Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 134.

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Quote from: be.open on June 24, 2023, 02:34:06 PM

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Quote from: Branko on June 24, 2023, 01:58:27 PM

Really? Want to bet that its just show and Prigozhin will back off soon?

I bet that that is just a show but why was that necessary? At some point it damaged Putin's reputation and Prigozhin looks like a pussy too. What was the point Cheesy

According to one version, it was an express teleportation of 25,000 bayonets with armored vehicles from the Southern Front along the four-lane M4 highway beyond Voronezh, and from there to Kharkov. But I think there should be versions and more interesting.

Oh yes.. much more interesting versions. But no nee to bet. Putin pays Wagner so all back to normal. Except that Wagner will be going for the same again and again ...

Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2023, 01:22:17 PM

Quote from: paxmao on June 24, 2023, 07:54:53 AM

They seem also to be on their way to Moscow.

Moscow in 3 days?

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There is some information stupid enough to be truth: Roads blocked by traffic to prevent it!

Quote from: montaga on June 24, 2023, 10:27:12 AM

Quote from: icopress on June 24, 2023, 01:46:33 AM

Quote from: montaga on June 24, 2023, 01:39:31 AM

Prigozhin been posting videos for years now with his whereabouts and somehow he is still alive.

What the yippeeyahoo are those loonies doing there? Having a pick-nick out in the open or is the checked floor magnetic?
If he misbehaves he will feel the wrath of the local babushkas, they will deal with him.

The other day in the local mall i had the chance to be any place i wanted.

That tank gonna get a parking ticket.

Quote from: Branko on June 24, 2023, 08:36:08 AM

Then again, maybe its all show arranged by them 2 to root out and get rid of
those that come out of hiding to support "coup"

Keep dreaming. This is about Wagner not getting funds and being required to be part of the army. It happened in the Roman Republic quite a few times.

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Quote from: Synchronice on June 24, 2023, 02:06:56 PM

I bet that that is just a show but why was that necessary? At some point it damaged Putin's reputation and Prigozhin looks like a pussy too. What was the point Cheesy

To expose and arrest/eliminate those close to Putin that hurried to support "coup"?

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Quote from: Synchronice on June 24, 2023, 02:06:56 PM

Quote from: Branko on June 24, 2023, 01:58:27 PM

Really? Want to bet that its just show and Prigozhin will back off soon?

I bet that that is just a show but why was that necessary? At some point it damaged Putin's reputation and Prigozhin looks like a pussy too. What was the point Cheesy

According to one version, it was an express teleportation of 25,000 bayonets with armored vehicles from the Southern Front along the four-lane M4 highway beyond Voronezh, and from there to Kharkov. But I think there should be versions and more interesting.

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Quote from: Branko on June 24, 2023, 01:58:27 PM

Really? Want to bet that its just show and Prigozhin will back off soon?

Too late, Putin already caved in, in his usual chickenshit manner with help from the potato fuhrer.

Quote from: https://president.gov.by/en/events/soobshchenie-press-sluzhby-prezidenta-respubliki-belarus-1687631215

Yevgeny Prigozhin accepted Aleksandr Lukashenko’s proposal on stopping the advance of Wagner’s armed units in Russia’s territory and on further steps meant to deescalate tensions.

At present an absolutely advantageous and acceptable variant to defuse the situation is available, including safety guarantees for fighters of the private military company Wagner.

Still remains to be seen if Prigozhin gets Shoigu's head in exchange.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 24, 2023, 11:20:14 AM

Saw good joke about Russian army:
2021 - 2nd army in the world
2022 - 2nd army in Ukraine
2023 2nd army in Russia.

No, Russian army is actually 3rd army in Russia, the first one is Wagner, the 2nd one is Kadyrovites and Russian Army is the 3rd one.

Quote from: Branko on June 24, 2023, 01:58:27 PM

Really? Want to bet that its just show and Prigozhin will back off soon?

I bet that that is just a show but why was that necessary? At some point it damaged Putin's reputation and Prigozhin looks like a pussy too. What was the point Cheesy

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 24, 2023, 11:20:14 AM

Wagner already went through Lipetsk oblast, Tula oblast and some sources says that they already reached Moscow oblast, though, no comfirmation about it yet. What it looks strange that they are moving without any resistance. Where is glorious Russian army, why we don't see them? So far we mainly saw Rosgvardia who only can fight against peaceful protests, police and some KAMAZ trucks and tractors blocking roads.
Everything looks so strange that I can't believe that's really happening. One thought can't leave my mind that whole this thing can be staged, but why they would need it, I have no idea.
Saw good joke about Russian army:
2021 - 2nd army in the world
2022 - 2nd army in Ukraine
2023 2nd army in Russia.

Really? Want to bet that its just show and Prigozhin will back off soon?

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Quote from: paxmao on June 24, 2023, 07:54:53 AM

They seem also to be on their way to Moscow.

Moscow in 3 days?

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 24, 2023, 11:20:14 AM

Wagner already went through Lipetsk oblast, Tula oblast and some sources says that they already reached Moscow oblast, though, no comfirmation about it yet. What it looks strange that they are moving without any resistance. Where is glorious Russian army, why we don't see them? So far we mainly saw Rosgvardia who only can fight against peaceful protests, police and some KAMAZ trucks and tractors blocking roads.
Everything looks so strange that I can't believe that's really happening. One thought can't leave my mind that whole this thing can be staged, but why they would need it, I have no idea.
Saw good joke about Russian army:
2021 - 2nd army in the world
2022 - 2nd army in Ukraine
2023 2nd army in Russia.

Are you claiming Chechnya attacking Russia now and they are on the verge of taking Moscow?
Wagner is made up of private mercenary's from around the world and a lot of them are Chechen.
Can you please slow down, i need to breath

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Wagner already went through Lipetsk oblast, Tula oblast and some sources says that they already reached Moscow oblast, though, no comfirmation about it yet. What it looks strange that they are moving without any resistance. Where is glorious Russian army, why we don't see them? So far we mainly saw Rosgvardia who only can fight against peaceful protests, police and some KAMAZ trucks and tractors blocking roads.
Everything looks so strange that I can't believe that's really happening. One thought can't leave my mind that whole this thing can be staged, but why they would need it, I have no idea.
Saw good joke about Russian army:
2021 - 2nd army in the world
2022 - 2nd army in Ukraine
2023 2nd army in Russia.

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Quote from: icopress on June 24, 2023, 01:46:33 AM

Quote from: montaga on June 24, 2023, 01:39:31 AM

Prigozhin been posting videos for years now with his whereabouts and somehow he is still alive.

What the yippeeyahoo are those loonies doing there? Having a pick-nick out in the open or is the checked floor magnetic?
If he misbehaves he will feel the wrath of the local babushkas, they will deal with him.

The other day in the local mall i had the chance to be any place i wanted.

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Quote from: tvbcof on June 24, 2023, 09:21:41 AM

Anyone who falls for the baloney really is a world class chump.

Your entire online persona revolves around convincing yourself you haven't fallen head over heels for a different flavor of baloney.

Is that so? Actually I very often question what the Russian deep-state and what the general 'Govern - Ment_ality' are up to and warn that there are a lot of things which stink. The Soviets were way ahead in terms of psy-ops for most of the cold war and used them mercielessly against their own. It is the basis for Communism in fact...more-so than even the West's present form of 'Democracy'.

Even though I mentioned it a few days ago, I'll do it again for your benefit: What are the chances that Russia rid itself of the Soviet-era psychological engineers since Putin's time even pretending that there was a broad political desire to do so? I would say zero. Putin himself was built up via cult-of-personality methods of the same basic type as Trump, Fauci, etc.

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Quote from: nutildah on June 24, 2023, 08:59:28 AM

Quote from: Branko on June 24, 2023, 08:36:08 AM

Then again, maybe its all show arranged by them 2 to root out and get rid of
those that come out of hiding to support "coup"

Looks like the Russians saw how easily the Ziocons gas-lit most of the world's 'stand-with-Ukraine' retard brigades and thought they would have a little fun themselves. Anyone who falls for the baloney really is a world class chump.

Quick, NATO, Now's your chance!!! Go! Go! Go!

...or at least don't let up the extreme pressure (lol) that the 'Greatest Counter-offensive' is apply to them Rooskies...

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Quote from: Branko on June 24, 2023, 08:36:08 AM

Then again, maybe its all show arranged by them 2 to root out and get rid of
those that come out of hiding to support "coup"

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Then again, maybe its all show arranged by them 2 to root out and get rid of
those that come out of hiding to support "coup"

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2023, 07:27:56 AM

The bald rebel is claiming that he took Voronezh, and shot down a few helicopters and a transport plane. Russia air force apparently bombed the wagnerists on M4. I haven't had time to geolocate that shit on my own so I'm not gonna post the links but there is quite a lot of fortification going on around Moscow so shit's getting real. There are also reports of them moving to Krasnodar (opposite direction from Rostov than Moscow, towards Crimea).

They seem also to be on their way to Moscow. Putin has given an address to the nation and it could be that part of the military are quite ok with getting rid of the current government. I wonder if it could come the day that we see Putin in the Hague like Milosevic, awaiting the day to have a rope around the neck.

Anyway, it seems that despite this little disputes between the local dictators, the war goes on. Prygo is not really into anything better than Putin on that regard -for now.

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The bald rebel is claiming that he took Voronezh, and shot down a few helicopters and a transport plane. Russia air force apparently bombed the wagnerists on M4. I haven't had time to geolocate that shit on my own so I'm not gonna post the links but there is quite a lot of fortification going on around Moscow so shit's getting real. There are also reports of them moving to Krasnodar (opposite direction from Rostov than Moscow, towards Crimea).

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I hope Prigozhin and other hardliners win and get control of nukes

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Quote from: icopress on June 24, 2023, 05:09:07 AM

Quote from: Zlantann on June 24, 2023, 04:41:50 AM

[...] I became scared to comment because if you support Ukraine in a post, you become an enemy of members from Russia

For some reason, I always thought that you need to think about conscience and not about what others think of you.

That's true @copress, I acted like a coward betraying my conscience. I was scared of attacks but I know better now. The truth must be told at all times regardless of the consequences. Everybody I know wants this war to end and that's my greatest desire. Russia and Ukraine are big players in the political and economic settings of the world.

Quote from: royalfestus on June 24, 2023, 05:22:23 AM

The portrayal of the Russian soldier as the instigator of the civil war is not reflected accurately in public news. Wagner, on the other hand, is leveling accusations of government corruption and other issues stemming from the war. Additionally, I speculate that the civil war may have external sponsorship, as some believe that exploiting the internal crisis would serve as a significant distraction.

If this civil war has foreign sponsors then Russia didn't put their house in order. Allowing foreign nations to influence Prigozhin is a failure of the Kremlin to put their house in order. The head of Wagner has been complaining of the misbehavior of Putin's military chief and the president failed to arrest the situation. Prigozhin made it clear that Putin was been lied to about the outcomes of the battles. He doesn't know much about the battlefield it is his military chiefs that give him reports. And they are lying to him. The reason for this civil war personality or power class between Prigozhin and Putin's military chiefs.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 23, 2023, 05:27:57 PM

Interesting things happening in Russia today. Seems that conflict between Prigozhin and Ministry of Defense reached new level. Prigozhin accused Russian army for carying out strike against Wagner camp and result of it - ''huge number of cusalties. FSB already started criminal case against Prigozhin. Here is short summary of all his statements today:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/23/wagner-s-march-of-justice
General Surovikin made video statement with riffle in his hands, asking Prigozhin and Wagner to stop what they're doing
https://t.me/rusbrief/129028
Meanwhile armored vehicles were noticed in Rostov and Moscow. And seems that they started blocking roads in Rostov:
https://t.me/news161ru/33631
I have no idea how everything will end, maybe this story will have boring outcome, but my popcorn is ready.

The portrayal of the Russian soldier as the instigator of the civil war is not reflected accurately in public news. Wagner, on the other hand, is leveling accusations of government corruption and other issues stemming from the war. Additionally, I speculate that the civil war may have external sponsorship, as some believe that exploiting the internal crisis would serve as a significant distraction.

That is some really deep crisis if this is sponsored from the outside as it means the world had enough and his Ottoman empire style of leading rather than a Western Government where he,Putin boasts himself as a great leader of a great liberal nation.

Ukraine should be very careful as this may as well be orchestrated (highly unlikely as this has been going on for months) and as such they should not be at all distracted from their counteroffensive objectives to liberate as much land as they can and this is a great moment to come forward.

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