Topic: Russian Gas ban - A problem for Europe or suicide for Russia? - page 6. (Read 14504 times)

The Kremlin's lapdog will say whatever the feeding hand tells him to say. Apparently he didn't notice the conflict either, so his suggestion is a waste of time, right?

There are nuances here, though. He probably really did not hear the work of the air defense, because :
1. The entire delegation of "Kremlin dogs" was sent to the bomb shelter. Ukraine is not covered by a "human shield" as they used to do in Russia.
2. The air defense system does not work "in the center of Kiev", its positions are in other places. I recommend studying how air defense sectors are formed to protect an object like a city.
3. 3-5 minutes before the first "arrival" in the direction of Kiev, a warning system went off all over Kiev, notifications and a call to move to bomb shelters and special protected facilities were sent to the cell phones of those who are geographically in Kiev.
In 3-4 km from my window, there was one shooting down which is fixed on a photo and video, from my window you can see the traces of air defense systems and be.open tells me, after reading an incomprehensible post, that nothing happened in Kiev, where I live and am physically present ))))

But be.open, realizing that all his "knowledge" is nonsense, decided to go the way of the classic representative of the Russian world:
- deny everything that is unpleasant, and the facts
- we invent everything that is pleasant and gives "greatness". And pass off as the only truth

be.open - well whence such sharp degradation of arguments and thinking? I even feel sorry for you. You have ceased to be an interesting opponent for dialogue, and have become a primitive translator of lies...

By the way the propaganda media of Russia, confirm the shelling of Kiev on June 16, 2023, i.e. yesterday...
https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/1163126-vsu-reshenie-rossiya
https://ria.ru/20230617/spetsooperatsiya-1878872630.html
https://riamo.ru/article/649446/minoborony-vs-rf-nanesli-gruppovoj-udar-po-odnomu-iz-tsentrov-prinyatiya-reshenij-vsu
https://vz.ru/news/2023/2/17/1199493.html

Considering that there were no more arrivals and damage anywhere else, and the decision-making centers are in Kiev - you look very very stupid right now... Do you really like looking so stupid? : )

Judging by the bravado of the RosSMI , with the usual false assertion "all set targets have been hit", they destroyed General Zaluzhny 5 times  

Regarding "only at night" - yes, I confirm, it is so. Only at night, only on sleeping civilians, ONLY in dwellings. I've seen it all in Kiev... But I haven't seen or heard of any attacks on headquarters, military units or other military facilities. I haven't heard or seen it, and my friends who are now in Kiev units can't confirm that anything "flew" to them either. So yes - the most vile, despicable, cowardly kind of terrorism is Russian terrorism - cynical murder of peaceful citizens of Ukraine... I confirm it as a resident of Kiev, a direct participant of the events

By the way, I noticed a complete historical coincidence between Soviet propaganda and modern Russian propaganda. 1939, the USSR attacked the small independent Finland. Red Army planes bomb the peaceful city of Helsinki...  
"On the same day Soviet aircraft bombed and machine-gunned Helsinki; mostly residential working-class neighborhoods were damaged. In response to protests by European diplomats, Molotov claimed that Soviet planes were dropping bread on Helsinki for the starving population (after which Soviet bombs became known in Finland as 'Molotov bread baskets')."
USSR/Russia = lies, terrorism, meanness, cowardice. Shown in 1939, proven in 2023 !


But back to the topic!

1 . Demand for gas in major European countries remains low, despite lower prices. The slowdown in economic growth is putting pressure on consumption, and buyers are switching to renewable energy sources.
It is reported by Bloomberg.
Fuel demand in Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, France, Spain and the UK fell 9.7% in May from a year earlier, according to S&P Global Commodity Insights. This means that consumption is below last year's level, when the European Union tried to save gas before winter.

2. European Union institutions are negotiating with governments and financial institutions to provide "insurance guarantees" to companies that will store gas in Ukrainian underground storage facilities (UGS).
It is reported by the Financial Times.
This indicator speaks volumes - about the trust in Ukraine, about the technological capabilities of Ukraine, and most importantly - about the victory of Ukraine! It is unlikely that someone would trust a potential loser to be responsible for strategic energy reserves!

If we compare Hitler's fascism, as well as Stalin's, and then Putin's rashism, then the Kremlin deliberately killed Ukrainians much more than Hitler's Germany did. Both of them attacked Ukraine without declaring war, and both of them set themselves the task of destroying Ukraine as a state and carried out demilitarization and denazification, that is, they destroyed Ukrainians as a nation and Ukraine as a state.

The Soviet-Ukrainian war of 1917-1921 ended with the defeat of the Ukrainian People's Republic, the Bolshevik occupation of Ukraine and the entry of the Ukrainian SSR into the Soviet Union in 1922. Since then, the Kremlin has been methodically destroying Ukrainians, their language and culture. Only through the artificially created famines of 1932-1933 and 1946-1947, in which the Bolsheviks took the last grain from Ukrainians and then destroyed it, according to various estimates, they killed from 3.5 to 7 million Ukrainians.

In addition, according to historians, during the political repressions of the late 1930s, 198,918 people were convicted on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, of which about two-thirds were sentenced to death.

The memory of the deceased ancestors of Ukrainians who fought against Nazi Germany offends just the current daily bombing of peaceful Ukrainian cities by the current Russian Nazis and their attempt to destroy Ukraine by war and force.

Are you justifying the people who killed one-sixth of the total population of Ukraine? This is beyond pathetic. The population of Ukraine as of 1941 was 41,340,000. Out of this, 1,650,000 joined the USSR army and were killed in battle or exterminated by the Nazis. A total of 5,200,000 Ukrainian civilians lost their lives in crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Nazis. In terms of percentage, only Belarus lost more people than Ukraine. By comparing German invasion to the current war, you are simply insulting your dead ancestors.

Cool thought!
And you want to say the reason for this? Well, for example, the Kremlin’s pathetic parrody of the Fuhrer, says that they defended the Russian-speaking population ... oh ... no .. this is at the beginning .. And then .. Then they had to demilitarize the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... Oh, well, it was and then - to return their "historical lands" ... Well, that also happened, and then - "it is necessary to destroy Ukraine" ... The author himself "of this massacre does not know the reasons, but are you talking about some kind of NATO?!

PS And that Ukraine was going to join NATO until 2014? More precisely until 2018?




Well, for example, 1941-1945. special military operation of Germany to protect the German-speaking population of the USSR. Part of the USSR was denazified and demilitarized, but the USSR, having asked for help from the whole world, ended the German special military operation in Berlin

The fact that Ukraine has to fight on its territory for the time being is true. But war is unpredictable. The recent events in the Belgorod region, where the Russians, fighting against the Russian Volunteer Corps and the Svoboda Legion, are shelling their own settlements, just point to this. Now the Kadyrovites are being brought in, which means massive robberies and rapes of the already local civilian population of Russia.

NATO countries do not want to be embroiled in a direct military confrontation with Russia, and for the time being they do make statements to the public that they forbid Ukraine from using its supplied weapons to strike at Russian territory. But this is also for now.

But Ukraine itself is now developing many types of weapons that can reach the most remote corners of the European part of Russia. So expect a lot of fiery greetings from Ukraine in the near future.

And guess why it wont happen? Because actually there is no national state in Ukraine. It's an empty shell, created artificially, an illusion. All decisions are being made abroad. And there are at least a handful of countries in Europe, which are being run and governed remotely from the other side of the ocean.  

It's pretty simple, wars aren't won against invaders if they are fought in your own country. They are won if they are fought in the enemy territory. But Ukraine does not have the permission to do that. United States is simply not allowing Ukraine army to attack Russian mainland and infrastructure such as airfields, weapons factories, etc. They neither give Ukraine any weapons capable of doing that nor do they allow them to use what they already have (fighter jets and some medium range rockets to hit Russia). The only thing US allows Ukraine to do is to fight Russia in Ukrainian soil with strategies that would only prolong the war not win it such as delaying the counter offensive for so long that it became a nearly impossible task.

Historically speaking, such invasions can only end when the invader's home is threatened. The most recent one is the invasion of Yemen. For about 8 years the US-Saudi coalition was doing a hundred times worse thing to Yemenis as Russia is doing in Ukraine. The invaders were forced into a ceasefire and withdrawal immediately after the Armed Forces of Yemen started hitting them in their homes (airfields, oil facilities, weapons storages, etc.).

This is just one of many reasons why this is an American war. Many of the US officials have already admitted that this is a war they've started and they are dictating how it goes since it is an "investment".
Not to mention that this is exactly the good ol' Nixon Doctrine, word by word.

The only way to end the war is that Ukraine refuses to be part of NATO, the reason behind the invasion is if Ukraine takes part in NATO then America will be at the door of Russia and of course, Russia will not allow it. This is a traditional insecurity in Russia. if Ukraine refuses it then I think Putin will go back to his home but it will not happen because Ukraine again and again wants to be part of NATO, so let's see what will happen next.

.. while some supporters of the Russian world are trying to prove to themselves the myth of the "normal situation" in the terrorist country, the Minister of Energy of the terrorist country, Nikolai Shulginov, shared real data Fans of the Russian world will now have to urgently invent "evidence" why this fact again "not a fact"

So, we read: even on the pages of the Russian media

The volume of gas production in Russia is now 8–10% lower than the forecast data for the socio-economic development of the country, Energy Minister Nikolai Shulginov announced on June 16 as part of SPIEF-2023.
According to the forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development, which is included in the parameters of the federal budget for 2023, gas production in Russia this year should amount to 670.2 billion cubic meters. m. Thus, if the dynamics indicated by the Minister of Energy continues until the end of the year, the figure may drop to 603.2-616.6 billion cubic meters. m.

“Today we are seeing a picture that production is 8-10% lower <...> the values that are included in the forecast. In September, the forecast will be revised, and we will reflect these new forecasts,” Shulginov said in an interview with the Izvestia TV channel. According to him, it is “too early” to name the volumes of gas exports.

At the end of April 2023, the government suspended until April 1, 2024 the publication of statistics on the production of oil, gas and gas condensate. But, according to the Rosstat report “The Socio-Economic Situation of Russia” for January-April 2023, which was published in May, gas production for the four months of this year fell by 14.5% in annual terms to 193.3 billion cubic meters. m.

https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2023/06/16/980893-dobicha-gaza-nizhe

And one more "unprovable fact, and a lie", as a result of "skillful economic management" and confirming the fantasy - "Russia is doing well"
"Gazprom shares fell in price amid the decision not to pay dividends for 2022"

On May 23, the Board of Directors of Gazprom decided not to pay the final dividend for 2022. Gazprom's net profit under IFRS in 2022 decreased by 41.4% compared to 2021. These were the times when the EU was still buying gas in a terrorist country. Now imagine what the situation will be at the end of 2023, provided that China has refused to support Power-Siberia 2!
We read another "not a fact"
https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2023/05/25/kitai-vmesto-sili-sibiri-2-reshil-stroit-gazoprovod-izturkmenii-a44055

You don't believe in fairy tales? But you're telling fairy tales all the time here on this forum. That's why you don't mention sources of your "facts".  


Analysts have gradually been improving economic growth forecasts, now seeing Russia's gross domestic product (GDP) rising 0.7% this year, up from 0.1% in the early May poll, and increasing 1.4% next year, slightly lower than previously thought.

Russia's economy defied early expectations for a double-digit economic contraction in 2022,
https://www.reuters.com/markets/rates-bonds/russia-hold-rates-next-week-2023-gdp-growth-seen-improving-2023-06-01/


I'd say that any army fighting against the whole world is doing quite good:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/03/26/world/ukraine-foreign-volunteers/
https://abcnews.go.com/International/foreign-fighters-ukraine-speak-willingness-serve/story?id=91671528

And just let me remind you how the last war ended for the glorious #1 army in the world   :

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/30/afghanistan-update-last-us-troops-leave-kabul-ending-evacuation.html


You made this up yourself or too much propaganda?


Sources, my little retarded friend, sources... otherwise I can only guess what exactly you mean by this vague statement.


What do you mean? What secrecy? You are posting hundreds of "trustworthy" moscowtimes.ru links with news from Russia every day. Where and how are they getting all that "secret" info?  


Russia’s oil exports have bounced back to levels last seen before it invaded Ukraine, despite a barrage of Western sanctions.

Moscow’s exports of crude oil and oil products rose in March to their highest level since April 2020, jumping by 600,000 barrels a day, the International Energy Agency (IEA) said in its monthly oil report Friday. The rise lifted Russia’s estimated revenue from oil exports to $12.7 billion last month.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/14/energy/russia-oil-exports-iea-report/index.html


Declared by whom? I can declare you a #1 liar of the whole Bitcointalk so what? Will you be punished? Same here, some US sockpuppet court, who cares?  

What about terrorist attacks on Belgorod? Were they recognized as such by the "international community"?  


Oh really? But your propaganda says so? OMG, so you're trying to say they're lying?  

I haven't seen any videos of that kind, except for some fakes made by the Ukrainian military intelligence: execution of POWs and so on

Lies, lies, lies and more lies. You posts consist of 100% lies.  

I don't believe in fairy tales - and I'm not a supporter of the Russian world. I believe in facts:
- Degradation of the russian economy
- Global military failure, the world's second army is a fake.
- The Kremlin is squealing and begging for sanctions to be lifted. Since no one pays attention to the Kremlin itself anymore - it tries to send its "doggies" with these idiotic proposals, in which they are afraid to mention the reality of "war".
- Massive flight of capital, people, manufacturers from Russia
- Total regime of "secrecy", trying to cover up the failures in all aspects of the Russian economy.
- Russia is not running out of oil - it's the buyers and the money that are running out
- Putin has already been declared an international criminal, and punishment will come to him.
- Ukraine will win the war, not ready to say that in this one. The correction is made by the global terrorist attacks that Russia is staging in Ukraine, such as the destruction of the dam, which has already been recognized by the international community as a terrorist attack.
- There is no rebellion in the Kremlin. So far, the wild confrontation between the Kremlin generals and the heads of the gang formations: the Vagner Cheka and the Kadyrov terrorists, which are already actively destroying each other, is enough. Should we send a video of Kadyrov's men killing the Wagnerites fleeing from the AFU?  Or can you find it yourself? Or are you going to tell me again that there is no such thing? )))

What an interesting story, it's a shame that bullshit. Zelensky is a liar, Klitschko is a liar, Reuters is a liar, I think Poland is also involved in this, delaying the plane with the protection of the President of South Africa and with African journalists who could refute this lie. One thing was not taken into account, the press secretary of the President of South Africa did not consider it necessary to hide the truth.
Rocket and drone strikes are carried out at night, because the targets are military targets and night strikes minimize the number of casualties among the civilian population.

That's exactly what happened - the Kremlin sent their "hand dogs" to Kiev to negotiate a "peaceful settlement of the conflict".
Their suggestion - to do this, we need to lift sanctions on Russia and cancel the criminal prosecution of the international criminal Putin 

The Kremlin couldn't think of anything better to do than let loose on Kiev, at this point :
- 6 aero-ballistic missiles "Kinjal";
- 6 cruise missiles "Kalibr";
- 2 airborne UAVs.

And you still consider the Krmelev regime not to be the last idiots and terrorists?


But back to the economy:
LONDON, June 16 (Reuters) - Wholesale gas prices in Britain and the Netherlands fell on Friday, losing some of the ground gained on Thursday after reports of extended suspensions of Norwegian gas infrastructure.
Front-end gas futures in the Dutch TTF hub had fallen 16.98% to 34.95 euros per megawatt hour by 12:08 p.m. MSC. The TTF's "Tomorrow" gas price dropped by 9.07% to €37.1 per megawatt hour at 11:01 a.m. MSC.
The price of gas with settlement "tomorrow" in Great Britain by 11:54 MSK has fallen by 15.79% to 88 pence per term, and with "immediate delivery" by 12:11 MSK - has fallen by 15.12% to 87 pence per term.

MOSCOW, June 16 (Reuters) - The price of offshore shipments of Russian Urals crude rose at the start of discussions on cargoes with delivery in July amid lower freight rates, but quotations for the grade remain below the price ceiling set by G7 countries, traders said and Reuters calculations showed.

PS Yes, you make a very accurate point - most of the shelling of peaceful Ukrainian cities by Kremlin terrorists takes place at night, when civilians are sleeping... It is difficult to find historical analogies, where the war was conducted by such a vile, despicable, cowardly method....

This war will not end until the Russian occupiers try to seize the territory of Ukraine and until the last Russian occupier leaves Ukraine or lies down in its land. Now there are over 300,000 Russian soldiers on the territory of Ukraine who are shooting at Ukrainians with all types of weapons. Ukrainians are forced to defend their country, because they are killed only for their pro-Ukrainian position. That is, Russia wants to destroy Ukraine as a state and the Ukrainians themselves as a nation. Therefore, it is very strange to hear that, while defending their country, Ukrainians are fighting for the United States, and not for their freedom and independence.

During the summer months, the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the south will reach the Sea of Azov and cut Russia's land corridor to the Crimea. The Crimean bridge that Russia built to connect mainland Russia with the Crimean peninsula will also be destroyed. After that, the entire southern front of the Russians in Ukraine will crumble and the victory of Ukraine in this war will become obvious.

That's what I said and that is the reason why Ukraine should not have let Russia to build defenses up and making any penetration into the defense lines nearly impossible.

The news and stats coming out, although unreliable, are telling a different story. What I've seen is both Russia and Ukraine fight the same way with high casualties.

The same situation with lack of training, rainy terrain, slow equipment delivery, etc. all existed on both sides with the difference that at that time Russia was advancing and Ukraine was listening to US and not attacking their weak positions at the time. Now they have to attack much stronger positions that are greatly solidified.

We can be hopeful but this is not the first time a statement like this is being made. At the beginning of this invasion they were saying similar things that Russia will "end" in a few months.
As I said many times in the past year, as long as Ukraine is fighting for United States instead of for Ukraine, this war will not end. It will continue in a deadlock that is meant to slowly weaken Russia over at least a decade.

I guess only time will tell if this time is really different or it's like before...

Ohh cautious, that's probably the reason why they used 12k soldiers as cannon fodder, making them attack fortified Russian positions with just their assault rifles. I believe about a half of Leopard 2 tanks Ukraine received from Germany and other EU countries were destroyed by the Russians. Another month or two of such cautiousness and Ukraine will run out of tanks and military personnel.

There is no failure of the counterattack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Russians really had time to prepare their defensive positions well. Solid minefields connected to anti-tank ditches and other engineering barriers. In addition, open flat terrain prevails, in which there is great vulnerability to attackers from kamikaze drones, artillery and aircraft. The Ukrainian command, unlike the Russians, takes care of its soldiers and therefore acts cautiously.

For the time being, reconnaissance in combat and probing for weaknesses in the enemy's defenses are still being carried out. Therefore, relatively small groups attack in many places and the Russians still do not know where the main attack will be directed. The Ukrainian Armed Forces have so far deployed three of the twelve offensive brigades formed, while the Russians have already engaged about 90 percent of their reserves. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will systematically grind these reserves and then the offensive will go faster. It did not make sense to do this before, since the equipment was slowly delivered, people were trained and, moreover, because of the constant rains, it was rather difficult to implement. Offensive is not a show, here in this case speed is not a priority. The result itself is important and it will appear in the next few months.

Muahaha just check out the related/suggested videos on YouTube when you open this video and everything will become clear:
"Ukraine will win the war before the end of the year"
"Putin will be shot down"
"Russia is running out of oil"
"Mutiny in Kremlin"

Does someone actually believe these "facts"? They look exactly like your posts. Zero credibility. 

The guy in the video can be seen in pro-western shows and interviews pretty frequently. I bet he's being paid to say that or has some reason to hate Russia? He's not a "specialist" he's just a paid shill.

Regarding the article, I also don't believe Ukraine did this (blew up the pipes). They don't have resources for such a mission. It was a CIA/MI6 operation with some support from Nordic (Danish/Norwegian?) military/special services. 

That's what I said from day one of this conflict and the reason is not that they can't or don't have the means, the reason is simply because the Armed Forces of Ukraine is now a multinational army with troops with little to no training and no coordination and no love for Ukraine (since many of them aren't even from Ukraine) and most importantly they are obeying United States and are fighting for US (part of Nixon's Doctrine).

Take the recent failure of the counter attack. It failed because they waited too long (or rather ordered to wait too long by US). That wait gave Russia more than enough time to solidify its position in the occupied regions, transfer equipment, spread mines in routes leading to their positions, increase the firepower (shells, etc.) that could bomb any progressing forces in the flatlands of Ukraine.
What they should have done was to blow up the Kakhovka (?) dam a lot sooner and started the offensive from the northern river bank to cut off supply routes and even gain access to Crimea.
Blowing it up now is not helping since there is a long way to go and the progress is met with constant shelling and mass casualties!

There is a good chance that we are going to see another wave of food crisis soon considering how the exports of grains have dropped and most importantly the fertilizer shortage of the past year is going to show its effects this year...

Well, the lack of evidence does not stop you from blaming Russia. Here it is indicative that such articles with accusations of Ukraine began to appear in general in the leading and authoritative Western media. A year ago this was unthinkable. I think the Western audience is being gradually prepared for the fact that support for Ukraine is not endless, and Ukraine itself is not at all sinless.

Oh yes, you are finally starting to ask the right questions. Who benefits is generally the first and often the only question that should be asked in such incidents. Of course, there is no benefit to Russia in destroying its costly infrastructure beyond repair. And of course, it is beneficial for Ukraine to remain the only supplier of Russian pipeline gas to Europe. However, there are other beneficiaries of this attack, such as Norway, Poland, the US and the UK.

By the way, to be objective, I must admit that Russia had a motive to destroy the dam at the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station - this helped to drastically reduce the number of options for a Ukrainian counteroffensive. Of course, the presence of a motive does not automatically mean that Russia actually did it, although I do not exclude such a possibility. But to accuse Russia of blowing up its own gas pipelines, of course, borders on schizophrenia.

Your version of fines for non-performance of contracts does not stand up to scrutiny. Russia has supplied and continues to supply as much gas to Europe as it physically can and as Europe is willing to buy. Including LNG and through pipelines through the territory of Ukraine, as well as through the southern branches through Turkey. By the way, if the grain deal cannot last in a month due to the failure of agreements by Europe and the undermining of the ammonia pipeline by Ukraine, Gazprom's payment for gas transit to Naftogaz will become the only reliable source of dollar revenues to the budget of Ukraine, except for direct Western subsidies. Ironic.