that they are addicted, even addictions like this usually hide it because they are embarrassed if other people find out not to mention the family that if they know this bad habit there may be conflict between the family and the addicted person, Where we know that addicted people tend not to want to lose because they are hypnotized by the things they always do which according to themselves it has become their personal needs, just like drugs, as you said "taking a drug addict to a rehabilitation center" the process of healing this addiction will be painful or torturous for the addict, but if he himself wants to recover then he must undergo it even if it tortures themselves. No one else can help them but themselves who determine their future, it is impossible for those who are adults or even have a family to still depend on their parents.

All problems must have a way out, it's just that the rest depends on themselves who will determine the future. If they are already aware of the things they are doing that are detrimental to themselves then they can realize it even though the chances are very small. As much as possible they should be able to get through it because it is also for their own good not for others, because it is impossible if they are still addicted to old age. unless they have a large fixed income then they can do gambling until old age because of their inexhaustible income. it is not necessary to be at the lowest point to get enlightenment, but if those who are addicted to it have a stubborn nature, how? I think even people who support him will feel annoyed by advising him if he himself has not changed at all, with his awareness it is difficult in the sense of stubbornness, maybe people also who support his recovery will let him go because they feel they have wasted time advising him but there is no change made.

You said something backwards "They also don't need to be at their lowest point to gain enlightenment. Most of them need to experience falling to the lowest point in order for them to gain enlightenment" I don't understand this sentence of yours, you say "don't need to" but the next sentence you say "they need to" even though in that one sentence the one goal is enlightenment, it's just that your second sentence has the word "fall" which distinguishes it from the first sentence.

To start a new life, they must make a total recovery and that is not easy to do, in the process it is hard and will even torture themselves and that is what they have to face if they want a new clean life. By starting a new life without gambling or drug addiction, it will make their lives calmer every day without feeling the anxiety of gambling.

That is why we must be able to learn self-control so that we can actually use it every time we gamble to protect us from excessive gambling. By having good self-control, we will not fail in refusing or stopping the gambling we have done. And with that self-control, we will not experience serious problems such as gambling addiction, and we will also not disappoint our families because we are still fine. Our family will not be willing to see a family member become addicted to gambling, and they will probably do everything they can to cure us if we experience a gambling addiction. That's why we have to really pay attention to this issue of self-control if we still want to gamble as usual and not let ourselves lose self-control because that could have bad consequences for our lives.

Those of us who have been gambling for some time certainly realize that we must be able to have self-control and also strong intentions and determination that we only gamble for pleasure. We also don't gamble too often because we already know what the impact will be, so we really take care of ourselves so that we don't experience the bad effects.

We are people who must be very doable in doing any activity, we are people who have to make decisions, and not do too much to be able to have good results, so for this we must be very intelligent, and to be intelligent we have to have control and know how to play, in fact one of the things that stake.co has as its motto is to play intelligently and that is what we should do in any place, for that we must always have our own rules, the rules, the most basic for me is simple, leave money ready to lose and when we have large enough winnings, don't play anymore and retire, it's simple, if the money you are ready to lose is lost, you should assume that loss and not chase the losses, I have seen many threads that talk about addiction, about chasing losses and that is something that worries me, that makes me understand that many players do not control themselves.

When we do not control ourselves and we can start to lose more than we should, we must be aware of something, that we are not pursuing losses and that there are no addiction problems, that is what we must always consider, if other intelligent people do not fall into addiction, if We are intelligent people, all we have to do is take care of our money, 'because as I have said many times, without money the party is over, so it is better to keep our money, continue living our normal lives, without losing friends, without going into debt. , without losing family and without reaching those cases where people decide to take their own lives just because they do not know how to control it, that is something that we must see very clearly, that is why we must always undertake to do things well and in an orderly manner in a casino, so as not to lose things, I am one of those who think that money is everything in a casino when it comes to deciding whether you are a good or bad player.

Everyone has self-control over every activity they do, but not everyone knows how to maintain this control because most people fail to maintain control over themselves.
We understand that the role of the family is very important and meaningful in every effort to help solve problems or resolve cases of gambling addiction that we are experiencing, but are we willing to see our families disappointed by what we do?
It seems like you, me or even none of us are willing to see this and of course we will only hope that our family knows about the good we are doing instead of telling them about our gambling activities.
We gamble according to our own wishes so we must be able to take responsibility for all the impacts and risks of gambling without making it difficult for other people, including family.

It all depends on intention, determination and also the awareness that one must recover, one must be able to become better person and improve all forms of detrimental activities.
With all this, he can heal on his own, but only time can determine how fast or slow the healing process will be.

It seems not because not all gamblers have families who also agree or even like gambling.
I have large family and among this large family, which consists of dozens of adult men, there are only three people who like to gamble and gamble according to their individual wishes without disturbing each other.
And from this it can be concluded that what you say is not completely true.

That means we have to start caring more about our health so that we don't experience problems. By maintaining health, being able to gamble responsibly, and having self-control, we can be free from any pressure, and we won't even think about recovering from losses because we already know that it is difficult to win. If we keep trying, we might lose more money than we can afford to use for gambling. Playing gambling for too long will clearly harm our health, not only physical health but also mental health where this mental health will affect our mindset, so that we will not know when to stop gambling because we only think about gambling. The key for gambling addicts who want to heal themselves is to have strong intentions and determination that can help them rise from adversity and be able to undergo all the healing sessions so that they can slowly start to heal themselves and see the opportunity to recover from gambling addiction. This strong intention and determination will become stronger when the gambling addict sees that his family is accompanying him during the healing period for his gambling addiction so that he does not feel alone and lonely. This is important for gambling addicts because having someone accompany them through their healing sessions can encourage them to be able to complete each session.


That is why any addiction can have a bad impact on ourselves and the people around us, and they may experience a worse impact than the person who is addicted. They will not know anything about people who are addicted, how to find a solution, what they should do in the beginning, and so on. They have to keep themselves busy looking for more information about gambling addiction and also meeting several people who are thought to be able to help them cure people who are addicted to gambling. We probably won't know what the difference is between gambling and drug addiction. Even people who are addicted might not realize it because they are excessive users. Maybe if that's the case, his family needs to take him to a rehabilitation center so that people who are addicted to gambling can be treated using better methods. It's like taking a drug addict to a rehabilitation center for drug addicts, and they have to stay in the rehabilitation center to undergo treatment. Maybe they will be taught how to reduce their gambling addiction by doing things that can benefit them and can start to divert their attention to gambling. And there are other things that they have to follow because those are the procedures that rehabilitation centers have to cure people who are addicted to gambling.

As long as there is an intention and desire, there must be a way, and as long as gambling addicts realize that they have made a fatal mistake to the point of making their life a mess and want to fix it, they will definitely get their way. It may take time to find the way. But with help from the people around them and also regularly visiting the rehabilitation center or even staying overnight at the rehabilitation center, they will find a suitable method to use that will speed up the process of healing their gambling addiction. The important thing is that gambling addicts do not feel that it is a burden and can live with it happily because it is a mistake they have made, and they want to cure their gambling addiction immediately. Maybe they can do regular exercise outside while breathing fresh air every morning or evening and also make another schedule that can be done regularly so that he won't be able to think about gambling like he did before. They also don't need to be at their lowest point to gain enlightenment. Most of them need to experience falling to their lowest point so that they can gain enlightenment about the mistakes they have made, gain awareness, and develop the desire to start changing their lives for the better.

As you said, they just have to have good self-control, by limiting gambling activities that have a dangerous impact, and also try to limit gambling, not to lose a lot of other things, such as time, for example as you said playing when everyone is asleep, that's true. But it needs to be underlined that if you do gambling activities like that too often, your sleep time or hours will be disturbed and of course this will affect our own health. And the main thing is money, as much as possible they should be able to limit gambling, by not chasing a win that is not clear that it will be easy to get and even then usually people tend to spend more money on gambling than other important things.
That's the first thing, because in my opinion even if they have their family and friends who support them to stop gambling, it will be difficult if they themselves do not have strong determination and intention, because the key is in themselves who will determine everything. As you said, even if they don't have people accompanying them in recovery, I also think they will be able to carry out the recovery well because of the strong intention and determination they have, and they must also be consistent in terms of gambling recovery. With the support of other people such as family or friends, it only needs to be used as motivation that the addicted person can leave the bad habit, and they must prove it until it is completed perfectly.

The reason gambling is not seen as a good thing is because, it has an impact that will harm someone when they have experienced gambling addiction, not much different from drug addiction. So naturally this has a bad view in all people or society. because the impact that occurs is difficult to hide, therefore it is likely that the impact will be very visible to many people around it and it is difficult to cure it as you said, because it can be said to be almost equivalent to drug addiction where if to quit the addiction it must go through a rehabilitation phase which is very difficult for addicts to do. And to stop completely at once may be difficult but can do it slowly as you said, by reducing his gambling activities and it will provide an opportunity to be able to stop gambling even though slowly, but it doesn't matter because those who go from ordinary to addiction certainly go through the process but quickly, unlike the problem to cure his addiction, they have to do it gradually, step by step. If they are consistent maybe they will be able to quickly recover from the addiction. Although the chances are said to be very slim but there is no harm in trying it because this will also produce good and positive values for themselves.

Yes, it is difficult to quit gambling addiction, it is almost impossible to recover from the addiction that has been attached and even ingrained with them. But there must be a way out if they really have the intention to quit the addiction itself. By doing new things when they want to gamble it will make them little by little able to leave the gambling addiction activity, for example when he wants to gamble he ventures into sports such as playing basketball, or tennis. That he can do or do other things that he likes because there are still many other things that are more useful than continuing to monitor gambling with little body movement,  but by exercising they will move all their limbs which of course will be healthy for themselves. It's true that they must have strong intentions and determination and also be consistent in what they want, of course it's not easy but if they are really consistent,  I think it will work well. If they are still half-hearted to stop gambling I think they are just wasting their time, even though they have tried but they themselves must admit that they have not been wholehearted to stop then it is better for them to gamble until the lowest point or the lowest point they don't have anything because it runs out by selling it and using it for gambling, that way they will realize by themselves do not need to get advice and encouragement from others who support them. And I don't think they have to gamble until they are old.

Neither asking for some gambling fund or capital for some sharing or would really be asking on where you do get those funds? Of course they would really be molding up that kind of question when it comes to this kind of activity on which we do know that it would really be something costly as you do go forward or you are really that longing on playing gambling on which this would really be creating that kind of assumption that you do really have that money to be spend in gambling which raises up questions on how its possible that you could really be having those funds.

This is why for those individuals who are really that involved on gambling will really be tending to make themselves to be secretive on the things that they've been doing
rather than on telling other people neither family members or friends. Quitting is something that should be talked if you do see yourself
that spending too much already which is out of your limit already.

Most of the gamblers will not like to share their involvement to their family.Because their family keep ask their gambling family members to share their money involvement to the gambling sites.Even if the gamblers not use huge money in the gambling sites,the pressure from the family will be high.So do the gambling without sharing information to your family.The gamblers whose family members in the gambling know the real value of gambling.So they do the professional gambling for the family members involved in gambling.The gamblers not easy to recover from gambling if their family members in gambling deeply.

You really have to have better control so that you are not tempted to gamble too often, especially since you already know what the impact is on someone who gambles too often. We could hide our gambling activities and only gamble when everyone is asleep so that no one will be disturbed, but as I said, we have to have better control. Gambling can make it deeper and harder for us to reduce our gambling activities, and when we find it difficult to give up gambling, maybe that is a sign that we are starting to experience a gambling addiction.

A person who is addicted to gambling can recover from his gambling addiction as long as he has strong intentions and determination, and even though no one accompanies him during his recovery period, he can still live it well until he is finally free from his gambling addiction. This is indeed difficult, but it depends on the intention and determination of the gambling addict because, in fact, he himself can suppress the effects of his gambling addiction. Other people who accompany him only provide encouragement and support while everything depends on him. All people with an addiction, both gambling and drug addicts, have a second chance, but it depends on whether they can take advantage of their second chance or whether they will continue to reject it.

Yes, someone have their own considerations, so it's only natural that they still hide it from people because there are still many people who think gambling is something that is not good. Many people have experienced bad things because of gambling, and it cannot be cured easily. That is why those who are still hiding their gambling activities feel comfortable gambling without anyone knowing, and maybe they will still hide it for a long time. Everything will depend on how their self-control can protect them from all the problems that can arise from gambling. However, those who still hide their gambling activities must be wary of the tendency to continue gambling if they experience defeat. It can trigger them to become addicted to gambling if they cannot control themselves in gambling.

We know that stopping gambling is difficult, but we can try to reduce gambling activities because by still trying to control ourselves by reducing our gambling time and money, we can avoid gambling addiction. Something that has been done repeatedly will form a habit, so if someone wants to reduce their gambling activities, they have to form a new habit so they can start reducing it. A person must have a strong intention and determination to start, whereas if he still wants to gamble, that means he must start practicing his intention and determination so that he can stop himself from gambling. But if he loses money and no one in his family knows that he has been gambling too often, he could become seriously addicted to gambling, and no one can help him.

Maybe you mean that there is no perfect advice for gamblers but even if you have the perfect advice for those who are already addicted to gambling I think it will not fully affect, maybe you already know that someone who has entered the addiction zone they have their own thoughts and beliefs even though basically everything they think and expect is outside of the actual facts that always happen. Gamblers who are addicted always want to win but do not want to lose, if they lose then they will continue to act out of control by chasing that loss for who knows how long. So maybe even if your advice can help, it is very unlikely, and all safety in gambling is only themselves who can do and implement it.

If they have already entered the addiction phase then I think they are already quite late in applying limits, because if you are already in that position it is very difficult to be able to restore consciousness even just a little to encourage you to apply a little prevention. I think that advice would be more effective to suggest to those who have not entered the addiction phase or that means that their gambling involvement is not too severe, they must really be able to apply all the restrictions firmly, because if you have entered the addiction phase I think there is no other feeling except regret.

Chasing losses in my opinion will only make you worse, what makes you so sure that you will be able to break even by winning the next time? it's nothing more than your feelings, right? and I'm sure you never know when you will win, so I think before you gamble you should be able to understand all the risks involved in gambling and also what is meant by luck. If you have understood all that then I think you will not dare to do things that are beyond your ability, or mean like putting an amount that you cannot be responsible for if the final result loses. I think by putting a small amount and also by bringing the right mindset, it is less likely for you to fall into the addiction zone.

There is nothing wrong with advice, all of it is essentially aimed at something good. it's just that the problem is if someone is given advice, whether he will accept it or ignore it. just like I advise my child, it is no different when I try to take a persuasive approach to my friend who has a gambling disorder. give him a little understanding from my point of view, advise him, let him decide the rest. For me, we can even advise ourselves when we are in a chaotic situation. in a way, armed with experience, yep, experience is the best teacher. However, there is absolutely nothing wrong with what you said. We have different assumptions and ways of thinking and that's what's unique about healthy discussions.

Now we refer to the theme of the title of this thread, "Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk".
as you said in your post, the point lies with us as perpetrators and gamblers. It's just that, sometimes what we say is not as easy as when we are in the gambling session phase. the problem is, emotions are always involved in it. and emotions are formed by situations, conditions, feelings, and many other things. Well, I say it once again, there are several points that I agree with what you said. in particular, on the last point. However, if it is not accompanied by self-control, responsibility and understanding as well as experience. then it will be difficult to control ourselves, whether in the winning phase or otherwise.

People's thoughts are different, so they can have what they think is best for themselves, hiding or telling it in my opinion will still bring its own problems, because after all gambling is something that is not good in society. So there are those who hide their gambling activities because they are embarrassed if they find out about their activities, and there are those who tell it to explain their habits, depending on the person himself. And in my opinion, people who like to gamble tend to find it difficult to accept advice from other people even if they are family or close friends, sometimes they can also argue back because they don't accept advice.
To stop gambling is very difficult not only gambling all things that have become a habit that is said to be addicted will be difficult to cure, as you said, it takes a strong determination to stop gambling is true and I want to add, when an addict wants to quit the addiction then he will be determined with all his might to resist the desire to gamble. But if they want to gamble half-heartedly or there is still a feeling of wanting to gamble it will be in vain, it is better for them to continue gambling until they feel at the lowest point in order to fully realize the gambling that has made him lose a lot and not in terms of money alone. So in my opinion there must be a definite intention with all their heart first to stop. then they will be able to accept advice from family or people around them.

I always say that there is no perfect advice for a gambler, still, everyone should have their gauge and plan, this is also applicable when the limit of gamblers is not yet reached, we have to use our brains wisely. There seems not to be a best time to quit gambling when you are making money from it but when you lose consistently, it's sensible to do the needful before it's too late. One can come back for it again after cooling off in some days or weeks, at that moment, it's better to give it a break and try to play the hero's revenge the next time. To losers, the mindset that they must get back their money is what kills them more and I've never seen gamblers that have won their emotions consistently in this regard. But those who are winning still need to guard themselves against greed, that's why I started with the remark that even if our limits are not stretched yet, there is a good time for us to quit and be smart. If not, the money that has been won before could be lost due to anxiety, and lack of plan and self-control.

Of course, most people will hide their gambling activities from their family because they don't want to feel disappointed or unhappy with every gambling activity they do, considering that not everyone likes gambling, and quite few even think that gambling is bad activity.
Even though the family role is very helpful, personally I will not tell my family what he does regarding gambling and will continue to hide everything even though I am in trouble.

What he did was real form of effort towards awareness to be able to recover from gambling addiction and curing addiction must be based on one own intention and determination because no matter how many people give advice or suggestions, if there is no awareness or intention from yourself then things will become very difficult.
From the emergence of awareness to recover, he can also suppress every activity he does so that when he has the desire to return, he can think that his goal is to stop and recover from the addiction he is experiencing.

But there are still many who are not honest with their families, especially when it comes to gambling. They feel it is better to hide their gambling activities than to tell other family members, even though hiding their gambling activities from their family members can cause problems that they will never realize. And yes, if someone is addicted to gambling and gets advice from other family members, maybe they won't be able to accept it easily, and maybe there should be someone else outside the circle of family members who can advise him so that he wants to reduce his gambling activities.

Your friend is willing to realize his gambling addiction and is willing to learn to heal himself even though there is no family to help him and only encourage him. But maybe for him, that was enough, so he continued to undergo the process of healing his gambling addiction until he finally recovered. It requires very strong determination and effort, and perhaps only a few can do it.

If you do really play gambling for entertainment then it wont really be that much of an issue if you are someone who do play on full extent on a particular day since you have allocated an amount on which you are really that willing to lose or simply you would really be spending those until the last drop or making things long as possible. If you do win up then its not bad to call it a day or securing those profits and would be allocated on the same day. In my case whenever i do win up something big then i do buy a certain thing or gadget on which it is really that something that benefits my in long time.
I wont really be that something that leave you some regret if you do spend up on something worth.

Quitting gambling isnt an issue if you do find yourself that responsible or really that mindful about your actions because if you are already doing the opposite then it would
really be just that right that you should really be that quitting as soon as possible before things becomes more worst.

Once a person has developed a psychological need to gamble it becomes impossible for them to do what you suggest, they will simply think too much about gambling to the point they will begin to do it once again even when they consciously do not wish to do so, and at that moment the person needs to recognize they have a problem they cannot hope to face alone, confess what they have been doing to their family and receive the professional help they need.