Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 141. (Read 73667 times)

I read somewhere that Russians had to attack the Ukraine to stop the war inside their country.

Apart from the Hebrew-phobia, I thank you for being so clear about it. There is, as you say, a strong interest in attacking Poland ... by Putin and that is why the Polish would rather help Ukraine than getting close to such a bullying neighbour.

However I think that Polish are correctly informed, if Putin wins the war, then is their turn, and so is the rest of central Europe. As said many times, countries have interests and there is no doubt about the common interest this time:

- best option: the RF fails to achieve any significant landgrab, including failing to secure a "landbridge" to Crimea. The RF army suffers loses to the point that they cannot be a problem for the neighbours for the next 25 years. Ukraine gets the means to defend their borders and enters into a commercial agreement with Europe and possibly the US of whatever kind.

- Second best: the RF fails to landgrab anything, although it remains a problem.

I had occasion to chat face-2-face with a Polak a couple of weeks ago.  Decent guy (donated one of his apartments to Ukrainian refugees), and not a stupid person, but well conditioned by the controllers of that society to hate Russians and be woefully uninformed about a lot of things.  Pretty much what I would expect of all but the most atypical of Polaks of his age group (mid-30's.)

When we were talking about sports hooliganism, he had no clue about the Azov battalion started out as basically Ukrainian sports hooligans funded into a nationalist formation by the same rich Ukrainian/Jewish oligarch who funded Zelensiky's career and Hunter Biden's various activities in the country.  I thought he ought to know that hooligans are used for such purpose (usually Jewish) rich people as tools, and it tends to work out poorly for most of them at the foot-soldier level.

Another thing the guy had never even heard of was Freemasonry.  It is 'a thing' where I live and I wanted to inform him of that, but again, he had never even heard of it.  The Catholic church in Poland and the Freemasons have had a rocky history (to the credit of the older renditions of the Catholic church there.)  Looks like whoever is in charge of the 'govern-mentality' in that society chose to just sweep the whole thing under the carpet and keep the populace pretty ignorant about it...and I'm sure a ton of other similar things often related to 'the Jews'.

Anyway, it's pretty clear that there is a strong desire to make the Poles into the next Ukrainians when the Ukraine meat supply is finally exhausted.  And I'm pretty sure that (((they))) will be able to pull it off given the mental conditioning of the goyim in that area and the vice-like lock on the 'Collective West' political apparatus.  If the Russians mysteriously leave the Odessa area alone and support it's governance under the 'rightful owners', the 'pale of settlement' could again stretch from Baltic to the Black sea.

Benedict Joe Biden of the Democratic plantation party will soon claim Trump blew the damn dam up.

Are you mentally retarded?

Ukraine lost a lot when this dam was blown up. Russian military gained a natural buffer zone, and can now relocate some of their forces to the other fronts.

The upstream nuclear power station will only be able to operate one reactor until this dam is rebuilt. That is a huge economic loss to Ukraine.
Never mind the ecological nightmare.

To think that Ukraine was behind this is simply insane.

This is textbook Soviet/Russian policy of scorched Earth.

I am afraid Russians will blow up the nuclear power station next.
Once the Ukrainian army gets closer to Melitopol, Russians will panic.

What in the world is really going on? Was Ukraine ever a nice country to live in? Of course, Washington isn't any better in the US. In addition to the below... https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-wall-water-surges-through-ukraine-after-major-dam-blown.

Tucker - https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1666203439146172419.


Kiev's Long-Term "Last Resort" Plan To Blow-Up The Kakhova Dam Exposed

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kievs-long-term-last-resort-plan-blow-kakhova-dam-exposed
As we detailed earlier, both sides accuse each other of the attack that puts tens of thousands of homes at risk and might even threaten the safety of Europe's largest nuclear power plant.

However, as Raul Ilargi Meijer writes, twice last year (here and here), Ukrainian officials discussed Kiev's plans to blow up the dam.

Andrew Korybko lays out the real narrative here:

The partial destruction of the Kakhovka Dam on early Tuesday morning saw Kiev and Moscow exchange accusations about who's to blame, but a report from the Washington Post (WaPo) in late December extends credence to the Kremlin's version of events.

Titled "Inside the Ukrainian counteroffensive that shocked Putin and reshaped the war", its journalists quoted former commander of November's Kherson Counteroffensive Major General Andrey Kovalchuk who shockingly admitted to planning this war crime:

"Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper's water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages. The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but the step remained a last resort. He held off."
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Footage of the strike on the Nova Kahrkovska dam last year when the Ukrainians tested the resistance of the flooding gates with American Himars missiles as stated by the article of the Washington Post.

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Sure you can.  What you clearly don't understand is that dams have gates that are raised and lowered as needed.  They are typically weldments of steel similar to a boat hull.

NATO tested out their abilities to breach these discharge gates via missile attack around the time Russia was relocating to the East side of the river for the winter.  Worked fine.  Most 'medicated' Westerners cannot remember something which happened that long ago and are to stupid to know how to research things.

I get such a kick out of the bleeting Western media droning on and on about the 'catastrophy' like it was the end of the world, and 'the poor huddled and shivering animals' and blah, blah, blah.  It's a fuckin flood just like happens thousands of times per year where I live (and pretty much every place I've ever lived.)  Waist-high water for a few days for cryin-out-loud.  Get over it.

Everyone who has more than a few brain cells to rub together knew this thing was coming.  I've mentioned it probably half a dozen times starting a ways before the Russians withdrew across the river.  It was obvious because the Ukroids said that they were waiting to get more desperate (again, having already tested things out.)

What might have happened here is that Russia drew down the water levels in a somewhat controlled manner since, as anyone with some engineering skilz can see, the dam was not blown down to the native surface level (and it does seem to have been attacked in an area which Russia controlled from what I can see.)  One reason to do this would be if the Ukroids had tunneled it such that a blast would indeed take the level down to zero in one shot.  That would indeed have been a more challenging 'disaster'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_F-117A_shootdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbk1AYe7vCU

The fall of El Condor
I'm piloting 117 Stealth,
invisible, pride of NATO
and dropping bombs,
on Serbian homes.
 
But one night I'm spotted in the sky
using a radar, or something else?
oh my, oh my.
 
All I know is some screwed me tight
said their anti-aerial is off tonight.
and then something blasted under me
destroyed my clutch,
invisible,
and out of touch.
 
"heavens, heavens" is all my brain could yield
while falling down, onto a field,
filled with farm folk, pitch-forks revealed(!)
 
Boy, this farmers gonna kick my ass
when they get me, in this filed of grass,
all because of worldly chief of drill,
that Clinton Bill...
 
But I was saved all thanks to our dear God
and thirty two chopper squad.
Well the Serbs are now looking trough,
my bomber plane (what can we do)
fallen, fully broken
and dead for sure.
 
Boy, if only I have somehow knew
that I'm on their anti-aerial's view
no in hell's way that I would do that
fighting for some Kosovo,
as I'm not sure
even where it's at.
 
(No I don't know where that is at for real)
Looked at some maps, know it's far from here
so the one that've send me, should go and see...
place where I don't want to be,
I'd rather go back, to my Tennessee.

Thanks. Good to see you still holding the fort of sanity against the badeckers.


Or Ukrainians could just stay away from the river and not attempt to cross it, and there hasn't been much indication of them planning to do that (the crossing) aside from some insane ramblings in Z-channels.

Honestly at this point it almost seems that Occam's razor would point to the aged damaged Soviet-era dam simply failing but obviously both sides are eager to blame each other because that's just how it goes. But if it was an explosion then it's 99% Russians because physics. You can't himars a fucking dam LOL.

Hi Suchmoon, great to see you around after so long on this thread.

For avoidance of doubt, I am being sarcastic obviously. RF chants "victories" that 1 year and call an offensive failed if it does not recapture Mariupol in 4 days.

The Belgorod attacks (by Russian patriots) serve several purposes as I mentioned on early posts and have been successful in spreading the front, creating a need to reploy troops, cause political chaos and a number of other things that anyone with some neurons left would do if I were planning an operation (war 101).

I was thinking...

When the emperor of China asked the palace accounts to be audited, that night mysteriously all records burned...

When Ukraine was likely to develop an offensive in the southwest and test the RF defences, mysteriously a dam is blown and the defences are "damaged"...  

In the spirit of being as neutral as possible with facts, the dam was like a Dam-ocles sword pending over any Ukrainian operation, as it could be emptied on any crossing troops, even without destroying the dam, just by fully opening the gates. So the following narrative is not impossible:

"Ukraine has tested the defences in Zapo, they have assessed them, now it is time to test in Kherson, but one of those US military assessors in the Teams call who has probably read about the Second World war says - "hey dudes, yo' pay atention to this that happened a few decades back and annihilated quite a few people by blasting dams." - and then some other dude says "oh, sorry, comming-off mute,... yeah and we have a Nova Krakova dam damm upstream from our attack! The Ivans could blast it at the worst possible moment! That's f**ed". After 10 seconds of silence, everyone in the call is thinking "I hope it is not me who has to tell Zelensky that the dam has to go". After this uncomfortable silence the Military intelligence guy says "Lieutenant Castillo, you have just volunteered to write a report on the risks this dam is to our operation and how are we going to blast it".

Another possible narrative is Ruskie Psycho number 1 speaking with psycho number 2... "Blast the dam, that should stop them".

As for Poland in particular, I consider it one of the least fortunate countries in this crisis that Europe is experiencing. Poland knows that it will be the second target for Russia after the end of its military campaign in Ukraine, and thus it does not wish to provoke Russia in any way, as evidenced by the fact that almost all of its positions since the outbreak of the war are limited to condemning the Russian military move without issuing a sharp-language speech capable of angering the Kremlin. This also explains its failure to send F16 fighters, despite its promises to its allies to do so.

At the same time, Poland does not want to lose its European position in support of America and NATO, and this is for good reasons: the economic support provided by this alliance, in addition to their safety valve in the event of an invasion by Russia.

Ah, see, if russians vacate Shebekino, Belgorod, and Moscow voluntarily - this won't count as capturing. And if they wash Nova Kashovka into the Black Sea - this won't count either. Putin has outsmarted everyone again.

Yep, a dam is damm difficult to blow up and certainly using a HIMARS is like using a spoon to kill a bull. However. there are tools that can damage it enough from the outside, namely some GBU bombs that US has developed pretty much for that type of situation (like massively protected underground bunkers and the like).

Ukraine does not have any of these though... If I have to bet, this was RF.

TBH I think that the RF army cares zero for the villages. The claims that it destroyed the first line of defence does not seem realistic. I would have to see what the sources say over the next few days on regards to what was used and what effects happened.


I was thinking...

It took one year to capture Bakhmut, what a victory!!

Oh, Ukraine has not captured any city in 3 days. the offensive has failed!!!

Do you feel me bruh?

I don't know what they planned, but seems that things didn't went as planned. Some of RF controlled cites and villages like Nova Kahovka or Oleshky become almost completely flooded. Also, floodfing broke first defense line of Russia. And this information was posted by Russian sources.
Also, Russians telling that dam was destroyed by Himars. But you must be really dumb to believe that's possible to destroy such dam and make so much damage with Himars. You only can do it from inside.

Just to avoid confusion,  no F-35 have been committed to Ukraine and it is very unlikely that they will ever be. Too tempting for Ukraine to bomb the Kremlin and coming back without being seen.

I would go for the Gripen, cheaper and can take of from pretty much your home's driveway, while having a pretty good radar and being compatible with nearly any weapon. Oh! and you can carry it on  truck and care for it with 6 guys.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen

Lavrov has said "there will be consequences" to pretty much all the deliveries. However, there are limited options for escalation for the RF in which they could achieve more than they would loose. By limited options I mean no options.

I think that the currently frozen assets from the oligarchs will have to pay this one:

We can't do it. You guys do it. Lol.

How many of the Nato countries really want to keep on supporting Ukraine? It's all a good, save-face show.


Poland does not plan to donate its own F-16 fighter jets and Patriot air defense systems to Ukraine, but urges other nations to do so

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-06-05-polish-pm-warsaw-wont-supply-jets-ukraine.html
Poland will not send F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine, according to the country’s Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki. However, he called on other nations to provide the aircraft at the soonest.

“We have too few F-16 aircraft. So at the moment today, there are no such expectations from us,” Morawiecki said during a June 1 press conference on the first day of the European Political Community Summit in Moldova. Polskie Radio reported that the Polish leader also noted Warsaw’s lack of Patriot air defense systems to send to Kyiv.

The Polish Air Force officially has 48 F-16 fighter jets, 12 of which are training variants. It has ordered 48 KAI T-50 Golden Eagle jets from South Korea and 32 F-35 jets from the United States. However, the 80 jets Warsaw ordered have not yet been delivered.

“We handed over our MiG-29 [jets] – good planes, good fighters –  and this is greatly appreciated,” Morawiecki added. Poland followed Slovakia in sending Ukraine some units from its fleet of 19 MiG-29 jets to aid the beleaguered nation.

The Polish prime minister added that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky thanked him for organizing the “F-16 coalition,” pertaining to the effort by several members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to supply Kyiv with F-16 fighter jets. While Poland and other NATO member states have offered to train Ukrainian pilots, it remains unclear where the planes would actually come from.

Morawiecki also shared some “bad news” regarding the Patriot air defense systems in Ukraine that were damaged or destroyed by Russian missile strikes.

“Just as we don’t have enough F-16 fighter [jets], we can’t hand over our Patriot systems to Ukraine for the same reason,” he said. Nevertheless, the Polish leader exhorted other nations with Patriot systems “to share them with Ukraine as soon as possible.”

“Patriots and F-16s are the latest ‘game-changer’ weapons Kyiv has demanded from the West to bolster its forces’ combat capabilities against Russia, especially in the light of its planned counter-offensive,” Russia Today (RT) pointed out.

Lavrov: Moscow will react to F-16 deliveries to Ukraine
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Several cognitive dissonances here. The damaging of the dam does not really kill many Ukrainians and it was probably within the probability calculus, it is just making an offensive temporarily more difficult. It only benefits RF.

The rhetoric about NATO wanting more Ukrainian casualties links with the false argument of Ukraine should not fight to avoid casualties. The right argument is Putin should not have started a war and there would be no casualties.

The Russians did not "leave the west bank" of the Dnipro, they were thrown out.

NATO is not a combatant in the Ukrainian war, but if  NATO wanted the dam gone, there would be no "feeble attempt", there will be a "dam no longer there" after a GBU.

You KIA figures come from some RF MoD reports that aims to "destroy in paper" everything that they cannot really destroy in the battlefield. The losses you claim are probably superior to the troops that have even taken part in the recent hostile recognisance of the terrain / minor preparations. Read well, you have seen nothing.

NATO is not a combatant in the Ukrainian war - it would be finished by now, with a parade in Moscow, so NATO cannot be beaten back nor beaten forward nor beaten sideways. Ukrainian troops still preserve part of the positions taken and there are rumours that indicate they have taken some terrain near Bakhmut, however at the moment there is a clear request for silence from the Ukraine MoD, so ... nothing else to add.

I do not understand the term Ukroid. I assume this is your attempt to de-humanize the enemy "so it is ok to kill them". Very Nazi from you.

Re Nazis, non-sense, this is a war for Crimea, anyone can see it.

The Ukroids have a much tougher row to hoe trying to work backwards into new-Russia.  This because the Russians can evacuate civilians and thus the tried-and-true Ukrainian methods of using human shields won't work as well.  The Russians are in this case able to open up with both barrels since collateral damage isn't as much of a problem.

The recent experience in the small salient which the Ukrainians tried to attack bears witness to what I'm talking about (no pun intended.)  Word is that the NATO losses were 1500 KIA, 28 tanks (including NATO Western gear) and over 100 armored vehicles.  That's some pretty good kills by SMO standards, and in one day NATO were beaten back to their starting points with nothing to show for the losses.  As per an above post, might be a good time to use the 'just joking' line vis-a-vis the 'start of the greatest counteroffensive'.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp1I55f-iHk

If the Russians are ever compelled to put boots on the ground in Western Ukraine to face the swastika Nazis on their home turf, I would anticipate that they would feel similarly freed from concerns about collateral damage.  At this point in time anyway.

On the dam thing, I think it quite possible that the Russians did indeed do it.  NATO took a feeble crack at it just before the Russians left the West bank in Kherson half a year ago, so I figure that the Russians consider the deed fair game.  Beyond that, it makes tactical sense with so many Ukrainians disrupted and drowned.

It makes sense in a logical world that the question of 'who-done-it?' would be informed by asking who lost equipment in the low-lands and that sort of thing.  In the current clown-world rife with desperate-crackhead-UkroidianNATO-ass-fuckery it doesn't mean a lot.  Both sides are happier with more dead Ukrainians than less.

They did not cut the line to Crimea, that is on the east bank and can be supplied without the dam apparently, and they damaged the dam just enough to engulf and drown the islands but not flooding the RF controlled territory. If you ask me, the only thing that does not match is them not shelling the boats that were evacuating the Ukrainian soldiers.

Tonight Russia huge terrorist attack - they blew up Kakhovka dam. But I guess they won't call it terrorist attack and they already blaming Ukraine for it, but it's not possible to it with artillery or Himars. Story with Antonov bridge is best proof it.
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-kyiv-accuses-russia-of-blowing-up-kakhovka-dam-evacuations-in-flood-zones-ordered/a-65833125
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russia-blows-up-major-nova-kakhovka-dam-southern-ukraine-2023-06-06/
Consequences of might be terrible and lot of cities and villages in both sides of Dnipro river is under risk of flooding. In some places like Nova Kakhovka (currently occupied) streets is already turning into rivers.
This dam supplied water to Zaporizhia power plant. Also, it was main supplier of water to Crimea, so these idiots literally cut branch that they're sitting on.