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Topic: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! - page 6. (Read 51125 times)

hero member
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June 22, 2013, 10:47:52 AM
After reading this very long and winding thread, I can see both sides of the argument. But I think in the end it all comes down to one thing: counter party risk.

If you use paypal, or Visa, or whatever system out there, those providers assume some counterparty risk. And they charge you for it. Sometimes they charge you a lot for it.

When you use Bitcoins, you assume all of the risk. There is no risk premium on transactions.

When you assume all of the risk, occasionally you may simply lose.

Unless you find a company that will take on the Bitcoin risk for you (and actually keep their promise).

That's the missing component isn't it. There are entirely too many scumbags running Bitcoin businesses for there to be any kind of stability. How many broken promises can you count here starting with MyBitcoin and Bruce Wagner. I lost track and stopped counting after Bitcoinica.

There are too many bitcoin businesses centered around trying to sell their way of making bitcoins, or perhaps these types of businesses are the only ones getting the attenion. We need more shops that sell physical products or real world services to accept bitcoin and get them in the limelight. Wishing doesn't do much though...
legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
June 22, 2013, 10:33:08 AM
After reading this very long and winding thread, I can see both sides of the argument. But I think in the end it all comes down to one thing: counter party risk.

If you use paypal, or Visa, or whatever system out there, those providers assume some counterparty risk. And they charge you for it. Sometimes they charge you a lot for it.

When you use Bitcoins, you assume all of the risk. There is no risk premium on transactions.

When you assume all of the risk, occasionally you may simply lose.

Unless you find a company that will take on the Bitcoin risk for you (and actually keep their promise).

That's the missing component isn't it. There are entirely too many scumbags running Bitcoin businesses for there to be any kind of stability. How many broken promises can you count here starting with MyBitcoin and Bruce Wagner. I lost track and stopped counting after Bitcoinica.
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 10:21:00 AM
After reading this very long and winding thread, I can see both sides of the argument. But I think in the end it all comes down to one thing: counter party risk.

If you use paypal, or Visa, or whatever system out there, those providers assume some counterparty risk. And they charge you for it. Sometimes they charge you a lot for it.

When you use Bitcoins, you assume all of the risk. There is no risk premium on transactions.

When you assume all of the risk, occasionally you may simply lose.

Unless you find a company that will take on the Bitcoin risk for you (and actually keep their promise).
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1393
You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
June 22, 2013, 10:11:32 AM
After reading this very long and winding thread, I can see both sides of the argument. But I think in the end it all comes down to one thing: counter party risk.

If you use paypal, or Visa, or whatever system out there, those providers assume some counterparty risk. And they charge you for it. Sometimes they charge you a lot for it.

When you use Bitcoins, you assume all of the risk. There is no risk premium on transactions.

When you assume all of the risk, occasionally you may simply lose.

Yep, that's right.
hero member
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June 22, 2013, 10:07:12 AM
After reading this very long and winding thread, I can see both sides of the argument. But I think in the end it all comes down to one thing: counter party risk.

If you use paypal, or Visa, or whatever system out there, those providers assume some counterparty risk. And they charge you for it. Sometimes they charge you a lot for it.

When you use Bitcoins, you assume all of the risk. There is no risk premium on transactions.

When you assume all of the risk, occasionally you may simply lose.
sr. member
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Learn to go against your mind
June 22, 2013, 10:01:39 AM
Did they shipped only in USA?
legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
June 22, 2013, 09:39:31 AM
A good start to the weekend:

I'd say chill the fuck out but what would that really accomplish here?

You just got these? What country were they shipped to?
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June 22, 2013, 09:31:40 AM
Easy Miner seems to have a nice interface.

It's the charcoal color scheme. Makes everything look better.
erk
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June 22, 2013, 05:45:29 AM
Easy Miner seems to have a nice interface.
sr. member
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June 22, 2013, 05:41:18 AM
A good start to the weekend:

















I'd say chill the fuck out but what would that really accomplish here?
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 02:09:59 AM
Well,check this crap out................

From BFL_Jody.........."We are working to configure the Little Single. Given the way our units have turned out we have had to make adjustments on each one. The LS was the last to be announced, so it is the last to be configured for production."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/202-friday-june-21-2013-shipping-update.html#comment3944

So our upgrade back in oct is going to hold us up getting our units,I'll never learn....................

Thanks BFL!!!!!!!!!!!!! For finding another way to create a delay  Wink
sr. member
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June 22, 2013, 01:00:39 AM
I was pretty sure the whole Garr issue with first orders was resolved pages ago. Turned out some FPGA orders prior to release were converted to ASICs, keeping their place in the queue before any preorders were placed.

Also, as I recall, BFL originally used BitInstant prior to their issue with being hacked, then switched to BitPay. Anyone able to confirm or deny?

Bitinstant is not a commercial payment processor; they are a currency converter. Unless they had some kind of private deal worked out that was not made public that wouldn't be possible.

Correct, just found http://www.thepaypers.com/news/online-payments/butterfly-labs-selects-bitpay-for-bitcoin-payments-processing/748011-3
Never mind....
legendary
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What's a GPU?
June 22, 2013, 12:47:20 AM
I was pretty sure the whole Garr issue with first orders was resolved pages ago. Turned out some FPGA orders prior to release were converted to ASICs, keeping their place in the queue before any preorders were placed.

Also, as I recall, BFL originally used BitInstant prior to their issue with being hacked, then switched to BitPay. Anyone able to confirm or deny?

Bitinstant is not a commercial payment processor; they are a currency converter. Unless they had some kind of private deal worked out that was not made public that wouldn't be possible.
sr. member
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June 22, 2013, 12:44:41 AM
I was pretty sure the whole Garr issue with first orders was resolved pages ago. Turned out some FPGA orders prior to release were converted to ASICs, keeping their place in the queue before any preorders were placed.

Also, as I recall, BFL originally used BitInstant prior to their issue with being hacked, then switched to BitPay. Anyone able to confirm or deny?
sr. member
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June 21, 2013, 10:24:45 PM
This kind of angers me... BFL gives promoters the items out of line.

I have the absolute first SC Single order (#1656), and not even a shipping notification yet.

Orders start before 1600.

Months ago, a BFL employee confirmed that I was the first order. Humans make mistakes, sure, but I really wish you as a company would be a little more straight-forward, forthcoming, and transparent.

No hard feelings, Josh. I know you do your best  Wink

Any idea who sent you that info?  I'm not sure why they would have said that... but it may have been during the transition from our old system to our new system. This is why it's hard to hire temp employees.

BFL have such a terrible reputation, mainly due to the fact they are rude to customers, and make up excuses. Funny isn't it, that comment fits the bill exactly! First Josh says "I'm not sure why they would have said that..." insinuating that Garr is lying. Then Josh decides to bumble over a few excuses. Classic BFL! If only they could get these simple things right, they wouldn’t have such a backlash. I don’t even know if they mean to do it.

Ohh wow. Check this out: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.985559

Bit-Pay actually was the one who verified I was the first order. That's even more reliable than a temporary employee of BFL!

This means that it is very probable that BFL is straight up lying, and shipping units to people who promise to promote their products.


Just to be clear: An honest mistake is perfectly acceptable in my mind; we're humans after all. Lying, however, is not acceptable IMO.
(Credit for finding that goes to an anonymous "friend", you know who you are Smiley)

Wow, that stinks to high heaven!
sr. member
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June 21, 2013, 09:10:42 PM
Now, we have also been asked to "confirm" our preorder which removes the ability to cancel it or get a refund.
Source on this? There's actually a bet for this on one of those bitcoin betting sites!
They did it a while back when they changed the specs from 60Ghs to 50Ghs.
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June 21, 2013, 09:01:48 PM
Now, we have also been asked to "confirm" our preorder which removes the ability to cancel it or get a refund.
Source on this? There's actually a bet for this on one of those bitcoin betting sites!
legendary
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June 21, 2013, 08:48:58 PM
Guys, the payment in BTC/$USD/Euro/Bitpay/Blahblah issue has officially been beat to death. Then stomped on. Then put through a blender.

Please, PLEASE let it go guys. Or take it to PMs or another thread. This thread is about a 50gh miner that shipped.

#1
question is, you obviously ordered a 60gh unit as an early preorder, so where are your extra 10gh? Have they contacted you about this?

These units were shipped out of order. It may have well been a 50GH/s order

#2[/b], did you tell BFL that you were going to auction it? I think if you had, they probably would not have shipped it to you. What do you think?

Before anyone bids on it, visit http://www.coinish.com/calc/#

#3[/b], It has been 1 year and still only a handful of units have shipped, mostly to media outlets and various BFL "friends" who gladly promote for them. Now, we have also been asked to "confirm" our preorder which removes the ability to cancel it or get a refund. All of this seems fairly shady and ponzi-like. Old customers now cant get refunds, and BFL spends 99% of their time and effort securing new preorders. Granted, BFL may have had the best of intentions when they started their ASIC project, but at this point Im highly concerned because:   
Frankly, at this point I am glad BFL is doing this to their customers because their customers come here and demand the nay-sayers to "take it to PMs" and "stop beating dead horses".  Grin

#4, BFL is now looking at myriad lawsuits and local/state/federal investigations, at some point its fairly reasonable to speculate they will get tripped up on one of these and may be forced to dissolve, with all remaining customer funds being lost. Aside from the fact that its clearly not worth it to order anything from them now, in my view its clearly now a race vs time before their company implodes.
Nah, I think they will survive. The Bitcoin ecosystem has enough people willing to give them cash. Ecosystems need predators to cull the herd. BFL is useful in this regard.
hero member
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June 21, 2013, 08:41:19 PM
Guys, the payment in BTC/$USD/Euro/Bitpay/Blahblah issue has officially been beat to death. Then stomped on. Then put through a blender.

Please, PLEASE let it go guys. Or take it to PMs or another thread. This thread is about a 50gh miner that shipped.

#1
question is, you obviously ordered a 60gh unit as an early preorder, so where are your extra 10gh? Have they contacted you about this?

#2
, did you tell BFL that you were going to auction it? I think if you had, they probably would not have shipped it to you. What do you think?

#3
, It has been 1 year and still only a handful of units have shipped, mostly to media outlets and various BFL "friends" who gladly promote for them. Now, we have also been asked to "confirm" our preorder which removes the ability to cancel it or get a refund. All of this seems fairly shady and ponzi-like. Old customers now cant get refunds, and BFL spends 99% of their time and effort securing new preorders. Granted, BFL may have had the best of intentions when they started their ASIC project, but at this point Im highly concerned because:   

#4, BFL is now looking at myriad lawsuits and local/state/federal investigations, at some point its fairly reasonable to speculate they will get tripped up on one of these and may be forced to dissolve, with all remaining customer funds being lost. Aside from the fact that its clearly not worth it to order anything from them now, in my view its clearly now a race vs time before their company implodes.
legendary
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June 21, 2013, 08:34:18 PM
I think people should look at it this way, what if their 300BTC was now worth $0.50 would they still want BTC or the USD value they paid?

Kinda put things in perspective eh!
I wouldn't worry too much, the only people in denial of how currency conversion works with online purchases, are either trolls or greedy. Most normal people already know you often have to covert back and forth between currencies when you by online or get a refund.

Funny, I link to Paypals refund policy which is exactly in accordance what I have been proposing BFL should do for it's customers who paid in BTC.
All Erk does is show up and say "NUH UH!!".

Telling.
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