Topic: Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 128. (Read 96796 times)

they can be held accountable for not delivering on time.  people made their buying decisions based on the timetable set out.  it was as much a factor, if not more, as the price of the unit. 

Who buys this thing in November/December for batch 1 if they're going to get it in May, or later, but could instead order from Cointerra, who is already shipping, and get their unit in Feb/March?  Pretty much no-one is my guess.

the fact that others have been late is irrelevant.  manufacturers need to keep up their end of the bargain, and that includes on time delivery for a time critical application, or be held accountable for losses suffered as a result of their own failure.

Don't forget Jimmothy, BA's number one cheerleader, they'd be there singing and dancing telling people to ignore their loses, that BA really are a fantastic company and that the delays, loss of earnings and dissatisfaction is "only caused by a few fudsters" and is all in our minds.

If third party comments on an internet forum cause delays to their deliveries, what kind of halfwits are we dealing with?

Pfffff.

 

that would be nice.

Right now I'll be surprised if I see the X-3's I've ordered before Q3.  

if they make this new deadline and the UPS man shows up by May 1 I'll be just as surprised as if Ed McMahon rang my doorbell and threw confetti at me while bobsag, matt et. al. walked it up the driveway while singing 'working in the coal mine'

My hypothesis - and anyone can disagree - is that they secretly decided to go with 20nm instead of 28nm because they couldn't reach their targets with 28nm. That's why bobsag3 said that stuff under NDA are "specifics" for tapeout, etc.
That's the "surprise" and they don't want KNC/Cointerra/etc to know about it until they've successfully produced it.

I'd rather still be using GPU's as well.  I was perfectly happy churning out a reasonable amount of coins with a couple of rigs.  With GPU's at least you can decide in small increments what you'd like to spend and add a card here and there if you so desire.  That was more fun, with less potential downside and the situation was under your control. 

the model that has developed for the ASICs and this pre-order BS allows manufacturers to screw the hell out of their customers and make a profit whether they deliver something on time or not, whether it is useless by the time it gets to you or not. 

At this point these debacles by manufacturers are commonplace unfortunately.  However, some of them have figured out that it is not sustainable to screw your customers and try to sell sob stories of paltry margins when anyone with a calculator knows it's baloney.  Competitive forces will sort the market out over time as people figure out who they can and cannot trust with their money. 

What the means for current customers is pretty much nothing, of course, as in the near term if BA has your money for Batch 1 you're pretty much screwed, the way it seems to be playing out, although I guess we'll see.  Hopefully they'll surprise everyone by getting their shit together and pulling this mess out of the fire.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4851331

Hurricanes, earthquakes, armageddon.  None of them have the ability to kill the joy of mining.

Losing thousands to fund a company that's dancing in your money and feeding you a river of bullshit while they're doing it.

THAT kills the joy of mining.

Yes, BA and Bobsag have said that orders through MinerSource will also receive the 25% compensation package.

AntMiners, and that is currently it.

You didn't answer the part about how you claimed CNY wouldn't affect you guys, but it very well did.

This isn't about panic, at least not from me, who has been one of those individuals, it's about getting some answers and accountability for people that have pumped thousands of dollars into pre-orders that were supposedly due two weeks from today, and now are delayed, resulting in thousands of dollars in losses.   


A company that sells people a product that ends up losing money for them because the company itself blew it's deadlines is not a company that is going to survive, much less do great things. 

Now we're seeing comments to the effect that no-one should have expected ROI and/or profit, as this isn't a financial services company.  That's ludicrous.  BA knew that ROI was part of people's calculation.  Of course it was, no-one buys a product that ends up losing them thousands of dollars, just cause they love Bitcoin so much.  Give me a break.   

I don't care how pretty their products are, I don't care how much tap dancing and rah-rahing their people do, if their customers end up in the hole because BA screwed up, while they're walking off with profit and their competitors are bending over backwards to cover their customers, this company blows.  Period.

This is where the official record seems to be, not that anything is ever official, it does matter here as the way bobsag will get money is if BA gives it to him to give to us. So I think this thread is very appropriate place to pose the question, which has been asked numerous times, not only by myself, and never answered with a definitive yes or no

That's the part I'm curious about.

Who was blackarrow matt? I thought he was supposed to deliver us updates? Will this new position actually be in the same building as the people working on the product?

Need an answer to this as well, blackarrow.

I remember post after post about how you guys would not be affected by the CNY, care to comment why "most of the staff" had off when you previously said it wouldn't affect you guys?

Also since a yes or no answer was never given, will minersource be giving refunds, yes or no?

Okay, thanks Alex.

Since you're here, why don't you provide us with an update. What progress has been made in the last week?

I think instead of more information, we need some information to begin with, we really haven't been told anything besides being shown a couple more renders of a product that looked very unfinal.

Ahh ok, couldn't find a date on the article and mistook the upper left Today's date as the date it was written.