Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 124. (Read 73646 times)

WOW so much to unpack there that I don't even know where to start, are you being sarcastic here?, it's hard to believe that this is all just a coincidence.

First of all reread what i wrote and indicate which exact statement I am wrong about.

What you're doing here is bringing up an arguments that the actual mark was a valid military target but due to some reason it happened to land in some unintended location. OK that's the default justification for every side in every modern conflict (rarely someone admits to terrorism). Then you hilariously do a flip and attempt to claim, that because RF deflected a missile on to themselves they are terrorists? Following such logic all SAM missiles UA launched as well as all intersected incoming RF missiles (which all must land somewhere right?) were also terrorist attacks from Ukraine onto Ukraine? Going even further Ukraine sending a missle to Poland and killing two Poles was a Ukrainian terrorist attack on NATO too?

Then you appeal to logic making an argument that there is no incentive to hit random buildings, and how it doesn't make sense. (Sure, an argument that's also widely used by both sides).

And then you turn around, contradict yourself and pretty much give a clear example of an incentive and why such a terrorist attack makes perfect sense and may help your political objective "Russians have to understand that war is not that stuff that happens in the TV, but something that can actually go kaboom in you door. This may help."


Bravo, honestly I don't think i could've come up with a better example and a more typical justification for terrorism if i tried. And then somewhere in between you keep arguing with Encyclopedia Britannica to the definition of terrorism and how it should depend on defending yourself.  

^^^ The Russian people will become scared at first. Then they will become angry, and unite behind their government when the time comes to shut Ukraine completely down.

You are wrong, as usual. The drone attacks in Moscow were heading to the Ministry of defence. The MOd is a legitimate target as it is considered a key infrastructure that directly support the war effort of the RF. The systems that the RF uses to prevent this deflects and redirects the drones by interfering with them so they crash somewhere else nearby (at 300 meters to be precise), so you are accusing the RF of terrorism against the RF. Now that I think of it, you are right.

Seriously speaking, there is little incentive for Ukraine to just hit some random building in Moscow. It just does not make sense - even if it was actually Ukraine (I have not seen official confirmation).

Also as usual, no comment on the attacks at Odessa, which actually were not directed to any military or war related infrastructure, so ... yeah, speaking of redefining terms.

And yet another gaffe - yes terrorism actually does depend if you are defending yourself: Example: The RF is not at war with the UK, but they send two guys to kill someone living in the UK. That is terrorism. If you are at war and that person is a military, is not - it is a legitimate target.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/23/europe/ukraine-russia-drone-attacks-hit-moscow-intl-hnk/index.html


If you ask me, Russians have to understand that war is not that stuff that happens in the TV, but something that can actually go kaboom in you door. This may help.

Again, by definition terrorism is not dependent on whether you're defending yourself or not, or any further justifications. You really believe that an attempt to redefine terms helps your cause? Yes yes we all know, almost about to take Crimea back, right...i'll let you be.

It is not terrorism when you defend yourself and Ukraine has never mass killed civilians like Russian barbarians have done in Bucha,Irpin and Kharkiv.The Ukrainian army has never hit a maternity hospital killing innocent people,they have never bombed theater where it was clearly written "CHILDREN" in Russian language so what can justify these actions from Russian aggression and lately they even hit a Unesco heritage site in Ukraine,they commit a horrendous war crime every day.

As for the square kilometers,Ukraine has reclaimed more than 50% of territories that they lost in the early stages of invasion,they will liberate every single inch of territory until Ukraine wins.

Like you I'm all for suppressing Chinese commie regime, but i have questions on the strategy. We're talking about #2 (possibly soon to become #1) economy in the world, in your cost/benefit analysis how many Ukrainians should be thrown against Russians that outnumber them by 100.000.000 in the world’s most mined country without any air support, with the strategy of just hoping Ukrainian courage and resourcefulness would carry the day? Until Nuland's freedom cookies in 2014 Russia wasn't aligned with China at all, who do we hold accountable for such epic failure if while trying to get Ukraine under "west's sphere of influence" we still end up going into cold war with China, only now having pushed Russia on their side? And this whole strategy of defeating Russians in Ukraine first and then coming after Chinese relies on China being idiots and not seeing this coming right? How will all of this look in the history books 50yrs from now?

Right!

The US has been instigating terrorism done by Ukraine for a long time now... years.

Russia was simply doing a police action in Ukraine to put down the terrorism. And it is still doing its police action (just as the US has been doing many police actions around the world since WW2).

If Russia were doing war, they would have rolled across Ukraine long ago, and Ukraine would not exist right now.

You do realize that you made no attempt to argue that it wasn't terrorism from UA side, but instead just justified it as a response to another terrorism. Or do you not realize that terrorism is not mutually exclusive? My ministry of propaganda told me that the enemy blew up "our" kindergarten, so i was activated to blow up "their" kindergarten in response thus i'm not a terrorist logic?  

And if you didn't consider your audience to be complete imbeciles, when stating how many square kms were "liberated", for a full picture and objectivity wouldn't you also include how many square kilometers were also "lost" on other fronts?

So how does it feel for Russians to see two drones striking some buildings in the center of Moscow?I am sure they like it and Ukrainian counter offensive is going slowly but gradually having liberated another 16.4 km square in the south front last week.I don't understand the press statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia that name the attack as a terrorist attack by the Kyiv regime when in fact Russia is applying terror against Ukraine more than 1.5 year now,this is just plain Ukrainian response to terror and they should gain momentum and hit even further so Russian start thinking if the war is worth continuing or not as they are not getting anything.

@OgNasty, if you do not like "paying for this war" (I wonder if you have noticed that many "pay" with their lives)... if you do not like paying this I say, just figure out how much would you need to pay if going back to the Cold War. That is expensive, and much more since you have a much bigger China.

US, Europe an Russia have had the dividend of peace, but you should not take that for granted if RF "wins" or looks to "win".

It is extremely funny what you have written here is someone who has been in the psychiatric hospital and not by normal people.How the f*ck can Russia win against all world when they are not being able to win against Ukraine yet and they have lost several modern equipment which they need years to replace,beside that they had the worse loses in human capital as over 200.000 soldiers are killed and more will be killed each day.

If you mean that they can be threatening the world with their nuclear rhetoric if they will ever use it will mean Russia will not exist anymore in the map as the West and NATO will eradicate them from earth.I don't see any win soon for Russia,they should withdraw and pay for years the destruction they caused in Ukraine.

Right. Everybody is tired of Putin's pussyfooting around. Let's get down to business, and wipe Ukraine from the face of the earth... which Russia could easily do.

But that isn't in the best interests of anybody. The way to do it is to do it peacefully. What's peaceful about the Ukraine war? The fact that Russia is showing that it can be trusted in two ways:
1. That it is easily strong enough to take on anybody in the world and win;
2. That it is aiming for peaceful trade along with respect for all nations... the reason it isn't simply wiping Ukraine out and continuing on with all of Nato.

Many Russians want a powerful leader, like having Stalin back. They simply don't understand how Stalin endangered them all. Putin is looking and planning for the distant future... a time when Russia can be at peace with everybody, and everybody with Russia. And, of course, a not so distant future, where he might be able to retire and live a long life in peace.

If Putin goes down now, and is replaced by Medvedev or somebody like him, Russia will do to the world what Hitler was trying to do... take it all. There is nobody that is strong enough or united enough to stop them. Be glad they have Putin... for the salvation of the world. At least for the present time.

It is really funny to talk about losing morale for Ukrainian soldiers which every day are liberating more territories,you will see in the end of the offensive.The funny part is that you a Russian supporter is talking about Ukrainian morale when in fact even high generals from Russia are turning against Putin and telling him the sore reality of a lot of lost lives in the battlefront,the lack of moral and everything going wrong there,of course such generals are directly dismissed from their duty for speaking the truth as the truth in Russia is only the propaganda from the Kremlin and every other idea gets immediately shut down.The fact that Russia resorted to the last resort to get out of the grain deal to play hunger games shows how desperate they are in their total isolation so far.

Here's one: https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022

Finland actually lost their spot as the least corrupt country in 2021 to Denmark.  They're tied for second with New Zealand now.

Russia is tied for the 137th least corrupt Nation, slightly less corrupt than Kyrgyzstan and Pakistan.  Well done Putin.

Now we get to hear from the conspiritards about how the list must be NATO funded and published by a bunch of Jewish transgender Nazis that enjoy recreational abortions.

Level of maturity here hints me i am not talking with an adult so i'll watch closer what i say.
Yeah, we all were against the nato for a while until Putin showed his true skin.

Data manipulation? You know nothing about Yle or finnish politics. Take a look of any list of least corrupt countries.

Yes, thats pretty good reason to state for "polling entities that are getting paid to show in corrupt scientismistic societies"

Or maybe the polls aren't rigged and the public opinion on joining NATO shifted to a clear majority because Putin invaded Ukraine. 

Data manipulation and fraud most likely unless the Fins are a lot more suicidal and stupid than I would have thought.  The 'polls' always show what the polling entities are getting paid to show in corrupt scientismistic societies.  The problem became much worse as the WEF 'young global leaders' (or 'young global scapegoats' or 'young global degenerates' or all three) matriculated and were installed into their assigned places as cabinet members and heads of state.

Actually Finland didn't decide to join NATO until after a clear majority of Fins supported it.  In Jan 2022, their ex prime minister (a lovely lady imo) made it clear she didn't think Finland would be joining in the near future.  https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finlands-pm-says-nato-membership-is-very-unlikely-her-watch-2022-01-19/

Polling shows support for joining NATO growing in Feburary 2022 and then for some reason there was a pretty big jump to a clear majority  right around the first week of march.


https://yle.fi/a/3-12357832


I wonder why that happened?

Ahaha, your "calculated deal" to join NATO was made by your ex-prime minister's rabid cunt, contrary to public opinion, which at that time was against it. That's all there is to know in Finnish democracy. When choosing the lesser evil, remember that you have chosen evil anyway.


upd: Meanwhile, nothing special is happening on the fronts, and this seems to play into the hands of Russia - the lack of significant successes among the soldiers of Ukraine is losing morale, and irritation is growing in the West. More and more often in the United States, there are rumors that Kyiv's bet on F16 fighters will not work, that Ukraine does not really need ATACMS missiles, and nothing has been heard about Abrams tanks lately either. It seems that the US resolve to support Ukraine until complete victory is fading along with confidence in the possibility of achieving this victory. Elections are coming soon in a democratic US, and the unfinished gestalt of the Ukrainian conflict is bad baggage on the pre-election finish line.