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It is now completely obvious that Russia’s plan to blackmail European countries by cutting off gas supplies to these countries has completely failed. In the end, Russia only made things worse for itself. Europe, although experiencing certain difficulties, is quite successfully switching to other gas suppliers. But for Russia it is much more difficult to find markets for gas in such large quantities.

Russia hoped to freeze Europe. But this winter there are big difficulties with heating only in Russia. Near Moscow and in other regions, entire settlements are freezing in their houses and apartments due to problems with housing and communal services. People warm themselves in the streets near the fire.
The efforts made by Europe toward Russia will, of course, be rewarded with something that Europe really needs and that Russia has, but perhaps the scenario that was created did not work out as you said because it did not go according to the desired scenario; it ended up happening to ourselves. Of course, this is beyond predictions. and this is not taken into account; this is all because Europe can look for other alternatives to meet its needs.

But for me, this is a lesson for all: war and the impact of embargoes do not always apply; no one benefits from this kind of method, and gradually it will make things difficult for everyone. It is to be able to find the best way for the common good. Remember,  when COVID hits, everyone can unite to solve it, and it can be done because there is cooperation and mutual understanding.

Of course, the international economic sanctions imposed against Russia are not the most effective option that would force Russia to abandon the military takeover of the neighboring state of Ukraine. These sanctions hit both the state against which they are imposed and those who accept them. In addition, there are many ways to bypass them. But the point is that sanctions hit the sanctioned state much more painfully.

It would be much more effective if the UN had rapid-reaction peacekeeping troops and they were deployed to quickly end the military conflict. The very presence of such forces would cool the violent heads of the current potential conquerors. But unfortunately, we don’t have this, and we don’t have more effective ways of influencing the aggressor either.
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It is now completely obvious that Russia’s plan to blackmail European countries by cutting off gas supplies to these countries has completely failed. In the end, Russia only made things worse for itself. Europe, although experiencing certain difficulties, is quite successfully switching to other gas suppliers. But for Russia it is much more difficult to find markets for gas in such large quantities.

Russia hoped to freeze Europe. But this winter there are big difficulties with heating only in Russia. Near Moscow and in other regions, entire settlements are freezing in their houses and apartments due to problems with housing and communal services. People warm themselves in the streets near the fire.
The efforts made by Europe toward Russia will, of course, be rewarded with something that Europe really needs and that Russia has, but perhaps the scenario that was created did not work out as you said because it did not go according to the desired scenario; it ended up happening to ourselves. Of course, this is beyond predictions. and this is not taken into account; this is all because Europe can look for other alternatives to meet its needs.

But for me, this is a lesson for all: war and the impact of embargoes do not always apply; no one benefits from this kind of method, and gradually it will make things difficult for everyone. It is to be able to find the best way for the common good. Remember,  when COVID hits, everyone can unite to solve it, and it can be done because there is cooperation and mutual understanding.
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It is now completely obvious that Russia’s plan to blackmail European countries by cutting off gas supplies to these countries has completely failed. In the end, Russia only made things worse for itself. Europe, although experiencing certain difficulties, is quite successfully switching to other gas suppliers. But for Russia it is much more difficult to find markets for gas in such large quantities.

Russia hoped to freeze Europe. But this winter there are big difficulties with heating only in Russia. Near Moscow and in other regions, entire settlements are freezing in their houses and apartments due to problems with housing and communal services. People warm themselves in the streets near the fire.
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Revenue of Russia's largest oil and gas companies almost halved.

Revenue of the largest oil and gas companies in Russia fell by 41% in January-September 2023, the Central Bank of Russia said in Thursday's Financial Stability Review.

"This was due to the deterioration of the price environment and a decline in exports amid tougher sanctions, restructuring of logistics chains and financial flows," the review said.

http://cbr.ru/Collection/Collection/File/46610/2_3_q_2023.pdf - report of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation  Grin


Putin said there was no money for the program to support young scientists...
PS "Things were not going badly in the village. One could even say good. But every day things were getting worse and worse"  Grin
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^^^ You are saying that Russian gas industry has "collapsed". But the numbers doesn't add up. I will agree that the volumes have got reduced. Compared to 2021, there is a reduction of 24%. But the increase in prices have nullified any negative impact that comes as a result of this. Back in 2020, natural gas used to cost around $150 per thousand cubic meters. Now the Dutch TTF prices are around $400 per thousand cubic meters. Even if Russia exports half as much as gas as they did previously, they will earn the same revenues from their gas.


That's right, while the price has not yet fallen to historic lows Smiley
But for some reason you forgot to say that:
1. Gas prices in Europe have dropped below $300 per 1,000 cubic meters. Gas futures prices are at a two-year low. There's a surplus of gas on the market and industry in Europe and China has so far been unable to increase demand, Bloomberg said. The cost of contracts for June natural gas supplies at the TTF hub in the Netherlands fell below $300 per 1,000 cubic meters during trading. As of 12:50 Moscow time, the futures were at a low of €25.8 per 1 MW∙h. That's about 7.1% less than it was at the close of trading on May 24 and the lowest value since June 2021. The amount corresponds to about €272.2 per 1,000 cubic meters, or about $292 at the current exchange rate.
And about a year ago it was 5 times higher !
Or it's not interesting ?  Smiley

There was a small jump in price after one of the Dutch fields stopped, but now the volumes have compensated and the price went down again, now about 360...

This post is a great proof that you are delusional and have no idea what is going on in real world. EU countries were intensively buying Russian gas in 2022 and now all gas storage sites are full. Just take a look at the graphs. Can you see that huge dildo last year? That's what I'm talking about. But once  they will use up all that stored gas what will happen then? Exactly, they will continue buying like there's no tomorrow. I feel embarrassed just to have to explain this to you like to a toddler or to a retarded person.  Grin
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Due to the fact that Putin’s Russia itself began to blackmail European countries and reduce or even stop gas supplies to them, the Kremlin has driven itself into a dead end from which it can no longer get out. Having lost the European sales market, Russia cannot find other buyers for its energy resources, is forced to make large price concessions and becomes dependent on them.

Now Russia is under enormous pressure from China due to the fact that Russia has lost the huge European market for its energy resources and wants to increase their supplies to China fivefold. Taking advantage of this, China demanded new gas discounts from Russia and no longer wants to build the joint mega-project of the Power of Siberia-2 gas pipeline. But if the pipeline is not built, Russia will have nowhere to send huge volumes of gas. Therefore, she already has to reduce the volume of their production.

Russia's budget for next year provides that the average gas price will be $297.3 per thousand cubic meters compared to $501.6 for Europe and Turkey previously. The discount for China in 2024 will increase to 46%: Power of Siberia-1 gas will cost $271.6 per thousand cubic meters, and for Turkey and Europe - $481.7.

At the same time, it must be taken into account that the European market is lost for Russia, if not forever, then for a very long time. Russia is suffering big losses, selling its gas to the East very cheaply in a hopeless situation.

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https://m.gazeta.ua/ru/articles/world-life/_putin-v-tupike-kitaj-davit-na-rossiyu/1165829
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^^^ You are saying that Russian gas industry has "collapsed". But the numbers doesn't add up. I will agree that the volumes have got reduced. Compared to 2021, there is a reduction of 24%. But the increase in prices have nullified any negative impact that comes as a result of this. Back in 2020, natural gas used to cost around $150 per thousand cubic meters. Now the Dutch TTF prices are around $400 per thousand cubic meters. Even if Russia exports half as much as gas as they did previously, they will earn the same revenues from their gas.


That's right, while the price has not yet fallen to historic lows Smiley
But for some reason you forgot to say that:
1. Gas prices in Europe have dropped below $300 per 1,000 cubic meters. Gas futures prices are at a two-year low. There's a surplus of gas on the market and industry in Europe and China has so far been unable to increase demand, Bloomberg said. The cost of contracts for June natural gas supplies at the TTF hub in the Netherlands fell below $300 per 1,000 cubic meters during trading. As of 12:50 Moscow time, the futures were at a low of €25.8 per 1 MW∙h. That's about 7.1% less than it was at the close of trading on May 24 and the lowest value since June 2021. The amount corresponds to about €272.2 per 1,000 cubic meters, or about $292 at the current exchange rate.
And about a year ago it was 5 times higher !
Or it's not interesting ?  Smiley

There was a small jump in price after one of the Dutch fields stopped, but now the volumes have compensated and the price went down again, now about 360...
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^^^ You are saying that Russian gas industry has "collapsed". But the numbers doesn't add up. I will agree that the volumes have got reduced. Compared to 2021, there is a reduction of 24%. But the increase in prices have nullified any negative impact that comes as a result of this. Back in 2020, natural gas used to cost around $150 per thousand cubic meters. Now the Dutch TTF prices are around $400 per thousand cubic meters. Even if Russia exports half as much as gas as they did previously, they will earn the same revenues from their gas.
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The failed attempt to freeze Europe in order to secure concessions on Ukraine has caused a collapse for the Russian gas industry that it has not seen in half a century of its modern history. Gas production in the Russian Federation has been declining for the second year in a row, and compared to pre-war levels, it has decreased by 24%, follows from the statistics of Rosstat. In May, according to official data, the country produced 48.2 billion cubic meters of gas, although in the same month of 2022 it was 57.5 billion cubic meters, and in pre-war May 2021 - 63.1 billion cubic meters.

Possessing the world's largest gas reserves, estimated at 67 trillion cubic meters, Russia found itself unable to sell it after the Kremlin first demanded that European customers pay for supplies "in rubles", and then successively cut off all countries that refused to accept the ultimatum from the pipeline .

In Russia, the extra gas simply has nowhere to go: about 90 billion cubic meters of annual production is left without buyers. China, according to the plan for the operation of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline, will buy 22 billion cubic meters of gas this year: 7 times less than the European Union imported before the war. And Putin's proposal to increase pumping to 100 billion cubic meters, voiced at a meeting with Xi Jinping in the Kremlin, remained unanswered. Instead of a new Russian pipe, China gave the go-ahead to a gas pipeline project from Turkmenistan.

It is already quite obvious that the Kremlin has committed an irreparable stupidity with the gas war with Europe and will no longer be able to get out of its own trap.
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There was a certain bafflement with the mouthpieces specially in UK that I was monitoring with rushed propaganda that they were producing every second. It went from changing the terminology they used for Wagner group from "terrorist" to "freedom fighters" to crazy fake news they reported from the usual "unnamed reliable sources" about how Russian government has fallen and Putin has fled the country because Moscow is occupied by the Wagner group!!!
Did any media said that Wagner Group people were freedom fighters? Cause I haven't heard that but I heard that they were happy because there was an inner escalation in Russia between two powerful people, Prigozhin and Putin.
If anyone was really thinking that Prigozhin and his group Wagner are freedom fighters, then that person is seriously dumb and lacks critical thinking. To be honest, it will be far more dangerous if we see Prigozhin instead of Putin. By the way, it's still a mystery, what actually happened and why. Prigozhin and Putin make a deal, then day(s) after the pentagon states 6.2 billion missing in an accounting error.

Such a high level of confusion with rushed propaganda where their contents are all over the place and even contradicting each other at times, is very rare in Western Propaganda agencies which are the leaders of brainwashing techniques.
Historically speaking such a situation only happens when they are too desperate and all their previous plans have failed (clear from the increasing number of anti-NATO protests across Europe) so they have to go back to old schemes they've already tried in the past or in other countries.
There is no one as successful in Brainwashing as Russia is and has been since the existence of Soviet Union. C'mon, they have a Lenin's Mausoleum, people still pray for Stalin and wish him to be alive despite the fact that Stalin brutally killed their father or mother or siblings for no reason.

To be honest, one can't really understand what is right and what is wrong via media. The best way to understand is to be in that area in that moment, otherwise you don't really know what happened. Not even reading of news from tons of different media is going to help you in this case.
Regarding PMC "Wagner", in fact, this is actually a structural military unit of Russia. It was created to conduct military operations on the territory of foreign states, when it was necessary to hide its belonging to Russia as a state. The sign of a private military formation was best suited for this. But recently, Putin was forced to admit that only from May 2022 to May 2023, 86 billion rubles were allocated from the budget for the maintenance of members of the Wagner PMC and incentive payments and another 110 billion rubles for insurance payments.

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https://www.dw.com/ru/putin-priznal-sponsirovanie-cvk-vagner-gosudarstvom/a-66046461#:~:

In Russia under Putin, everything is usually built on lies, and lies cannot be hidden for long, because the situation is constantly changing.

I'm not sure what is so surprising about this fact. In case you didn't know Wagner is a private military company or mercenaries. And guess what? You have to pay mercenaries in order to hire them! Imagine that? So why you call it lies? It was clear since day 1 Putin was paying them.
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By the way, it's still a mystery, what actually happened and why.
This whole event was definitely the weirdest thing this year. One theory I heard which sounded interesting was that Putin wanted to remove a potential future threat to Russia this is also why he has been removing all extremists from the military and his cabinet in general. The last piece of the puzzle was the Wagner group which they said they must only operate under the Russian military's command from now on.
I do not think that the last theory is valid for verification as much as it resembles a trap to trap them all, especially since all reports indicate that Russia does not know who these fighters are or their nationalities because they are supposed to be mercenaries. This is in addition to the fact that the process of containing this group, if it actually happened, would prove Russia’s official involvement in all the operations carried out by Wagner in various regions around the world, such as Syria, Libya and Venezuela, which Russia has always denied since it does not officially support the Wagner group as a private military company, since Russian laws do not allow this.
One of the important operations of this group has been in Africa where they kicked French forces out. Interestingly enough after these shenanigans Wagner still continues operating in Africa like before despite France hoping something would change so they could move in again.

Not only in Africa. This group was operating as the active military arm of a force similar to the local efforts of the resistance in any country in which they were active, and this explains why it was not taken into consideration as a hostile force with the logic of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." This also explains the eagerness of the anti-Russian forces to support Wagner's coup against it, without taking into account the political branches in the Kremlin.
France's current situation does not serve its position claiming to protect human rights, and it will have nothing to explain the interference of external forces in its internal affairs, including the logistical support that groups like Wagner or others may provide.


In Russia, it's a matter of hours to go from the beloved hero to the hated "enemy" Smiley Yesterday they were greeted in Voronezh and Rostov as liberators, applauded and photographed. And the central government presented them as heroes "of all outlets. And tomorrow they suddenly became "conspirators" Smiley
But let's leave this subject to the Russians - it's their mental problem.

The Wagner PMC is not only fighters, it is a "black economy".  Through the Wagner PMCs in Africa was built quite a profitable business associated with gold and other valuable minerals. This is no longer a secret. And it is not Prigozhin's money that was invested in Wagner PMCs, but the Kremlin's. This is also no secret, and quite recently this has been in public sources in Russia itself.

But ... As the saying goes, "No matter how much you twist the rope, the end will come" and so will Wagner PMC.
- January 2023, the U.S. recognized the Wagner PMC as a criminal organization and imposed sanctions on companies associated with it. The U.S. Treasury Department recognized the Eugene Prigozhin's Vagner PMC as a transnational criminal organization, the agency's website reported on Thursday.
- 14 March 2023 The first EU country recognized the Wagner PMC as a terrorist organization. The Lithuanian parliament has recognized the Wagner PMC, involved in a full-scale war against Ukraine, as a terrorist organization, which became the first such case in the European Union.
- 10 May 2023 French Parliament recognized the Wagner PMC as a terrorist organization
- June 2023, the European Parliament is preparing to declare the Wagner PMC a terrorist organization.

What does this mean? This means that now with respect to any person who is a member of these PMCs, from the rank-and-file to Prigozhin, no rules of law are applicable. They will simply be destroyed. Forget about business at all.
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By the way, it's still a mystery, what actually happened and why.
This whole event was definitely the weirdest thing this year. One theory I heard which sounded interesting was that Putin wanted to remove a potential future threat to Russia this is also why he has been removing all extremists from the military and his cabinet in general. The last piece of the puzzle was the Wagner group which they said they must only operate under the Russian military's command from now on.
I do not think that the last theory is valid for verification as much as it resembles a trap to trap them all, especially since all reports indicate that Russia does not know who these fighters are or their nationalities because they are supposed to be mercenaries. This is in addition to the fact that the process of containing this group, if it actually happened, would prove Russia’s official involvement in all the operations carried out by Wagner in various regions around the world, such as Syria, Libya and Venezuela, which Russia has always denied since it does not officially support the Wagner group as a private military company, since Russian laws do not allow this.
One of the important operations of this group has been in Africa where they kicked French forces out. Interestingly enough after these shenanigans Wagner still continues operating in Africa like before despite France hoping something would change so they could move in again.

Not only in Africa. This group was operating as the active military arm of a force similar to the local efforts of the resistance in any country in which they were active, and this explains why it was not taken into consideration as a hostile force with the logic of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." This also explains the eagerness of the anti-Russian forces to support Wagner's coup against it, without taking into account the political branches in the Kremlin.
France's current situation does not serve its position claiming to protect human rights, and it will have nothing to explain the interference of external forces in its internal affairs, including the logistical support that groups like Wagner or others may provide.
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Another compilation of news from a country that is not affected by sanctions and the loss of markets will not affect the economy in any way Smiley

- MOSCOW, June 30 (Reuters) - The Russian Finance Ministry plans to place ruble-denominated bonds worth 1 trillion rubles at face value in the third quarter, the ministry said.
In the second quarter of 2023, the Finance Ministry has already attracted almost 836 billion rubles at the expense of OFZs. In mid-June, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov lamented that the state banks, which had become the main buyers of Russian ruble bonds after non-residents left due to sanctions, have recently been reluctant to buy OFZs.
Borrowing on the market of ruble-denominated government debt is one of the main sources of repayment of the RF budget deficit, which amounted to 3.3 trillion rubles, or 2.3% of GDP at the end of last year

- The ruble, which has fallen to a multimonth low, is losing 10% in June and 15% in Q2

- Gazprom shareholders approve decision not to pay dividends for 22
They recently decided not to pay for 2021, now for 2022. The official reason is the concern's income is falling due to a sharp decrease in gas exports to Europe. Gazprom's IFRS net profit in 2022 fell 41% to 1.226 trillion rubles.

Reuters calculates that the company made a net loss of 1.27 trillion rubles in the second half of last year, which ate up half of Gazprom's profits for the first half of the year.

- Reuters. West Siberian crude prices on the Russian market rose by an average of 2,500 rubles to 34,300-34,500 rubles per tonne in July trading volumes against a collapse in the ruble-dollar exchange rate, Reuters monitoring showed. They rose in RUR, because the RUR has collapsed. But presented as "Russian oil shows steady growth, Western sanctions have not affected" Smiley))

And then we move on to the derivatives of "greatness," namely russia's technological backwardness.
- Russians will be allowed to dramatically increase the price of communications due to degradation of networks!
The strategy for the industry until 2035 states that Russia's lagging behind in terms of fixed network speed in the world rankings is getting worse, providers' revenues are stagnating.
 This means that the great country, claiming to have the most powerful potential, can neither buy nor produce BS for mobile networks. Where is the help from "big brother" China? Smiley))

- Degradation of the space industry of the USSR of Russia shows new "peaks": Roscosmos offered African countries to build an orbital station together ! Before that, let me remind you - Russia's partner in the development of space programs was the country of... attention... drumroll... Zimbabwe ! Smiley
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By the way, it's still a mystery, what actually happened and why.
This whole event was definitely the weirdest thing this year. One theory I heard which sounded interesting was that Putin wanted to remove a potential future threat to Russia this is also why he has been removing all extremists from the military and his cabinet in general. The last piece of the puzzle was the Wagner group which they said they must only operate under the Russian military's command from now on.
I do not think that the last theory is valid for verification as much as it resembles a trap to trap them all, especially since all reports indicate that Russia does not know who these fighters are or their nationalities because they are supposed to be mercenaries. This is in addition to the fact that the process of containing this group, if it actually happened, would prove Russia’s official involvement in all the operations carried out by Wagner in various regions around the world, such as Syria, Libya and Venezuela, which Russia has always denied since it does not officially support the Wagner group as a private military company, since Russian laws do not allow this.
Laws in Russia are written for the people, the government itself has not been fulfilling them for a long time. The attack on Ukraine clearly proved this. Until recently, Putin managed both the government and the State Duma in manual mode. The war of defeat in Ukraine, and especially the last failed campaign of the Wagnerites against Moscow, showed that Putin is losing power and authority, and is no longer in control of events in Russia.

PMC "Wagner" is a state military unit, which has always been funded from the budget. Since the Wagnerites, led by Prigozhin, did not want to sign a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense and showed defiance and relative independence, Putin was recently forced to announce data that 196 billion rubles were allocated from the budget for the Wagner PMC in the last year alone. This military unit was formed to carry out military operations outside of Russia, where Russia, as a state, did not want to act openly. But heavy military losses in Ukraine forced this unit to be transferred to Ukraine as well. And mercenarism in Russia is still prohibited.
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And the 6 Ukrainian citizens who posted the video were sentenced to 8 years in prison for publishing the video proof of the useless Patriot system being destroyed easily which harms the US arms industry Tongue

MIM-104 Patriot is not considered to be the best air-defense system available in the world. Recently, this system failed to prevent the Houthi rebels from targeting various oil refineries and storage facilities in Saudi Arabia using crude rockets. One of the staunches allies of the US, Turkey chose to purchase the S-400 system over the Patriot. The Russo-Ukrainian war has given an avenue for the Americans to get rid of these useless systems, in the name of defense aid to Ukraine. From what I have heard, these systems have proved quite inefficient against the Russian cruise and ballistic missiles.


We include your "logic" Smiley
1. Hamas has proven that all existing missile weapons from market leaders are crap! Hamas opts for the super-unique Qassam, Grad missiles and long-range Fajr missiles.Everything else is crap!
2. The tank market fell into a deep depression. Abrams, Merkava, Leopard and others - complete crap!
Mali, Republic of the Congo, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Namibia, Cuba, North Korea and Laos - they can't be wrong! T-34 is the best tank in the world. The rest of the tanks are crap!
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I can go on for a long time, but tell me - it sounds, to put it mildly, "ridiculous"?! this is exactly what your statement looks like Smiley

PS Strongly, 100500 times I recommend - STUDY subject areas, otherwise you will be laughed at in public. Purchase of C400 by Turkey - learn why it happened? Smiley
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By the way, it's still a mystery, what actually happened and why.
This whole event was definitely the weirdest thing this year. One theory I heard which sounded interesting was that Putin wanted to remove a potential future threat to Russia this is also why he has been removing all extremists from the military and his cabinet in general. The last piece of the puzzle was the Wagner group which they said they must only operate under the Russian military's command from now on.
I do not think that the last theory is valid for verification as much as it resembles a trap to trap them all, especially since all reports indicate that Russia does not know who these fighters are or their nationalities because they are supposed to be mercenaries. This is in addition to the fact that the process of containing this group, if it actually happened, would prove Russia’s official involvement in all the operations carried out by Wagner in various regions around the world, such as Syria, Libya and Venezuela, which Russia has always denied since it does not officially support the Wagner group as a private military company, since Russian laws do not allow this.
One of the important operations of this group has been in Africa where they kicked French forces out. Interestingly enough after these shenanigans Wagner still continues operating in Africa like before despite France hoping something would change so they could move in again.

Speaking of France, with the recent ongoing "civil war" in France lol people are producing funny stuff mocking the recent propaganda with captions like "Macron has fled the country and 'freedom fighters' have taken over Paris". Cheesy
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"Dagger" is not capable of this. To accelerate it to hypersonic speeds, MiG-31 fighters are used, which themselves have a speed of 2800 km / h. The speed of the aircraft is added to the speed of the "Dagger" itself. And their total speed exceeds Mach 5. Since the rocket itself does not have such a speed, it is called quasi-hypersonic.

At the same time, the most important thing must be understood: in the full sense - a hypersonic weapon, this is one that reaches and hits the target precisely at hypersonic speed! This is the KEY POINT.
The Dagger only on the "almost ballistic" segment (when he turned on the rocket engines, decreases and picks up speed) has a speed close to the hypersonic indicator. But when the rocket enters the final segment, and descends into low, dense layers of the atmosphere, it begins to MANEUVER. At this point, her speed drops SHARPLY. It is on this site that Petriot destroys them. There, the speed is about 2-2.5 MAX, this is quite an acceptable object for Petriot. Plus - this is no longer a process of "catching up" with the Dagger, but the destruction of an object on a head-on course.
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By the way, it's still a mystery, what actually happened and why.
This whole event was definitely the weirdest thing this year. One theory I heard which sounded interesting was that Putin wanted to remove a potential future threat to Russia this is also why he has been removing all extremists from the military and his cabinet in general. The last piece of the puzzle was the Wagner group which they said they must only operate under the Russian military's command from now on.
I do not think that the last theory is valid for verification as much as it resembles a trap to trap them all, especially since all reports indicate that Russia does not know who these fighters are or their nationalities because they are supposed to be mercenaries. This is in addition to the fact that the process of containing this group, if it actually happened, would prove Russia’s official involvement in all the operations carried out by Wagner in various regions around the world, such as Syria, Libya and Venezuela, which Russia has always denied since it does not officially support the Wagner group as a private military company, since Russian laws do not allow this.
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Did any media said that Wagner Group people were freedom fighters?
Yeah, they do things like this all the time, specially on social media. Their operatives on these platforms are trained to swing public opinion about anything or anybody that serves their purpose. So if Wagner suddenly decided to fight Russia that would be in their benefit hence they suddenly become "freedom fighters".

The effectiveness of air defense depends not only on the type of weapons used, but also on the skillful actions of the people who use these weapons.
That is generally true but not about the Patriot system. The US military said these exact words after the Saudi invaders were attacked in retaliation, they claimed that the Saudi operators were newbies and messed up. The next day the US bases were attacked and the Patriot system still remained useless.

Both the sides resort to misinformation, so it is very difficult to get a clear picture. Ukrainians claims to have shot down so many of these missiles (Kh-47M2 Kinzhal).
Lets not forget that the technology that went into Patriot batteries predates the hypersonic era. In other words it is not even designed to intercept anything "fast".
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Both the sides resort to misinformation, so it is very difficult to get a clear picture. Ukrainians claims to have shot down so many of these missiles (Kh-47M2 Kinzhal). But only once did they showed a concrete proof to support their claim. And that was in 10th May, when Vitali Klitschko went on video with fragments from a downed missile. The Russians claimed that those fragments belonged to BETAB-500ShP aerial bomb. According to the Russians, this missile travel at speed of up to Mach 10. However, Ukrainians claim that the maximum speed that they have observed is only around Mach 3.6.
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Dear Sithara007! Well, you are a smart person, but sometimes, for reasons I do not understand, write such nonsense that I am ashamed of you! Smiley

Let's start with a simple statement - the Russian authorities and propaganda always lie. As soon as he opens his mouth, he lies. It's an axiom! I'm sure you understand what this word means Smiley


And now to the thought that "it was not a dagger, but an air bomb XXXXX"
Tell you the physics of launching rockets and bombs? As well as their trajectory, and opportunities?
I'll tell you. For one and others will listen Smiley

Let's start with the theory: BETAB 500 Concrete-piercing free-fall aerial bomb (BetAB) is designed to effectively destroy reinforced concrete pavements and airfield runways. Structurally, it is represented by two main types of bombs: free fall and with jet boosters BETAB-500SHP. Concrete-piercing free-fall bombs are designed for bombing from high altitudes and are structurally very close to standard thick-walled high-explosive bombs. Concrete-piercing bombs with a parachute and a jet booster are used for bombing from any height (including low ones). Due to the parachute, such a bomb tilts up to 60 degrees, after which the parachute comes unfastened and the jet booster is launched.

I hope everything is simple and clear. And I'm sure you read the very important phrase "FREE FALL". Next, what does this mean? I think you have enough honor to admit that the laws of physics very strongly limit the RANGE of free fall of such a charge. And simple knowledge of physics will tell you - in order for such a bomb to penetrate such a range, it had to be dropped from a carrier that way from 250-350 km above the ground! Smiley
Yes, you object - it must have been a BETAB-500SHP with a jet booster!
I answer - study the purpose of this accelerator! It does not add RANGE, it allows you to increase the kinetic energy of the "projectile" before hitting the target, or to make minor adjustments to the point of impact. But it does not make this ammunition a ROCKET or a planning charge. For planning (increasing the range), a planning system is needed. If primitive - WINGS. Like ALL missiles.

And now the MAIN QUESTION - tell us what the route of the aircraft carrier (SU27) should have been to hit an object deep in the territory of Ukraine? Before answering, keep in mind that in the frontline area, Russian planes do not reach the line of operations, and use the "cobration" technique to drop air bombs, including heavy ones ... at a distance of only about a few kilometers!

I hope next time, before reprinting Russian Mass Lie Tools, you will study the subject area a bit so as not to expose yourself to everyone in such an ugly way!

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