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What some Germans think

https://youtu.be/YZTz7UwmPiE
It's good that you wrote word ''some''. According to description of video, it was made by AfD - far-right opposition party. If it would resemble majority opinion, probably they would have much more seat in Bundestage than they have now.

I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.
I have no idea why this building was attacked. There is Ministry of Industry and Trade or Ministry of Digital Development, Communications and Mass Media is located in MIBC, but it doesn't sounds like targets. There isn't even guarantee that these drones were released from territory of Ukraine, after all distance to Moscow isn't such small.
Anyway, it's fun to see Russians complaining about terrorist attacks, when their country is doing it almost on daily basis and on much higher scale. And BTW, didn't you said something similar about West turning their backs on Ukraine if they won't show significant results of counteroffensive before NATO summit?

EDIT Something exploded in Odintsovo near to Moscow and Crimea bridge is closed because of air raid alert.
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No.It is because Russia continuously strikes civilian targets not later than yesterday killing an 10 year old girl.This is a response to Russian terror and it is only natural that Russia feels the same what Ukrainians are feeling because of Russian barbarism.The Russians claim they hit no civilian targets yet today they hit a dormitory in Kharkiv,luckily without dead persons.Russian have killed children,have made mass graves and systematically hit civilian targets in Ukrainian cities so it is only a natural response and what I find the most funny is terrorists (Russia are the true ones starting a war out of nowhere and killing civilians as a sign of desperation in the battlefield,stalled invasion) are calling the victim who tries to defend a terrorist  Grin.

@Branko , the US clearly has ask for forgiveness although it is not worthy after the damage they have done yet they have spend billions in help rebuilding Iraq after then,not justifying them,it was a mistake and they ask for forgiveness.

Didn't you take USA memo...its called "collateral damage"...and quite frankly (although cynical) Russians damage civilians way less than good ole USA

Oh, and regarding "war out of nowhere":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs

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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?
Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

What's denazification? How should it be done?
From what I'm seeing in this thread, you're mixing terms and using the word "nazi" to describe Ukrainian nationalists. So, you want to get rid of nationalists in Ukraine? What gives you, a foreigner, the right to interfere in their internal politics?

Last time I checked the real Nazis (Germans) attacked their neighbors, but Ukrainians were attacked. No amount of name calling will change the fact that Russians are the aggressors here.
Nazism is an internal affair of any state, only as long as this state is actively and effectively fighting Nazism. In Ukraine, Nazism spread metastases to the broad masses and even to state authorities, so this ceased to be an internal affair of Ukraine. Do not worry, this problem is already being solved during the special operation, Russia has a very rich experience in the successful fight against Nazism.
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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?
Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

What's denazification? How should it be done?
From what I'm seeing in this thread, you're mixing terms and using the word "nazi" to describe Ukrainian nationalists. So, you want to get rid of nationalists in Ukraine? What gives you, a foreigner, the right to interfere in their internal politics?

Last time I checked the real Nazis (Germans) attacked their neighbors, but Ukrainians were attacked. No amount of name calling will change the fact that Russians are the aggressors here.
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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?
Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.
I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.

No.It is because Russia continuously strikes civilian targets not later than yesterday killing an 10 year old girl.This is a response to Russian terror and it is only natural that Russia feels the same what Ukrainians are feeling because of Russian barbarism.The Russians claim they hit no civilian targets yet today they hit a dormitory in Kharkiv,luckily without dead persons.Russian have killed children,have made mass graves and systematically hit civilian targets in Ukrainian cities so it is only a natural response and what I find the most funny is terrorists (Russia are the true ones starting a war out of nowhere and killing civilians as a sign of desperation in the battlefield,stalled invasion) are calling the victim who tries to defend a terrorist  Grin.

@Branko , the US clearly has ask for forgiveness although it is not worthy after the damage they have done yet they have spend billions in help rebuilding Iraq after then,not justifying them,it was a mistake and they ask for forgiveness.
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Did you also predict Al Quaeda hit on WTC and waited for more strikes and devastation against country which started war on Iraq out of nowhere?
And it was obviously not the end of malevolent countries

He couldn't have predicted an Al-Qaeda hit on the WTC (9/11), because it didn't happen. It was a US hit on the WTC, directed by Federal Reserve Bank owners, and other world Elite... and allowed by the US government and military.

It got rid of certain banking records, allowed gold to be secretly reclaimed from Fed basement bank vaults, got a bunch of insurance money for Larry Silverstein, and managed a whole bunch of other covert government and Super Big Business operations.

The Ukraine war is doing the same kinds of things. The WTC was only a test to see what the American people would really put up with.

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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?
Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.


Did you also predict Al Quaeda hit on WTC and waited for more strikes and devastation against country which started war on Iraq out of nowhere?
And it was obviously not the end of malevolent countries
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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?
Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.
I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.
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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?
Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.
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So this guy goes from supporter of Azov to supporter of Ruzzia? Oh well... there goes his credibility.

How does stating the facts makes someone "supporter"?
maybe in your black/white heavily censored world
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Meanwhile, the second phase of the Ukrainian counter-offensive, announced yesterday, began with a crushing defeat on the Zaporizhia front near Rabotino. Ukraine threw its strategic reserves into organizing a breakthrough, and dozens of armored vehicles remained on fire on the battlefield.

How it is going with North Korea and Africa poor countries,the only nations which are still doing business with Russia,I hope well as even some delegations from Africa did not attend the Russia-Africa summit,from 43 just 17 delegations and they even call on Putin to revive the grain deal as soon as possible.

No matter how long it takes it has started and it will continue for as long as the zones are liberated meanwhile how are my fellow Moscow people enjoying the drones,yet there has not been casualties but very soon there will be and at a huge scale,just wait,that is what will make Russia people think that this war has also got to do with us and will remove their opinion so far that this war does not belong to us.

What's next from you, that you heard that Putin eats babies for breakfast? I can't imagine how such outlandish claims, completely devoid of even slimmer of truth, can achieve anything besides people seeing you for a fool/propagandist. Educate yourself


We are not sure of his eating habits, however he is effectively convicted for deporting children. do not try to make him look like an innocent person, he is not.


The news says that someone told Putin that their economy is super. Would anyone tell him otherwise in public? (you know... would you like a Kremlin tea or would you prefer to jump out the window?)


After all of crackdowns, risks of social unrest in Russia were at a minimum but Prigozhin's march on Moscow proved that social unrest can come from somewhere where nobody expected, from ultra-right hawks. With UA military counteroffensive loosing all steam, and with just around 4 weeks left until September rains, it appears that efforts are being applied at social unrest from ultra-rights. Ironically it attempts to stir a reaction from hawks that call for massive bombardments and general mobilization, in response to some drone strikes at empty buildings.  Huh

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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?

The most interesting thing about the "march to keep my army" of Prigo is that nobody gave a shit one way or the other. The RF is in such as state of "embracing the suck" that they are socially zombies.

RE mass killings, as of now, the only ones that have engaged in extended war crimes are certain sections of the RF army and the chief Psychos.

We need a durable peace. One of the things that may help is the fact that the RF is "demilitarising" itself by sucking into an useless war most of the old soviet arsenal and a large part of their modern war means, which cannot be replaced at pace. Some people out there spend a lot of time looking at the stores of old equipment and these are going really quick.

What can make the peace durable is not the mass killing of anyone. It is a notable defeat of RF to stop the expansionism and the loss of military relevance in the next decade. Both of these are achievable as things are going now. It would seem that Tokmak is achievable during the fighting season.



Interesting Branko... you are using a far right, kind of Neo-Nazi guy opinion... that's lovely.


Yes indeed, even former supporter of Azov sees things as they are...but not you. Is this your job maybe?

So this guy goes from supporter of Azov to supporter of Ruzzia? Oh well... there goes his credibility.

My job? Oh my, if you know anyone interested in paying me for this (other than betcoin, my sponsor) let me know, I am always open for business.
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What some Germans think

https://youtu.be/YZTz7UwmPiE
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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?
Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.
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Meanwhile, the second phase of the Ukrainian counter-offensive, announced yesterday, began with a crushing defeat on the Zaporizhia front near Rabotino. Ukraine threw its strategic reserves into organizing a breakthrough, and dozens of armored vehicles remained on fire on the battlefield.

How it is going with North Korea and Africa poor countries,the only nations which are still doing business with Russia,I hope well as even some delegations from Africa did not attend the Russia-Africa summit,from 43 just 17 delegations and they even call on Putin to revive the grain deal as soon as possible.

No matter how long it takes it has started and it will continue for as long as the zones are liberated meanwhile how are my fellow Moscow people enjoying the drones,yet there has not been casualties but very soon there will be and at a huge scale,just wait,that is what will make Russia people think that this war has also got to do with us and will remove their opinion so far that this war does not belong to us.

What's next from you, that you heard that Putin eats babies for breakfast? I can't imagine how such outlandish claims, completely devoid of even slimmer of truth, can achieve anything besides people seeing you for a fool/propagandist. Educate yourself

India's oil imports from Russia hit new high in June but growth slows
Intelligence report accuses China of acting as sanctions backdoor for Russia

GDP growth may exceed 2% this year and consumer price inflation may not rise above 5% in annual terms, Mishustin told Putin at a meeting at the Kremlin. The International Monetary Fund expects the Russian economy to grow 0.7% this year.

After all of crackdowns, risks of social unrest in Russia were at a minimum but Prigozhin's march on Moscow proved that social unrest can come from somewhere where nobody expected, from ultra-right hawks. With UA military counteroffensive loosing all steam, and with just around 4 weeks left until September rains, it appears that efforts are being applied at social unrest from ultra-rights. Ironically it attempts to stir a reaction from hawks that call for massive bombardments and general mobilization, in response to some drone strikes at empty buildings.  Huh

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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?
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Meanwhile, the second phase of the Ukrainian counter-offensive, announced yesterday, began with a crushing defeat on the Zaporizhia front near Rabotino. Ukraine threw its strategic reserves into organizing a breakthrough, and dozens of armored vehicles remained on fire on the battlefield.

How it is going with North Korea and Africa poor countries,the only nations which are still doing business with Russia,I hope well as even some delegations from Africa did not attend the Russia-Africa summit,from 43 just 17 delegations and they even call on Putin to revive the grain deal as soon as possible.

No matter how long it takes it has started and it will continue for as long as the zones are liberated meanwhile how are my fellow Moscow people enjoying the drones,yet there has not been casualties but very soon there will be and at a huge scale,just wait,that is what will make Russia people think that this war has also got to do with us and will remove their opinion so far that this war does not belong to us.

The bigger war that Russia is winning over Ukraine, is the one where they are holding Ukraine at bay, and are resisting the temptation to make this a world war where billions would be killed. We all owe a debt of thanks to Russia for not retaliating against the US with nukes.

Russia China trade deals are growing, as are Russian trade deals with many countries. Large amounts of  Russian crude are being refined in Poland and Hungary, and are being sold to Ukraine. Russia got Ukraine money for their crude, which is being used to fight Russia. US dollars are being used to purchase it (through Hungary and Poland) by Ukraine. The US is actually buying Russian crude (indirectly).

What a strange war!

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Meanwhile, the second phase of the Ukrainian counter-offensive, announced yesterday, began with a crushing defeat on the Zaporizhia front near Rabotino. Ukraine threw its strategic reserves into organizing a breakthrough, and dozens of armored vehicles remained on fire on the battlefield.

How it is going with North Korea and Africa poor countries,the only nations which are still doing business with Russia,I hope well as even some delegations from Africa did not attend the Russia-Africa summit,from 43 just 17 delegations and they even call on Putin to revive the grain deal as soon as possible.

No matter how long it takes it has started and it will continue for as long as the zones are liberated meanwhile how are my fellow Moscow people enjoying the drones,yet there has not been casualties but very soon there will be and at a huge scale,just wait,that is what will make Russia people think that this war has also got to do with us and will remove their opinion so far that this war does not belong to us.

Thank you, almost forgot this gem from the past

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg
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Meanwhile, the second phase of the Ukrainian counter-offensive, announced yesterday, began with a crushing defeat on the Zaporizhia front near Rabotino. Ukraine threw its strategic reserves into organizing a breakthrough, and dozens of armored vehicles remained on fire on the battlefield.

How it is going with North Korea and Africa poor countries,the only nations which are still doing business with Russia,I hope well as even some delegations from Africa did not attend the Russia-Africa summit,from 43 just 17 delegations and they even call on Putin to revive the grain deal as soon as possible.

No matter how long it takes it has started and it will continue for as long as the zones are liberated meanwhile how are my fellow Moscow people enjoying the drones,yet there has not been casualties but very soon there will be and at a huge scale,just wait,that is what will make Russia people think that this war has also got to do with us and will remove their opinion so far that this war does not belong to us.
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More and more people are showing us what is really going on in the world regarding Ukraine. The truth is getting out into the open.


Ex-CIA: US Pentagon PANICS Over NEW Ukraine Leak - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryA60R6aYDY


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Interesting Branko... you are using a far right, kind of Neo-Nazi guy opinion... that's lovely.


Yes indeed, even former supporter of Azov sees things as they are...but not you. Is this your job maybe?
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Inflation is linked to interest rates. Ruzzia keeps inflation low by having nearly double interest rates. Now, stuff more graphs there, but try to understand the basics of economy first.

Let's get this clear: do you consider the attack on grain storages in Ukraine a terrorist act? A simple yes or no will suffice. I offer you a similar direct answer to any (non personal) similar question in exchange.

RE scalations, most of your assertions are false. ATACAMS have more range, more payload and are more difficult to intercept. The stormshadows are very obviously hitting high value targets, and I mean nearly every day,... You should try to read something that is not the official propaganda. The F-35 with some of the longer range rockets do not even need to get near to the front...

RE grain production in the US... well, your graph basically proves my point. US is a grain exporter and will benefit from higher prices. It is irrelevant if Ruzzia exports more or less, the price is the price. Look, seriously, just read ANY book on economy. You need them all.

Now, it seems that you are trying to deny any and all the capabilities built during decades by US and other... it just does not fly (note the pun), those weapons are effective like hell. The US has the potential to support Ukraine up by a factor of 10. They just do not want to - for now. Putin is nearly out of escalations other than nuclear, which he would loose (not that anyone wins in that case).

Latest thing, he is now promoting conflicts in Niger and Congo. But worry not, those will be dealt with in due time, first things first.

Anyway, while you theorise, reality is making a check on all that. Ukraine is moving at a faster pace and liberating some interesting bits of territory in the Zapo front. A trust towards Tohmak has become veeeeery posible. There are also some unconfirmed data on the lack of effectiveness of the "Surovikin line" of defence - there are not enough troops to actually defend it.

Oh, BTW, you are still thinking that somehow Europe has heating problems? Have you not read anything in the last year? Europe simply buys the gas from US an Norway, the countries affected are those that cannot pay the price.








You can try all you want, Darude posts are 10X more eloquent

Meanwhile:

https://stratpol.com/une-fois-la-guerre-terminee-lukraine-dans-ses-frontieres-actuelles-cessera-dexister/

Get a room. You just love your eco-chambers.

Interesting Branko... you are using a far right, kind of Neo-Nazi guy opinion... that's lovely.

This French you mention is just expression opinions, not providing any particular evidence. Europe is not ready, Ruzzia superpowerful... is not even original. He is most likely looking for the applause of the extreme right of Jean-Mari Le Pen. They might eventually preside France and this guys is probably out of other career options (an ex-general without any particular distinction , particularly if he keeps on throwing xenophobic comments here and there.



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