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Topic: Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free - page 12. (Read 20726 times)

staff
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The Naija & BSFL Sherrif 📛
Quote from: LoyceV to answer 2
It depends Wink I assume an established member would know they'd qualify.
This is the same as saying it's a personal judgment thing, this is going to roam about some certain group, clubs, or maybe trustees,  there should be some sort of requirements to be a voucher, so everybody would have a chance.

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Tagging a defaulter? Like oh yeh this user abused the whitelist system? Is it? Or is there something I'm getting wrong about your answer?

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I like to think my loyalty is not for sale.
If you trust Alice and Bob to be a voucher there is every penchant that either of them would be trading the process without your consent, you may not be the bad guy but what about your qualified voucher? Can you say the same about them?
hero member
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A very nice development indeed, as this has been an issue that has plagued the system for so long as to the proximity of new members to the forum. Though, there are aspects to the solution as we have it now that we have to look at closely and subjectively so as not to constitute a problem. Some of those includes;

1. Its not strange that ban evading users would want to leverage the whitelisting for an advantage and as such, telling the difference would constitute a problem as, those for whom this opportunity is avail to are most likely to be ignorant of its existence especially those who arrived here by them surfing the net. Those whom are introduced might would have the upper hand here.

I. In order to ensure those that are introduced and those whom found out about the forum by chance, I would like to suggest the default message that request a fee for whitelisting should also come with an info of this development. Hence, reading in detail becomes distinguishing factor and a newbie who doesn't read, don't portray much of a learner that would add to the forum.

2. We all know that true newbies to the forum and cryptos always have one thing in common which is, limited knowledge in the field. Though, you aren't asking them to tell you about bitcoin and stuff like that but then, they are unlikely to have the kind of idea that would bring them about the kind of expression to get whitelisted and make them stay without having someone tell them what to do or how to go about it.

Vouching is a personal addition of LoyceV, although I except other users with whitelisting powers to adot it. Vouchers do not really have anything to trade as their opinion is only as valid as other users view it.

P.S; I'll update this thread asap with my email address for whitelisting.
For some reasons this might need a bit of clarity by LoyceV because, my idea of Vouching for someone brings me to the point of standing in for a shortee or like putting in your foot to say, I trust and what ever effect that might arise from this user can be pinned on me. I really hope this isn't the case because, humans do change and the user you vouched for might be good today but turns to something else tomorrow.
Another issue I'm finding with Vouching someone is the fact that, from the way the forum works, you automatically project yourself to be studied against that user for the build up of a relationship. Either as an alt or merit wise and any evil at all. It doesn't seem so idea to me should tred this part.

But then, I'm in for the whitelisting, we need that on the forum. Thanks to the brains behind this idea and the convincing.
legendary
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1. If I vouch for someone and he/she end up getting banned what chances do I have to vouch again?
Someone would only consider your vouch cause of your integrity, so each user puts that at stake each time they vouch for someone, if your integrity reduces so does the strength of your vouches.

3. What are the prophylactic measures put in place to make sure this system is not hijacked /abused by the vouchers? We know everything is tradeable nowadays.
Vouching is a personal addition of LoyceV, although I except other users with whitelisting powers to adot it. Vouchers do not really have anything to trade as their opinion is only as valid as other users view it.

P.S; I'll update this thread asap with my email address for whitelisting.
staff
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3. What are the prophylactic measures put in place to make sure this system is not hijacked /abused by the vouchers? We know everything is tradeable nowadays.
If this were to become a problem, I'm sure theymos would pitch in with some guidance on the matter. Time being, those that vouch particularly bad users to be whitelisted, will probably lose integrity. Ideally, if you are vouching for someone, you should be absolutely confident that they aren't going to be problematic. Otherwise, its up to them to convince those that can whitelist them, themselves without someone acting as a voucher.
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
1. If I vouch for someone and he/she end up getting banned what chances do I have to vouch again?
Your chances to vouch decrease if your judgement is flawed.

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2.  And what are the criteria an established members must posses to be a voucher? Is it by reputation? By rank? By personal judgment?
It depends Wink I assume an established member would know they'd qualify.

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3. What are the prophylactic measures put in place to make sure this system is not hijacked /abused by the vouchers?
The DT-system Cheesy

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We know everything is tradeable nowadays.
I like to think my loyalty is not for sale.
staff
Activity: 1316
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The Naija & BSFL Sherrif 📛
1. If I vouch for someone and he/she end up getting banned what chances do I have to vouch again?

2.  And what are the criteria an established members must posses to be a voucher? Is it by reputation? By rank? By personal judgment?

3. What are the prophylactic measures put in place to make sure this system is not hijacked /abused by the vouchers? We know everything is tradeable nowadays.

Sounds like we are going to have a referral link very soon.
staff
Activity: 3304
Merit: 4115
I'll try to look at it daily, and be prepared to exchange messages back, and forth. I won't whitelist unless I'm absolutely convinced that its the right thing to do. I'll probably keep an eye on those whitelisted by myself, and any publicly maintained list.
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If any established user wants to vouch for another user, and request for them to be whitelisted, please feel free to contact me via personal message on forum.
legendary
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Merit: 3406
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If other users with Whitelisting "powers" want to add their email to the list, please post in this topic.
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Thanks Smiley
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021

Statistics
  • Users who never posted: 120
  • Total Merit earned: 10801
  • Total users banned: 5

Users whitelisted by me without a request (not counted in Statistics)
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
Users whitelisted by me after a request
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
Bitcointalk uses proxybans against spammers:
When you register, the IP that you used when you submitted the registration form is used to calculate your evilness. The more frequently this IP or its neighbors were banned, the more evil is associated with your account. The amount of evil associated with an IP decays slowly over time, but the amount of evil associated with an account does not. You must pay or be manually whitelisted to enable posting on one of these "banned" accounts.
Sometimes, innocent people become collateral damage. This is generally considered as unfair and very unwelcoming.
Thanks to theymos, I can now Whitelist users, so I can help to correct this.

Background
Only abused IP ranges have to pay a fee. The fee is an anti-abuse measure, and it is not meant to be (and isn't) much of a source of revenue.

If any very-veteran members want to volunteer, I can give you the ability to whitelist users. (All Staff can already whitelist users, as well.) Perhaps then someone could create a topic like "List of email addresses for people who can whitelist you for free", which I could link-to on the evil fee page. However, these IPs have evil for a reason. If it was sufficient for them to just solve a captcha or something, I'd have them do that. Before whitelisting someone, you have to do something to be pretty sure that they're not evading a ban and just going to get banned again. You may get the impression from complaints on the forum that everyone hits the fee and it's never warranted, but this is selection bias: the fee is more rare, and the vast majority of accounts that hit it should not be whitelisted.

Freedom!
Welcome to Bitcointalk! I'll give you a very short introduction of what makes Bitcointalk unique. First: note that scams are not moderated! If something looks too good to be true, you are going to get scammed. Use common sense, and don't trust random strangers on the internet with your money.
Bitcointalk offers more freedom than any other forum I know. You can choose to be an asshole or you can be a nice person. It's entirely up to you how you want to come across. If you're a snowflake, you might get offended. That's okay.
You're allowed to earn money or do business here. Your freedom is mainly limited by the forum rules.
Warning: unlike most websites, Bitcointalk does not allow plagiarism. This will get you banned! It's very easy to prevent: if you quote someone, give them the credit they deserve.

Banned?
If your account was banned for breaking the forum rules, you deserve the units of evil and aren't allowed to create a new account. Please don't ask me to whitelist you.

How to get your Proxyban removed?
I can only whitelist you if I know you exist. There are 2 options:
1. Convince me
Send me an email:
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Now the tricky part: apart from including your Bitcointalk username, you'll need to convince me you deserve it. I know this sucks, and I hate jumping through hoops too. But it's the best I can do to help new Bitcointalk users without giving spammers a free pass.
You don't need to send me your IP-address or real name. I can't believe I have to add this: DO NOT send me a picture of a passport!
Or (not "and") email someone else:

2. Get someone to vouch for you
I know several personal examples of people who I invited to join bitcointalk forum and they couldn't registered because they got evil fee notification and asked to pay with Bitcoin.
If an established member knows you personally, they can post your username in this topic for whitelisting. Don't PM me, keep it public. I won't accept vouches from for instance a bounty hunter with 1000 Activity and 0 earned Merit.

Ease PM restrictions
PM-restrictions are very tight on Newbies (thanks to spammers in the past):
ActivityMax recipientsMax recipients if whitelistedMax PMs per hourMax PMs per hour if whitelistedMax PMs per dayMax PMs per day if whitelisted
02101402120
15310104015120
If you're a Newbie with a legitimate reason to increase this, please post in this topic.
If you're an established member talking to a Newbie who can't message you back: please post!

Full transparency
I'll post all whitelisted users in this topic. They can expect scrutiny. If you're a real user and don't deserve the "evil" label, this scrutiny can lead to earning some Merit. If you turn out to be a spammer, I'll report you myself.
Another reason for full transparency is to assess my judgement on who to whitelist.

Alternative
Instead of getting whitelisted or paying for evil fees, you can opt to buy a Copper membership.
If other users with Whitelisting "powers" want to add their email to the list, please post in this topic.
Newbies: don't spam the same email to the entire list, emailing one person should be enough.

Pay the evil fee by exchanging altcoins
I feel like I'm Bitcointalk's helpdesk now: so many people assume it's my site. It's not!
People ask help in paying small amounts of Bitcoin, or ask if I (yes "I") accept altcoins. I usually suggest FixedFloat.com to exchange small amounts of altcoin to Bitcoin at a low fee, but just in case: Do Your Own Research before trusting any site.
I also recommend using your own Bitcoin wallet (such as Electrum) instead of exchanges with very high withdrawal fees, especially the sneaky ones like Binance who try to convince people to accept their own made-up tokens instead of real Bitcoin. And again: do your own research, and make sure you don't download malware.

Disclaimer
I'll use my own judgement who to whitelist. Please make a compelling argument.
This topic is "work in progress". If I need to add something, please let me know.

No spam
Self-moderated to prevent spam and off-topic posts.

Don't forget
Whitelisting is a not a license to spam. You will be immediately banned if you're found spamming, even if you bought a copper membership (and you will not be refunded).
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