Received BFL Jalapeño Today! - page 5.

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Quote from: k9quaint on May 01, 2013, 10:59:44 AM

Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 12:23:34 AM

k9quaint, you, once again, are apparently too dense to understand the difference between being wrong and "misrepresentation." Since you're unable to even differentiate between two very simple words, we really don't have much to discuss. I recommend trying to learn basic English before trying to debate me. You're pathetic it at.

On advice from your lawyers, you will not admit to making misrepresentations here. I do not expect you to. Nor am I debating you, I know you can never admit to what you have done. I am doing this so that when people ask if they should order BFL we can point them to this thread and they can watch you twist in the wind.
And it is you who should be taking English classes (as others have pointed out).

Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 12:23:34 AM

But lets look at the BFL clown crew: Tom is a scammer, no surprise there. BitcoinINV, another scammer... no surprise there. CreativeX is still around trolling, as is Syke. Cedivad and Abracadabra have a BFL order now, shocker. ElectricMusic has stopped? He drops in to troll now and again, but I've had him on ignore for a long time. Abracadabra... yep BFL order. That leaves SolarSilver.

Let's tally:

9 BFL clown crew total.
2 Scammers
2 BFL converts
4 Trolls still trollin' hard
1 MIA (SolarSilver)

So yeah... 44% still trolling, 22% BFL, 22% scammers and 11% Other. Gonna go with: k9quaint: FAIL

Just you and Kano. And you wouldn't even have him if Avalon had ponied up a free unit for him.

And me. And perhaps SgtSpike. And probably others reasonably afraid to enter this discussion: I've mostly stayed out of it, because the level of hate and vitriol spewed at anyone who takes a rational position is off the charts.

Fortunately, I wore my flame-retardant Underoos today. So I'm all set.

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Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 12:23:34 AM

... I recommend trying to learn basic English before trying to debate me. You're pathetic it at.

LOL! Josh oh your fails are so entertaining. If BFL implodes oh is there going to be a lot of popcorn poppin. Cheesy

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Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 12:23:34 AM

k9quaint, you, once again, are apparently too dense to understand the difference between being wrong and "misrepresentation." Since you're unable to even differentiate between two very simple words, we really don't have much to discuss. I recommend trying to learn basic English before trying to debate me. You're pathetic it at.

On advice from your lawyers, you will not admit to making misrepresentations here. I do not expect you to. Nor am I debating you, I know you can never admit to what you have done. I am doing this so that when people ask if they should order BFL we can point them to this thread and they can watch you twist in the wind.
And it is you who should be taking English classes (as others have pointed out).

Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 12:23:34 AM

But lets look at the BFL clown crew: Tom is a scammer, no surprise there. BitcoinINV, another scammer... no surprise there. CreativeX is still around trolling, as is Syke. Cedivad and Abracadabra have a BFL order now, shocker. ElectricMusic has stopped? He drops in to troll now and again, but I've had him on ignore for a long time. Abracadabra... yep BFL order. That leaves SolarSilver.

Let's tally:

9 BFL clown crew total.
2 Scammers
2 BFL converts
4 Trolls still trollin' hard
1 MIA (SolarSilver)

So yeah... 44% still trolling, 22% BFL, 22% scammers and 11% Other. Gonna go with: k9quaint: FAIL

Just you and Kano. And you wouldn't even have him if Avalon had ponied up a free unit for him.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on May 01, 2013, 05:41:49 AM

Quote from: Frizz23 on May 01, 2013, 04:09:38 AM

Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 12:23:34 AM

I recommend trying to learn basic English before trying to debate me. You're pathetic it at.

LOL! It seems even native speakers have difficulties with the syntax.

Eheheheheh

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Quote from: Frizz23 on May 01, 2013, 04:09:38 AM

Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 12:23:34 AM

I recommend trying to learn basic English before trying to debate me. You're pathetic it at.

LOL! It seems even native speakers have difficulties with the syntax.

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Looking from the side, as a customer I would expect only 2 things when I buy something.

1. For the product to be delivered on time
2. For the product to work as advertised

BFL fails my a mile at both, the rest of the talk is simply not important. But in my country if these 2 points would fail, and I cant get my money back in 24 hours, IRS would be closing them down in next 7 days

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Puerto,

OMFG! ROFL! HAHA!

You being a shill is even more entertaining!

Please don't stop defending BFL they need a shill like you to uphold the BFL code of ETHIX.

Cheesy

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Quote from: Frizz23 on May 01, 2013, 04:09:38 AM

Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 12:23:34 AM

I recommend trying to learn basic English before trying to debate me. You're pathetic it at.

LOL! It seems even native speakers have difficulties with the syntax.

It's okay, hes human.

To err, is to be human. Cheesy

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Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 12:23:34 AM

I recommend trying to learn basic English before trying to debate me. You're pathetic it at.

LOL! It seems even native speakers have difficulties with the syntax.

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Smoothie,

Two weeks is an incredibly short amount of time for BFL to answer their emails. It is appropriate that they put in alot of thought into each and every response. Even if they look the same, down deep in the HTML code, a piece of their soul is transmitted with each message. This takes time and a state of Zen.

You have to understand that customers are asking difficult questions. They need more time to ponder on what these questions ultimately mean for them, the world and the Bitcoin community.

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On the topic of the past, it's in the past. Just forget it ever happened. We all grow from each experience. Josh is not the same person he was yesterday.

What he said before no longer applies today. Promises are meant to grow and change with time. Please understand. Please stop attacking Inaba with memories of times gone by. Please....I beg you. Cheesy

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Thats it. I am going to turn into a shill for the next week. I want to see what it feels like to be totally deluded and at the same time lie profusely.

I think there must be ?a thrill? to it in causing other people irreparable harm? Or perhaps the verbal abuse and hard and unyielding facts of the past make it pleasurable to endure despite that?

I suspect masochistic/sadist tendencies may grow out of my shill behavior...but lets see if people actually believe me when I tell them everything will absolutely be alright.

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Alright, Smoothie, give me your best shots. I will take you on single handedly. Josh is a saint and you should know better.

You just try your best with your dirty truths....and facts... Cheesy

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Quote from: smoothie on May 01, 2013, 02:50:57 AM

So as I expected there is NO GOOD REASON why BFL needs 2 weeks to respond to customer refund requests via email.

Other than not having enough funds to accomodate all the requests for refunds.

Prediction: The wait time for refund requests will grow over the next 4 months if BFL can't garner any new money to come and subsidize those wanting their money back.

NEVER SPEAK OF THIS....AGAIN. Shocked

BFL will never fold. There is always an idiot in the wings ready to save it with his hard earned cash! Folks your money is at absolutely no risk. Josh has said so. Josh is dependendable, reliable, trustworthy....and above all else, in it for the bitcoin community. He will never put anyone at risk.

Smoothie is just thinking of the "worst case scenario".

If worst comes to worse, I will buy BFL assets at .005 cents (or BTC) on the dollar. I cannot guarantee I will give anyone any of those assets. But I am sure that someone will.

So rest assured, you have my word and that of Inaba. That is the full faith of the BitCoin community.

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I'd fight Gandhi.

Quote from: Scared on April 30, 2013, 02:25:31 PM

It's obvious a few users have made it their goal to destroy this forum. I avoid reading anything from bitcointalk.org anymore. In fact when I find it necessary to read the forums I'm forced to skim through pages of absolute junk from the same hateful people. It used to be a great resource and had a good community. Now it's full of hate mongers.

Yup. Liked it much more back then as well. Occasionally saw some people whining about Atlas, or the latest scam. But that was the only bad thing back then that I can remember. Once summer came around, and rumors of ASIC started, everything went downhill.

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"Projection times will no longer be supplied by BFL until units are ready to be shipped, so quit asking."

Can i just ask where did you see this?

I don't know everyone does as a job but I've been a hardware engineer for 20 years and this is the worst project management ever,
suppose that all of bitcoin is like betting on black.......

smoothie

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So as I expected there is NO GOOD REASON why BFL needs 2 weeks to respond to customer refund requests via email.

Other than not having enough funds to accomodate all the requests for refunds.

Prediction: The wait time for refund requests will grow over the next 4 months if BFL can't garner any new money to come and subsidize those wanting their money back.

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Quote from: PuertoLibre on April 30, 2013, 10:23:21 PM

Take a look at this shocking development:
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/2004-i-want-cancel-my-order-been-week-no-response-office%40butterflylabs-2.html

Do you think he will get his Jalepeno immediately?

Comments welcome...

Something's not right!

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I'm sorry for your frustration. Messages are answered in the order they were received. You sent a refund request for this order number on 22 April at 20:23.

Due to high number of messages, please allow 1-2 weeks for responses from [email protected]

My sister works for an outfit that ships goods to convenience stores. She single handedly directs the entire fleet drivers replying to over 300-400 emails a day along with her other activities her title consist of, and she's not what one would consider management material, if you know what I mean, but she's able to conduct this task without blinking an eye better than the previous person who had some type of college degree.

She does handle company money in a sense that when a driver reaches the maximum amount of time he's allowed to be on the road, she books a hotel for them, paying for it with the company CC.

If I remember correctly, the CS staff count consisted of ~6-8 people with more being hired, and that was months ago when that was expressed by BFL.

What the hell has changed?

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Does anyone know what the delivery time is expected to be now if orded today? It seems to in constant flux.

Projection times will no longer be supplied by BFL until units are ready to be shipped, so quit asking.

aeronautical

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Does anyone know what the delivery time is expected to be now if orded today? It seems to in constant flux.

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Quote from: Inaba on April 30, 2013, 03:21:32 PM

There are a handful of people who placed orders on the tail end of the FPGA process who elected to wait for the ASICs (since they were shipping RSN (TM)) after they had already placed and paid for their order. Scared is one of them, and we ship by date paid, not order number anyway, so it's kind of immaterial.

Before I read subsequent posts of this thread, I wish to comment that this is excellent response by Josh, one of which upon reading I have no reason to doubt its validity.

smoothie

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[refund customers] <----------?-------- [BFL] --------?-----------> [ship en mass ASICs]

1. Can't ship en mass ASICs to fill backlog of 20k-60k orders because not enough funds to produce orders.

2. Need to spam advertisements to get new customer money to pay for customer refunds AND production/materials for ASICs.

3. Ship first units to PR people to get more attention and possibly more customer money.

See BFL can't exist without NEW & OLD customer preorder monies. Hence their initial June 2012 post.

ADVERTISEMENT SPAM ---> CUSTOMER PREORDER MONEY -----> REFUND CURRENT CUSTOMERS
-----> FUND EXISTING PREORDERS
-----> ADVERTISEMENT SPAM ---> CUSTOMER PREORDER MONEY

-----> REFUND CURRENT CUSTOMERS
-----> FUND EXISTING PREORDERS
-----> ADVERTISEMENT SPAM ---> CUSTOMER PREORDER MONEY -----> REFUND CURRENT CUSTOMERS ...

See any pattern here? This reminds me of a ponzi.

smoothie

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I would think the COO of BFL could at least help out in the handling process of customer refund requests via email given he has so much time to post on the forums.

I mean if he has nothing better to do and there is a huge 2 week BACKLOG on customer refund requests what does that imply? Not manufacturing devices enmasse 400/day as claimed or can't keep up with refunding customers their moniez because you folks dont have enough to refund?

Evidence please Josh as you request is all to provide.

Also you still have not provided any evidence that you settled your 1000 BTC bet with user Runeks.

Still waiting...

(anticipation of more "you lying sacks of shit" response). Tongue

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