Topic: Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 129. (Read 96796 times)

No. It was written last year, as evidenced by david's post:
https://ecointalk.net/topic/242-assurances/?p=310

Oct 4, 2013 to be exact.

That article was written today? It seems that everything they said in that article is not true.  Who is this guy and how reliable is that website?

I have some questions:

1. Was BA telling the truth when they stated that they were ahead of schedule in mid January?

2. Did BA tape out 28nm in November?

2. Is BA currently hashing with batch 1 customers 28nm chips?

3. Is BA planning on shipping batch 1 customers 20nm chips in May?

4. When BA asked customers on ecointalk if they would accept a two month delay so they could produce a 20nm chip with better power efficiency and 95% said no why did they go ahead with the delay?

5. How is losing $13,000 in revenue over two months to save $10/mo in electricity in the customers best interest?

6. Who is Alex Berk?

Also I would like clarification on what the 25% bonus hashing refers to.  People keep saying its 500 GHs for an X-3, but since the chip runs at 120 GHs now, or 2.4 THs per X-3, shouldn't we all be receiving  600GHs per X-3 ordered?  this I believe has never been answered, and I would like clarification, because 2 months from now, BA could come out and say they are using the original specifications for this calculation and base it off of the, I believe it was 80 GHs per chip (don't quote me on that), and give us under 500 GHs per X-3 purchased. So some clarification would be nice.

I'd like to know as well. In addition, it looks like there's an HDMI port on the back. 

Are they keeping these "surprises" under wraps for now cuz they don't want their competitors to catch wind?

Quick question about the renders, and I do not know anything about what a render means, but they are just questions I had when looking at them.

Where will the Ethernet port be located?  Some pictures have it on the front, others have it on the back?

Are those USB ports on the front of some of the renders?  What would that be used for?

Some of the renders have a small hole next to the on button, whats that for?

I like the screen and if it shows that information it would be cool, but will there be a way to turn them off?  I dont really need 10+ units stacked together each showing the exact same thing.

IDK if there are any answers for this yet, but just some things I was wondering from looking at the pictures. 

HAHA 30 GH/s for 1499 for a year!  Thats crazy!  Also funny that under their description it says "Start Mining Now!" and yet this is for a contract that starts in March.  Hilarious

Well that is highly disappointing, promises of some big update and news and changes and all we get is the re-seller coming forward with "details" that most of us could have probably guessed.  No updates on how to obtain a refund, no updates on where the chips are at, no updates on a better compensation package.  Basically every question that we asked was ignored.

AND on top of that, we get informed that it may be another two weeks into May before we receive our miners.  Actually now that i think about it, this may not be entirely true.  Are they supposed to be at MinerSource within 2 weeks?  Or shipped from BA in 2 weeks?  Because if they are only shipping for 2 weeks into May, then it could be another week or two until we see our miners due to transportation and customs.

Thank you Bobsag for the expedited shipping, that is an extra day of mining for us, at least its something, but will put a small dent in the 2 months of mining lost to the delay.  Bobsag, you seem to be doing a good job speaking on behalf of BA, since they cannot seem to do it themselves, but please comment on if you will allow a refund.  A yes or a no is what is needed so that we can explore all of our options.  BA says they are working on a better compensation package, but they have said many things and like all of their sayings, I am taking it with a grain of salt that anything better will be offered.  And if that is the case, then a refund is the best option for me as well as others at this point.  So please publicly state if you will give a refund for those who asked.  If it is a problem with you getting the money back from BA, then I do not see what the problem is, since they believe this will still be such a successful launch, then not many people should be requesting refunds and the cost will be minimal.  If thats not the case, then we need to know.

I agree, mostly.

If BA steps up and makes it right, as have the other major manufacturers at this point, this will all be an unpleasant memory.

If BA does not, while it's competitors do, it is BA itself that will likely be an unpleasant memory.

I'm willing to give them a few days/week to run scenarios and figure out what they can do.  I can see how this is now a scramble and will take some time, however, I also know how fast companies can move when they want to, so more than a week or so to come to a decision will only be chalked up to foot dragging.  

I've seen the largest companies on earth move like lightning when it suits their purpose; and then flip and take months to "accomplish" something simple that doesn't contribute to their bottom line, stalling so that they can either try to figure out another option or slip out of their obligation altogether.  

At this point I'm willing to wait for a few days, maybe a week, to allow the gears to turn.  I fully understand the fact that they've seemingly had months at this point to sort this out, and I'm not any happier than anyone else with what I see as willful and intentional obfuscation of what was going on while they continued to tell people everything was just fine and continued booking orders, but I'm allowing for the possibility that they have really only now begun to take this issue of delay based compensation seriously.

Get the accountants/finance/engineering teams together and lock them in a room until a few somethings, in terms of scenarios, drop down the chute that make mathematical sense.   I would add legal to that group, but that's not what this is about.  If BA decides to take a legal tap-dance means out of this, which I know will be an attractive option, the customers will be screwed, and in the long run BA will have ruined their reputation.

At the end of the day it's the end result that matters most, at least to me, so I think this situation is salvageable for the customers and BA.  If they make it right, none of this matters, as, for me, this is about money and absolutely nothing else.   That may not be the case with everyone, and all of this is just my opinion, naturally.  

How much are you selling it for and do you have any idea when it will be delivered? 

When will you be at liberty to say? Or will you ever be at liberty to say?

Can you tell us what is under the NDA? Not what you know that you can't divulge, but what the topic is. Does that make sense?

So there has been no revision to the 25% for 4 months offer?

Just quoting this cuz I missed it and I'm sure others may have as well.

So we'd receive them in the middle of May essentially?

Weren't we told that they didn't have the capacity to ship all of batch 1 at once? That's why they had a batch 1 round 1 and round 2. Now, all of a sudden, they can ship all of batch 1 together, PLUS all of batch 2?
I'd like an explanation for that one..

Sir you are wrong, but this is not the place to argue that.

That's what happens when you pre-order. It's a licence to get your butt hurt by well-meaning and not-so-well-meaning hardware producers.

Good of you to chime in Lombriz, perhaps you're a customer who's also hurting, if so you've been categorized as a 'fanboi'. If you're not a customer, then you must ipso facto be a 'troll'.

There's a third category called 'mutes', that's reserved for senior management of BA on who's silence the whole game is played, a game where they and their customers always lose.



Of course if you've really been watching closely, you'll know that customers themselves are also being characterised as 'trolls' if they're not buying the '75% scam' in lieu of actual delivery of their gear.

So what this thread is really about is a few fanbois who love getting butt hurt while customers and everyone else are just trolling while we all wait for those dumb asses the mutes to say anything meaningful.

Haha! That's funny! I cannot understand why you're at a such a loss to understand what is going on then Kano. You could maybe chill on the critique and if you're in any way associated with BA it might be an idea to let them know that they're getting reputationally hammered and that no amount of page deletions is going to change that.

The way to stop the outcry is to engage in serious customer dialogue, not continue the crappy little remarks that have masqueraded as 'information'.

Let's see how it goes from here, seems like another day, another denial and the pitiful head-in-the-sand behaviour from BA. It really doesn't cut it.