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Today 5 Azov commanders returned from Turkey together with Zelensky. There was agreement between Turkey and Russia thatthey will stay in Turkey until end of war, but now nobody didn't asked permission from Russia and Peskov is already crying about it:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/8/ukraines-zelenskyy-returns-azov-commanders-released-to-turkey
I think I don't have tell what's going on in Z telegram channels and what's their reaction about these news Cheesy. In outcome of this story only thing that Russia got is Medvedchuk, but I'm not sure what' they're going to do with him.

Bakhmut must be taken before New Years, before the war aniversary, before victory day, etc.

It doesn't really make sense outside of Kremlin bubble. No one in Vilnius is gonna say "oh well, Zelensky has not taken Crimea by the 15 ruble brigade idiots who spread Putin's propaganda for free> so let's stop giving them weapons". If anything they will give more weapons or certain types of weapons that may address some of the issues encountered during the alleged counteroffensive. Progress is obvious and goals remain the same, concern trolling notwithstanding.
They like to create narrative and then they start to believe in it like it would be actually true. It can be said about thing that Russians is spreading now - Ukraine should reach something significant before NATO summit, otherwise they won't get more help from West. But people in West aren't stupid, I doubt that they expected that Ukraine will cut land corridor to Crimea or something similar, especially without much support from air.
Meanwhile, USA recently confirmed that they will supply cluster munition to Ukraine. I just remind that Ukraine didn't ratified convention on ban of cluster munition, so, everything is ok there.
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Russia isn't sitting around doing nothing in the world. The war is something that is simply strengthing her resolve to move ahead in a bunch of bold ways. Here is one of them.


Breaking news: Russia Confirms "BRICS" To Launch Gold-Backed Currency



https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-russia-confirms-brics-to-launch-gold-backed-currency
The official announcement is expected during the upcoming BRICS Summit in South Africa, this August.

If this takes place, it will likely mark the end of "fiat" currencies like the US Dollar, which is backed by nothing.

How fast nations around the world switch to using this new gold-backed currency for their foreign trade, is anyone's guess.   

The more countries that choose to use this new currency, the more foreign-held US Dollars will come rushing back to the USA from those countries, which no longer need to hold US Dollars for their foreign trade.   As those Dollars come back to the USA, it will cause inflation to spike in ways never-before seen here in America.

The US manufactures almost nothing here anymore.  Almost everything we buy and sell in the USA is made overseas.   As US dollars come flooding back from overseas, the value of the US dollar will plummet versus other currencies, which means it will take many more US Dollars to buy goods from foreign countries.

Hence, sudden and dramatic inflation here at home.
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I have heard this news being promoted heavily by Chinese/Asian accounts in Linkedin and they were showing it as some huge achievement,it may look like so in the beginning but in fact it is very difficult to achieve and Russia want to start it because they have lost their power in eyes of Europe and all the other countries there are beside Russia and China are poor African countries which would not scare me as the US is still super powerful and is the leading economy in the world,surely such BRICS move won't be able to fight against such giant economy.For me this move confirms the further isolation of Russia but let's see how it unfolds as loads of Asian accounts as I said are heavily promoting this BRICS thing.

Except that there are loads of Americans and American businesses that would love to use a gold backed currency. Americans will figure out how to do it even if the US government says, "NO." Russia should consider making a blockchain with each currency bill listed, so people all have record of whose Gold-money it all is.

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Russia isn't sitting around doing nothing in the world. The war is something that is simply strengthing her resolve to move ahead in a bunch of bold ways. Here is one of them.


Breaking news: Russia Confirms "BRICS" To Launch Gold-Backed Currency



https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-russia-confirms-brics-to-launch-gold-backed-currency
The official announcement is expected during the upcoming BRICS Summit in South Africa, this August.

If this takes place, it will likely mark the end of "fiat" currencies like the US Dollar, which is backed by nothing.

How fast nations around the world switch to using this new gold-backed currency for their foreign trade, is anyone's guess.   

The more countries that choose to use this new currency, the more foreign-held US Dollars will come rushing back to the USA from those countries, which no longer need to hold US Dollars for their foreign trade.   As those Dollars come back to the USA, it will cause inflation to spike in ways never-before seen here in America.

The US manufactures almost nothing here anymore.  Almost everything we buy and sell in the USA is made overseas.   As US dollars come flooding back from overseas, the value of the US dollar will plummet versus other currencies, which means it will take many more US Dollars to buy goods from foreign countries.

Hence, sudden and dramatic inflation here at home.
...



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I have heard this news being promoted heavily by Chinese/Asian accounts in Linkedin and they were showing it as some huge achievement,it may look like so in the beginning but in fact it is very difficult to achieve and Russia want to start it because they have lost their power in eyes of Europe and all the other countries there are beside Russia and China are poor African countries which would not scare me as the US is still super powerful and is the leading economy in the world,surely such BRICS move won't be able to fight against such giant economy.For me this move confirms the further isolation of Russia but let's see how it unfolds as loads of Asian accounts as I said are heavily promoting this BRICS thing.
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Russia isn't sitting around doing nothing in the world. The war is something that is simply strengthing her resolve to move ahead in a bunch of bold ways. Here is one of them.


Breaking news: Russia Confirms "BRICS" To Launch Gold-Backed Currency



https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-russia-confirms-brics-to-launch-gold-backed-currency
The official announcement is expected during the upcoming BRICS Summit in South Africa, this August.

If this takes place, it will likely mark the end of "fiat" currencies like the US Dollar, which is backed by nothing.

How fast nations around the world switch to using this new gold-backed currency for their foreign trade, is anyone's guess.   

The more countries that choose to use this new currency, the more foreign-held US Dollars will come rushing back to the USA from those countries, which no longer need to hold US Dollars for their foreign trade.   As those Dollars come back to the USA, it will cause inflation to spike in ways never-before seen here in America.

The US manufactures almost nothing here anymore.  Almost everything we buy and sell in the USA is made overseas.   As US dollars come flooding back from overseas, the value of the US dollar will plummet versus other currencies, which means it will take many more US Dollars to buy goods from foreign countries.

Hence, sudden and dramatic inflation here at home.
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Don't compare Ukraine's counteroffensive with the Bakhmut Meat Grinder. Russia could afford to advance slowly, Ukraine cannot, because time is Russia's ally and Ukraine's enemy. Zelensky is now in an extremely unenviable position between a rock and a hard place - on the one hand, quick successes are needed for the NATO summit in Vilnius, which will begin in five days, and on the other hand, Ukraine cannot now make Russia very angry, because the extension of the grain deal, which expires July 18th. Difficult choice.

This date thing seems to be a major fetish with Russian propaganda, along with the personality thing.

Zaluzhny dead, Budanov dead, Zelensky on cocaine, etc.

Bakhmut must be taken before New Years, before the war aniversary, before victory day, etc.

It doesn't really make sense outside of Kremlin bubble. No one in Vilnius is gonna say "oh well, Zelensky has not taken Crimea by the 15 ruble brigade idiots who spread Putin's propaganda for free> so let's stop giving them weapons". If anything they will give more weapons or certain types of weapons that may address some of the issues encountered during the alleged counteroffensive. Progress is obvious and goals remain the same, concern trolling notwithstanding.

They already approved a lot of new weapons for Ukraine including the so contested cluster munitions in the latest aid package for Ukraine just signed yesterday by Biden.I think that they will be enough to offer some sort of benefit to advancing counter offensive as it is a 1200 km front line and honestly without F-16 aerial support it is tough as we see but yet Ukraine is gaining even being behind in sky combat against Russia,Zaluzhny is a great general who had his birthday today or yesterday and everybody was congratulating him,it is all thanks to him and Western support that Ukraine is on the winning side so far.
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Don't compare Ukraine's counteroffensive with the Bakhmut Meat Grinder. Russia could afford to advance slowly, Ukraine cannot, because time is Russia's ally and Ukraine's enemy. Zelensky is now in an extremely unenviable position between a rock and a hard place - on the one hand, quick successes are needed for the NATO summit in Vilnius, which will begin in five days, and on the other hand, Ukraine cannot now make Russia very angry, because the extension of the grain deal, which expires July 18th. Difficult choice.

This date thing seems to be a major fetish with Russian propaganda, along with the personality thing.

Zaluzhny dead, Budanov dead, Zelensky on cocaine, etc.

Bakhmut must be taken before New Years, before the war aniversary, before victory day, etc.

It doesn't really make sense outside of Kremlin bubble. No one in Vilnius is gonna say "oh well, Zelensky has not taken Crimea by the 15 ruble brigade idiots who spread Putin's propaganda for free> so let's stop giving them weapons". If anything they will give more weapons or certain types of weapons that may address some of the issues encountered during the alleged counteroffensive. Progress is obvious and goals remain the same, concern trolling notwithstanding.
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If the US went into REAL action against Russia, Russia would be hard pressed to survive. But the US keeps diddling around with silliness, like the sanctions. That's why the US is failing in Ukraine.

It's not going to happen because Russians would know the end is near and use nukes. In a conventional war the US would win, but in a nuclear war nobody wins. We all get wiped out in a blast or get cancer and both sides know it.


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That's not necessarily true. If the big majority of Americans felt it necessary to prepare for war fast, so that the whole country with mind and soul went to work at it, things would be different.

As it is, Americans are too busy playing with their toys (and fentanyl) to want to prepare for war. Besides, America has nukes, but not even Russia is sure that they want to destroy the world... except for people who are promoting virus warfare... like Big Pharma.



The War We're Finally Allowed to See



http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2023/july/07/the-war-we-re-finally-allowed-to-see/
While Tynda and his team were fighting from the trench, long and powerful fusillades had issued from another Ukrainian position, on a hilltop behind them. I later went there with Tynda. In a blind overlooking the no man's land stood an improbably antique contraption on iron wheels: a Maxim gun, the first fully automatic weapon ever made. Although this particular model dated from 1945, it was virtually identical to the original version, which was invented in 1884: a knobbed crank handle, wooden grips, a lidded compartment for adding cold water or snow when the barrel overheated….

In the course of the past year, the US has furnished Ukraine with more than thirty-five billion dollars in security assistance. Why, given the American largesse, had the 28th Brigade resorted to such a museum piece? A lot of equipment has been damaged or destroyed on the battlefield. At the same time, Ukraine appears to have forgone refitting debilitated units in order to stockpile for a large-scale offensive that is meant to take place later this spring. At least eight new brigades have been formed from scratch to spearhead the campaign. While these units have been receiving weapons, tanks, and training from the US and Europe, veteran brigades like the 28th have had to hold the line with the dregs of a critically depleted arsenal.

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In Mogelson’s writing we meet conscripts sent to the front after little or no training. He describes one man who was kidnapped on a city sidewalk and was under Russian fire three days later. Paralyzing fright, exhaustion, demoralization, desertions, a sort of Beetle Bailey incompetence—these are rampant among the green draftees that now make up the majority of the AFU’s infantry. They fight with Vietnam-era vehicles shipped from the US, or muzzle-loaded mortars long out of production, or Soviet-era weapons left over from the pre–1991 days—and, withal, too little ammunition for this kind of matériel to make any difference at all.

A 1945 Maxim gun of 1884 design? Jeez. Mogelson is right to question, if too briefly, where may be all the weapons the US and NATO allies are shipping into Ukraine. A great number of them have already been destroyed, he reports, which comes as no surprise. Being as close to the scene as he put himself earlier this spring, he would have done well to tell us something about the greedheads who run the regime and the military as they sell shocking amounts of arms into the black market as soon as they arrive across the Polish border.
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If the US went into REAL action against Russia, Russia would be hard pressed to survive. But the US keeps diddling around with silliness, like the sanctions. That's why the US is failing in Ukraine.

It's not going to happen because Russians would know the end is near and use nukes. In a conventional war the US would win, but in a nuclear war nobody wins. We all get wiped out in a blast or get cancer and both sides know it.

I would not like to be the undersupplied Rusky soldier finding out in the battlefield.

They don't care. They got offered freedom and their whole criminal career wiped out from the papers if they survive 6 months in Ukraine. I've seen a few war prisoners saying that on record.
They're willing to try their luck as some of these people are on life sentences in Russia, so getting wounded in battle is much better than dying in prison. They hope they'll either have a chance to surrender to Ukrainians or get wounded and spend a few months in the hospital.
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Ukraine is pushing seriously now and they are just south west of Bakhmut because I think it is a huge psychological blow if they get back it from Russians in less than 2 months this is a huge blow to Russian moral also.They are fighting in different fronts and they are making little progress every day,this shows their consistency and their perseverance in liberating as many square meters as possible and to made it free again.As Prigozhin said in its latest video before the march to Moscow that a huge amount of soldiers from Russian army and Wagner were dead for nothing,for just another star in Russian defense minister jacket,it is the motivation that dictates the victory and it is clear who have much more motivation to fight.

These guys doesn't look motivated at all

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1676985238667292674/pu/vid/672x848/2hGLNKNy-woXVL8T.mp4?tag=12%20type=

Just like Genghis Khan. "Spend all that energy attacking the enemy... not your comrades."

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Great, I'm happy we can agree that Ukrainians are slowly pushing into the occupied territories.

You two can, I disagree Smiley

Ukraine is pushing into occupied territories and freeing parts of Belgorod but it is not happening slowly if you judge this with the same criteria used for the RF army to assess their lighting invasion of Bakhmut.

On a more serious interpretation: we talk more often about what we can see and measure easily, thus we tend to look at the map and say: progress is 10 km2 today. But what we do not see is the grinding, the morale, the inability to maintain logistics... There is a lot more than it meets the eye in battlefront and a whole iceberg sitting underwater in terms of logistics, sabotage, lack of technological components, difficulties in levying more troops...

As said, the front does not collapse... until it does.

Ukraine is pushing seriously now and they are just south west of Bakhmut because I think it is a huge psychological blow if they get back it from Russians in less than 2 months this is a huge blow to Russian moral also.They are fighting in different fronts and they are making little progress every day,this shows their consistency and their perseverance in liberating as many square meters as possible and to made it free again.As Prigozhin said in its latest video before the march to Moscow that a huge amount of soldiers from Russian army and Wagner were dead for nothing,for just another star in Russian defense minister jacket,it is the motivation that dictates the victory and it is clear who have much more motivation to fight.

These guys doesn't look motivated at all

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1676985238667292674/pu/vid/672x848/2hGLNKNy-woXVL8T.mp4?tag=12%20type=
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Its only logical, because they're equally reliable

Great, I'm happy we can agree that Ukrainians are slowly pushing into the occupied territories.

You two can, I disagree Smiley

Ukraine is pushing into occupied territories and freeing parts of Belgorod but it is not happening slowly if you judge this with the same criteria used for the RF army to assess their lighting invasion of Bakhmut.

On a more serious interpretation: we talk more often about what we can see and measure easily, thus we tend to look at the map and say: progress is 10 km2 today. But what we do not see is the grinding, the morale, the inability to maintain logistics... There is a lot more than it meets the eye in battlefront and a whole iceberg sitting underwater in terms of logistics, sabotage, lack of technological components, difficulties in levying more troops...

As said, the front does not collapse... until it does.
Don't compare Ukraine's counteroffensive with the Bakhmut Meat Grinder. Russia could afford to advance slowly, Ukraine cannot, because time is Russia's ally and Ukraine's enemy. Zelensky is now in an extremely unenviable position between a rock and a hard place - on the one hand, quick successes are needed for the NATO summit in Vilnius, which will begin in five days, and on the other hand, Ukraine cannot now make Russia very angry, because the extension of the grain deal, which expires July 18th. Difficult choice.

I think Ukraine has finally said goodbye to dreams of cutting off the land corridor to the Crimea and reaching Melitopol. Now the most likely direction to achieve at least some success is to increase pressure in the vicinity of Bakhmut, this does not make sense from a military point of view, but the capture of Klescheevka can probably be sold to Western sponsors as a media victory. True, for this you will have to throw the most combat-ready part of the strategic reserves on the sacrificial altar, but who cares? Russia is definitely not going to attack in the Kremennaya area, everything suits it in the current configuration of the front line. Grin
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Its only logical, because they're equally reliable

Great, I'm happy we can agree that Ukrainians are slowly pushing into the occupied territories.

You two can, I disagree Smiley

Ukraine is pushing into occupied territories and freeing parts of Belgorod but it is not happening slowly if you judge this with the same criteria used for the RF army to assess their lighting invasion of Bakhmut.

On a more serious interpretation: we talk more often about what we can see and measure easily, thus we tend to look at the map and say: progress is 10 km2 today. But what we do not see is the grinding, the morale, the inability to maintain logistics... There is a lot more than it meets the eye in battlefront and a whole iceberg sitting underwater in terms of logistics, sabotage, lack of technological components, difficulties in levying more troops...

As said, the front does not collapse... until it does.

Ukraine is pushing seriously now and they are just south west of Bakhmut because I think it is a huge psychological blow if they get back it from Russians in less than 2 months this is a huge blow to Russian moral also.They are fighting in different fronts and they are making little progress every day,this shows their consistency and their perseverance in liberating as many square meters as possible and to made it free again.As Prigozhin said in its latest video before the march to Moscow that a huge amount of soldiers from Russian army and Wagner were dead for nothing,for just another star in Russian defense minister jacket,it is the motivation that dictates the victory and it is clear who have much more motivation to fight.
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Its only logical, because they're equally reliable

Great, I'm happy we can agree that Ukrainians are slowly pushing into the occupied territories.

You two can, I disagree Smiley

Ukraine is pushing into occupied territories and freeing parts of Belgorod but it is not happening slowly if you judge this with the same criteria used for the RF army to assess their lighting invasion of Bakhmut.

On a more serious interpretation: we talk more often about what we can see and measure easily, thus we tend to look at the map and say: progress is 10 km2 today. But what we do not see is the grinding, the morale, the inability to maintain logistics... There is a lot more than it meets the eye in battlefront and a whole iceberg sitting underwater in terms of logistics, sabotage, lack of technological components, difficulties in levying more troops...

As said, the front does not collapse... until it does.
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^^^ It's a good thing we have a few people who are showing us what's really going on in Ukraine... and with the war... and the world. Video included.


Colonel Douglas Macgregor Goes Full On Apocalyptic: "I Don't Think We'll Ever Get To The 2024 Election"



https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/colonel-douglas-macgregor-goes-full
Retired US Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor, a decorated combat veteran, author of five books, a PhD, and a Defense and Foreign Policy consultant, has been covering PSYOP-UKRAINE-INVASION with uncanny accuracy and insight.

Three days ago he appeared on the PBD Podcast, and made what may just be his most dystopian prediction to date:

I don't think we'll ever get to the 2024 election.

I think things are going to implode in Washington before then.

I think our economic Financial condition is fragile - it's going to come home to roost in ugly ways.

Now I will tell you I don't know exactly how it will happen, but I think we're going to end up in a situation where we find out the banks are closed for two or three weeks, and nobody can get into them.

I think we're going to run into something like that.

I also think that the levels of violence and criminality in our cities is so high that it's going to spill over into other places in society.

People that normally think they can live remote from the problem are now beginning to be touched by the problem.

Then I look at this thing in Ukraine.

I think Ukraine is going to lose catastrophically - it's going to be a complete collapse and that too is going to have an effect here at home because people are going to say, well, wait a minute everybody told us Ukraine was winning, everybody told us X Y and Z.

I mean sort of the the Russian hoax on steroids.

All of those things are going to come together or converge in some way that's going to prevent us from reaching you know the status quo. Oh. another election... Oh, another set of campaigns... And so forth...

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Great, I'm happy we can agree that Ukrainians are slowly pushing into the occupied territories.
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Let's conduct a dialogue in a more substantive way, without slipping into propaganda slogans. Where exactly can one observe "sufficient advance" of Ukraine, in which particular sectors of the front? What scale do I need to look at the maps to notice the progress of Ukraine?

I understand that you are more passionate about your crystal ball and wet fantasies in the style of "how everything will be fine when the West gives F16 and long-range missiles", but let's somehow get back closer to reality.

Let me guess, if someone gives you links to ISW/liveuamap/Deep State maps you'll call it Western propaganda and demand Konashenkov-approved maps?


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Oh, a "constructive" conversation. You can have a look at Andrew Perpetua maps, tend to be accurate and any pro-RF mapper of your choice. You will see some discrepancies, but one thing is clear: Ukraine is able to advance.

On the F-16, nothing will be all-right, it will only be better. It is a decent plane (particularly the modernised versions) and carries a ton of payload. You could potentially have Air to Ground, HARM, Air to Air, GBUs and a long range missile all loaded in a mission. The radar is also decent. The caveat is that the Su35 seems to have some detection advantage... depending on who would you like to believe of course.

But... and here comes the fun, the f16 can carry and shoot with a high likelihood of success long range Air to Air (really nasty and quick beasts). So... sorry for those Su35 that get with 100 miles of the front.


But let's talk strategy and not tactics: My guess is that passing f16s to Ukraine is a carefully calculated move by the US. As one of my favourite bloggers said, "this is like a competition in which each side keeps throwing 100 dollar bills to a fire and the side that keeps for longer gains an advantage". If Ukraine has f16s on the air, the RF needs to keep Su35s / Mig 31s in the air. You would not believe how ridiculously low flight hours fighter jets can do before going to a massive refurb or directly to the scrapyard, how costly is to keep them running and how they stretch the logistics.

This is a weapon that can potentially "demilitarise" the RF "Aerospatial" forces.

I hope this provides some insight on why f16s and why from the US, instead of other options.

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Let's conduct a dialogue in a more substantive way, without slipping into propaganda slogans. Where exactly can one observe "sufficient advance" of Ukraine, in which particular sectors of the front? What scale do I need to look at the maps to notice the progress of Ukraine?

I understand that you are more passionate about your crystal ball and wet fantasies in the style of "how everything will be fine when the West gives F16 and long-range missiles", but let's somehow get back closer to reality.

Let me guess, if someone gives you links to ISW/liveuamap/Deep State maps you'll call it Western propaganda and demand Konashenkov-approved maps?


Its only logical, because they're equally reliable
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Let's conduct a dialogue in a more substantive way, without slipping into propaganda slogans. Where exactly can one observe "sufficient advance" of Ukraine, in which particular sectors of the front? What scale do I need to look at the maps to notice the progress of Ukraine?

I understand that you are more passionate about your crystal ball and wet fantasies in the style of "how everything will be fine when the West gives F16 and long-range missiles", but let's somehow get back closer to reality.

Let me guess, if someone gives you links to ISW/liveuamap/Deep State maps you'll call it Western propaganda and demand Konashenkov-approved maps?
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The song Ukrainians are singing... from James Bond - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwLXDv6jXr4 - Matt Monro vocalizing.

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There are recent news of a re-cycling of Israeli Merkava MBTs.  This is fat and ugly main battletank developed by Israel in several versions since late 70's to the latest version (uglier, fatter and more frightening) versions as recently as 2023.

According to some sources up to 200 of these tanks are going to be bought by an "undisclosed European buyer". Now, this tanks is not ideal for Ukraine because is the heaviest out there, so I am thinking if some other country could exchange these for their old soviet era stuff and pass these to Ukraine, or maybe Ukraine would rather have 200 Merkava III for themselves, which are readily available.

I would not like to be the undersupplied Rusky soldier finding out in the battlefield.



Edited --- Apparently one of the two countries buying is Cyprus. Cyprus has a number of T-80s that may find way to Ukraine.
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