Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 133. (Read 73667 times)

He just regurgitates what he 'reads' on BitChute videos thrown together by conspiracy clickbaitists, to him that is academic journalism. I doubt he even understands what he is saying half the time.

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70t military grade enriched material accumulated by Ukraine & sponsors at Zaporozhye Nuclear plant

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1. Destroyed about 20 military pilots, 1 plane 4 helicopters
2. Power fled from Moscow
3. There was no resistance. It is confirmed that one part of it went to the side of the PMC.
4. PMC in Rostov and Voronezh greeted as liberators.
5. Seizure of the headquarters of the Southern Military District is officially confirmed.
6. Yesterday, the president called them traitors, traitors, state criminals, and today - they are all acquitted, no cases, no investigations!


What "moles? This is a very pathetic and ridiculous attempt to make up a "serious story"

1. Destroyed about 20 military pilots, 1 plane 4 helicopters
2. Power fled from Moscow
3. There was no resistance. It is confirmed that one part of it went to the side of the PMC.
4. PMC in Rostov and Voronezh greeted as liberators.
5. Seizure of the headquarters of the Southern Military District is officially confirmed.
6. Yesterday, the president called them traitors, traitors, state criminals, and today - they are all acquitted, no cases, no investigations!


What "moles? This is a very pathetic and ridiculous attempt to make up a "serious story"

I'm just expressing my opinion. There was no loss of control over the headquarters in Rostov, these are your empty fantasies, which are not confirmed by any significant changes in the front line during the "mutiny". I think that this was a psychological operation to identify a high-ranking mole in the Russian General Staff, which was successfully carried out by the Wagner group. This will not lead to a weakening of the Russian army, but rather the opposite. But let's not make hasty conclusions, but wait for official announcements about personnel changes. I think not only the identified mole will fall under the personnel purge, but also a number of "parquet" generals who are quite loyal to Putin, for their incompetence.

Their business is literally analyzing armed conflicts around the world.  It's why they are called The Institute for the Study of War.


Are you really trying to make the argument that Putin had Prigozhin pretend to stage an attempted insurrection that resulted in Russia losing control of it's military headquarters closest to the front line, have images of Russian helicopters exploding and highways being dug up to slow down the tanks rolling towards Moscow, was all part of Putins plan?  Have you considered what he promised in his speech Saturday morning, compared to what actually happened, and the fact he hasn't been seen since?

You think this is the kind of scenario that Putin would manufacture?  

Military experts from the Institute for the Study of War are vainly minding not their own business

Prigozhin never even verbally criticized Putin, in Russia it is somehow not customary to bite the hand that feeds you. The mercenaries of the Wagner group either have a pro-Putin position, or are completely apolitical, more loyal to Putin than Wagner, only bodyguards from his personal guard. This is the only reason why Wagner could exist at all for so long, being outside the legal field (mercenarism in Russia is a criminal offense, Article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).

ps By Wagner, I mean the main core of the Wagner group, not including the former prisoners who temporarily joined it, recruited on six-month contracts specifically for the assault on Bakhmut.

Revolt Raises Searing Question: Could Putin Lose Power?
Russians with ties to the Kremlin expressed relief on Sunday that Mr. Prigozhin’s uprising did not spark a civil war. But at the same time, they agreed that Mr. Putin had come off looking weak in a way that could be lasting.

Konstantin Remchukov, a Moscow newspaper editor with Kremlin connections, said in a telephone interview that what once had seemed unthinkable was now possible: that people close to Mr. Putin could seek to persuade him not to stand for re-election in Russia’s presidential vote next spring. With Saturday’s events, he said, Mr. Putin had conclusively lost his status as the guarantor of the elite’s wealth and security.

The idea that “Putin is in power and provides stability and guarantees security — it suffered a fiasco on the 24th,” Mr. Remchukov said. “If I was sure a month ago that Putin would run unconditionally because it was his right, now I see that the elites can no longer feel unconditionally secure.”

“Stability” was the Kremlin’s refrain amid the 2020 referendum that cleared the way for Mr. Putin to serve two additional terms, until 2036. And it is the security of the Russian state that Mr. Putin describes as his guiding motivation for invading Ukraine.

Even amid the 16-month-old war in Ukraine, the Kremlin has been focused on normalcy at home. Mr. Putin has resisted hard-line calls to declare martial law or to close the country’s borders. For the elite, the sting of Western sanctions has been compensated by the new business opportunities of Russia’s wartime economy and a domestic market suddenly free of competition from many Western businesses.

But Mr. Prigozhin’s challenge to the Kremlin’s authority this weekend upended that calculus. The leader of the Wagner paramilitary group, Mr. Prigozhin had his forces seize a Russian military headquarters in the south, then sent a column of troops north toward Moscow, vowing to enter the capital. The crisis was defused late Saturday, when Mr. Prigozhin agreed to pull back his forces in a deal that allowed him and his troops to avoid prosecution.

The immediate threat was averted. But in the process, Mr. Putin lost more than his reputation for providing stability: The fact that Mr. Prigozhin and his forces were not being punished punctured Mr. Putin’s reputation as a decisive leader who would not tolerate disloyalty.

That impression was compounded by reports from Russian military bloggers that Prigozhin forces had shot down Russian combat aircraft. Mr. Putin also called Mr. Prigozhin a traitor after he launched his insurrection — and after the mercenary chieftain questioned Mr. Putin’s very rationale for the war in Ukraine. Those transgressions seemed to melt away with the deal that ended the crisis.

Experts said this made Mr. Putin look less in control of the Russian state than previously known. And foreign adversaries were quick to seize on that theme.

There are other, less expensive ways to find moles.
This makes more sense:


RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, JUNE 24, 2023

I hope you appreciated the quality and scale of this performance. It turns out that in Russia they are also able to carry out complex and multi-pass psychological operations, and not on the Internet, but in the scenery of the real world. It remains to understand the purpose of this whole circus, during which more Russian planes and helicopters were shot down than Ukraine shot down from the start of the counteroffensive (it was easy, because Ukraine shot down nothing from the start of the counteroffensive).

I think that the main purpose of this performance was to identify a high-ranking mole in the Russian General Staff.

Suggestions that Prigozhin’s rebellion, the Kremlin’s response, and Lukashenko’s mediation were all staged by the Kremlin are absurd. The imagery of Putin appearing on national television to call for the end of an armed rebellion and warning of a repeat of the 1917 revolution – and then requiring mediation from a foreign leader to resolve the rebellion – will have a lasting impact. The rebellion exposed the weakness of the Russian security forces and demonstrated Putin’s inability to use his forces in a timely manner to repel an internal threat and further eroded his monopoly on force. Prigozhin’s rapid drive towards Moscow ridiculed much of the Russian regular forces – and highlighted to any and all security figures, state-owned enterprises, and other key figures in the Russian government that private military forces separate from the central state can achieve impressive results. Wagner’s drive also showcased the degradation of Russia’s military reserves, which are almost entirely committed to fighting in Ukraine, as well as the dangers of reliance on inexperienced conscripts to defend Russia’s borders. The Kremlin struggled to respond quickly in the information space and residents in Rostov-on-Don residents did not oppose Wagner and in some cases greeted them warmly – not inherently demonstrating opposition to Putin but at minimum acceptance of Prigozhin’s actions.[48] Finally, the Kremlin’s apparent surprise at Prigozhin’s move does not reflect well on Russia’s domestic intelligence service, the FSB. Prigozhin consistently escalated his rhetoric against the Russian MoD prior to his armed rebellion and Putin failed to mitigate this risk.[49] We cannot and will not speculate on the concrete impacts of Prigozhin’s rebellion and the Kremlin’s weak response and are not forecasting an imminent collapse of the Russian government, as some have done. Nonetheless, Prigozhin’s rebellion and the resolution of the events of June 23 and 24 - though not necessarily the Prigozhin/Kremlin struggle writ large - will likely substantially damage Putin’s government and the Russian war effort in Ukraine.

Z-telegram rumor mill says that Putin's former bodyguard and current Tula governor Aleksey Dyumin will replace Shoigu (Prigozhin's enemy #1) as the new minister of defence. Also Gerasimov (Prigozhin's enemy #2) is allegedly on his way out, to be replaced by general "difficult decision" Surovikin (the one who gave up Kherson).

If that happens, it'd be a massive win for Prigozhin.

I watched Putin’s speech this morning and am surprised with the Wagner mutiny situation. I did not see that coming. I wonder if anyone did. It seems like this war has gone far better than expected for Ukraine. More recently though it appears that this situation may end peacefully for Russia with Wagner reportedly no longer moving towards Moscow, which may swing the war back in their favor.

So, seems that circus is over, Prigozhin ordered Wagner convoy to turn back and return to their camps. Lukashenko says that Prigozhin accepted his proposal after some negotiations, criminal case against Prigozhin also was dropped.
So, does it means that Putin reached agreement with terrorists and things will go on like nothing didn't happned. I just remind that during this rebellion Russian army lost six helicopters, transport plane and somehwere 10-15 troops.
Probably this photo summarizes things that happened in last 24 hours best:

BTW seems that this my post didn't aged badly and now it really looks like staged shit:

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What!? Are you not confusing something. Where did you got that there is lot Chechens in Wagner group. BTW, while Wagner almost reached Moscow, chechen Kadyrovites who was ready to fight with Wagner still didn't reached Rostov.

I have no idea how everything will end, maybe this story will have boring outcome, but my popcorn is ready.

Are you claiming Chechnya attacking Russia now and they are on the verge of taking Moscow?
Wagner is made up of private mercenary's from around the world and a lot of them are Chechen.
Can you please slow down, i need to breath