Topic: Received BFL Jalapeño Today! - page 3. (Read 40241 times)

What i think in BFL .

Well, there you have it.
You cannot possibly be a BFL shill.

Ya know, I'm surprise BFL isn't selling quantum computing miners already.  I'll bet a dime to a donut that they would sell the shit out of them.

Careful now that would be WILD speculation about VAPOURWARE. I am so glad that you agree with my observations almost point for point on this with regards to BFL and it's shaky future and potential to lose a large portion of the market share in ASICs. The writing is on the wall.

+1

Sorry for your pain.

idc if they are still jelly bout the jally

I won't be ordering anything else from them.

Everything they do is sloppy. Very sloppy. So sloppy they have become my model for what not to do as a company (BlockBurner). Eventually they basically admitted they sold a pile of vaporware as their design was not even fully fleshed out and tested yet, forcing their hand to re-design the whole line at our expense.

I accepted I may never see my investment again when I made the order, but that doesn't give them the right to bend us all over.

I have a Jally coming at some point, but my shipping address is wrong and cannot be edited directly. Customer service emails are going into a black hole (2 weeks with nothing so far).

There is a crew of amateurs under the glossy veneer. I don't think I'm the only one that feels this way about them.

I understand you skepticism, I too would not order a large BFL unit until an order for a small unit is fulfilled and the worthiness of the supplier is confirmed. The delay is extremely worrying, because the ROI is dropping at an exponential rate due to the BTC difficulty increases. If the myriad of small Avalon chip projects start shipping before BFL clears a substantial portion of it's pre-orders, I suspect they will get a lot of cancellations as people want to be mining now, not months down the track. The clock is ticking.

 

I've been watching with quite a bit of interest, and I must confess, a high degree of amusement.

Inaba, I haven't been around long enough to know you or your history well enough, so this is a bit of a disclaimer. I chose this post because of one particular statement, rather than to be personal. It applies in varying degrees to everyone involved in this brawl. Yes, I said BRAWL.

All of you have demonstrated, damn near in textbook fashion, all of the logical fallacies that any debater should know and understand before opening their mouth, let alone laying fingers to the keyboards. While what y'all are doing is entertaining, and sometimes informative, referring to it as debate is disingenuous at best.

If you (collectively) want to at least APPEAR to be debating, I suggest you follow this link and learn something of the art. http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html

That being said, I am highly interested in the BFL line of products, and deeply concerned about the troubles of the company. I don't think BFL is a deliberate scam, but the business practices they have demonstrated are deeply troubling. I want to buy a couple of the high end machines, but can't currently justify the risk. I may pre order the little guy just to see what happens, but honestly it's ROI is unlikely to be very good even at that price by the time BFL ships. IF BFL ships.

Those of you who seem to have some inside influence or acquaintance with BFL would be serving your contacts well to put 'em up against a wall and explain basic economics and basic ethical business to them. It's fairly simple. Don't bullshit your customers. If you got a problem, especially on something highly speculative like this, you don't be vague, you TELL those who are invested or thinking about it UP FRONT. Most of us understand. What we don't understand is being obfuscatory. It makes you look like you are being deliberately shady, even if you're just reacting. The truth may hurt, but the rumour mill created by being anything less than honest WILL hurt more.

Help BFL to save their money their customers money


Petition: BFL should no longer be allowed to advertise here

FRC might be viable, it just depends on when ASICs are actually available. This pre-order caper is for the birds. When someone like Apple take pre-orders, it's usually for a month or so before the release date of a new product, and usually on that date they will have a million units packaged and ready to ship. I remember when the iPad first came out, I did a pre-order and on the release date about 11am in the morning a courier turns up with my iPad. That is customer service how it can be done, and in much bigger volumes with the associated problems than either BFL or Avalon pre-orders.

Like you, I am also interesting in the Avalon boards as well as the BFL devices, but I am not going to order one until they are finished, tested, and reviewed by the people on this forum at least.

FRC

Which you can trade for USD, CNY and EUR. Also it is profitable at 399% of BTC given the coinchoose ratings http://coinchoose.com/.  Don't get me wrong I hope everyone doesn't use their BFL rigs for FRC... or at the very least they get them WELL after I get a working set of Klondike boards from BKK. I think I have as much chance of getting 160 GH/s on to FRC in August as someone waiting for BFL. Although I would prefer that BFL fails to deliver I really feel the customers deserve their units as soon as possible. It is beyond ridiculous at this point for BFL to promise anything. This is where they should stfu and roll up their sleeves and stop jerking with the shipping and reworking the contract conditions to fuck everyone of their customers over and get it fucking done already.

If I get a working ASIC machine before most BFL customers I would say that BFL are completely and utterly-useless considering that an open source board with working ASIC chips could be developed in as little as 3 months. I have more faith in the open source development people than anything BFL is offering at this point especially considering the "clawback" shipping they are employing which I think might be a ploy to cover investors? Bank Loans? Mortgages on their homes? Who knows what these shady people are up to that is why I am glad to have control over most of pathways to get my own chips to boards.

Only SHA256 coins, not scrypt which limits the choice a lot.

PPC, TRC are two possible candidates, though you then have to find something useful to do with those alt coins. If you have to convert them to BTC, you might as well just mine the BTC.

Can you actually mine other cryptocoins with that?

The heat issues were so severe that I doubt they escaped notice under any circumstances. The product needs to be able to function for a reasonable period of time to test for RF leakage. It is not just an on/off sort of test. I would imagine if they actually got certification that it would have been paraded in front of the naysayers as proof that a product existed.

It is only because they had to redesign the whole thing that we are even talking about any of this. They were in a serious marketing war with Avalon and bASIC at the time and could not afford to show any weakness lest their investors start ask for refunds.

A reasonable explanation:  They sent in the QFN-packaged version before they knew of the heat issues faced, and did or did not get it certified.  Doesn't really matter, since they had to redesign the whole thing anyway.

I'll have to agree with Smoothie on this point:  you are a lot more entertaining as the Master Shill, instead of being the trollish master at baiting people.

Damnit K9!

You have infected my friend DataPlumber with your dirty truths. How DARE you show him the past with FACTS. You total scumbag  ...what did you think would happen?

Now DP is all confused and conceeding things. You people!

@ DP

BELIEVE...TRUST...let it "seep in" to your bones.

(Master BFL Shill)

A false statement that was Intentionally misleading regarding a material aspect of product development is the only thing I am trying to prove.