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Another anonymous forum investigative journalist uncovering false flag operations without a single citation. You funny, yes yes now Putin controls all western media. It's your right not to believe what every single major newspaper says, or their quotes of gov officials. Just don't expect anyone to believe your silly conspiracy theories. I fully expect Germany to issue arrest warrants for those Ukrainians soon, then you'll have two options either claim they're RU double secret agents or Putin brainwashed all Germans with his alien ray gun. What's even more hilarious is that you're not even original in this thought, as covering your ears and ignoring everything is pretty much the current official position  


You can pretend that you're an investigative journalist all you want, but unlike your claims made without any citations, these are not my accusations, you're not arguing with me but with Washington Post, WSJ, Spigel, Guardian, New York Times, CNN etc etc etc...(which are really not known to sympathize with Russia, in fact i don't know what major publication did NOT pick up on this story). So instead of posting your opinions on anonymous forum i suggest you write a strongly worded letter to all these newspapers and let them know how they're all wrong and that they should retract their story, because paxmao just refuses to believe it, and together with 1miau have another theory of how it all went down with Putin on the narwhal. Post a link and I'll gladly read it if you'll get them to published it. I hate to be the one breaking it to you this way, but without citing more credible sources, no one really cares if an anonymous user is not convinced that the world is spherical.

Unfortunately, your claims are (once again) without any solid proof. There's exactly no proof pointing out that Ukraine is behind it. This boat story is just too weak and doesn't make really sense, like the expert in the ZDF article has explained. But you just ignore it...
Everything could be faked by Russia to have a false flag, where Ukraine is accused.
No wonder, pro-russian trolls are always jumping on that unproven story.
You are a good example for that.
After 1.5 years of war against Ukraine, Putin knows he can trust his apologists.  

It's a big shame that you are trying so vehemently to discredit Ukraine and throw Ukraine under the bus.
It's already your 5th post, where you are trying to accuse Ukraine for something, you have no valid proof for and Ukraine has no profit to do so. It's just pointless for Ukraine to blow up this useless pipeline, where already way before it happened, everyone knew, that NordStream 2 would never deliever any gas to Germany as long as Putin or his war crimes friends are waging war in Ukraine. No need for any western actor to blow it up...
And when the war is over, Germany will have 100% renewable energy and just don't need any Russian gas.
Russia has failed miserably.
Deal with it.  

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Finally we have something to discuss, it takes you a while to get of the irate responses and actually say something even if you have just one source and even if it is behind a paywall.

So, you base you accusation to the Ukrainian government of blowing up the NS because:

- A small vessel was around (definetly not at "the scene" which is 80 m below the water).
- That small vessel was rented by an Ukrainian company and sailed / operated from Poland.
- The vessel was in the area for 12 hours.
- Intelligence sources (take with plenty of salt) say that the US told Ukraine not to blow it up.

Anything else? Because that is not enough.
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Once Putler has deported all Ukrainians from Ukraine to Siberia, yes. 
But well not actually peace, see below:

I doubt it. Once Putin realizes he can burn down half of Europe without much resistance, he'll certainly do it. 
Or haven't Russians said "we'll march to Warsaw / Berlin / Paris / London"? It's just one of my nightmares, I guess... 

Tip about the boat came from the source inside of Ukraine of one of the EU intelligence agencies, boat was placed at the scene of explosions, explosive residue on the pipe matched to the residue found on the boat, 6 members of the sabotage crew are Ukrainian citizens. travel agency booking the boat was founded and controlled by Ukrainians with Polish bank accounts accountants and paralegals. CIA director and German intelligence officers are on record saying that evidence don't point to Russia. And found DNA matched (through his son in Germany) to a 26yr old Ukrainian soldier (not yet identified), who left Germany for Ukraine. At this point too many people are involved, and with every fifth person in Germany supporting AfD (and presumably many more in police/military circles) that they won't be able to keep this under covers. But nothing gets past your critical thinking, because through your hallucinations you just know that it was aliens Putin placed those explosives himself while riding a trained narwhal, you should contact all these publications immediately with your theory, so they can all publish corrections!

You've demonstrated that you're not even able to read your own quotes, to notice that most don't have "looks like" in them. So i don't really expect you to be able to read this either. And I'm sorry, but I just don't have the coloring pencils to draw it out in color pictures for you. But continue, do tell us what else looks like "Russia did it" to you, after all with your track record we're all very interested in hearing your next, spot on unbiased, carefully cited, predictions.

Kinda right. If Trump wins, we will have peace in Ukraine and Russia, and probably in the China-Taiwan thing, and in many other places in the world. Then, the US will probably resign from Nato, and there will be even more peace.

2 felony counts (including one conspiracy count) of obstructing an official proceeding under 18 U.S.C. § 1512 | 1 felony count of conspiracy to defraud the United States under 18 U.S.C. § 371 | 1 felony count of conspiracy against rights under 18 U.S.C. § 241

One alleges a scheme to defraud the United States through a sustained effort to impede the collection, counting and certification of votes in the 2020 election. And the fourth charge accuses Trump of a conspiracy to deprive citizens of a right secured under federal law — specifically, the right to vote and to have one’s vote counted.

On Aug. 1, 2023, the grand jury approved an indictment against Trump, charging him with an extraordinary conspiracy that threatened to disenfranchise millions of Americans.

Kinda right. If Trump wins, we will have peace in Ukraine and Russia, and probably in the China-Taiwan thing, and in many other places in the world.

Then, the US will probably resign from Nato, and there will be even more peace.

Well, only in case your deranged Trumpturd can fool enough Trumptards to vote for him...

when the US cuts them all off... like it is slowly cutting dumb, noisy, little Ukraine off.

Unfortunately, your claims are (once again) without any solid proof. There's exactly no proof pointing out that Ukraine is behind it. This boat story is just too weak and doesn't make really sense, like the expert in the ZDF article has explained. But you just ignore it...
Everything could be faked by Russia to have a false flag, where Ukraine is accused.
No wonder, pro-russian trolls are always jumping on that unproven story.
You are a good example for that.
After 1.5 years of war against Ukraine, Putin knows he can trust his apologists. 

It's a big shame that you are trying so vehemently to discredit Ukraine and throw Ukraine under the bus.
It's already your 5th post, where you are trying to accuse Ukraine for something, you have no valid proof for and Ukraine has no profit to do so. It's just pointless for Ukraine to blow up this useless pipeline, where already way before it happened, everyone knew, that NordStream 2 would never deliever any gas to Germany as long as Putin or his war crimes friends are waging war in Ukraine. No need for any western actor to blow it up...
And when the war is over, Germany will have 100% renewable energy and just don't need any Russian gas.
Russia has failed miserably.
Deal with it.   

Tip about the boat came from the source inside of Ukraine of one of the EU intelligence agencies, boat was placed at the scene of explosions, explosive residue on the pipe matched to the residue found on the boat, 6 members of the sabotage crew are Ukrainian citizens. travel agency booking the boat was founded and controlled by Ukrainians with Polish bank accounts accountants and paralegals. CIA director and German intelligence officers are on record saying that evidence don't point to Russia. And found DNA matched (through his son in Germany) to a 26yr old Ukrainian soldier (not yet identified), who left Germany for Ukraine. At this point too many people are involved, and with every fifth person in Germany supporting AfD (and presumably many more in police/military circles) that they won't be able to keep this under covers. But nothing gets past your critical thinking, because through your hallucinations you just know that it was aliens Putin placed those explosives himself while riding a trained narwhal, you should contact all these publications immediately with your theory, so they can all publish corrections!

You've demonstrated that you're not even able to read your own quotes, to notice that most don't have "looks like" in them. So i don't really expect you to be able to read this either. And I'm sorry, but I just don't have the coloring pencils to draw it out in color pictures for you. But continue, do tell us what else looks like "Russia did it" to you, after all with your track record we're all very interested in hearing your next, spot on unbiased, carefully cited, predictions.

The only winners any war have always been the Banks.

https://interestingengineering.com/culture/us-tech-powering-russian-military

This is me waiting for your irrefutable evidence to contradict my views while you wonder around my posts - and keep quoting my "looks like" which means exactly that.

I am sorry you do not like how things work in the world, but the fact is that secret ops are secret, so no reason for you to run into baby rant. If you do not like that sometimes the truth will not be know, jump to a parallel universe where you are omniscient.

And by the wat, if you insist in judging other's credibility, start providing some sources or you will just be another of the wall-texters trolling here. As of now, you are pretty much at the bottom feeding end of the disinformation effort.

But... to things that actually matter, the breaking of the grain deal and the bombing of grain silos has fired back in the form of attacks on Ruzzian vessels. It seems that insurance costs (or even the possibility of insuring) cuts both ways.

Who is the volunteer to explain to Adolf Putin (thanks for reminding) how a country with no navy is damaging the Ruzzian ships so effectively.

The Wall Street Journal found that the company that rented the boat—a 50-foot pleasure yacht named Andromeda—was founded and controlled by Ukrainians who were Polish residents who used Polish bank accounts and an accountant and paralegal based in Krakow, according to interviews with people familiar with the company and corporate filings.
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Poland, which is conducting its own, more limited investigation, has known about the role of the company, Feeria Lwowa, since March, Polish officials said. About three weeks ago, investigators visited its registered office in Warsaw for the first time, conducting a brief meeting that lasted only a few minutes
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“You asked more questions than they did,” an office worker present during the raid told Journal reporters who visited.
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German investigators have identified some of the six members of the sabotage crew on board the Andromeda. The suspects haven’t been named but investigators say they are Ukrainian citizens.

*posts nonsense*

Suspicious sailing yacht found : Nord Stream attack: The role of the Andromeda

With the help of a sailing yacht, the attacks on the Nord Stream pipelines are said to have been carried out. ZDF Frontal has found the Andromeda. Is the one-ship thesis plausible?

After days of searching, we found it: Jacked up in an old military port on the island of Rügen, there it's in storage - the sailing yacht "Andromeda", perhaps the most political ship in the world at the moment. It is said to have played a central role in the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines in September. This was the result of new research by the ARD and the "Times".
Six people - including two divers - are said to have set sail with her from Rostock. The target: the tubes at the bottom of the Baltic Sea, at depths of 70 and 88 meters, which finally exploded on September 26.

We rent a similar yacht of the charterer - the "Unsinkbar 2" - and sail with skippers to Wiek, out on the Baltic Sea. We retrace part of the path that the Andromeda - presumably loaded with explosives - is said to have taken. Can a single ship and a crew of six people commit such a complex attack? What role did the Andromeda play? The Andromeda is a 15 meter long sailing yacht, of the type Bavaria C50. Her charterer rented her out in September from the port of Rostock "Hohe Düne". From there she is said to have set off and then stopped in Wiek on Rügen. Between 16 and 18 September, she is said to have been with the Danish island of Christiansø. A few days later, the pipelines exploded nearby. Currently, the Andromeda is on land - in an old military port in Dranske on the island of Rügen. In January, German investigators had examined them and, according to the Federal Prosecutor General, found explosive remnants on a table.

Logistics, diving, explosives: what is plausible?

Logistics: Could a group of six people with just one boat have blown up the pipelines on their own? Göran Swistek, an expert in maritime security, has enormous doubts about the one-ship theory: the amount of explosives, the financial resources, the material that has to be carried, plus the approach via the points above the three explosion sites without drifting. "Presumably, other forces will have supported it. Personally, I think it's plausible that either a larger ship was involved or several."
Dive: The detonations on the three pipelines occurred at depths of 70 and 88 meters. To dive down there, you need professionals. Former NVA combat diver Wolfgang Frank calculates that he would plan an hour and a half for work at this depth: three minutes to dive to the bottom, half an hour for work at depth and one hour to slowly resurface. Then three to four hours as regeneration time. ZDF Frontal has presented him with weather data, because a low swell is crucial for diving. Waves of more than half a meter are a real challenge. The professional diver considers two periods to be realistic: September 9 and 10 and September 21-25. So it's a short span. But he says, "It's possible."
Explosives: Investigators estimate that around 500 kilograms of TNT equivalent would be needed per explosion to blow up the pipelines. It is not possible to say exactly how much was used, because it is unclear which explosives were used. But it would be extremely difficult to get something like this secretly, says cyber expert Sandro Gayken. In the Darknet, he finds offers for smaller quantities. But it is difficult to order this undetected: "Especially in the case of explosives, it is not only the police, but also the intelligence services that look into it." The chairman of the Association of Criminal Investigators also has doubts that private actors could have worried about this: "If so, then there is more evidence that these are people who are either connected to state actors or are part of these state actors."

Who could be behind the Nord Stream sabotage?

It is still unclear who the masterminds are. ARD and the Times report on a company in Poland that rented the Andromeda - two Ukrainians are said to be behind it, with contacts to other Ukrainians. The "New York Times" reports of a "pro-Ukrainian group". There are no indications of the government in Kiev. Like the United States and Russia, it strictly rejects involvement in the acts of sabotage. Is a pro-Ukrainian group behind the Nord Stream explosions?

Expert Göran Swistek doubts that a small group of people could accomplish such an act:

The Baltic Sea is heavily trafficked and the Andromeda is therefore only one of many ships that sailed over the gas pipelines at that time. On the one hand, the oil tanker "Minerva Julie", which cruised in the later explosion area for several days and regularly sailed to Russia, is a mystery. A ship of the Navy was also nearby during a period in which the weather would have cooperated. What it did there, a spokesman for the navy ZDF Frontal does not want to tell, that is secret. Only this much: No knowledge of the perpetrators could be obtained.

Ahh yes dig yourself in deeper, approach, after all when you lost all your credibility there is really no more downside to making stuff up right? Here are some of your quotes:
Meanwhile, the disconnect between the RF army chief Psychos and the diplomatic and civil side of the government is show again in the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream II.
The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing, because Ukraine asked for payment for the pass through their territory, paid with German money.
...Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.
as the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response




Ah yes denial, great strategy. I will thread crap all day long, but when confronted with it, instead of admitting that i was wrong I just won't believe anything that doesn't fit my narrative for 50years...wait maybe not even then, defense. The cope is really strong with this one

Dude, can you read?
The article clearly says "investigating the possibility" that it's an "boat tied to Ukrainians".
But no one really has a proof for it.
Of course, you are only interested to quote a story, where "mean Ukraine" has allegedly blown up the pipeline from an "Ukrainian boat".  
Of course, you don't mention that this story has many fallacies:

- Why should Ukraine do it like that, leaving many traces, especially ones, leading to the conclusion that Ukraine is behind it?
- The accused, private sailing boat "Andromeda" (is available for rent) is well suited (not) to do this sort of operation:



- It's totally not possible that Russian officials have ordered their agents to rent the ship, to fabricate the fake evidence to accuse Ukraine and tried to spread this weak story by brainwashed and useful Kremlin trolls like you...  

Maybe add 3 SIM cards (or SIMS 3), rumours are they have been found on the boat, too.  

Doesn't look like a deliberately fabricated Russian attempt to accuse Ukraine for you? Of course not, since you are 100% brainwashed by Russian propaganda...
It's Putins well-known strategy to sow discord, hate and uncertainty among Ukraine's allies...

Nord Stream Sabotage Probe Turns to Clues Inside Poland
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The probe by Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office is examining why the yacht they believe was used to carry out the operation journeyed into Polish waters. Other findings suggest Poland was a hub for the logistics and financing of last September’s undersea sabotage attack that severed the strongest bond tying Berlin to Moscow.
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Taken together, the details show that the boat sailed around each of the locations where the blasts later took place—evidence that fortified investigators’ belief that the Andromeda was instrumental in last year’s destruction of the pipeline.
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German investigators say they are also looking into why the yacht was rented with the help of a travel agency based in Warsaw that appears to be part of a network of Ukrainian-owned front companies with suspected links to Ukrainian intelligence, according to people familiar with the investigation.
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Their investigation also found that a white van—sighted in a German port by security cameras and eye witnesses—carried Polish license plates and was used to supply its crew, according to people familiar with the investigation.
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In mid-May—five months after Berlin had identified the Andromeda—the two sides had what a Polish Justice Ministry official called a working meeting.
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Investigators first found the yacht following an October tip from a Western intelligence service. The information came from a person in Ukraine who gathers intelligence for a small European country. Officials in that European country have since then questioned why bigger powers with extensive surveillance capabilities and personnel in Ukraine didn’t get wind of the plot on their own—or alert others if they did.

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Poland, like many of its neighbors as well as the U.S., strongly opposed the Nord Stream pipelines, which they viewed as Russian leader Vladimir Putin’s geopolitical weapon to make Europe dependent on Russian energy.
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Polish officials have acknowledged the country’s long Baltic coastline, its 320-mile border with Ukraine and its sizable population of Ukrainians offer obvious advantages for individuals staging such an operation. But these officials said the government played no role in the Nord Stream attack.
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a senior Polish national security official said. “I cannot exclude that some Polish company or whatever is involved in this case.”
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The blasts created vast bubbling geysers in the Baltic Sea that eventually released more greenhouse gas into the atmosphere than the entire annual emissions of Denmark.
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Unlike with Poland, Germany has closely cooperated with those and other nations while conducting the probe. They have classified their investigations, with German officials reminded that under law they could face jail time for leaking details.

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Among the latest findings of the German investigation: The single-mast sloop, loaded with military-grade explosives, sailed south into Polish waters from the Danish island of Christianso.
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Interviews with those familiar with the Andromeda’s voyage indicate the sabotage crew had finished half of their job, laying deep-sea explosives on Nord Stream 1, the older of the undersea gas pipelines, before they set their Bavaria 50 Cruiser on a course away from their target, toward Poland.
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What investigators have established is that the Andromeda, which had days before been rented from a German company based close to where the pipelines land, sailed back north in what investigators believe was an effort to complete its task and plant mines on Nord Stream 2, the second key conduit for Russian gas exports.
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intelligence service of a European country in June 2022. That agency informed the Central Intelligence Agency that a small group of members of Ukraine’s armed forces were planning on sabotaging the pipeline that same month. The CIA passed that warning on to Germany and other allies
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Immediately after the attack, these officials set their sights on Kyiv.
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the small European country that had warned the CIA directly passed on detailed information to Germany that helped its investigators to identify the Andromeda, officials familiar with the exchange of information said. Around the same time, CIA director William Burns was asked in a meeting with a European ally whether Ukraine was responsible. “I hope not,” he said, adding that the available evidence didn’t point to Russia, according to an official with the allied country who was in the room at the time.
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Last month, German investigators took a DNA sample from the soldier’s son, who happens to live with the soldier’s former girlfriend as refugees in the eastern German city of Frankfurt an der Oder.
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The spokeswoman for the prosecutors in Germany said the investigation was working on obtaining enough evidence to issue international arrest warrants.

Indications of Ukrainian perpetrators are increasing
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There is also repeated talk of a so-called "false flag" operation by Russia. Among those familiar with the process, this is considered extremely unlikely. Behind the scenes, it was even said that early on that Moscow had no real motive for the crime.
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Prosecutor Peter Frank are now certain that the sailing yacht "Andromeda" was used for the attack.
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Fake identification documents were apparently used to hire them.
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The often-put-up thesis that the assassins could only have brought the explosives to the site of the attack because of its weight with a larger ship and possibly a mini-submarine is then no longer applicable.
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The traces found by the Federal Criminal Police Office coincide with the assessments of several intelligence services, according to which the originators are to be located in Ukraine. The secret services are now asking whether the deed could have been carried out by an uncontrolled commando or by Ukrainian secret services and to what extent parts of the Ukrainian government apparatus might have been in the know.

Well Bankers finance both sides of the war, to them it does not matter who wins.
Russia already has everything in place for the so called new world order.
Only Self-ownership ( Self sovereignty) will save your arse.

The deeper consideration here is what the Eritrean President said at the end of the video. He referred to a new world order. Does this mean a one world government with Russia at its head?

Ahh yes dig yourself in deeper, approach, after all when you lost all your credibility there is really no more downside to making stuff up right? Here are some of your quotes:
Meanwhile, the disconnect between the RF army chief Psychos and the diplomatic and civil side of the government is show again in the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream II.
The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing, because Ukraine asked for payment for the pass through their territory, paid with German money.
...Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.
as the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response




Ah yes denial, great strategy. I will thread crap all day long, but when confronted with it, instead of admitting that i was wrong I just won't believe anything that doesn't fit my narrative for 50years...wait maybe not even then, defense. The cope is really strong with this one

There is no irrefutable evidence. You are just stating non-facts without any evidence.

Please notice the "looks like" in my text before you try to accuse me of anything. You do not have any facts because there are no proven facts other than probably some archive somewhere that may be open in 50 years for now... if ever. The difference is that you do make firm statements with no base while I say "looks like".

I think still think there is a very high likelyhood of Ruzzia being behind this. Easy target, lots of damage, right time,...

Western officials no longer suspect Russia of ordering alleged attack against undersea gas pipelines
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