Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 121. (Read 73622 times)

First things first: A meeting, led by Saudi Arabia and other oil exporters - whithout Ruzzia - is going to take place.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-seeks-global-support-peace-blueprint-saudi-talks-2023-08-03/


- F16 - Yes, delayed and that is unfortunate. But not cancelled - see, very different. Perhaps they are testing if Ukraine can do without them - a contested air space with plenty of defences is likely to end up with a few f16 down (bad for US business).
- The CNN and all other media speak of whatever they want, but the gains on the terrain are happening. Obviously, not to the pace that would end the war as soon as possible, but adequate for the purpose of demilitarising Ruzzia.
- Politico: No breaktrough - Yes, that is correct, just advancing, not breaking. Telling the truth is ok in the West, it is not related to loosing support. In fact you can interpret it as a call for stronger support to make that "breakthrough" effective.
- die welt has the same ability to predict the future as my uncle or your uncle Vania.
- High losses - Yes, telling the truth is ok in the West. When you attack, you get losses. Again, a call for more support rather than the opposite.

On the Financial Times - Ask yourself: Why does the US fuck with China right now? Could it be that they are tired of China selling weapons and overriding sanctions? From the US perspective, it is time to put some pressure on their own backyard - particularly before the talks.

Are you trying to blame me for your own mistakes? It's not like I used present tense when talking about someone who died decades ago.
It's hard to convey sarcasm through written text, but I did my best by adding the wink. No sense of humor in Russia?


Of course, the Biden administration sucks. It's pretty much shares the ideals with the WEF and its henchmen like Trudeau and Macron.
Stop cash, force people to use CBDC, control crypto, cameras and digital IDs everywhere, force people to use electric cars... All this while Hunter avoids taxes, snorts coke and bangs his sister-in-law.

As usual for people of your level of rhetorical skill, you write something which is completely divorced from anything remotely associated with what I said, then to cover yourself snip what I said so that it is less likely that anyone will cross-check.  Classic.

But on the subject of 'racism', what 'race' is it that I'm being accused of 'racism' against?  All 'Jews', Semitic or Ashkenazim, are pretty clearly Caucasian just like me.  Am I a 'self-hating Caucasian'?


Ain't that the truth!

In my 'career coach' role, I think I can help you out a little bit.  You might consider actually learning some things about the real world and how it works.  You could still write politically correct swill even if you do recognize it as such and sell it to the low-functioning 'progressives' and 'liberals'.  As a matter of fact, you could almost certainly do it better, and it would open up new horizons among the equally low-functioning 'right-wingers' in their click-bait rags (Brightbart, Infowars, NewsMax etc.)  The paymasters would be the same anyway.  Just make sure you fawn over and defend anything which could remotely be considered associated with 'Jews', and you are already highly trained and proficient at that.

The main thing 'neo-' about the modern Ukrainian Nazi seems to be their warmness toward 'Jews'.  I have, however, run across the idea many times that indeed the 'old' Nazis were relatively warm to toward the Zionists, and especially as Nazism was building up in the 1930's.  In both cases it could be attributed to a 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' principle economically speaking and thus the Nazi's may not particularly be semitophiles as much as that they just know where their bread is buttered.  That is, right out of the pockets of the likes of Kolomoiski, Nuland/Nudelman, etc.

Looking at things from the flip-side, it also can be said that the Israelies are smart (like me) and it was reasonably obvious to them how the proxy war would end up.  This lead to policies which would not significantly antagonize or harm Russia all throughout this 'SMO', and beyond as the brush fire continues to flare up.  The freedom to remain neutral is limited to Israel where the various banana-republics (Germany, France, etc) are expected to follow Zenenski...right over the cliff to their doom.  This observation is yet another in-your-face illustration of who sits above who in the global power structure.  With every 'fuck you' that Israel issues to so-called West, the U.S. et-al respond with more 'please sir, can I have another?'  And they continue to send Israel even more money for 'security.', pass more laws against their citizens insulting 'the Jews', etc.

You take one argument out of context, ignoring all the others, and then try to twist it as if it were a thing of the past. Looks pretty ridiculous, I had a better opinion of your ability to debate. The surge of neo-Nazism in Ukraine is a phenomenon of the recent history of the 21st century. Moskovsky Prospekt in Kyiv was renamed Bandera Avenue in 2016, not 70 years ago. Vatutin Avenue in Kyiv became Shukhevych Avenue in 2017, not in Stalin's time. Ukraine needed national heroes, and in its history it did not find anyone better for this role than the most notorious Nazis. Wrong choice, now Ukraine will have to pay for it. It is to pay, not to answer - because no one will ask. Russia, only for decency, demonstrates its readiness for negotiations, while putting forward conditions that are obviously unacceptable for Ukraine as not being discussed.

"Israel doesn't negotiate with terrorists," so Russia launched its special operation knowing that it would have to kill them all. Russia have zero tolerance for Nazism since World War II. Would you like to discuss the philosophy behind the Peace Formula at the Saudi Arabia Summit?

If you happen to be looking at the wording that Biden is using, it seems like he is one of the denazifiers... and he is attempting to remove all the things that make life easier for Americans... like the power grid, and fuel, and vehicles, and right religion, and freedom of speech, etc., etc., ... especially through spending American money on Ukraine and the war.

I didn't know he was still alive.

Yes he was a nationalist and responsible for many murders, especially on Poles, but last time I checked nations did not invade one another because there were streets named after someone.
Some time ago there were news about a Stalin monument installed in one of Russian cities and Rosatom wanted to put a bust of Beria on display, yet nobody dropped bombs on you over that.


Watch out guys, the first denazifiers of the free world are coming for your fridges, washing machines and toilets.

It is important for me to know your opinion, thank you for participating in the census of forum's Nazis, wait for a personal invitation to denazification.

There could be 100,000 neo-Nazis in Ukraine and it wouldn't change the problem, to be honest.

It's rather those who invade their neighbours, kill, rape and kidnap civilians who are the actual Nazis, don't you think?

And you know what's even worse than degenerate, out-of-touch Nazi leaders like your Putler? The morons who are their standard-bearers and propagandists, the morons who have been shit on by this same leader for years with corruption but who continue to kiss his ass.

Lol dude. The Azov battalion is recognized by the US Congress as neo-Nazi, extremist and anti-Semitic, parliamentarians called it a "disgusting Nazi formation", while it is quite officially part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The main national hero of Ukraine, Bandera, is a Nazi, and in honor of him, thousands of marches on Khreshchatyk were held and fifty streets were named. The universal password-greeting of Ukrainians "Glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes" - is rooted in the far-right nationalist organization OUN and this is only a slightly modified password-greeting of the Third Reich "Heil Hitler, Sieg Heil". What more proof do you need?

- "Ukrainian F-16 training delayed" - CNN.
- "CNN spoke about the problems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the capture of Staromayorsky."
- "U.S. annoyed by Zelensky's statements and Ukraine's military decisions" - CNBC.
- "There is no breakthrough yet in Ukraine's counter-offensive" - Politico.
- "Ukraine is waiting for the Korean scenario and the freezing of the conflict, since the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not give the desired results" - Die Welt
- "The New York Times writes about the "high losses" of Ukrainian troops during the offensive in the south.".
- "Biden wants to send part of the money provided for assistance to Ukraine, to armaments for Taiwan" - Financial Times.

Western press headlines in just a few days. Assess the scale of zrada and welcome to reality. The second stage of the Ukrainian counter-offensive with redoubled efforts to break through the defenses also ended in a crushing fiasco. At least according to the leading Western media that shape public opinion.

Well, I'm glad that at least in this aspect you are already close to reality.

Or maybe corrupt politicians always find a way to gain from corruption?   
Since we know already, that Putin is weak on the battlefield, weak behind his silly, long table and he doesn't even dare to visit the frontline of his own meat grinder - let alone visiting other countries because he's paranoid, paying corrupt, far-right and far-left politicians is only what's left for him... 
In addition to bombing civillians in Ukraine, ruining his own country and Ukraine, letting his own critics visit russian windows  and spreading his braindead lies everywhere. That's all what's left to pathetic Putler and despite that, there are still pitiful people supporting him. 

I have not noticed (I have noticed the opposite).


Ukraine cannot join NATO because it has an ongoing war and because it needs to meet other criteria. But if you are hoping for US an EU to pull out you are making the same mistake as your military. BTW, not joining NATO does not mean not receiving support from allies.

Europe, US and other allies clearly understand that demilitarising Ruzzia is a very good investment and gaining Ukraine as an ally something valuable for the future.

No, I haven't noticed decline of support after watching some last military aid packages that were announced already after NATO summit. Results of NATO summit, maybe there was high expectations about it, but it ended more or less like I expected without making important decisions.

Russia always will find money to fund war machine, propaganda and opposition parties in West. And sanctions - IMO, it's joke. It would work if it would be imposed like supposed. But when it's bypased using parallel import/export through countries like Turkey, Kazkahstan or Armenia, offcourse it doesn't have as much effect as expected.

Young people. Have you ever wanted to travel the world, but couldn't afford it? You may have your chance for free, international travel in the near future... mostly to Ukraine.


As Confidence In Military Plummets, DC Swamp Calls For A Draft

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tigc40ir4PE
As new data comes out from Gallup showing a deep American crisis in confidence in the US military, a new op-ed in the Pentagon-friendly Military.com is calling for a "limited" military draft to fill the growing gaps between projected force needs and recruitment. Are they trying to grease the skids for an upcoming military conflict with Russia and China? Also today, MSNBC thug calls for new "PATRIOT Act" against MSNBC's political enemies.
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So you don't have to prove that the country is or is not fighting it. I thought we had international law and all that, but it looks that if Russians claim something is true, it is true. If Russians say that a country is threatening them, it is, there's no discussing it, right? Sounds like someone here is never wrong, knows everything and does what he wants, like a bully.

Russia, or the Soviet Union? As far as I remember they used to cut ties with their old country when it came to taking responsibility for Stalin's crimes. The favourite response of the Russian Federation was that the Soviets did that, we're a different country now, but when it comes to fighting Hitler, it was of course one and the same country that did it. Russians were quick to forget that Stalin and Hitler once went hand in hand like two love birds. There were even some nice drawings made in the early 40s.

That's an interesting point. Russia actually HAS been supporting Nato countries to some extent. But she is getting better in return. Total sanction backfire.

Haven't you noticed the decline in support for Ukraine in the West since the counter-offensive didn't go according to plan? Or has the taste of disappointment already washed off Zelensky’s lips at the results of the NATO summit in Vilnius, which left Ukraine in limbo by canceling the NATO membership plan and offering no clear entry algorithm in return?

Perhaps sanctions do not work well if Putin manages to finance the European opposition.

Exactly that. As someone from Germany I can confirm that the video is classic Russian propaganda and trying to undermine support for Ukraine in Germany by making up false claims and parroting lies. Presented are the usual Kremlin talking points, targeting a German audience but luckily, most Germans are educated and don't believe Russia's propaganda.  


As far as I know, some German researchers have identified Russian actors in the video and some scenes in Germany are animated from stock photos. Likely, it's from Russia Today or some affiliated criminals, German journalists have reported.
AfD has denied to be behind the video but AfD denying something does not mean anything.  
At least, AfD is really happy to have that video and AfD is actively spreading it on social media and their fake news network.

(Video creator exposed here (German))

AfD is our braindead fascist party, where all the idiots are gathering their fascist ideas and it's always surprising how uneducated and corrupt these right-wing politicians are.
Very likely AfD is financed by Russia (some close ties are already proven, where AfD idiots met with Russians in Russia and Eastern Ukraine to celebrate Russia).  
AfD is always trying to play down Russia's war crimes and spread hate against Ukraine.

AfD is only in Bundestag (German parliament) because some people are outright fascists or just braindead (they want to be governed by braindead people, too).
Some people don't even agree with AfD's Russia fetish but vote AfD as a protest vote.  

We have a new joke in Germany because AfD's EU candidate (Maximilian Krah) has a similar name like a cartoon character (Kra) and the cartoon character symbolizes Hitler.  

 
They are talking the same fascist bullshit, too.  
And their look is similar as well.

So, @Branko, you've disqualified yourself once again for supporting Nazis.
Maybe, Putin supporters are the fascists, not Ukrainians...  

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You are confused, obviously.  
Your braindead war criminal dictator, Putler, is actively financing fascists all over Europe, like he's financing Germany's AfD as well.  
Get your facts right, you Russian war crimes apologist.
 

It seems that this unfortunate war is also affecting those living on the Russian side of the border.
Putin definitely did not expect this situation, specially after his private mercenary army turned against him.

Perhaps, he would consider to drop this senseless war if he realizes he cannot keep it going without getting some strikes in his own soil, though, I hope innocent Russians won't perish for the decision of those in positions of political power.

I wonder if China could intervene and convince Putin that his war and ambition for power is not longer sustainable

It's good that you wrote word ''some''. According to description of video, it was made by AfD - far-right opposition party. If it would resemble majority opinion, probably they would have much more seat in Bundestage than they have now.

I have no idea why this building was attacked. There is Ministry of Industry and Trade or Ministry of Digital Development, Communications and Mass Media is located in MIBC, but it doesn't sounds like targets. There isn't even guarantee that these drones were released from territory of Ukraine, after all distance to Moscow isn't such small.
Anyway, it's fun to see Russians complaining about terrorist attacks, when their country is doing it almost on daily basis and on much higher scale. And BTW, didn't you said something similar about West turning their backs on Ukraine if they won't show significant results of counteroffensive before NATO summit?

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EDIT Something exploded in Odintsovo near to Moscow and Crimea bridge is closed because of air raid alert.