Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 132. (Read 77398 times)

You do realize that you made no attempt to argue that it wasn't terrorism from UA side, but instead just justified it as a response to another terrorism. Or do you not realize that terrorism is not mutually exclusive? My ministry of propaganda told me that the enemy blew up "our" kindergarten, so i was activated to blow up "their" kindergarten in response thus i'm not a terrorist logic?  

And if you didn't consider your audience to be complete imbeciles, when stating how many square kms were "liberated", for a full picture and objectivity wouldn't you also include how many square kilometers were also "lost" on other fronts?

@OgNasty, if you do not like "paying for this war" (I wonder if you have noticed that many "pay" with their lives)... if you do not like paying this I say, just figure out how much would you need to pay if going back to the Cold War. That is expensive, and much more since you have a much bigger China.

US, Europe an Russia have had the dividend of peace, but you should not take that for granted if RF "wins" or looks to "win".

You do realize that you made no attempt to argue that it wasn't terrorism from UA side, but instead just justified it as a response to another terrorism. Or do you not realize that terrorism is not mutually exclusive? My ministry of propaganda told me that the enemy blew up "our" kindergarten, so i was activated to blow up "their" kindergarten in response thus i'm not a terrorist logic?  

And if you didn't consider your audience to be complete imbeciles, when stating how many square kms were "liberated", for a full picture and objectivity wouldn't you also include how many square kilometers were also "lost" on other fronts?

So how does it feel for Russians to see two drones striking some buildings in the center of Moscow?I am sure they like it and Ukrainian counter offensive is going slowly but gradually having liberated another 16.4 km square in the south front last week.I don't understand the press statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia that name the attack as a terrorist attack by the Kyiv regime when in fact Russia is applying terror against Ukraine more than 1.5 year now,this is just plain Ukrainian response to terror and they should gain momentum and hit even further so Russian start thinking if the war is worth continuing or not as they are not getting anything.

I think you should stop comsuming so much Russia propaganda if you're going to keep falling for it.

What Is a Peace Dividend?
A peace dividend is an economic boost a country will get from a peace that follows a war. In theory, at that time the government can afford to reduce defense spending and reallocate the money to domestic policy priorities.

This assumes that the money recouped from defense spending is generally used for the good of society and human or sustainable development; projects that involve new housing, education, and healthcare, for example.

Right. Everybody is tired of Putin's pussyfooting around. Let's get down to business, and wipe Ukraine from the face of the earth... which Russia could easily do.

But that isn't in the best interests of anybody. The way to do it is to do it peacefully. What's peaceful about the Ukraine war? The fact that Russia is showing that it can be trusted in two ways:
1. That it is easily strong enough to take on anybody in the world and win;
2. That it is aiming for peaceful trade along with respect for all nations... the reason it isn't simply wiping Ukraine out and continuing on with all of Nato.

Many Russians want a powerful leader, like having Stalin back. They simply don't understand how Stalin endangered them all. Putin is looking and planning for the distant future... a time when Russia can be at peace with everybody, and everybody with Russia. And, of course, a not so distant future, where he might be able to retire and live a long life in peace.

If Putin goes down now, and is replaced by Medvedev or somebody like him, Russia will do to the world what Hitler was trying to do... take it all. There is nobody that is strong enough or united enough to stop them. Be glad they have Putin... for the salvation of the world. At least for the present time.

It is really funny to talk about losing morale for Ukrainian soldiers which every day are liberating more territories,you will see in the end of the offensive.The funny part is that you a Russian supporter is talking about Ukrainian morale when in fact even high generals from Russia are turning against Putin and telling him the sore reality of a lot of lost lives in the battlefront,the lack of moral and everything going wrong there,of course such generals are directly dismissed from their duty for speaking the truth as the truth in Russia is only the propaganda from the Kremlin and every other idea gets immediately shut down.The fact that Russia resorted to the last resort to get out of the grain deal to play hunger games shows how desperate they are in their total isolation so far.

Ahaha, your "calculated deal" to join NATO was made by your ex-prime minister's rabid cunt, contrary to public opinion, which at that time was against it. That's all there is to know in Finnish democracy. When choosing the lesser evil, remember that you have chosen evil anyway.


upd: Meanwhile, nothing special is happening on the fronts, and this seems to play into the hands of Russia - the lack of significant successes among the soldiers of Ukraine is losing morale, and irritation is growing in the West. More and more often in the United States, there are rumors that Kyiv's bet on F16 fighters will not work, that Ukraine does not really need ATACMS missiles, and nothing has been heard about Abrams tanks lately either. It seems that the US resolve to support Ukraine until complete victory is fading along with confidence in the possibility of achieving this victory. Elections are coming soon in a democratic US, and the unfinished gestalt of the Ukrainian conflict is bad baggage on the pre-election finish line.

Data manipulation? You know nothing about Yle or finnish politics. Take a look of any list of least corrupt countries.

Ahaha, your "calculated deal" to join NATO was made by your ex-prime minister's rabid cunt, contrary to public opinion, which at that time was against it. That's all there is to know in Finnish democracy. When choosing the lesser evil, remember that you have chosen evil anyway.
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Data manipulation and fraud most likely unless the Fins are a lot more suicidal and stupid than I would have thought.  The 'polls' always show what the polling entities are getting paid to show in corrupt scientismistic societies.  The problem became much worse as the WEF 'young global leaders' (or 'young global scapegoats' or 'young global degenerates' or all three) matriculated and were installed into their assigned places as cabinet members and heads of state.

Or maybe the polls aren't rigged and the public opinion on joining NATO shifted to a clear majority because Putin invaded Ukraine. 

Data manipulation and fraud most likely unless the Fins are a lot more suicidal and stupid than I would have thought.  The 'polls' always show what the polling entities are getting paid to show in corrupt scientismistic societies.  The problem became much worse as the WEF 'young global leaders' (or 'young global scapegoats' or 'young global degenerates' or all three) matriculated and were installed into their assigned places as cabinet members and heads of state.

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Polling shows support for joining NATO growing in Feburary 2022 and then for some reason there was a pretty big jump to a clear majority  right around the first week of march.


https://yle.fi/a/3-12357832

I wonder why that happened?

Ahaha, your "calculated deal" to join NATO was made by your ex-prime minister's rabid cunt, contrary to public opinion, which at that time was against it. That's all there is to know in Finnish democracy. When choosing the lesser evil, remember that you have chosen evil anyway.

What? That's pretty rich and sad projecting coming from a man living under 24/7 dictatorship and fantasizing about anarchism. It doesn't surprise me that you don't know how democracy or social democracy keep working but i am not going to educate you about that because you can totally use wikipedia for that (if russia haven't blocked it again). I am sure you are been told it doesn't work because if Puting would rather suppress it China way. But i am not sure how that suppressing of opposition would would even differ from any other day under putinist dictatorship. So many people have been falling from russian balconies and windows that you should send those to the battlefield. It's insanely absurd how you in denial you have to be to believe the kremlin propagada anymore.

And yeah we very much made a calculated deal with NATO because we don't want to get invaded by you guys. That was something historical as we always were against joining nato. But now we see that as lesser evil so imagine how much more we disliked actions of Putin. We got bored of your bullying, fifth colonna troll tactics and fly overs.

It seems like every morning I wake up and read more terrible news about this war. Today it’s Ukraine’s ports being bombed. There are videos surfacing of captured Ukrainian troops saying they were threatened with jail if they didn’t fight. I don’t know how much longer we’re expected to pay for this horrible proxy war, but I for one don’t think Ukrainians should be forced to fight in it or face jail.

In other words, you yourself admit that democracy cannot defend itself by democratic means. A little earlier, you said that Russia is now in a state of cold war. Well, where does democracy come from in modern Russia if it is not effective in the face of external threats? What I dislike most about people is hypocrisy and double standards.
You do not have democracy in Finland because you have lost your neutrality and have been drawn into the NATO military bloc. You live in a totalitarian state, simply because now you can't do it any other way. So don't tell me about the benefits of democracy, your vote as an elector decides absolutely nothing.
Open your eyes and have the courage to face reality. Democracy is the shit that the aging hegemon in the face of the United States feeds its vassals from a shovel so that they remain weak and can continue to be plundered without hindrance. Russia has challenged the existing world order and its current totalitarian system is not a whim of Putin, but the only viable option to change the world for the better, to make it more fair and honest. You don't like it, but that doesn't stop the truth from being true.

As a Russian i am sure you know all about censorship, dictatorship and corruption. And looking from your perspective, i can totally understand why wouldn't you see democratic working governments other than a big lie, i mean that's all you had in whole history of your country. So why would others have better, right? On top of that your media gets confirming clips from borderline 5th colonna wannabes like Tucker Carlson and from our country equivalents of extreme right-wing putinists who also happens to believe that world is flat.

That's also why you see extremism as only solution for change. How ever you don't seem to have a clue that if your solution an anarchist only resets the system starting from a scratch again. Resulting to the outcome where men with biggest resources and most guns get to build another system with their band of criminals. And result would probably look something you are living under now.

Real working democratic governments come from adults doing the hard work, building a system that protects itself and all citizens of it, while giving voices to everyone. And sometimes those voices can be annoying, disrupting and even weaponized by other countries. But your system needs to be resilient to that. That's why extremists think that their voices aren't heard. Because even if their party gets elected it can't destroy the whole country even if it would have several terms. System and constitutional laws would prevent that.

Country in full scale war however are often under martial law. That's most effective way to keep your country running as democratic laws can take time to take effect and you need to make life changing fast decisions.

I am sorry if you feel that was too dumbed down but i feel like i needed to.