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In Russia, it's a matter of hours to go from the beloved hero to the hated "enemy" Yesterday they were greeted in Voronezh and Rostov as liberators, applauded and photographed. And the central government presented them as heroes "of all outlets. And tomorrow they suddenly became "conspirators"
But let's leave this subject to the Russians - it's their mental problem.

The Wagner PMC is not only fighters, it is a "black economy".  Through the Wagner PMCs in Africa was built quite a profitable business associated with gold and other valuable minerals. This is no longer a secret. And it is not Prigozhin's money that was invested in Wagner PMCs, but the Kremlin's. This is also no secret, and quite recently this has been in public sources in Russia itself.

But ... As the saying goes, "No matter how much you twist the rope, the end will come" and so will Wagner PMC.
- January 2023, the U.S. recognized the Wagner PMC as a criminal organization and imposed sanctions on companies associated with it. The U.S. Treasury Department recognized the Eugene Prigozhin's Vagner PMC as a transnational criminal organization, the agency's website reported on Thursday.
- 14 March 2023 The first EU country recognized the Wagner PMC as a terrorist organization. The Lithuanian parliament has recognized the Wagner PMC, involved in a full-scale war against Ukraine, as a terrorist organization, which became the first such case in the European Union.
- 10 May 2023 French Parliament recognized the Wagner PMC as a terrorist organization
- June 2023, the European Parliament is preparing to declare the Wagner PMC a terrorist organization.

What does this mean? This means that now with respect to any person who is a member of these PMCs, from the rank-and-file to Prigozhin, no rules of law are applicable. They will simply be destroyed. Forget about business at all.

Not only in Africa. This group was operating as the active military arm of a force similar to the local efforts of the resistance in any country in which they were active, and this explains why it was not taken into consideration as a hostile force with the logic of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." This also explains the eagerness of the anti-Russian forces to support Wagner's coup against it, without taking into account the political branches in the Kremlin.
France's current situation does not serve its position claiming to protect human rights, and it will have nothing to explain the interference of external forces in its internal affairs, including the logistical support that groups like Wagner or others may provide.

Another compilation of news from a country that is not affected by sanctions and the loss of markets will not affect the economy in any way

- MOSCOW, June 30 (Reuters) - The Russian Finance Ministry plans to place ruble-denominated bonds worth 1 trillion rubles at face value in the third quarter, the ministry said.
In the second quarter of 2023, the Finance Ministry has already attracted almost 836 billion rubles at the expense of OFZs. In mid-June, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov lamented that the state banks, which had become the main buyers of Russian ruble bonds after non-residents left due to sanctions, have recently been reluctant to buy OFZs.
Borrowing on the market of ruble-denominated government debt is one of the main sources of repayment of the RF budget deficit, which amounted to 3.3 trillion rubles, or 2.3% of GDP at the end of last year

- The ruble, which has fallen to a multimonth low, is losing 10% in June and 15% in Q2

- Gazprom shareholders approve decision not to pay dividends for 22
They recently decided not to pay for 2021, now for 2022. The official reason is the concern's income is falling due to a sharp decrease in gas exports to Europe. Gazprom's IFRS net profit in 2022 fell 41% to 1.226 trillion rubles.

Reuters calculates that the company made a net loss of 1.27 trillion rubles in the second half of last year, which ate up half of Gazprom's profits for the first half of the year.

- Reuters. West Siberian crude prices on the Russian market rose by an average of 2,500 rubles to 34,300-34,500 rubles per tonne in July trading volumes against a collapse in the ruble-dollar exchange rate, Reuters monitoring showed. They rose in RUR, because the RUR has collapsed. But presented as "Russian oil shows steady growth, Western sanctions have not affected" ))

And then we move on to the derivatives of "greatness," namely russia's technological backwardness.
- Russians will be allowed to dramatically increase the price of communications due to degradation of networks!
The strategy for the industry until 2035 states that Russia's lagging behind in terms of fixed network speed in the world rankings is getting worse, providers' revenues are stagnating.
 This means that the great country, claiming to have the most powerful potential, can neither buy nor produce BS for mobile networks. Where is the help from "big brother" China? ))

- Degradation of the space industry of the USSR of Russia shows new "peaks": Roscosmos offered African countries to build an orbital station together ! Before that, let me remind you - Russia's partner in the development of space programs was the country of... attention... drumroll... Zimbabwe !

Laws in Russia are written for the people, the government itself has not been fulfilling them for a long time. The attack on Ukraine clearly proved this. Until recently, Putin managed both the government and the State Duma in manual mode. The war of defeat in Ukraine, and especially the last failed campaign of the Wagnerites against Moscow, showed that Putin is losing power and authority, and is no longer in control of events in Russia.

PMC "Wagner" is a state military unit, which has always been funded from the budget. Since the Wagnerites, led by Prigozhin, did not want to sign a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense and showed defiance and relative independence, Putin was recently forced to announce data that 196 billion rubles were allocated from the budget for the Wagner PMC in the last year alone. This military unit was formed to carry out military operations outside of Russia, where Russia, as a state, did not want to act openly. But heavy military losses in Ukraine forced this unit to be transferred to Ukraine as well. And mercenarism in Russia is still prohibited.

We include your "logic"
1. Hamas has proven that all existing missile weapons from market leaders are crap! Hamas opts for the super-unique Qassam, Grad missiles and long-range Fajr missiles.Everything else is crap!
2. The tank market fell into a deep depression. Abrams, Merkava, Leopard and others - complete crap!
Mali, Republic of the Congo, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Namibia, Cuba, North Korea and Laos - they can't be wrong! T-34 is the best tank in the world. The rest of the tanks are crap!
3....

I can go on for a long time, but tell me - it sounds, to put it mildly, "ridiculous"?! this is exactly what your statement looks like

PS Strongly, 100500 times I recommend - STUDY subject areas, otherwise you will be laughed at in public. Purchase of C400 by Turkey - learn why it happened?

One of the important operations of this group has been in Africa where they kicked French forces out. Interestingly enough after these shenanigans Wagner still continues operating in Africa like before despite France hoping something would change so they could move in again.

Speaking of France, with the recent ongoing "civil war" in France lol people are producing funny stuff mocking the recent propaganda with captions like "Macron has fled the country and 'freedom fighters' have taken over Paris".

At the same time, the most important thing must be understood: in the full sense - a hypersonic weapon, this is one that reaches and hits the target precisely at hypersonic speed! This is the KEY POINT.
The Dagger only on the "almost ballistic" segment (when he turned on the rocket engines, decreases and picks up speed) has a speed close to the hypersonic indicator. But when the rocket enters the final segment, and descends into low, dense layers of the atmosphere, it begins to MANEUVER. At this point, her speed drops SHARPLY. It is on this site that Petriot destroys them. There, the speed is about 2-2.5 MAX, this is quite an acceptable object for Petriot. Plus - this is no longer a process of "catching up" with the Dagger, but the destruction of an object on a head-on course.

I do not think that the last theory is valid for verification as much as it resembles a trap to trap them all, especially since all reports indicate that Russia does not know who these fighters are or their nationalities because they are supposed to be mercenaries. This is in addition to the fact that the process of containing this group, if it actually happened, would prove Russia’s official involvement in all the operations carried out by Wagner in various regions around the world, such as Syria, Libya and Venezuela, which Russia has always denied since it does not officially support the Wagner group as a private military company, since Russian laws do not allow this.

Yeah, they do things like this all the time, specially on social media. Their operatives on these platforms are trained to swing public opinion about anything or anybody that serves their purpose. So if Wagner suddenly decided to fight Russia that would be in their benefit hence they suddenly become "freedom fighters".

That is generally true but not about the Patriot system. The US military said these exact words after the Saudi invaders were attacked in retaliation, they claimed that the Saudi operators were newbies and messed up. The next day the US bases were attacked and the Patriot system still remained useless.

Lets not forget that the technology that went into Patriot batteries predates the hypersonic era. In other words it is not even designed to intercept anything "fast".

Dear Sithara007! Well, you are a smart person, but sometimes, for reasons I do not understand, write such nonsense that I am ashamed of you!

Let's start with a simple statement - the Russian authorities and propaganda always lie. As soon as he opens his mouth, he lies. It's an axiom! I'm sure you understand what this word means


And now to the thought that "it was not a dagger, but an air bomb XXXXX"
Tell you the physics of launching rockets and bombs? As well as their trajectory, and opportunities?
I'll tell you. For one and others will listen

Let's start with the theory: BETAB 500 Concrete-piercing free-fall aerial bomb (BetAB) is designed to effectively destroy reinforced concrete pavements and airfield runways. Structurally, it is represented by two main types of bombs: free fall and with jet boosters BETAB-500SHP. Concrete-piercing free-fall bombs are designed for bombing from high altitudes and are structurally very close to standard thick-walled high-explosive bombs. Concrete-piercing bombs with a parachute and a jet booster are used for bombing from any height (including low ones). Due to the parachute, such a bomb tilts up to 60 degrees, after which the parachute comes unfastened and the jet booster is launched.

I hope everything is simple and clear. And I'm sure you read the very important phrase "FREE FALL". Next, what does this mean? I think you have enough honor to admit that the laws of physics very strongly limit the RANGE of free fall of such a charge. And simple knowledge of physics will tell you - in order for such a bomb to penetrate such a range, it had to be dropped from a carrier that way from 250-350 km above the ground!
Yes, you object - it must have been a BETAB-500SHP with a jet booster!
I answer - study the purpose of this accelerator! It does not add RANGE, it allows you to increase the kinetic energy of the "projectile" before hitting the target, or to make minor adjustments to the point of impact. But it does not make this ammunition a ROCKET or a planning charge. For planning (increasing the range), a planning system is needed. If primitive - WINGS. Like ALL missiles.

And now the MAIN QUESTION - tell us what the route of the aircraft carrier (SU27) should have been to hit an object deep in the territory of Ukraine? Before answering, keep in mind that in the frontline area, Russian planes do not reach the line of operations, and use the "cobration" technique to drop air bombs, including heavy ones ... at a distance of only about a few kilometers!

I hope next time, before reprinting Russian Mass Lie Tools, you will study the subject area a bit so as not to expose yourself to everyone in such an ugly way!

For the first time "Dagger" was shot down in Ukraine on the night of May 4. On the night of May 16, the Russians launched six Kinzhals, nine Caliber cruise missiles from the Black Sea, three ground-based ballistic/anti-aircraft missiles (S-400, Iskander-M) and six more Shahed-136 kamikaze drones. The attack came immediately from the northern, southern and eastern directions and was exceptional in density - the maximum number of targets in a short period of time. They are carried out in order to strain the air defense as much as possible, but the Ukrainian Air Force claims that all the missiles were destroyed.

The Russians say the Kinzhal has been on alert since December 2017. Putin promoted the rocket before the Federal Assembly in March 2018 and claimed that it develops hypersonic speed (more than Mach 10) and maneuvers throughout the entire flight segment. This allegedly allows it to reliably overcome all existing air defense and missile defense systems, delivering nuclear and conventional warheads to a target at a distance of up to 2,000 km, Putin intimidated.

The Russians call the "Dagger" a hypersonic missile system. But in fact, this is an aviation version of the ground-based Iskander missile. Hypersonic missiles are missiles that reach five times the speed of sound (Mach 5). But real hypersonic missiles accelerate to such speeds on their own.

"Dagger" is not capable of this. To accelerate it to hypersonic speeds, MiG-31 fighters are used, which themselves have a speed of 2800 km / h. The speed of the aircraft is added to the speed of the "Dagger" itself. And their total speed exceeds Mach 5. Since the rocket itself does not have such a speed, it is called quasi-hypersonic.

So "useless" that after they were put on combat duty, the Kremlin insignificance in hysterics threw STRATEGIC stocks of analogue-shitty missiles "Dagger" to destroy the "useless" air defense / missile defense of the Petriots, and once again screwed up
The dagger looks good and pathetic in the form of Soyuzmultfilm cartoons, which Putin watches for self-satisfaction. In reality, this is the same failure as the Armata tank, PAK FA and other fairy tales of the "second army of the world."
To begin with, I recommend that I study what a real hypersonic weapon is, study parts of its trajectory, features on each segment of the trajectory, and why it was considered that they were "impossible" difficult to shoot down. But as reality showed - out of all the hysteria of the Vremlev ghoul - I managed to slightly damage one control vehicle, which after 2 weeks returned to combat duty and perfectly fulfills its tasks Yes, I focus on ONE CONTROL MACHINE. Not a division (by the way, I also understand - you don’t know what the structure of the Petriot complex is), but one of the control machines.

In the meantime, brothers in terrorism help their dying friend, an international terrorist, in the hope of getting at least some benefit:

Ira expanded the range of deliveries to Russia.
In addition to:
UAV: Mohajer-6, Shahed-131, Shahed-136.
Air bombs: Ghaem-5
Helmets: NIJ II
Bulletproof vests: Rouin-3
ATGM: Dehlaviyeh
The delivery of 152 mm shots for the D-20 and 122 mm for the D-30 is confirmed.

Outcasts helping the country-fake


PS Of the real threats now there are only ballistic missiles, more precisely modified S300 / S400 systems. They were converted from the "ground-to-air" scheme (the intended purpose of the complexes), to "ground-to-ground". At the same time, the weapon, due to the design features, in this version, does not in any way belong to high-precision weapons. The danger is that it quickly reaches a high altitude, from where it goes towards the ground along a ballistic trajectory. The range is not very large (C300 - up to 60 km, C400 - up to 300 km), but it is dangerous for border areas, because. The Russians launch them into Ukrainian peaceful cities, and once in a living quarter, they kill a large number of civilians.

Both the sides resort to misinformation, so it is very difficult to get a clear picture. Ukrainians claims to have shot down so many of these missiles (Kh-47M2 Kinzhal). But only once did they showed a concrete proof to support their claim. And that was in 10th May, when Vitali Klitschko went on video with fragments from a downed missile. The Russians claimed that those fragments belonged to BETAB-500ShP aerial bomb. According to the Russians, this missile travel at speed of up to Mach 10. However, Ukrainians claim that the maximum speed that they have observed is only around Mach 3.6.

The effectiveness of air defense depends not only on the type of weapons used, but also on the skillful actions of the people who use these weapons. Yesterday, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine to Colonel Serhiy Yaremenko, commander of the 96th Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Center Air Command, under whose command it was possible to repel massive air attacks on Kiev in May-June, without allowing any of the more than 200 targets to be accurately hit targets and have already destroyed 13 Russian "invincible" Kh-47 Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles. If this is not the merit of the "Patriot" air defense system, then we can assume that the Ukrainians shoot down the vaunted "daggers" with small arms.

Only in Russia after this, three scientists from the Novosibirsk Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics (ITAM), who were involved in the creation of the Kinzhal hypersonic missiles, were arrested. The authorities accuse them of treason. Among the scientists are Valery Zvegintsev, Alexander Shiplyuk and Anatoly Maslov.

MIM-104 Patriot is not considered to be the best air-defense system available in the world. Recently, this system failed to prevent the Houthi rebels from targeting various oil refineries and storage facilities in Saudi Arabia using crude rockets. One of the staunches allies of the US, Turkey chose to purchase the S-400 system over the Patriot. The Russo-Ukrainian war has given an avenue for the Americans to get rid of these useless systems, in the name of defense aid to Ukraine. From what I have heard, these systems have proved quite inefficient against the Russian cruise and ballistic missiles.

Regarding PMC "Wagner", in fact, this is actually a structural military unit of Russia. It was created to conduct military operations on the territory of foreign states, when it was necessary to hide its belonging to Russia as a state. The sign of a private military formation was best suited for this. But recently, Putin was forced to admit that only from May 2022 to May 2023, 86 billion rubles were allocated from the budget for the maintenance of members of the Wagner PMC and incentive payments and another 110 billion rubles for insurance payments.

Source :
https://www.dw.com/ru/putin-priznal-sponsirovanie-cvk-vagner-gosudarstvom/a-66046461#:~:

In Russia under Putin, everything is usually built on lies, and lies cannot be hidden for long, because the situation is constantly changing. It is interesting that Prigozhin, during his riot on June 23-24, opened up that there was no danger to Russia from Ukraine, she was not going to attack Russia. In addition, Ukraine has not fired at the population of Donbass for the past 8 years, but, defending itself, hit the positions of Russian soldiers who occupied and plundered the regions of Donbass. But it was precisely this lie that was the official reason for the attack on Ukraine in February last year.

https://www.dw.com/ru/prigozin-zaavil-cto-ukraina-ne-sobiralas-napadat-na-rossiu/a-66013370

Did any media said that Wagner Group people were freedom fighters? Cause I haven't heard that but I heard that they were happy because there was an inner escalation in Russia between two powerful people, Prigozhin and Putin.
If anyone was really thinking that Prigozhin and his group Wagner are freedom fighters, then that person is seriously dumb and lacks critical thinking. To be honest, it will be far more dangerous if we see Prigozhin instead of Putin. By the way, it's still a mystery, what actually happened and why. Prigozhin and Putin make a deal, then day(s) after the pentagon states 6.2 billion missing in an accounting error.

There is no one as successful in Brainwashing as Russia is and has been since the existence of Soviet Union. C'mon, they have a Lenin's Mausoleum, people still pray for Stalin and wish him to be alive despite the fact that Stalin brutally killed their father or mother or siblings for no reason.

To be honest, one can't really understand what is right and what is wrong via media. The best way to understand is to be in that area in that moment, otherwise you don't really know what happened. Not even reading of news from tons of different media is going to help you in this case.

These equipment you named aren't the "latest military hardware" not to mention that everything else they've sent so far, at least majority of it is old and in some cases outdated hardware close to expiration. For example US forces Greece to purchase newest equipment from US and donate the old and expired arms they had to Ukraine.

And the 6 Ukrainian citizens who posted the video were sentenced to 8 years in prison for publishing the video proof of the useless Patriot system being destroyed easily which harms the US arms industry

1. As far as I know, dozens of patriot batteries have been transferred to Ukraine already and many of them are stationed around the main cities. And a few weeks ago we saw a video of one such system getting destroyed by a Russian missile.

2. Bakhmut itself only has an area of 40-45 sq.km. But during the battle of Bakhmut, Wagner and Russian Armed Forces captured nearby towns and villages such as Soledar. Total area should be much larger than 40 sq.km. According to Wagner, they lost 16,000 of their forces and killed 50,000 Ukrainians.

3. Situation has changed now, since Wagner is out of the equation. I am waiting to see if Ukraine gets an upper hand as a result of Wagner pullout.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are now conducting an offensive carefully and systematically, and have not yet committed their main reserves to the battle based on the terrain and the deep defense of the enemy. The south of Ukraine is an almost bare flat steppe, divided by forest plantations and irrigation canals. The Russians stuffed the entire front line of defense for many kilometers with mines, making continuous minefields. To attack in such a situation, not having superiority in the air, not every even a very strong army would risk. But the Armed Forces of Ukraine are gradually advancing and even incurring much smaller losses than the defending Russians.

But at this stage, the main task of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not to win back the maximum of its territory. At this stage, the enemy is bled. There is an identification and destruction by pinpoint strikes of ammunition depots, command posts, the accumulation of equipment and manpower of the enemy, the identification and destruction of artillery, air defense, rocket launchers, armored vehicles. The invaders will soon simply have nothing to fight with. They will still find live untrained meat, but they already have big problems with military equipment. Therefore, after the Russian defense is broken, the entire front will quickly crumble and they will run. Therefore, not only will Ukraine not need 50 years to return its territories, in general, everything should be decided by autumn.