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June 23, 2013, 08:17:18 AM
   Hello everyone,i've been following this thread closely,and decided to register and speak my mind without holding anything back. [...]

And with saying that i have to say fuck Josh,Fuck Jody,with the bullshit and lies.  [...]
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One thing these assclowns forgot,is that the customer is always right especially when the SELLER HAS LIED AND FAILED TO DELIVER ON PROMISED PRODUCT.


Woah Nellie... I hope you don't get your orders cancelled on  you after that rant. I'm left wondering who the assclown is though - probably the one who is butthurt.
legendary
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June 23, 2013, 05:08:40 AM
OK, seriously, how is BFL a "lethal danger" to Bitcoin? Assoles, sure, but a "lethal danger", no way. The output of Avalon (particularly the chip buys) and ASICMiner is going to quickly outstrip BFL's output, so even if they stopped shipping their units and attempted to 51% attack, that wouldn't go anywhere.
The voracious greed of those criminals is beyond any control. They'll mine with their customers' ASICs until difficulty is so high that 99% of their customers will never see a positive ROI on their Bitcoin investment. This will inevitably drive mining towards even bigger centralization. Ever increasing mining centralization is very bad. If you have centralized mining you have centralized Bitcoin. Nobody will care for centralized Bitcoin. Price will drop to zero. Simple as that.
legendary
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June 23, 2013, 04:22:48 AM
The craigslist ad of Frederik Dansk is a SCAM

Just check the ridiculous pictures.

Probably anonymous temporary is the scammer itself.
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June 23, 2013, 03:39:03 AM
Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry
Stop crying ... the world is just unfair (to you especially) ... and guess what: over 99.9999 % of our nice population on this planet would say to you:
WHY SHOULD I CARE?
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June 23, 2013, 02:54:06 AM
This assclown we know as Josh,i'm totally convinced that he is a sociopath or border line to being one.
Yep, BFL is a lethal danger to Bitcoin. They have too much power now and are totally corrupt liars. Those crooks must be stopped before ruining Bitcoin. It is not a coincidence that Litecoin is attracting more and more attention everyday.

OK, seriously, how is BFL a "lethal danger" to Bitcoin? Assoles, sure, but a "lethal danger", no way. The output of Avalon (particularly the chip buys) and ASICMiner is going to quickly outstrip BFL's output, so even if they stopped shipping their units and attempted to 51% attack, that wouldn't go anywhere.
legendary
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June 23, 2013, 01:41:40 AM
This assclown we know as Josh,i'm totally convinced that he is a sociopath or border line to being one.
Yep, BFL is a lethal danger to Bitcoin. They have too much power now and are totally corrupt liars. Those crooks must be stopped before ruining Bitcoin. It is not a coincidence that Litecoin is attracting more and more attention everyday.
erk
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June 23, 2013, 01:32:42 AM
wall of double spaced text.....

So who's new alt account is this? The post reads like a 17 year old.


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June 23, 2013, 12:56:18 AM
   Hello everyone,i've been following this thread closely,and decided to register and speak my mind without holding anything back.

I don't have much of a reputation here as of yet but much of the truth i'm about to tell doesn't need to be validated by BFL's incompetence dishonesty,and ignorance.

I currently have a BFL Single on preorder since earlier this year.I'm 34years old and have seen a lot of scams  since 2001 on the

internet, and personally knew people that ran scams on the internet,but i've never seen it on a level of great magnitude and multitude

as BFL has been pulling off for close to a year now.BFL reminds me of Paypal during the "Paypal Wars" between 2001-2004.

BFL is no different with being unethical and telling lies and bullshitting it customers,because of the lack of real competition.

BFL is a legit on paper,but the staff has a gangster mentality,and you all have seen it first hand here,why i say the entire staff,because birds of a feather flock together.

This assclown we know as Josh,i'm totally convinced that he is a sociopath or border line to being one.

BFL lied about the 60GH/s Single's not being ready to ship,when in fact they were ready since late April.

A person by the name of Frederik Dansk who appears to be from France, http://paris.en.craigslist.fr/ele/3829355665.html

received multiple Singles.The date of the listing is 5-26-13.Which means it roughly took 2 weeks for it to ship from here in the U.S. to

France (give or take a week to pass customs).BFL is looking out for BFL and it's buddies.Who we see get the first Jalapenos,Single

before paying customers,and driving up the difficulty and converting BTC for USD at a alarming rate,to where now those of us here in the

US waiting on our pre-orders won't even have the option to convert BTC for USD without submitting some paperwork.

I am sure that those who work or tied in with BFL,are profiting on our pre-orders,to the point of when difficulty reach 40 million +

they may then clear the back orders before the backordered ASICs are worthless with little or no resell value.A few Jalapenos here and a few Single/mini rigs there,is just a dog and pony show,to appease Paypal that they actually shipped some orders,(pre-order's paid through Paypal.)

They longer they sit and mine pre-order's,as difficulty goes up,it increases the chance of miners having to purchase more ASIC mining

hardware wheather it be from BFL or a competitor that actually  has product in hand,and shipping within 7 business days,which currently

isn't none that rivals BFL amount of GH/s and low wattage.BFL is the new Paypal in the bitcoin community.

And with saying that i have to say fuck Josh,Fuck Jody,with the bullshit and lies.I've read many talking about litigation,

back and forth,suing BFL would be a waste of time.These gangsters have pockets deep enough to have suits thrown out of court,

and enough ASIC's to "gift" lawyers/judges to turn a blind eye.If criminals in Orleans Parish prison can get  their hands on guns,drugs
 alcohol, or a inmate in a Baltimore prison inpregnate 4 different female guards,they should speak volumes itself about the system we have here in the US.

Many of us made Paypal,what it is today about a decade ago and adopted Bitcoin to get away from the goddamn tyranny of Paypal,and now 

BFL is pulling the same shit with ASICS.And people wonder why we American's are stereo typed as being greedy.

BFL has made their money 10x over through mining with the ASICs they are sitting on,refunding pre-orders in USD instead of BTC current market rate and of course paid Pre-order's.

And to assclown's Josh/Jody wanna speak further on this,they may do so through their actions by start shipping pre-orders in mass to paying customers.

One thing these assclowns forgot,is that the customer is always right especially when the SELLER HAS LIED AND FAILED TO DELIVER ON PROMISED PRODUCT.




 








 


 
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June 22, 2013, 02:29:13 PM
That sounds sensible. One flash crash from Gox would torque their exchange rates.

As I posted in the linked thread, I'm not using MtGox for my exchange rates anymore. I mostly deal with USD and bitcoin, so the fact that people currently can't withdraw USD from MtGox kind of skews their market in my eyes.



That's true. The entire Bitcoin community is kind of taking a good American fiber filled shit right now. I'll be glad when the turd finally passes the sphincter and we can get on with business. I think a lot of businesses are going to scrape out of the colon all at once which will be good for Bitcoin.

legendary
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June 22, 2013, 02:09:48 PM
That sounds sensible. One flash crash from Gox would torque their exchange rates.

As I posted in the linked thread, I'm not using MtGox for my exchange rates anymore. I mostly deal with USD and bitcoin, so the fact that people currently can't withdraw USD from MtGox kind of skews their market in my eyes.



That's true. The entire Bitcoin community is kind of taking a good American fiber filled shit right now. I'll be glad when the turd finally passes the sphincter and we can get on with business. I think a lot of businesses are going to scrape out of the colon all at once which will be good for Bitcoin.
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June 22, 2013, 01:49:40 PM
That sounds sensible. One flash crash from Gox would torque their exchange rates.

As I posted in the linked thread, I'm not using MtGox for my exchange rates anymore. I mostly deal with USD and bitcoin, so the fact that people currently can't withdraw USD from MtGox kind of skews their market in my eyes.

legendary
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June 22, 2013, 01:20:07 PM
Don't you think it's at least a little odd that both BitInstant and Gox stopped dollar exchange at the same time. I wonder if anyone has checked BitPay to see what they are doing for their customers today?

Yes I think it is odd.
However, I do not automatically assume that Gox = bad because the Department of Homeland Security doesn't like them.
Could Gox be shady? It is possible.
But they are a japanese company that so far complies with all japanese regulations and laws.
Time will tell, unless the US indictments are sealed and the proceedings take place in a secret FISA court.  Cheesy

Well this answers my question about what BitPay is doing: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mtgox-no-longer-the-standard-for-exchange-rate-240706

That sounds sensible. One flash crash from Gox would torque their exchange rates.
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June 22, 2013, 12:28:03 PM
Don't you think it's at least a little odd that both BitInstant and Gox stopped dollar exchange at the same time. I wonder if anyone has checked BitPay to see what they are doing for their customers today?

Yes I think it is odd.
However, I do not automatically assume that Gox = bad because the Department of Homeland Security doesn't like them.
Could Gox be shady? It is possible.
But they are a japanese company that so far complies with all japanese regulations and laws.
Time will tell, unless the US indictments are sealed and the proceedings take place in a secret FISA court.  Cheesy

Well this answers my question about what BitPay is doing: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mtgox-no-longer-the-standard-for-exchange-rate-240706
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 12:23:29 PM
Don't you think it's at least a little odd that both BitInstant and Gox stopped dollar exchange at the same time. I wonder if anyone has checked BitPay to see what they are doing for their customers today?

Yes I think it is odd.
However, I do not automatically assume that Gox = bad because the Department of Homeland Security doesn't like them.
Could Gox be shady? It is possible.
But they are a japanese company that so far complies with all japanese regulations and laws.
Time will tell, unless the US indictments are sealed and the proceedings take place in a secret FISA court.  Cheesy
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 12:14:19 PM
That's the missing component isn't it. There are entirely too many scumbags running Bitcoin businesses for there to be any kind of stability. How many broken promises can you count here starting with MyBitcoin and Bruce Wagner. I lost track and stopped counting after Bitcoinica.

There are too many bitcoin businesses centered around trying to sell their way of making bitcoins, or perhaps these types of businesses are the only ones getting the attenion. We need more shops that sell physical products or real world services to accept bitcoin and get them in the limelight. Wishing doesn't do much though...

Yeah, here's the latest round of scumbag businesses skirting the law:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2549959
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2550190

Um, the first link is a chart comparing bitcoin to other currencies (not a business).
The other is Mt. Gox. They are having issues, but I would rank them fairly low on the scumbag scale. They have not robbed or defrauded anyone that I know of. They have only had production issues and arguments with the DHS.


Your missing the point. If businesses started out trying to do things the right way they wouldn't be having the problems they have. What reputable business in the real world gets a bank account seized or has to close operations because they didn't comply with business law or lied on an application. Come on.

I presume you are talking about Mt Gox now and the first link is not relevant.
First of all, it is the Department of Homeland Security doing the prosecution. These are the same guys who strip search 90 year old ladies in wheelchairs and 2 year old toddlers at airports.
The subsidiary in question (Mutum Sigillum LLC) was a holding company, not a money services business. Mt Gox is registered as an MSB, but the subsidiary was not. The account was created before the FINCen guidelines about virtual currencies.
Mt. Gox did not have to close operations.
Standard Chartered Bank, UBS, and Credit Suisse all ran afoul of US banking laws recently. They have paid over $1 billion in fines and UBS actually had a criminal indictment go forward.


Don't you think it's at least a little odd that both BitInstant and Gox stopped dollar exchange at the same time. I wonder if anyone has checked BitPay to see what they are doing for their customers today?
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June 22, 2013, 12:04:39 PM

Standard Chartered Bank, UBS, and Credit Suisse all ran afoul of US banking laws recently. They have paid over $1 billion in fines and UBS actually had a criminal indictment go forward.


USA are now focused on Switzerland more than on the UBS case  Wink
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 12:03:13 PM
That's the missing component isn't it. There are entirely too many scumbags running Bitcoin businesses for there to be any kind of stability. How many broken promises can you count here starting with MyBitcoin and Bruce Wagner. I lost track and stopped counting after Bitcoinica.

There are too many bitcoin businesses centered around trying to sell their way of making bitcoins, or perhaps these types of businesses are the only ones getting the attenion. We need more shops that sell physical products or real world services to accept bitcoin and get them in the limelight. Wishing doesn't do much though...

Yeah, here's the latest round of scumbag businesses skirting the law:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2549959
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2550190

Um, the first link is a chart comparing bitcoin to other currencies (not a business).
The other is Mt. Gox. They are having issues, but I would rank them fairly low on the scumbag scale. They have not robbed or defrauded anyone that I know of. They have only had production issues and arguments with the DHS.


Your missing the point. If businesses started out trying to do things the right way they wouldn't be having the problems they have. What reputable business in the real world gets a bank account seized or has to close operations because they didn't comply with business law or lied on an application. Come on.

I presume you are talking about Mt Gox now and the first link is not relevant.
First of all, it is the Department of Homeland Security doing the prosecution. These are the same guys who strip search 90 year old ladies in wheelchairs and 2 year old toddlers at airports.
The subsidiary in question (Mutum Sigillum LLC) was a holding company, not a money services business. Mt Gox is registered as an MSB, but the subsidiary was not. The account was created before the FINCen guidelines about virtual currencies.
Mt. Gox did not have to close operations.
Standard Chartered Bank, UBS, and Credit Suisse all ran afoul of US banking laws recently. They have paid over $1 billion in fines and UBS actually had a criminal indictment go forward.
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 11:26:34 AM
After reading this very long and winding thread, I can see both sides of the argument. But I think in the end it all comes down to one thing: counter party risk.

If you use paypal, or Visa, or whatever system out there, those providers assume some counterparty risk. And they charge you for it. Sometimes they charge you a lot for it.

When you use Bitcoins, you assume all of the risk. There is no risk premium on transactions.

When you assume all of the risk, occasionally you may simply lose.

Unless you find a company that will take on the Bitcoin risk for you (and actually keep their promise).

That's the missing component isn't it. There are entirely too many scumbags running Bitcoin businesses for there to be any kind of stability. How many broken promises can you count here starting with MyBitcoin and Bruce Wagner. I lost track and stopped counting after Bitcoinica.

There are too many bitcoin businesses centered around trying to sell their way of making bitcoins, or perhaps these types of businesses are the only ones getting the attenion. We need more shops that sell physical products or real world services to accept bitcoin and get them in the limelight. Wishing doesn't do much though...

Yeah, here's the latest round of scumbag businesses skirting the law:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2549959
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2550190

Um, the first link is a chart comparing bitcoin to other currencies (not a business).
The other is Mt. Gox. They are having issues, but I would rank them fairly low on the scumbag scale. They have not robbed or defrauded anyone that I know of. They have only had production issues and arguments with the DHS.


Your missing the point. If businesses started out trying to do things the right way they wouldn't be having the problems they have. What reputable business in the real world gets a bank account seized or has to close operations because they didn't comply with business law or lied on an application. Come on.
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 11:13:02 AM
After reading this very long and winding thread, I can see both sides of the argument. But I think in the end it all comes down to one thing: counter party risk.

If you use paypal, or Visa, or whatever system out there, those providers assume some counterparty risk. And they charge you for it. Sometimes they charge you a lot for it.

When you use Bitcoins, you assume all of the risk. There is no risk premium on transactions.

When you assume all of the risk, occasionally you may simply lose.

Unless you find a company that will take on the Bitcoin risk for you (and actually keep their promise).

That's the missing component isn't it. There are entirely too many scumbags running Bitcoin businesses for there to be any kind of stability. How many broken promises can you count here starting with MyBitcoin and Bruce Wagner. I lost track and stopped counting after Bitcoinica.

There are too many bitcoin businesses centered around trying to sell their way of making bitcoins, or perhaps these types of businesses are the only ones getting the attenion. We need more shops that sell physical products or real world services to accept bitcoin and get them in the limelight. Wishing doesn't do much though...

Yeah, here's the latest round of scumbag businesses skirting the law:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2549959
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2550190

Um, the first link is a chart comparing bitcoin to other currencies (not a business).
The other is Mt. Gox. They are having issues, but I would rank them fairly low on the scumbag scale. They have not robbed or defrauded anyone that I know of. They have only had production issues and arguments with the DHS.
legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
June 22, 2013, 10:56:53 AM
After reading this very long and winding thread, I can see both sides of the argument. But I think in the end it all comes down to one thing: counter party risk.

If you use paypal, or Visa, or whatever system out there, those providers assume some counterparty risk. And they charge you for it. Sometimes they charge you a lot for it.

When you use Bitcoins, you assume all of the risk. There is no risk premium on transactions.

When you assume all of the risk, occasionally you may simply lose.

Unless you find a company that will take on the Bitcoin risk for you (and actually keep their promise).

That's the missing component isn't it. There are entirely too many scumbags running Bitcoin businesses for there to be any kind of stability. How many broken promises can you count here starting with MyBitcoin and Bruce Wagner. I lost track and stopped counting after Bitcoinica.

There are too many bitcoin businesses centered around trying to sell their way of making bitcoins, or perhaps these types of businesses are the only ones getting the attenion. We need more shops that sell physical products or real world services to accept bitcoin and get them in the limelight. Wishing doesn't do much though...

Yeah, here's the latest round of scumbag businesses skirting the law:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2549959
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2550190
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