Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 139. (Read 73994 times)

I'll tell you how Russians will react to this:
First link is US, so it's a lie because US is clearly anti-Russian, so it's fake news.
The second link is from another NATO country so obviously they will blame Russia because they're on Ukraine's side.
In the third link they're saying destroying a dam was a mistake, but maybe they mean a Ukrainian mistake
Still no evidence against Russia.

If.

I love your cherry picking when you quote only these articles that fits your narrative. Why not initial US intelligence stance that Russia is responsible for it
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2023/06/07/US-intelligence-indicates-Russia-being-responsible-for-Ukraine-dam-attack-Report
Or Rishi Sunak saying that was Russia's new low:
https://www.politico.eu/article/rishi-sunak-blasts-russias-new-low-ukraine-dam-explosion/
Finally, this messages from 205th separate motorized rifle brigade means nothing and it's not evidence against Russia:
https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1033

Maybe you will provide this evidence, if it really exists? I could only find an article in the New York Times subtitled "U.S. spy agencies still do not have any solid evidence to determine who caused the destruction, the senior administration official said". There is also a report in a Norwegian source stating that an explosion with a magnitude between 1 and 2 was recorded, and updating from below that "Based on new analysis, we have also observed weak signals from an earlier seismic event from approximately 02:35 (local time in Ukraine) originating from the direction of the Kakhovka Dam". That is, there were not one but several explosions? In any case, none of the sources indicate that Russia did it.

ps Video of collecting trophies in the Zaporozhye direction. In the frame, the American Bradley A2 with a running engine and the German Leopard 2A6 also seem to be in quite good condition. I think this technique will be towed to the rear for a detailed study.

200 fighter jets would not change anything? Since the beginning of the war Russia has lost over 300 planes. Obviously if Ukraine were to get 200 it would have complete air superiority, provided they'd have enough pilots to fly them.

ps Video of collecting trophies in the Zaporozhye direction. In the frame, the American Bradley A2 with a running engine and the German Leopard 2A6 also seem to be in quite good condition. I think this technique will be towed to the rear for a detailed study.

even the supply of a hundred or two F16 fighters, which Ukraine so dreams of, will not noticeably change the current balance of power and it is not in favor of Ukraine.

If some nato nations put their own soldiers into Ukraine independently,how do you think Russia would respond?I doubt this would happen but politicans in some countries can be unpredictable but I would like to know the opinion of a Russian person.

Also in your opinion do you think this war could escalate into a nuclear confrontation and what might be the cause of such an escalation?

Riiiiiight. So how come Putin's glorious armed forces using the best-in-the-world soviet military equipment couldn't defeat Ukrainian forces that had very little Western equipment at the beginning, and still can't defeat Ukrainians with more Western equipment (albeit inferior if we were to believe your story). Something not adding up.

Riiiiiight. So how come Putin's glorious armed forces using the best-in-the-world soviet military equipment couldn't defeat Ukrainian forces that had very little Western equipment at the beginning, and still can't defeat Ukrainians with more Western equipment (albeit inferior if we were to believe your story). Something not adding up.

Bradley may be replaced, and probably even quickly, but the Leopards .. they will also be replaced, but instead of 2A6 it will be the ancient 1A5, after they are restored to a sane state. So, Ukraine should not rely too much on Western tanks, especially since Kiev has already become disillusioned with them, they say the old Soviet ones are better, easier to operate and live longer on the battlefield.

Bradley may be replaced, and probably even quickly, but the Leopards .. they will also be replaced, but instead of 2A6 it will be the ancient 1A5, after they are restored to a sane state. So, Ukraine should not rely too much on Western tanks, especially since Kiev has already become disillusioned with them, they say the old Soviet ones are better, easier to operate and live longer on the battlefield. But the main problem of Ukraine now imo is not in this. The Offensive Guard, trained at NATO's European training grounds, has a serious defect in the NATO training format itself. I'm not sure if my English is good enough to accurately articulate this idea, but I'll try. What Western instructors are so proud of, and what is called a "mission command" in Western military science, has played a cruel joke on the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The offensive guard was trained according to the tactics of the work of special forces units, which operate autonomously in small groups. Otherwise, NATO instructors simply do not know how to train soldiers. And as a result, all attempts at a large-scale offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine so far look extremely uncoordinated.

I have already said and I will repeat again - the most critical problem of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not armored vehicles and not the number of personnel, but heavy losses in sergeants and junior officers, which cannot be quickly replenished and compensated neither by mass mobilization, nor by the supply of Western weapons.

Oh, a Bradley destroyed... oh well, I think the US has over 6000 of these, kind of leftovers from here and there. They are very likely to be replaced... over and over.

Maybe you will provide this evidence, if it really exists? I could only find an article in the New York Times subtitled "U.S. spy agencies still do not have any solid evidence to determine who caused the destruction, the senior administration official said". There is also a report in a Norwegian source stating that an explosion with a magnitude between 1 and 2 was recorded, and updating from below that "Based on new analysis, we have also observed weak signals from an earlier seismic event from approximately 02:35 (local time in Ukraine) originating from the direction of the Kakhovka Dam". That is, there were not one but several explosions? In any case, none of the sources indicate that Russia did it.

ps Video of collecting trophies in the Zaporozhye direction. In the frame, the American Bradley A2 with a running engine and the German Leopard 2A6 also seem to be in quite good condition. I think this technique will be towed to the rear for a detailed study.

A himars hit that occurred more than 6 months ago is not a direct evidence against Ukraine. You don't seem to know what a direct evidence is, so I'll help you with that.
When someone gets murdered and that person was attacked some time before, this is not direct evidence against that former attacker. The fact that he tried to do it a year before doesn't mean he did it again and succeeded. A direct evidence would be if you had a murder weapon with his fingerprints or you'd found victims blood on his clothes.

That hit in 2022, or any other existing plans for it did not blow up the dam. Planted explosive devices did. Ukraine doesn't have a single missile capable of such destruction. It would require multiple hits to level the dam and there's evidence for a single explosion.


It used to be direct evidence and now it's more than zero. Your confidence seems to be decreasing with time.
Again, a test hit 6 months ago is not an evidence against Ukraine.

A himars hit that occurred more than 6 months ago is not a direct evidence against Ukraine. You don't seem to know what a direct evidence is, so I'll help you with that.
When someone gets murdered and that person was attacked some time before, this is not direct evidence against that former attacker. The fact that he tried to do it a year before doesn't mean he did it again and succeeded. A direct evidence would be if you had a murder weapon with his fingerprints or you'd found victims blood on his clothes.

That hit in 2022, or any other existing plans for it did not blow up the dam. Planted explosive devices did. Ukraine doesn't have a single missile capable of such destruction. It would require multiple hits to level the dam and there's evidence for a single explosion.


It used to be direct evidence and now it's more than zero. Your confidence seems to be decreasing with time.
Again, a test hit 6 months ago is not an evidence against Ukraine.

This is direct evidence against Ukraine. Maybe you, in contrast, have direct evidence against Russia, in addition to unfounded accusations? No, you don't have them, and no one has them, otherwise they would have been circulated by all Western media. There is no evidence that Russia did it and there is no motive for Russia to do it. The best argument against Russia is that if there had been no invasion at all, then the dam would have been intact. This is a ridiculous argument.

Even one test hit and a frank admission of it is much more than zero.

If you carefully read my previous posts on this subject, you will find that I am not blaming Ukraine for the destruction of the dam at the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station, I am just saying that there is more evidence against Ukraine than against Russia. Even one test hit and a frank admission of it is much more than zero.

At your request, I brought you a dozen links from Russian-language resources and one from an English-language resource. Give me as a counterargument at least some evidence that Russia did this and we will be able to continue this dialogue in a constructive and meaningful way. If you plan to continue the empty accusation tactics, then the cheap propaganda shit is in your head.

When you posted so many links, I already expected that it will be something serious. But again, I got disappointed. From all links, there is maybe 2 photos or videos which MIGHT show arrival to the dam. Rest is cheap propaganda shit, which proves nothing. If Ukraine really systematically bombed dam, there would be much more noise
I see that you catched this interview from WP and using it as strong evidence. Even if it's true what was told it, it contradicts to your acussations. You're talking about systematical attacks on dam, but in article they're talking about one test hit.

I have collected for you links from Russian-language resources in chronological order with Russia's statements about the shelling of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

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But as far as I understand, the only evidence that has weight for you is the confession of Major General Andrey Kovalchuk, who at that time commanded the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson region, made by him in an interview with the Washington Post.

The nature of the destruction of the dam directly hints that it was an accident. Something in the style of Ukraine long and systematically bombarded the dam, so material fatigue accumulated and partial destruction occurred due to increased water pressure, when upstream Ukraine opened the floodgates to raise the water level in the Kakhovka reservoir. An accident with evidence pointing to the fault of Ukraine.

But I don’t really believe in accidents that happen right at the last moment before the counter-offensive of Ukraine and confuse her with all the plans to capture Energodar and the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, as well as to build crossings across the Dnieper, for which the Armed Forces of Ukraine were also actively preparing, judging by the supply of pontoon equipment from the West.

Meanwhile, minesweepers were found about the absence of which, during a recent attempt to break through in the Orekhovskoye direction, I was surprised by several messages above. Judging by these frames, the Armed Forces of Ukraine simultaneously lost all three Leopard 2R HMBV heavy BMRs delivered from Finland, as well as the only Bergepanzer 3 Buffel ARV delivered from Canada. Video

In total, according to my information, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had six such demining machines, and four of them were lost in one attack. This proves the seriousness of the breakout attempt on June 8th. The current statements about the capture of several villages in the Vremievsky ledge are just informational noise to fill the vacuum that has arisen due to the strange voluntary silence of Ukraine about its counteroffensive. Minefields have become a serious problem for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and it is not clear how to solve it. Here we see the work of the newest system "Agriculture". That is, even partially made gaps in the minefield are filled back up and everything needs to be done again.