Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 127. (Read 78223 times)

The sanctions against Russia not only have failed, badly, but they have made Russia stronger than ever. They are backfiring on the Biden team... and Congress, who support the sanctions for money purposes.

The more money that the US pumps into Ukraine, the higher inflation goes, to the detriment of the American people. But Russia grows.


India Consumes 11x More Crude Oil From Russia, Exposing Ineffectiveness Of Western Sanctions

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-consumes-11x-more-crude-oil-russia-exposing-ineffectiveness-western-sanctions
According to the data, export volumes were almost 11 times higher than last year's shipments over the same period and exceeded shipments for the whole of 2022. Last year, India imported 33.4 million tonnes of Russian crude oil.

It is another sign that Western sanctions have had a much smaller impact than expected on Russia's ability to export its natural resources.

During the period under review, Russia secured the title of India's primary supplier of crude oil, followed by Iraq (21.4 million tonnes) and Saudi Arabia (17.5 million tonnes).

Russian crude imports to India continued to grow over the summer, reaching a record 2.2 million barrels per day in June and rising for ten consecutive months, according to crude analyst firm Kpler.

Deliveries fell slightly in July to an average of 1.9 million barrels, according to a special report in the Morning Express newspaper earlier this week.

Analysts attributed the decline to the production cut agreed by the OPEC+ group, under which Moscow has pledged to reduce output by 500,000 barrels a day.
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Straw man (or as you would say "show me where I said that you're not answering my questions"). I don't care enough about your delusions to have any questions for you. Z-telegram is full of stuff that you keep reposting - boring, repetitive, mostly false garbage - so I'm quite familiar with the topic and the style, thank you very much. It's just funny to observe you pretending (or genuinely believing) that you're so smart being able to post it here.


Aaaaaand again with the "western news articles" and meaningless "questions" that I must answer because reasons. Let me try, maybe it will work for you... Do I look like I'm some sort of supervisor of "western news" and must explain everything they publish? Is "western news" with you in your room right now? Have you tried "eastern news" - maybe it would be less anxiety-inducing for you?

No, but you are obviously behind bars.  

Of course it says, but you are just not capable of calculating... Well, that's not my issue, dude...

All mayour outlets are doing it, some with addressing Kremlin lies, some without addressing it (properly).
There are many cases, for example the Bucha massacre.
While it's well proven that Russia did a massacre against Ukrainian civilians there and everyone (who's sane) condemned Russia's war crime, Russia claimed, it's "staged by Ukrainians" and we all know that's one of Putler's propaganda lies again to discredit Ukraine and deny Russian war crimes.
Media outlets have reported on it and tell what Ukraine says about + tell what Russia says about it. Some might add a part where Russia's lies are proven wrong, some outlets won't add anything, just the two sides and their quotes.
But I believe you are well aware about it and your question is just a rhetorical one.  
"We nEed tO hEaR boTh siDEs" - is a bit odd, where the russian side is straigh out lying.  

I've already answered your question but you didn't like my answer.
Here it is again: I've told you already that our radical right-wing party (AfD) is very unlikely to get into power and therefore the sane parties won't make Putin a favor and these parties will avoid to do anything where no proper proof is presented.
AfD is a fascist party and they will do everything to do their friend, Putler, a favor, no matter how many "could be's", "might's", "looks likes" and "if's" there'll be.
Heck, they won't need anything substantial to throw Ukraine under the bus right away because AfD is a bunch of fascist, corrupt, Kremlin-owned clowns.
The last non-idiots in leading positions have left AfD long ago, let's hear, what Jörg Meuthen, former AfD-Chairman (who has left AfD) said about AfD when he left: "I clearly see totalitarian tendencies". And that's why he left AfD. AfD loves totalitarian idiots like Trump or Putler.
And you are enabling them, AfD and Putler. Of course, not all AfD politicians are traitors, but the loudest ones are:

In favor to sue German weapons deliveries: AfD employee apparently begged in Moscow for money

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Interesting point, now we know why they are that active...  

Are you drunk or on drugs? Or a bot generating random words, because no coherent person can generate this word pasta. I asked how old are you, your response "look it up on my profile page" which doesn't say anything about your age. Then you say "Sometimes, some outlets are a bit too naive and just quote the Kremlin statements without addressing the lies" what outlets are you talking about? What planet are you currently on? So i quote Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, SPIEGEL and your reply is they are quoting Kremlin statements? Where? Show me! Then you start rambling about some German talk shows!?!? And then you finish off by "I've told you already that our radical right-wing party (AfD) is very unlikely to get into power and therefore the sane parties won't make Putin a favor and these parties will avoid to do anything where no proper proof is presented." that's great but when you sober up, can you actually attempt at answering the of question I asked you if Germany issued arrest warrants for those Ukrainians, would that make you concede that UA blew up Nord Stream?

Ahh on second thought, I now see that it's the classic case of Chewbacca defense, touche, bravo.


Chewbacca defense is a legal strategy in which a criminal defense lawyer tries to confuse the jury rather than refute the case of the prosecutor. It is an intentional distraction or obfuscation.

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Either show me where I'm not answering your questions or stop using long words that you don't know the meaning of.



I see that you're also seeing "Kremlin copypasta" everywhere. Care to point where this "Kremlin copypasta" is? Is "Kremlin copypasta" with you in your room right now? Are the western news articles themselves now "Kremlin copypasta"? And if it's not, then somehow me citing them is what's making it propaganda in your head? Or we're down to the simpletron level with the following logic: IF negative coverage of Ukraine THEN yell Kremlin propaganda!

Well, that is not unknown to happen, even in the US you could avoid the draft if you were one of the ones who could afford going to university. In other instances paying was simply legal - you could present someone to go in your place.

Now, I am sure that not all Ukrainians want to go to the front, however the fact that Zelensky got rid of these recruitment officials because they were taking bribes makes me think that he may actually be the right person for the future Ukraine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/11/zelenskiy-sacks-all-military-recruitment-heads-over-frontline-bribes-scandal-ukraine


All the arguments from this guy are really poor. He will just say something that is from unproven to simply false and then run smoke screens.

On the "Putin misunderstood" and "it is better not to support Ukraine to avoid people dying" he is so close to the official Kremlin propaganda as one can be.

LOL, another staple of Soviet/Putin propaganda - projection. All you got is Kremlin copypasta. Everything Putin does is great. Ukraine - terrorists. And you're the adult because you said so.

The sad part is that people like you probably won't ever admit they've been wrong, like most of Eastern Europe had to in late 1980s. Back then the truth was kind of unavoidable once it started pouring through the cracks in the iron curtain. These days you can just google something and pretend it supports your bubble and even find someone like BADecker to agree with you.

But hey, if it makes you happy, who am I to argue with that.

I don't understand why he fired them. They were simply copying him.

Oh, I get it. They were becoming to much like competition for him. Lol.


Zelensky Fires All Heads of Ukraine's Military Recruitment Amid Bribery Probe

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-fires-all-heads-ukraines-military-recruitment-over-bribery-probe
There's also a grim emerging consensus that Ukraine is suffering staggering losses. Even just before the counteroffensive's start, The Washington Post ran headlines such as Ukraine short of skilled troops and munitions as losses, pessimism grow.

Related this are all of the recent videos of young Ukrainian men being conscripted across the country which have widely circulated. Those who are fearful of being sent to the front are often actively engaging in evasive and, in some instances, illegal tactics to avoid such a fate. Some with money can pay off military recruitment officers, perhaps.

This week, even one of Kiev's most ardent supporters and NATO backers - Poland, has said the counteroffensive is likely to fail. Polish President Andrzej Duda said in a fresh Washington Post interview, "Does Ukraine have enough weapons to change the balance of the war and get the upper hand?" And he answered his rhetorical with - "Probably, no."

"We know this by the fact that they're not currently able to carry out a very decisive counteroffensive against the Russian military," Duda conceded. "To make a long story short, they need more assistance." And now on the battlefield, the Kharkiv area is being evacuated of civilians amid Russian advances.

A new announcement by President Volodymyr Zelensky on Friday has further confirmed this pessimistic view of Kiev's prospects, as the government has fired all heads of military recruitment on concerns of rampant corruption. Zelensky has dismissed all heads of Ukraine's regional military committees as authorities conduct a sweeping probe into bribery allegations.
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Researching seems to be a very difficult challenge for you but you can look it up on my profile page. 


I've claimed nowhere that western media is spreading Putin propaganda.
Of course, western media will report about "traces leading to Ukraine, traces of explosives found on the ship" etc. etc. because western media is far less corrupt than your Putler TV counterpart.
But "traces leading to Ukraine, traces of explosives found on the ship" doesn't mean that Ukraine DID it: traces can be faked by Putler to accuse Ukraine and even the whole "Ukrainian boat" story might be untrue as pointed out because Russian ships have been located there as well: Putin's secret convoi.
Sometimes, some outlets are a bit too naive and just quote the Kremlin statements without addressing the lies. That's a big issue because addressing the Kremlin misinformation right away is very important.
For some outlets, it's also an issue that a few authors are deliberate Putin apologists and they are obsessed with defending Putins war crimes and try to get their bullshit text into German publications and even on TV.
Like you, they are competely obsessed and their only "mission" is to defend Putler. Like always in our talk shows, where always a Putin apologist is invited as a guest and their only part is to spread Putin's disproven propaganda again and again in German talk shows.
Like: "delievering weapons to Ukraine is fueling the war", "we need to talk to Putin", "Putin is misunderstood", "but NATO bad", "Ukraine needs to concede territory to Russia" etc. etc. etc...
These people are very annoying and a big joke (like you).

For them, it's all about trying to push these Kremlin talking points again and again to sow discord and doubt.

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I've told you already that our radical right-wing party (AfD) is very unlikely to get into power and therefore the sane parties won't make Putin a favor and these parties will avoid to do anything where no proper proof is presented.
Obviously, you are at the point, where you would like to throw Ukraine under the bus and nothing is too shady for you to do it.

So, once again:

No really, how old are you? You do realize that this is not coming from Putin or even RU sources, and that now you're accusing western media of pushing Putin's propaganda?

I also cannot disprove that you're a cannibal who likes eating children, and you're glad of such confirmation, which proves absolutely nothing? That's what stands behind the whole concept of proof, and how the burden of proof, in adult world, falls on the claimant, as in majority of cases it's simply impossible to disprove a negative. You should get to that in grade 10 or thereabout, now it's very time consuming to educate you, until you can find some citations to your outlandish conspiracy theories just sit quietly and let the adults speak, as your personal opinions carry 0 weight.

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Cool justification for not engaging in adult conversations but just making this forum an endless stream of twitter copypasta/shitposting from both sides.

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I asked you directly if Germany issuing arrest warrants for those Ukrainians would make you concede that UA blew up Nord Stream? Or you're at the point where new facts don't really matter?

Gulag is too fancy, some might even survive... I think the current Kremlin Clown prefers to punish his loyal subjects by sending them to Ukraine to participate in the special cannon fodder operation.

Amazing, sigspammer's paradise.  

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Ruzzia is on the mindset of applying the same method that they use at home to turn the constituents in democracies against Ukraine. At this moment they are shouting over an over that the offensive is a failure. By force of repetition and with some echo in selected western media, they pretend to shape public opinion. It is not the first time and it will not be the last.

My hope is that people from Europe, US and other countries can discern at minimum their own best interests in all this.

RAND!?!  Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  Better check in with Chatham House (and their various properties) to get the 'consensus' you need.

You putting question marks on your sentences doesn't make then something to be answered. "Firehose" of loaded questions used to be prominent in Soviet propaganda and Putin has clearly evolved this style for the new intertubes era.


But let me guess, these are the bad lizards, can't believe this article, Ukrainians did it.

Nice to have your confirmation that you can't disprove that Putin faked this "Ukrainian boat" story to accuse Ukraine and destroy Ukraine's coalition. 

That's cheap coming from a person who can't prove that Ukraine is definitely behind it. 
As I've said before, Putin really likes to lie to the public and even to his loyal serfs. 
The problem with Putins propaganda is one thing: it's created that way that it's really difficult to be proven wrong because it's just trying to achieve one thing: His propaganda doesn't need to stick, it's enough if it's causing enough fear, uncertainty, doubt and discord between Ukraine's allies. And Putin could still put his useless pipeline in a martyr role: blow it up and accuse "evil Ukraine has destroyed his great pipeline".
Putin knows very well, that his loyal apologists will push even the dumbest stories, where every time someone else except Russia is at fault. Russia invades Ukraine? Everyone is at fault but not Russia. Russia bombed Ukraine? It didn't happen or Ukraine bombed itself. According to Putler's propaganda, it's never Russia.
He's committing war crimes and at the same time he's playing the victim card. And Kremlin trolls like you are enabling that.
Shame, shame. 


Well, that's an outright lie, I have never claimed that the earth would be flat. 
No need to bring up any stupid strawmen here...
What else could we expect from dumb pricks like you... 

I've stopped counting, but probably we are at post number 10 or 11 right now...
Must be extremely important to you to defend war criminal Putler.

Putin is really proud to have loyal serfs like you because without them, his propaganda wouldn't stick as easily as loyal serfs like you are spreading them constantly. 

Mentions global lizards, but doesn't answer the question, can't say im surprised. Mind citing recent "lots of different opinions" (outside of 1miau hallucinations) that lead to Russia as the saboteur, i'd love to read them.

(I'm fully expecting UA sources or "go search the internet" for proof to my claims yourself   )

Edit: As far as credibility, we're all (i hope) are aware of inherent biases. We fully expect bias in UA coverage of RU (and vise versa), RU/US spokesman coverage of their respective countries (it's literally their job), lawyers arguing for their side (which they get paid for), CNN bias towards republicans, FOX's bias towards democrats etc etc etc Every critical thinking person should take such claims with a healthy portion of inherent criticism. Parent claiming innocence of their child is not a surprise but is expected, parent expressing doubt about their child's innocence should be paid attention to. So it's not that the source is biased (everyone is to a degree), it's how they're biased vs. how they cover the event is what's important. That's what makes western media's coverage and publishing stories linking this sabotage to UA (multiply that by their bias towards UA) is why it's so unprecedented. That carries a lot more weight than RU sources claiming the same.

None of which we're supposed to trust because global lizard conspiracy against Russia, or is that different now?

But I get it, the free speech thing and freedom in general is confusing. Lots of different opinions and not just one party telling you what to think.

I have not provided any proof that aliens don't exist either, so why it shouldn't be possible that aliens did it? Or why it shouldn't be possible that Putin rode a narwhal? etc, etc, etc ...

I'm sure your think of yourself as some sort of expert and that we should all care about what is plausible to you, but here no one really cares for your conspiracy theories and about your extensive research on how the world is flat. (Just, as in all fairness, no one should really cares why i think it's a sphere). We either put up a reliable sources or stop wasting everyone's time by seeding doubt with your silly nonsense opinions.  
You claim a nonexistent "false flag" conspiracy theory with 0 proof, i provide SPIEGEL article that straight up says expert consider "false flag" is extremely unlikely, and then you ask me to proof that something never existed in the first place   you don't even attempt to answer any of my questions on why all of the western media is publishing this, just keep saying that aliens did it, it's like debating with a kid

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How stupid would you sound if i never pretended that it happened in Sweden or Denmark? It happened within the economic zones of Denmark and Sweden. That's why they're doing the investigation and not allowing Russia access to investigate it themselves, and how they delayed approving the project in the first place. And then you'd sound even dumber when you'll find out that i never said it was terrorism either. Do you always first make up stuff and then start arguing with it yourself?

But looks like professor at Columbia did call it terrorism in front of UN, perhaps you should argue with him on the wording?

Why is he saying this? Why is Netherlands saying they warned USA 3 months before the attack? Why CIA director is on record saying that there are no links to Russia? And every news outlet posting stories about links to Ukraine? *crickets*crickets*crickets...

Nice collection of loaded questions and other insinuations. Good indication of how you tend to twist anything and generally have no interest in discussing stuff in good faith.

First of all, acceptance? LOL. It's a hypothetical. I don't know who did it, nor do you no matter how hard you pretend.

Then you're trying to pretend as if it happened in Sweden or Denmark. It didn't. Nor do the pipelines belong to Sweden or Denmark. It's Gazprom property in international waters. Not much different than sinking a Russian ship in Black Sea.

But yeah, some governments and news sources and perhaps even some users of this forum would use big words like "sabotage" (not "terrorism" though; try a dictionary if you're confused) if the implication is that the "bad guys" did it, and likely would use different words if it was the "good guys", I'll give you that. This doesn't make your speculations into facts, it just makes you a doofus who can't (or doesn't want to) tell the difference.

You clearly have not understand anything from what I've explained to you. I have quoted the maritime expert because he's a maritime expert and not an explosives expert. The operation is far more than xx kg of explosives. You don't do this sort of operation on a day trip. Not on this ship, not 100s of km from the German cost, where the Andromeda was rented, not for 3x blowing up the pipelines. 
But since you claim a possible Russian false flag has been refutet, you have not provided any proof, why it shouldn't be possible that Russia has left these traces on the "Ukrainian boat" intentionally.
The version of Russia leaving these traces of "light" explosives intentionally would be very plausible to make their story more "legitimate".

I'm always surprised to see people like you  completely overlooking the fact that only 3 pipelines out of 4 were detonated. Guess what? Maybe people would see the clear picture that only Putin has to gain something to blow up 3 of 4 Pipelines of that useless gas pipeline.