Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 127. (Read 73994 times)

What tanks? Check out what they threw at Ukrainians, how many tanks they lost, how many and what type of tanks they have left. They have a lot of tanks left, but they've been neglected. Putin was cutting military budget for years and neglecting old equipment. If Russia gathered every modern tank they have from the whole country and sent it to Ukraine, they wouldn't be able to break through, partially thanks to  their own minefields.

Sure, with nuclear weapons, but that would mean genocide and a nuclear fallout going to Belarus and Poland. Even Russians aren't that dumb.

There was a supply/demand issue for instructional faculty in the GI-bill inspired post WW-II period, and many people who filled the gap were people who were associated with or influenced by the 'Frankfurt School.'  One of the popular theories shared broadly among the group was that the greatest future risk to 'The Jews' came from the United States which was the most likely to rise up as the next Nazi Germany.  (Given the recent history of the support construction of Ukraine I cannot say that they were wrong although I would note that it took some doing; the trajectory of the U.S. was molded heavily by the neocons and their intellectual for-bearers who were one of the main branches off the Frankfurt School academics and who have the means and motivation to force theoretical (and theatrical) prophecy into existence.)

Anyway, the 'solution' to the 'America problem' was to ultimately collapse the nation.  No reason not to milk it dry as a happy side-effect of the implementation of the collapse though.  I see this as being the strongest hypothesis for what misfortunes and failures have befallen the nation, and it's not reversible without a LOT of tears.  Probably not practical at all as I see it which is the main reason I bailed.

^^^ Nice to see somebody who knows what the score really is.

I'm thinking that Big World Money wants to destroy the US economy for some reason, and is using both Ukraine and Russia to do it.

Russians pretend to act like Crimea isn't war zone and it's safe place. And now they call this as terrorist attack. Oh really. Illegal bridge which is one of main roads to supply army is legitimate target and everyone should understand it. This is terrorist attack according to Russia, but when they attack schools, supermarkets or apartment buildings in Ukraine it's military objects.
And after all crimes they did in Ukraine I supposed to be sorry about deaths of these two russians - sorry, but no.

But it attempts to take the focus off the far greater war crimes the US, Nato, and Ukraine are doing.

This was the first thing that came to my mind. Who the hell goes to holiday into war zone and take their kids with them? I am putting the blame on Russian media and the fact that Moscow says that there's no war on that area, and anyone who doesn't read any other sources for information stays ignorant about the situation.

But like you said, it doesn't manage to take focus from war crimes that Russia is actively doing.

And here I thought there weren't any grain deals with Russia because of the sanctions. Looks like the media has been full of BS for a long time, now.


Russia Terminates Black Sea Grain Deal, Wheat Prices Spike, As Extent Of Crimea Bridge Terrorist Attack Revealed

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https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russia-terminates-black-sea-grain-deal-wheat-prices-spike-extent-crimea-bridge
Wheat prices jumped as news broke Monday that Russia let the UN-brokered grain deal lapse at midnight, Istanbul time, marking the end of the Turkey-administered humanitarian corridor which let Ukrainian grains get exported to global markets. Russia since confirmed the deal has been "terminated". According to the latest from Moscow, as well as the US reaction:

Russian U.N. Mission: No more talks planned on black sea grain deal, Russia's decision to withdraw is final — RIA

RUSSIA TELLS UN SHIPPING AGENCY IMO THAT END OF BLACK SEA GRAIN DEAL MEANS 'GUARANTEES FOR SAFETY OF NAVIGATION ISSUED BY RUSSIAN SIDE WILL BE REVOKED' - LETTER EXCERPT SEEN BY REUTERS

RUSSIA ALSO TELLS IMO THAT 'PROACTIVE NECESSARY ACTIONS AND RESPONSE MEASURES TO NEUTRALIZE THREATS POSED BY THE KIEV REGIME IN THE AREA WILL BE TAKEN' - LETTER EXCERPT SEEN BY REUTERS

U.S. ENVOY TO U.N. SAYS RUSSIA ENDING BLACK SEA GRAIN DEAL AN 'ACT OF CRUELTY'

What was formally called the Black Sea Grain Initiative had already been extended for multiple short increments since its implementation in July 2022. The Kremlin confirmed in a statement by Dmitry Peskov: "The Black Sea agreements ceased to be valid today. As the President of the Russian Federation said earlier, the deadline is July 17."
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Well, as I suggested earlier, Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal. This will deprive Ukraine of revenues to the budget for the sale of Ukrainian grain in the amount of at least 500 million dollars a month. Tonight, combined missile and drone strikes were carried out on military targets in the ports of Nikolaev and Odessa.

Russia deploys over 100,000 personnel, 900 tanks, 555 artillery, on Kupiansk-Lyman front.

^^^ Now Ukraine is dealing in cigarettes. That was a Lucky Strike.


It Is America First, Not Ukraine

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https://discernreport.com/it-is-america-first-not-ukraine/
To prepare for the "spring offensive," President Joe Biden authorized another $675 million to help the Ukrainian military. After the military progress was halted by the Russians, Biden decided to send controversial cluster munitions to the Ukrainian military.

These munitions are banned by more than 100 nations because of the "large numbers of smaller bomblets that can kill indiscriminately over a wide area." In many cases, the victims are innocent civilians.

This decision will inevitably lead to an escalation as Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed his country has a "stockpile of different kinds of cluster bombs." He vowed, "if they are used against us, we reserve the right to take reciprocal action."

As the war intensifies, there seems to be zero progress on the diplomatic front. However, we need to pursue peace talks immediately before a nuclear war starts.

President Donald Trump has been sounding the alarm about the irresponsible actions of the Biden administration in Ukraine. He posted on Truth Social, "Joe Biden should not be dragging us further toward World War III by sending cluster munitions to Ukraine—he should be trying to END the war and stop the horrific death and destruction being caused by an incompetent administration."
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I guess now Ukrainians are going to wait until Russians fix the bridge and blow it up again to troll the enemy and show them the futility of their actions.


It's another instance where Russian pilot ejects and drowns. They should improve the systems in these jets, but then, Russians never had much regard for human life.

Glad we both agree that China needs a strong Russia, but I never claimed that China has some special attachment to the RF, but instead saying that they're behaving strictly in the interest of their own self-preservation, which is logical. Just not sure how you then do a 180 flip and try to argue that China can be convinced against that?

How many cookies do you think it'd take to turn Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgystan, Tajikistan against China if Russia falls? A half or they'll do it for free that same day? Willing to speculate how long you think Chinese commie regime would last after Russia falls, and it would be left with North Korea as their only ally?

A party that operates on 30yr+ horizons disregards human life and easily willing to sacrifice decades/generations for some ideology/long term goal, I mean sure, i guess with quantum uncertainty and multiverse technically anything is possible, just good luck convincing people that it's probable.

And you also contradicted yourself by bringing up North Korea, or do you really not know who's backing and allowing them to develop and threaten other with nukes?? But they wouldn't back Russia because of that   umm ok guess it is a position to take

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"...as any nation has interests and can be pressured and convinced..." you are correct here. So lets try it with other nations.

ChinaUSA as any nation has interests and can be pressured and convinced (I think more convinced than pressured) if it is in their interest. ChinaUSA does not have any more attachment to the RFUkraine that it would to any other instrument, party, country or organisation.

Now the million dollar question is what do you think is more likely to happen, Russia (and inevitable China) collapse thus leaving us with a one world government, or things reverting to their status quo circa 2013? And the biggest question is which would you really prefer.

Russians are planning to re-open bridge in 2 weeks, but I think that it will take few months because damage is very significant. It's only bad that railway part wasn't affected. Now it's possible to reach Crimea through occupied Southern Ukraine, but it doesn't looks like safest road.
BTW, it's nice that attack was made exactly on the same day when Medvedev promised instant judgement day if someone will try to attack Crimea bridge:
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/judgement-day-will-come-for-ukraine-if-crimea-is-attacked-they-cant-escape-russia-articleshow.html

Somehow I don't feel sorry after looking at their photos on social media, it looks that they were Rashists who support what Russia is doing in Ukraine:
https://vk.com/wall-49684148_4592988
It's not that Ukraine should start killing civilians, but people should undertand that illegal bridge isn't safest place and it's legitimate target.

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Meanwhile Russian jets continue to fall without even reaching front, this time Su-25 fall into Azov sea in Krasnodar region:
https://t.me/pdmnews/61287 Pilot died.

Of course Branko, everyone is useful for the mission right?


Nah, CCP government has no more resilience than the USSR did - do you remember or were you busy when it collapsed?

China as any nation has interests and can be pressured and convinced (I think more convinced than pressured) if it is in their interest. China does not have any more attachment to the RF that it would to any other instrument, party, country or organisation.

What I think is that China needs a strong Russia, to balance the US, and a balanced Russia that does threat with Nukes as a system of living (e.g. North Korea). Russia is not helping at all in any of these.

China is relatively organised and is using the opportunity to look like a mediator and a country of peace.

Parents decide to travel through a war zone with their child and everybody is amazed that they got killed? These people showed a total lack of responsibility for their child.
If this was the beginning of the war and they were trying to escape the conflict and died, like so many Ukrainians in 2020, I'd be more struck by their deaths, but they were careless and thought all these horrible things they were reading in the papers for a year could not happen to them.

This caught my eye, think you have fundamental misunderstanding of the conflict, which puts you in a constant state of bewilderment as to why something is (or is not) happening. Your curios mind led you here for answers, but all the local clown "experts" (propagandists) can do, is to overwhelm you with irrelevant micro level information to sway you their way. Any macro questions are discouraged and just covered by "crazy orcs" or nazis, to dissuade any further questions.

Look at US/NATO military bases around China, look where major military build up is happening outside of Ukraine theater, look at blockade of Cuba that's still going on for 30yrs+ and if anyone really cares for the right of sovereign nations or its people, and current justifications for it. Then ask yourself how long would the commie regime last after the fall of Russia and the sudden onset of democracy cookies (soft power) taken from the "irrelevant" countries/regions of the world and strategically given out say in Kazakhstan? Then the question whether the nation that coined such phrases as "death by a thousand cuts" and "If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by" can be convinced or pressured into stopping aid to Russia, should becomes irrelevant. As well as shed some light on why this counteroffensive was so drummed up, how it's really going, what will happen in about 8 weeks, mid September, once weather changes and any maneuvering becomes impossible and we revert back to positional arty scorched earth advances. Think which side is more affected by the build up of social/financial/political pressures/trends going into the winter and look into who historically benefits from this season

https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-open-japan-office-enable-indo-pacific-consultation-report-2023-05-03

I am sorry for the little girl who was injured there and that her parents died but Russia does not learn in any other way.There were a lot of people in the Crimean bridge right now from the traffic jam which is in kilometers because Russians were going on holiday there on Crimea,normally only crazy people go on holiday in a war zone like Crimea is.If I were those people in the Kerch bridge I would go back to Russia as who knows,some other underwater drones may be used again and this would be a catastrophic tragedy for all the people who still insist on staying there.Russia should start asking their citizens back from the bridge if they care about them at all.

Instead, crazy Russians seem pissed and volunteer for frontline in even bigger numbers

Story about wounded girl that lost mother and father in attack is as good as FSB could
ask for

If I were a Russian living in Crimea or other occupied territories I would start packing NOW.

Crimean Bridge is out of service, AGAIN. LOL.

Thanks for point that out, there are a few more recent yes, showing coordination between drones and HIMARS that show awesome coordination and combined arms in practice (to a point, since there are few planes and choppers).

It seems that Ukraine has adapted the tactics and are trying to find the right "grinding" process. Speaking of massive advances at this point would not be realistic, but what is happening in the background is as important in terms of getting to artillery attrition in a location and then going over demining, trench clearing and digging in. Looks slow, but also looks like the process is being refined.