Topic: Russian Gas ban - A problem for Europe or suicide for Russia? - page 7. (Read 14450 times)

Dear be.open !
I find you more and more disappointing as you slide down to the utterly primitive and obtuse level of dialogue. No offence - I have a feeling that you live surrounded by idiots, and they can tell any fairy tales and manipulate words, even without much effort!
Another suggestion - you either read only the headlines or do not speak English to understand what is written. Thirdly, WashingtonPost is a society of journalists, including people like Shane Harrisey Souad Mehennet - about whom nothing is known, and who can write whatever they want.
And most importantly: a direct excerpt from the article you cited:

The intelligence report was based on information received from a person in Ukraine. The source's information could not be immediately confirmed, but the CIA shared the report with Germany and other European countries last June, according to several officials familiar with the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss covert intelligence operations and diplomatic discussions.

Question: proof that Ukriana did this, where ?  

And question 2: Who benefited from it ? Apart from the real benefit for russia, which out of habit wanted to cut off the gas, but simply stopping the gas supply would have led to multi-billion dollar payments for breach of contract?  Give me some arguments, but not from the fence, about the benefit to ukraine? We can not increase the flow through the Ukrainian GTS - there are technical limitations, plus we would have screwed our European friends - but Ukraine is not Russia, it has never done such things!

Russian missiles and drones usually arrive in Kyiv at night. If an air raid alarm sounds during the day, it means that some important foreign guest has arrived in Kyiv and you need to make the right impression on him. Today, such a foreign guest is the President of South Africa, Cyril Ramaphosa. So don't worry, South Africa is Russia's BRICS partner, so there will be no missile attacks on Kyiv today and tomorrow.

A little bit about the situation. I'll probably start with the main thing:
We can give the example of Nazi Germany, almost half of the world was involved in the war, but the goal was unambiguously correct - this bastard regime and the world danger in its face, should be DESTROYED. to give Nazism a second chance - it would be suicide. Therefore, all members of the coalition did their best, and the German army and their allies were DESTROYED everywhere from the west coast of Africa to Japan. Rashism is an even nastier, even more inhumane, even more dangerous, regime than Nazism. If you watch their news - at the level of top politicians and official propaganda, they warm up the "public" by pushing the narrative that "the Western (civilized) world MUST be COMPLETELY DESTROYED". that "war is peace", and that more, more often and preferably with nuclear weapons should be killed ! No, they are not idiots on the bench. These are representatives of the Federation Council. This is carried to the masses - by ALL government channels.
Therefore, just as in 1945 and now, half-measures and freezing the conflict will NOT do anything to stop the international aggressor/terrorist. And yes, the price will be high! But if this evil is not stopped - the price will go "to the moon" ...

The second is about the "stalling offensive". A quick offensive is possible only when the enemy is noticeably weaker. In our case, let's be realistic - Russia has advantages in both manpower and quantity (not quality) of weapons. And the option "checkers on holo, and chased the enemy for 100500 kilometers a day". - there will be no such offensive. It is a slow, "broad" operation, subject to the strong resistance of the russian terrorist army.
You can track changes and the real picture on this resource, which is, by the way, very informative, there is a chronology, and you can watch it in action!
https://deepstatemap.live/#6/49.438/32.053


Yes, and if we go back to the economic theme - the conduct of hostilities, and confrontation - is a huge expense. And I'm not hiding it, without the help of our friends and partners in the West, we would most likely already be conducting an all-out guerrilla war, rather than a powerful, systemic confrontation by the AFU forces.  

Although for the west, this is "pennies". And at the same time, I will probably say cynically - it is a profitable investment for the West! Especially when they realized that Russia is a terrorist, but the "second army of the world" is a fake. Yes a lot of "meat attacks", yes a lot of old tanks, but clearly not the "second army of the world"

Right now the eastern borders of the EU, from the direct terror of russia, are protected by Ukraine. And if the war comes to the EU territory - the costs and losses of the EU and NATO bloc, would be disproportionately high.

PS. A bit of interesting information: "the second army of the world", pulled up to the borders of Ukraine X35. Everything would be OK, but... These are anti-ship complexes! That is, designed to combat surface targets. What does it mean? It means that the standard ground/ground or air/ground systems are designed to terrorize civilians, and the shelling in recent months from the Russian side has been limited to civilian objects and residential areas. Kryvyi Rig is an example of "strikes on military targets", as the Russian channels constantly lie.

PS I'm writing back now: Kiev is again under rocket fire from a country of international terrorism. The missiles are flying not at the location of units, but at a simple, peaceful city, at civilians. The air defense system is actively working - thank you for the help of the civilized world in the fight against savages and terrorists!

Well, maybe a recent Washington Post article gives you more confidence? Or is this also an insufficiently reliable pro-Russian source?

Personally, I do not really believe that Ukraine could implement such an operation - it is too difficult. But under pressure from China, they failed to put a brake on the story of undermining the northern streams, and apparently there is no evidence against Russia - and they decided to make Ukraine guilty. Otherwise, the investigation could reach Western special services, and this does not climb into any gates.

It seems that you, in the usual manner of denying reality, take the opinion of some "scribbler" NICOLAS CAMUT, and pass it off as REALITY With such attitudes - you might as well go on to reposting "news" written on the fence or walls of your building Although... You do not surprise me, for an adept of the Russian world, and such news, from the fence, will be "reality", if that position suits you

And in reality - the international recognition of russia as an aggressor country, the Kremlin's underfuhrer is a criminal offender, the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant is a terrorist act organized by the hands of russia. These statuses are official approval at the level of states and governments. Compare the level of quality of information ?


But back to gas and other "joys of the Russian world". I highly recommend listening to this interview. You will probably ask a question - who is Mikhail Krutikhin?
I will answer in advance: Mikhail Krutikhin is a Russian economic analyst, oil and gas market analyst, translator, journalist, historian and orientalist. He is a former editor-in-chief of the American magazine Russian Petroleum Investor. Yes, this is a well-known specialist, not an empty-nester like Nicholas Kamuth

By the way - and I recommend everyone to watch this interview. You can switch the credits to your language, believe me - you will learn a lot of interesting things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lyT-po4qyM&list=PL0X6M583SFO5aQsHjCI5PhozEQLSd3C5F&index=2

Germany is implementing a plan to phase out nuclear energy, adopted back in 2011. The last three nuclear power plants in the country were due to close at the end of 2022. But the situation was changed by Russia's full-scale military invasion of Ukraine. Russian gas deliveries to Germany stopped, and there was a danger of an energy crisis. As a result, Chancellor Olaf Scholz ordered to extend the life of the nuclear power plant until mid-April 2023.

The decision to phase out nuclear power was significantly affected by the disaster at the Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant in Japan in 2011. Therefore, such a decision of the government was made taking into account security and combating the consequences of global climate change in favor of the transition to "green" energy.
However, as the survey showed, about 65 percent of Germans are against the complete cessation of all nuclear power plants.

Meanwhile, Netherlands Set to Close Europe’s Biggest Gas Field in 2023

They were going to close the Groningen field next year, but it looks like it will have to be closed as early as October 1, 2023. Gas prices immediately reacted with a 30% increase. It is even surprising how thin and volatile the gas market in Europe has become after the abandonment of long-term contracts and the transition to a market pricing mechanism.

As far as I can see, the Ukrainian offensive (or, as it is sometimes called, the counter-offensive) is stalling. 

It is likely that Ukraine will not be able to defeat the Russian army (even taking into account the fact that Russia did not conduct a general military mobilization of the male population). 

This means that the war will be fought to the point of exhaustion on both sides.  This means that there are years of positional battles ahead (analogous to the 1st World War).  It is more than likely that in this military confrontation, Russia and Ukraine will lose many of their citizens, and the infrastructure of both countries will be destroyed (degraded). 

And even worse, more and more people will be drawn into the militaristic madness.  War greatly changes people's minds. 

I don't know what this will lead to in the end, but the prospects for both countries, in my opinion, are very negative.  Compared with this circumstance, economic issues - the export of hydrocarbons, etc.  - fade into the background.

You seem to be following the news agenda badly. According to the new fashion, it is now customary to blame not Russia, but Ukraine and personally the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny, who developed and directed the implementation of this terrorist act, for sabotage on the Nord Streams. Oops.

1. To clarify who is delusional and who is not, let's start by publicly explaining what terrorism is and what a terrorist state is? Just do not run away as usual with the words "I have already answered this 100500 times, no more". !

2. you can think any nonsense and even "russia is a great country with the second army in the world, and without russian gas everyone will die of hypothermia". Your mental problems are exclusively your problems ! Although from the outside it looks funny
PS This is on the topic of propaganda and brainwashed

You're thinking with your skull instead of your brain again?
The EU previously had regulations that required unanimous approval by all EU members, any changes. Given that recently one member of the EU began to behave almost like you, they decided that the voice of such a member can be ignored - but what to take from Orban, brainwashed by Moscow's propaganda? Although objectively speaking - no. not brainwashed... He just sold his country to the Kremlin. Well, a kind of Kremlin bedfellow and he is trying to do Hungary too
And now he can piss, jump, squeal, bang his head against the wall - but he won't be able to carry the Kremlin narrative and defend the interests of the Kremlin in the EU any more.

Don't thank me for another lecture, I hope it will be useful and developmental for you

EU wouldn't be EU if there wouldn't be a gazillion exceptions, leaving it up to the member states.

For many years, I mean decades, there was a strong opposition against nuclear energy. That only changed since they started caring (a lot) about CO₂-emissions.

I doubt nuclear power is cheaper than coal. If "the greens" get their way, we'd be back in the dark ages: no gas, no coal, no nuclear, no wind turbines (because they pollute the horizon and kill birds), and probably no electric cars and solar panels too because they're polluting during production.

It's historically grown this way: France is a nuclear power and has a lot of experience with it. The Netherlands had large natural gas reserves, and Germany has large coal (lignite) deposits that can "easily" be surface mined.

The one thing that's always been lacking in Europe, is giving priority to energy security. "We" became too comfortable for too long, and if shit hits the fan, we can't be on our own.

OK.. my mistake. I thought that the directive to reduce gas usage came from the European Union. And good to hear that Netherlands doesn't have any aversion towards nuclear energy. It is outright retarded not to use modern technology, when it is available. It surprises me that the so called "Greens" want to burn coal and lignite to generate electricity, when it can be done at a fraction of the cost using Uranium-235. France is the only country in the EU who refused to bow down to this stupidity and now they are supplying electricity to other EU member nations.

Muahahaha.... I love this guy. Delusional? Brainwashed? Just a paid shill? Who knows, but it's hilarious!  


I thought it has been proved that the Western "three letter agencies" blew up the pipes. There were no Russian vessels and/or submarines around. Even without knowing this fact, why would Russia destroy it's own property worth billions of $$$ and preventing it from earning billions more in gas exports.


Haha do they need the full consensus to accept these changes?  

From the perspective of independent countries with independent rulers, it is of course illogical. But when you think of what countries you are talking about there is a very different picture.
In this case Germany is the loser of WWII and is basically an occupied country with the most number of US military personal and bases "keeping an eye on the country". In fact if we ignore the "hot zones" where US is inciting proxy wars like South Korea (28k troops) the Axis Powers (aka the losers of WWII) are occupied with the largest number of US troops and bases: 35k in Germany (with 0 plants), 25k in Japan (5 plants under full control of US), 13k in Italy (0 plants).

In simple terms in the old unipolar world where US ruled, they'd never allow Germany to have any nuclear program including nuclear energy (power plants), god forbid they have any enriched uranium!!!

This is why Germans have to endure €3 to €8 billion in social costs annually which is primarily due to increased mortality thanks to exposure of the population to pollution produced from dirty fossil fuels that the country burns instead of using the much cleaner nuclear energy.
https://academic.oup.com/jeea/article-abstract/20/3/1311/6520438

Funny nobody else is worried about "incidents" (the reason they claim Germany phased out nuclear energy) and there are no protests against nuclear energy (the social pressure by brainwashed masses to force the German decision makers to phase it out) in any other countries like France where 75% of the energy comes from nuclear energy. Or UK where they are building even more plants or US itself with the largest number of plants and nukes

I'm surprised how wild and inflamed your imagination is. Of course, I read the article, since it is only two screens small, and I know the technique of speed reading. And there is absolutely nothing of what you present as "the point of the article." It’s just that at the end of next year the contract for the supply of gas through Ukraine ends and Khabek is worried that it needs to be extended, which means that Russia and Ukraine will have to sit down at the negotiating table and begin to negotiate at least on this matter. I think this is a fat hint from Germany about the approximate deadline for the end of the conflict as a whole. If the sanctions against Russia do not end in a year and a half, Germany will be completely without pants.

Really great article. Only you read the headline, oh didn't read the article

The point of the article:
- Russia is a terrorist state, and in order to achieve its idiotic goals it can cut off the supply through the Ukrainian GTS. There have been examples, terrorist attacks are normal for Russia - from its citizens being blown up, to blowing up its own gas pipeline, Nord Stream.
- Such a scenario has to be considered because Germany, which has replaced 95+% of Russian gas supplies, will help other countries with OWN gas under current EU law.
- Therefore, those countries that are still dependent on Russian gas should worry in advance about solving the potential problem

By the way, such countries include "the Kremlin's lapdog" Hungary, which is led into the abyss of cooperation with a terrorist country, Orban. It is the Hungarian economy that will be the first to suffer from the economic terror of russia Orban - keep licking the boots of the Kremlin's neo-Furrer

PS. By the way a great piece of news came out the other day: Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the 7 countries of the European Union called for a shift away from the principle of unilateralism in decision-making in the European Union's joint foreign and security policy and for a wider use of voting by a qualified majority. And this means that Hungarian sabotage will now do nothing I hope that Hungary will be kicked out of the EU as well!

Yes, governments are deciding far too much for my liking. But no, there's no need to take it out of context. There's no federal government deciding this, it comes from national governments. In the Netherlands shops are nice and cool, in Germany they're very warm.

Germany shuts down nuclear power plants, the Netherlands wants to build new ones. None of this is based on logic.

Germany Warns of Industry Shutdown If Russian Gas Stops Flowing


What a twist.

The funny part is that over a year ago when I brought up the energy crisis in Europe and how the regimes are enforcing temperature laws certain trolls whom we all know started attacking me and insulting me with accusations that I'm repeating "Putin's propaganda"
Even funnier is that they repeat the same behavior today whenever I start another discussion about a different outcome of the energy crisis in Europe.

LOL.. so this is what is going on in the European Union. The federal government will decide thermostat reading of your air-conditioner. And then some of the posters here claim that everything is well in the EU. Europeans deserve every bit of this. Their aversion to the cleanest and lest-polluting type of energy available (nuclear) is illogical. They will burn lignite, coal and gas to generate electricity, resulting in tens of thousands of deaths as a result of air pollution. They will set up solar and wind farms across thousands of square miles of land, blighting the scenery. But they will never allow the nuclear power plants to operate. What a bunch of lunatics!