One must think why the 60 billion aid to Ukraine has been passed with the support of absolutely all democrats, but also by nearly half of the Republicans. There is no doubt that the representatives had to come and face the truth: The US voters do want to help Ukraine and want Ukraine to succeed.
Putin has been defeated in the political US fight. Have no doubt he has done the best he could on regards to stopping the aid, buying wills and throwing money and extortion to the problem. But he failed. And is not like a one vote fail, is like 100 of 200 fail.
Trump has been absent from the conversation, but this is a political loss on his stance about Ukraine, within his own party - at most, coming off his usual naps during his trial for paying a sex professional - he tweeted that this is very costly and thee like. I guess that he is trying very hard to ignore that two thirds of that money goes directly to several US states currently held by Republicans - e.g. Mississippi or Texas in the form of military contracts of huge sizes.
This is a full-blown diplomatic and political catastrophe for Putin, who can brag about some advances in the front, but at this point clearly understands that the current strategy of using FAB and then sending the "turtle tanks" may be short lived.
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 16. (Read 59103 times)
https://www.csis.org/analysis/back-stock-state-russias-defense-industry-after-two-years-war
How a frog boils, but does not get out of the pan:
Ruzzia is planning to increase their weapons production, which can obviously be expected as the "Three days to Kiev" was cancelled and this is of course possible in a country were you can just ignore if the people would rather have better schools or better medical care.
What is significant is that the investment is not going to the latest in missiles, fifth gen fighters or sophisticated weapons that can penetrate any defence. They are going to produce... more shells. This gives an idea of how devastating this war has been for the best and most irreplaceable production of Ruzzia, now centering the efforts in first world war dumb explosives.
Given the size of the frog, this is not something to be taken lightly, but is a clear indication of how the future looks like for Ruzzia and for their reputation as weapons exporter too.
My guess? Putin is praying for a Trump victory, but should be careful of what he wishes on that regard.
Yes, a light brigade inadequately armed left positions. Another one was sent to stabilise. A not really unusual fuck-up, not a "collapse" but certain you are giving here a real frog leap into calling for recruiting teens. BTW women are already fighting for Ukraine, given a gun, they kill Ruzzis perfectly well.
But hey... perhaps they should learn from Ruzzia and send teenagers into military targets and then claim they were hit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelabuga_drone_factory
So, following your theory, Ruzzia is winning so big that they use teens in a drone factory, in which they get killed because Ukraine cannot hit Ruzzia???
Boil frog boil.
How a frog boils, but does not get out of the pan:
Ruzzia is planning to increase their weapons production, which can obviously be expected as the "Three days to Kiev" was cancelled and this is of course possible in a country were you can just ignore if the people would rather have better schools or better medical care.
What is significant is that the investment is not going to the latest in missiles, fifth gen fighters or sophisticated weapons that can penetrate any defence. They are going to produce... more shells. This gives an idea of how devastating this war has been for the best and most irreplaceable production of Ruzzia, now centering the efforts in first world war dumb explosives.
Given the size of the frog, this is not something to be taken lightly, but is a clear indication of how the future looks like for Ruzzia and for their reputation as weapons exporter too.
My guess? Putin is praying for a Trump victory, but should be careful of what he wishes on that regard.
As Russian Troops Broke Through Ukrainian Lines, Panicky Ukrainian Commanders Had No Choice But To Deploy One Of Their Least-Prepared Brigades
The situation in and around Ocheretyne is desperate for Ukraine
[...]
Is it time to mobilize women and teenagers yet? Because UA is winning so hard?
The situation in and around Ocheretyne is desperate for Ukraine
[...]
Is it time to mobilize women and teenagers yet? Because UA is winning so hard?
Yes, a light brigade inadequately armed left positions. Another one was sent to stabilise. A not really unusual fuck-up, not a "collapse" but certain you are giving here a real frog leap into calling for recruiting teens. BTW women are already fighting for Ukraine, given a gun, they kill Ruzzis perfectly well.
But hey... perhaps they should learn from Ruzzia and send teenagers into military targets and then claim they were hit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelabuga_drone_factory
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n July 2023, an investigation revealed the factory recruits students of Alabuga Polytech, a branch of the Yelabuga Polytechnic College, as workers, some as young as 15. As of August 2023, the factory had several hundred students employed.[11] The students were promised a job and locally competitive salary of up to 70,000 rubles (US$700) per month as part of a work experience program. Instead, students enrolled were encouraged, and in some cases pressured, into working at the drone facility where their salaries are contingent on meeting production quotas
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In a 2 April 2024 offensive, the drone factory was struck by an improvised drone apparently adapted from a civilian light aircraft, likely an Aeroprakt A-22. Ukraine's military intelligence said the strike "caused significant destruction of production facilities".[2] Local governor Rustam Minnikhanov said the attack brought no serious damage or disruption to production.[19][2] Russian media reported a nearby workers' dormitory was damaged, with 12 injured.[20][21]
So, following your theory, Ruzzia is winning so big that they use teens in a drone factory, in which they get killed because Ukraine cannot hit Ruzzia???
Boil frog boil.
As Russian Troops Broke Through Ukrainian Lines, Panicky Ukrainian Commanders Had No Choice But To Deploy One Of Their Least-Prepared Brigades
The situation in and around Ocheretyne is desperate for Ukraine
...
Russian army’s 30th Motor Rifle Brigade raced several miles along the railroad threading west from Avdiivka and captured most of Ocheretyne—and potentially also Novobakhmutivka, the village south of Ocheretyne.
It’s the fastest penetration into Ukrainian territory by Russian forces in months—and it threatens to collapse Ukraine’s defensive line west of Avdiivka. A line that has held for months, but now has a deep and widening gap in it. “Pandora's box is open,” Ukrainian analysis group Deep State commented.
To get a sense of how frightened Ukrainian commanders are right now, consider the brigade they rushed into the breach north and west of Ocheretyne: the 100th Mechanized Brigade. The brigade is one of the newest and most lightly-equipped brigades in the Ukrainian army—and seemingly unsuited for the kind of front-line triage commanders are asking of it.
...
The 115th Mechanized Brigade was supposed to take the 47th Mechanized Brigade’s place in Ocheretyne, seamlessly filling the same fighting positions with enough troops to maintain the integrity of the defensive line west of Avdiivka.
But something went wrong. According to Mykola Melnyk, the famed 47th Mechanized Brigade company commander who lost a leg during Ukraine’s counteroffensive last year, “certain units just fucked off.”
The 115th Mechanized Brigade’s failure to hold the line practically invited the Russian 30th Motor Rifle Brigade into Ocheretyne—and triggered a panicky response in Ukrainian headquarters. Commanders ordered the battle-weary 47th Mechanized Brigade to turn around and return to the front line. They also ordered the 100th Mechanized Brigade to counterattack.
...
That the Ukrainians had to rush into a combat a comparatively weak brigade speaks to the paucity of Ukraine’s reserves west of Avdiivka, however. The Russians, for their part, are keeping an entire tank division, the 90th, in reserve around Avdiivka.
If the 90th Tank Division rolls into Ocheretyne before the Ukrainian eastern command mobilizes additional reinforcements, the Russian penetration could widen into a full-fledged breakthrough—one that could force tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops to retreat west to their next line of defenses.
The situation in and around Ocheretyne is desperate for Ukraine
...
Russian army’s 30th Motor Rifle Brigade raced several miles along the railroad threading west from Avdiivka and captured most of Ocheretyne—and potentially also Novobakhmutivka, the village south of Ocheretyne.
It’s the fastest penetration into Ukrainian territory by Russian forces in months—and it threatens to collapse Ukraine’s defensive line west of Avdiivka. A line that has held for months, but now has a deep and widening gap in it. “Pandora's box is open,” Ukrainian analysis group Deep State commented.
To get a sense of how frightened Ukrainian commanders are right now, consider the brigade they rushed into the breach north and west of Ocheretyne: the 100th Mechanized Brigade. The brigade is one of the newest and most lightly-equipped brigades in the Ukrainian army—and seemingly unsuited for the kind of front-line triage commanders are asking of it.
...
The 115th Mechanized Brigade was supposed to take the 47th Mechanized Brigade’s place in Ocheretyne, seamlessly filling the same fighting positions with enough troops to maintain the integrity of the defensive line west of Avdiivka.
But something went wrong. According to Mykola Melnyk, the famed 47th Mechanized Brigade company commander who lost a leg during Ukraine’s counteroffensive last year, “certain units just fucked off.”
The 115th Mechanized Brigade’s failure to hold the line practically invited the Russian 30th Motor Rifle Brigade into Ocheretyne—and triggered a panicky response in Ukrainian headquarters. Commanders ordered the battle-weary 47th Mechanized Brigade to turn around and return to the front line. They also ordered the 100th Mechanized Brigade to counterattack.
...
That the Ukrainians had to rush into a combat a comparatively weak brigade speaks to the paucity of Ukraine’s reserves west of Avdiivka, however. The Russians, for their part, are keeping an entire tank division, the 90th, in reserve around Avdiivka.
If the 90th Tank Division rolls into Ocheretyne before the Ukrainian eastern command mobilizes additional reinforcements, the Russian penetration could widen into a full-fledged breakthrough—one that could force tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops to retreat west to their next line of defenses.
Is it time to mobilize women and teenagers yet? Because UA is winning so hard?
The aid to Ukraine has been signed by Biden, which was the only step left to start getting the supplies to Ukraine. Most of these are stored in Europe so they will start arriving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDIxPNggr0U
To put things into perspective, this was all the aid sent to Ukraine from January 2022 to January 2024. It is easy to see that is a huge package.
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts
This is just all the aid until 5 months ago, just for measure.
And today it is Feodosia's turnto be attacked by drones, at an oil depot be the victim of someone smoking in the wrong place. It seems that there are plenty of places that can be easily be attacked by Ukrainian drones have people smoking around.
Maybe the resident trolls would like to evaluate how expensive this was and what little difference it makes, etc...?
https://t.me/feodosiyachat/132088
Edited to add: It seems that Ukraine is preferentially targeting Ruzzia air defence. Preparing the ground for the F-16?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDIxPNggr0U
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Biden says the U.S. will send weapons to Ukraine within 'hours'
To put things into perspective, this was all the aid sent to Ukraine from January 2022 to January 2024. It is easy to see that is a huge package.
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts
This is just all the aid until 5 months ago, just for measure.
And today it is Feodosia's turn
Maybe the resident trolls would like to evaluate how expensive this was and what little difference it makes, etc...?
https://t.me/feodosiyachat/132088
Edited to add: It seems that Ukraine is preferentially targeting Ruzzia air defence. Preparing the ground for the F-16?
Totally disgusting. Anybody who likes the Zelensky regime should go and fight for them so this kind of thing doesn't happen.
Kiev Regime About To Recruit Children In Schools
https://dailynewsfromaolf.substack.com/p/kiev-regime-about-to-recruit-children?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Written by Lucas Leiroz, member of the BRICS Journalists Association, researcher at the Center for Geostrategic Studies, military expert
Forced to continue fighting, the Kiev regime is desperately trying to supply its troops on the front lines with new recruits. Having already exhausted its reserves, the Ukrainian government is now betting on recruiting children in schools as an efficient way of replacing its casualties on the battlefield. From a realistic point of view, however, such a measure tends to further increase the regime's unpopularity.
A bill is being discussed in the Ukrainian Parliament to establish basic military training in the country's schools. Ukrainian high school students would be required to undergo military training classes in schools, in which they would learn basic combat lessons, weapons handling, as well as receiving a "patriotic education" – which in Ukraine, as well known, basically means neo-Nazi, anti-Russian brainwashing.
...
Kiev Regime About To Recruit Children In Schools
https://dailynewsfromaolf.substack.com/p/kiev-regime-about-to-recruit-children?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Written by Lucas Leiroz, member of the BRICS Journalists Association, researcher at the Center for Geostrategic Studies, military expert
Forced to continue fighting, the Kiev regime is desperately trying to supply its troops on the front lines with new recruits. Having already exhausted its reserves, the Ukrainian government is now betting on recruiting children in schools as an efficient way of replacing its casualties on the battlefield. From a realistic point of view, however, such a measure tends to further increase the regime's unpopularity.
A bill is being discussed in the Ukrainian Parliament to establish basic military training in the country's schools. Ukrainian high school students would be required to undergo military training classes in schools, in which they would learn basic combat lessons, weapons handling, as well as receiving a "patriotic education" – which in Ukraine, as well known, basically means neo-Nazi, anti-Russian brainwashing.
...
The important things:
- Ukraine knows what works and what does not.
- Ukraine can hit oil facilities. I expect that now to happen after the US elections. Latest drones are above the 1000 km of range (some say 3000 km, but I am not giving yet credit unless I see evidence).
- Ukraine has learnt from the Surovikin line and now has its own.
- Ukraine can stop Ruzzia in the front, is willing to do so and is willing to bleed Ruzzian economy hard.
I see that there is a clear direction. Optimal result: Crimea cut from railway lines this year.
- Ukraine knows what works and what does not.
- Ukraine can hit oil facilities. I expect that now to happen after the US elections. Latest drones are above the 1000 km of range (some say 3000 km, but I am not giving yet credit unless I see evidence).
- Ukraine has learnt from the Surovikin line and now has its own.
- Ukraine can stop Ruzzia in the front, is willing to do so and is willing to bleed Ruzzian economy hard.
I see that there is a clear direction. Optimal result: Crimea cut from railway lines this year.
I get that you're trying to concentrate on the positives, but at this point a child can see that cherry picking some facts that are adventitious to you usually means that someone is trying to mislead you.
"Branko mentioned the Excalibur, used by HIMARS" lol what!?! At this point i'm just going to assume that you're drunk or just trolling me.
Good that you could admit that Branko was right, still not sure why you continue discussing other price before the war even began and the current global shortage of 155mm shells. Until the shortage is gone might as well discuss the hypothetical price of 155mm shells if they were growing on trees, would be just as relevant.
"when you deny that Ruzzia is sending soldiers in Golfcarts to the front" cite where i deny that Russia is using golfcart like vehicles? Or shamefully just ignore this point and change the subject yet again.
"Or would you want to admit that 60 billion is the US aid is on top of the EU aid and is more that the rate given on previous years and that you are lying when trying to make it appear otherwise?"
Ohh boy, you actually believed that one too, huh? You know, it would help to develop some critical thinking skills instead of just blindly believing everything that you wish to be true. Let me explain so you don't set yourself up for another disappointment. Just because USA approves aid to Ukraine for $X (what congress passes) doesn't mean that $X will make it to Ukraine. In fact most will stay in US and only a small portion of that $Y will make it to Ukraine (what Kiel Institute accounts for). Just look into the previous $113B congress passed
$113 billion: Where the US investment in Ukraine aid has gone
...
The largest chunk has gone directly to help Ukraine’s military
The US has actually spent a bit more than $43 billion on security aid for Ukraine since Russia’s invasion in February 2022.
Does the money go where it’s supposed to?
There have been indications of corruption. Zelensky, for instance, replaced the leadership at his defense ministry just before traveling to the US to address the United Nations and appear at the White House with Biden.
...
The largest chunk has gone directly to help Ukraine’s military
The US has actually spent a bit more than $43 billion on security aid for Ukraine since Russia’s invasion in February 2022.
Does the money go where it’s supposed to?
There have been indications of corruption. Zelensky, for instance, replaced the leadership at his defense ministry just before traveling to the US to address the United Nations and appear at the White House with Biden.
And let me spell this out so you don't get confused on this one too, I'm only talking about USA, sure Brits just committed $0,6B and other countries commit too
"by your comments that Ukraine is just playing golf with the Scalps" are you sure you're not confusing me with someone else here? Or are you a bot that just generates positive messages to keep up Ukraine's morale?
Finally, it's getting ugly out there for Ukrainians, guess they decided to completely shred the constitution and citizens rights, hope everyone who has Ukrainian passport here managed to renew it or it's a one way ticket to execute American KPIsAnger among Ukrainians in Poland as Kyiv halts passport renewals
Lying or misreading little troll??
- Ruzzia is sending people in unarmoured vehicles to the frontline. did you lie or misread?
- 60 Billion is nearly as much as the aid sent by US in two previous years - regardless if sent in weapons or cash - Now I know you have not misread, so this one is lying for you. The rest... textwalling, your favourite when your are caught.
- Fronts collapsing... Lying or lying? (I cannot give you the honourable option).
Excalibur shells are used for long range expensive targets. Are you trying to imply that is not the case?i
(I did say HIMARS because I was thinking of the rocket, but they are fired by conventional artillery, so I am happy to correct THAT, which is irrelevant to the case)
Branko is trying to imply that shells fired by Ukraine cost 100.000 US which is not the common case. See, he does not lie, just uses partial information. I am sure you are very familiar with using partial information uh? But let's just quote the same source:
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So now that you bring the topic, and for the benefit of those soldiers and people that you are trying to get to their deaths by trying to deny what this means: Excalibur is one shot one kill. Would you like to be on the receiving end thinking... "oh well, at least it costed them a lot".
People living Ukraine... yes it happens. See below a link.... about people leaving Ruzzia... Boiling frogggggg
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/border-fear-then-relief-men-fleeing-russia-2022-10-05/
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For the men leaving Russia after vast journeys across the world's biggest country, there is now often a final ordeal: visceral fear at the border followed by a rush of relief for those who reach the other side.
Hundreds of thousands of men have left Russia since President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24. Some feared they would be called up to fight, others simply sought new lives after war changed Russia more dramatically than at any time since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.
Hundreds of thousands of men have left Russia since President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24. Some feared they would be called up to fight, others simply sought new lives after war changed Russia more dramatically than at any time since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.
What did i missread or lie about? Shall we try a third attempt at forming a full question? You must be really slow to understand so let me try this one last time. I'm don't pretend to be a military expert so i don't speculate on daily events. As far as your so called "golfcarts" i have no idea if they're good or bad, but few questions come to mind from the top:
Would the occupants survive an anti-personnel mine?
Is it heavy enough to set off an anti-tank mine?
Do UAs rules of engagement allow Javelin use against a "golfcart" with one or two occupants?
What's easier to target with a drone, such "golfcart" driving at speed vs infantry on foot?
With so many drones covering the front lines, i'd imagine one would want to minimize time spent in the open moving between the tree lines?
Is there a better alternative for a fast evac of wounded?
Etc etc etc ...
You've been throwing these radical claims since you claimed that switchblades would be a game changer, and making fun of RU tank cages which Ukraine has since also implemented.
Lol you still refuse to accept that congress has previously approved $113B in "Ukraine" aid before?
Quote from: https://www.csis.org/analysis/past-present-and-future-us-assistance-ukraine-deep-dive-data
Q1: Since the start of the war, how much funding has Congress appropriated for Ukraine?
A1: To date, Congress has passed four spending packages in response to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine— $113 billion in total. The $113 billion spans agencies and bureaus and provides for much-needed support in areas including military equipment, migration and refugee assistance, energy, and countering disinformation.
Q2: Did all $113 billion go to Ukraine?
A2: No, it is important to note that not all of this funding has gone to Ukraine. A good proportion of this funding is being spent in the United States, or on U.S. personnel.
Just as will these $60B. You really believed that all of $60B would go to Ukraine lol?A1: To date, Congress has passed four spending packages in response to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine— $113 billion in total. The $113 billion spans agencies and bureaus and provides for much-needed support in areas including military equipment, migration and refugee assistance, energy, and countering disinformation.
Q2: Did all $113 billion go to Ukraine?
A2: No, it is important to note that not all of this funding has gone to Ukraine. A good proportion of this funding is being spent in the United States, or on U.S. personnel.
You made a claim implying unrealistic prewar costs of 155mm shells, Branko corrected you citing a full sentence with the current, actually relevant cost of 155mm shell. You started attacking irrelevant part about Excalibur shells and you're still the only one that keeps talking about Excalibur for some reason?
So your reply to Ukraine globally stopping providing consular assistance to almost half of its population outside of UA (all males from 18-65) is an article from 2022 about men leaving Russia during partial mobilization in Russia? Hmm ok sure
Little troll, you have a reading comprehension issue: Branko mentioned the Excalibur, used by HIMARS which is only used for the expensive vehicles - occasionally to kill masses with cluster munition. Please, educate yourself.
Actually, Excalibur is guided 155mm shell, Himars uses completely different (and way more expensive) ammunition
And yes, Ukrainians use them too:
https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-key-us-weapons-artillery-shells-for-ukraine-is-soaring-2024-3#:~:text=Interestingly%2C%20GAO%20declined%20to%20specify,vital%20Russian%20targets%20%E2%80%94%20such%20as
The important things:
- Ukraine knows what works and what does not.
- Ukraine can hit oil facilities. I expect that now to happen after the US elections. Latest drones are above the 1000 km of range (some say 3000 km, but I am not giving yet credit unless I see evidence).
- Ukraine has learnt from the Surovikin line and now has its own.
- Ukraine can stop Ruzzia in the front, is willing to do so and is willing to bleed Ruzzian economy hard.
I see that there is a clear direction. Optimal result: Crimea cut from railway lines this year.
The muddy waters in which some here live:
It was also confirmed today that will get ATACMS rockets with range up to 300 km. And as we already saw few times, it was actually already delivered to Ukraine and they already used it to hit targets in Crimea.- Ukraine knows what works and what does not.
- Ukraine can hit oil facilities. I expect that now to happen after the US elections. Latest drones are above the 1000 km of range (some say 3000 km, but I am not giving yet credit unless I see evidence).
- Ukraine has learnt from the Surovikin line and now has its own.
- Ukraine can stop Ruzzia in the front, is willing to do so and is willing to bleed Ruzzian economy hard.
I see that there is a clear direction. Optimal result: Crimea cut from railway lines this year.
The muddy waters in which some here live:
But that's not the most important thing. It was confirmed that Ukraine will get 7 Patriot systems - it's something that they needed a lot. I hope that Kharkiv, city who suffers most from Russian attacks will get at least 1-2 Patriot's.
The important things:
- Ukraine knows what works and what does not.
- Ukraine can hit oil facilities. I expect that now to happen after the US elections. Latest drones are above the 1000 km of range (some say 3000 km, but I am not giving yet credit unless I see evidence).
- Ukraine has learnt from the Surovikin line and now has its own.
- Ukraine can stop Ruzzia in the front, is willing to do so and is willing to bleed Ruzzian economy hard.
I see that there is a clear direction. Optimal result: Crimea cut from railway lines this year.
- Ukraine knows what works and what does not.
- Ukraine can hit oil facilities. I expect that now to happen after the US elections. Latest drones are above the 1000 km of range (some say 3000 km, but I am not giving yet credit unless I see evidence).
- Ukraine has learnt from the Surovikin line and now has its own.
- Ukraine can stop Ruzzia in the front, is willing to do so and is willing to bleed Ruzzian economy hard.
I see that there is a clear direction. Optimal result: Crimea cut from railway lines this year.
I get that you're trying to concentrate on the positives, but at this point a child can see that cherry picking some facts that are adventitious to you usually means that someone is trying to mislead you.
"Branko mentioned the Excalibur, used by HIMARS" lol what!?! At this point i'm just going to assume that you're drunk or just trolling me.
Good that you could admit that Branko was right, still not sure why you continue discussing other price before the war even began and the current global shortage of 155mm shells. Until the shortage is gone might as well discuss the hypothetical price of 155mm shells if they were growing on trees, would be just as relevant.
"when you deny that Ruzzia is sending soldiers in Golfcarts to the front" cite where i deny that Russia is using golfcart like vehicles? Or shamefully just ignore this point and change the subject yet again.
"Or would you want to admit that 60 billion is the US aid is on top of the EU aid and is more that the rate given on previous years and that you are lying when trying to make it appear otherwise?"
Ohh boy, you actually believed that one too, huh? You know, it would help to develop some critical thinking skills instead of just blindly believing everything that you wish to be true. Let me explain so you don't set yourself up for another disappointment. Just because USA approves aid to Ukraine for $X (what congress passes) doesn't mean that $X will make it to Ukraine. In fact most will stay in US and only a small portion of that $Y will make it to Ukraine (what Kiel Institute accounts for). Just look into the previous $113B congress passed
$113 billion: Where the US investment in Ukraine aid has gone
...
The largest chunk has gone directly to help Ukraine’s military
The US has actually spent a bit more than $43 billion on security aid for Ukraine since Russia’s invasion in February 2022.
Does the money go where it’s supposed to?
There have been indications of corruption. Zelensky, for instance, replaced the leadership at his defense ministry just before traveling to the US to address the United Nations and appear at the White House with Biden.
...
The largest chunk has gone directly to help Ukraine’s military
The US has actually spent a bit more than $43 billion on security aid for Ukraine since Russia’s invasion in February 2022.
Does the money go where it’s supposed to?
There have been indications of corruption. Zelensky, for instance, replaced the leadership at his defense ministry just before traveling to the US to address the United Nations and appear at the White House with Biden.
And let me spell this out so you don't get confused on this one too, I'm only talking about USA, sure Brits just committed $0,6B and other countries commit too
"by your comments that Ukraine is just playing golf with the Scalps" are you sure you're not confusing me with someone else here? Or are you a bot that just generates positive messages to keep up Ukraine's morale?
Finally, it's getting ugly out there for Ukrainians, guess they decided to completely shred the constitution and citizens rights, hope everyone who has Ukrainian passport here managed to renew it or it's a one way ticket to execute American KPIsAnger among Ukrainians in Poland as Kyiv halts passport renewals
Lying or misreading little troll??
- Ruzzia is sending people in unarmoured vehicles to the frontline. did you lie or misread?
- 60 Billion is nearly as much as the aid sent by US in two previous years - regardless if sent in weapons or cash - Now I know you have not misread, so this one is lying for you. The rest... textwalling, your favourite when your are caught.
- Fronts collapsing... Lying or lying? (I cannot give you the honourable option).
Excalibur shells are used for long range expensive targets. Are you trying to imply that is not the case?i
(I did say HIMARS because I was thinking of the rocket, but they are fired by conventional artillery, so I am happy to correct THAT, which is irrelevant to the case)
Branko is trying to imply that shells fired by Ukraine cost 100.000 US which is not the common case. See, he does not lie, just uses partial information. I am sure you are very familiar with using partial information uh? But let's just quote the same source:
Quote
So now that you bring the topic, and for the benefit of those soldiers and people that you are trying to get to their deaths by trying to deny what this means: Excalibur is one shot one kill. Would you like to be on the receiving end thinking... "oh well, at least it costed them a lot".
People living Ukraine... yes it happens. See below a link.... about people leaving Ruzzia... Boiling frogggggg
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/border-fear-then-relief-men-fleeing-russia-2022-10-05/
Quote
For the men leaving Russia after vast journeys across the world's biggest country, there is now often a final ordeal: visceral fear at the border followed by a rush of relief for those who reach the other side.
Hundreds of thousands of men have left Russia since President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24. Some feared they would be called up to fight, others simply sought new lives after war changed Russia more dramatically than at any time since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.
Hundreds of thousands of men have left Russia since President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24. Some feared they would be called up to fight, others simply sought new lives after war changed Russia more dramatically than at any time since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.
The important things:
- Ukraine knows what works and what does not.
- Ukraine can hit oil facilities. I expect that now to happen after the US elections. Latest drones are above the 1000 km of range (some say 3000 km, but I am not giving yet credit unless I see evidence).
- Ukraine has learnt from the Surovikin line and now has its own.
- Ukraine can stop Ruzzia in the front, is willing to do so and is willing to bleed Ruzzian economy hard.
I see that there is a clear direction. Optimal result: Crimea cut from railway lines this year.
- Ukraine knows what works and what does not.
- Ukraine can hit oil facilities. I expect that now to happen after the US elections. Latest drones are above the 1000 km of range (some say 3000 km, but I am not giving yet credit unless I see evidence).
- Ukraine has learnt from the Surovikin line and now has its own.
- Ukraine can stop Ruzzia in the front, is willing to do so and is willing to bleed Ruzzian economy hard.
I see that there is a clear direction. Optimal result: Crimea cut from railway lines this year.
I get that you're trying to concentrate on the positives, but at this point a child can see that cherry picking some facts that are adventitious to you usually means that someone is trying to mislead you.
"Branko mentioned the Excalibur, used by HIMARS" lol what!?! At this point i'm just going to assume that you're drunk or just trolling me.
Good that you could admit that Branko was right, still not sure why you continue discussing other price before the war even began and the current global shortage of 155mm shells. Until the shortage is gone might as well discuss the hypothetical price of 155mm shells if they were growing on trees, would be just as relevant.
"when you deny that Ruzzia is sending soldiers in Golfcarts to the front" cite where i deny that Russia is using golfcart like vehicles? Or shamefully just ignore this point and change the subject yet again.
"Or would you want to admit that 60 billion is the US aid is on top of the EU aid and is more that the rate given on previous years and that you are lying when trying to make it appear otherwise?"
Ohh boy, you actually believed that one too, huh? You know, it would help to develop some critical thinking skills instead of just blindly believing everything that you wish to be true. Let me explain so you don't set yourself up for another disappointment. Just because USA approves aid to Ukraine for $X (what congress passes) doesn't mean that $X will make it to Ukraine. In fact most will stay in US and only a small portion of that $Y will make it to Ukraine (what Kiel Institute accounts for). Just look into the previous $113B congress passed
$113 billion: Where the US investment in Ukraine aid has gone
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The largest chunk has gone directly to help Ukraine’s military
The US has actually spent a bit more than $43 billion on security aid for Ukraine since Russia’s invasion in February 2022.
Does the money go where it’s supposed to?
There have been indications of corruption. Zelensky, for instance, replaced the leadership at his defense ministry just before traveling to the US to address the United Nations and appear at the White House with Biden.
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The largest chunk has gone directly to help Ukraine’s military
The US has actually spent a bit more than $43 billion on security aid for Ukraine since Russia’s invasion in February 2022.
Does the money go where it’s supposed to?
There have been indications of corruption. Zelensky, for instance, replaced the leadership at his defense ministry just before traveling to the US to address the United Nations and appear at the White House with Biden.
And let me spell this out so you don't get confused on this one too, I'm only talking about USA, sure Brits just committed $0,6B and other countries commit too
"by your comments that Ukraine is just playing golf with the Scalps" are you sure you're not confusing me with someone else here? Or are you a bot that just generates positive messages to keep up Ukraine's morale?
Finally, it's getting ugly out there for Ukrainians, guess they decided to completely shred the constitution and citizens rights, hope everyone who has Ukrainian passport here managed to renew it or it's a one way ticket to execute American KPIsAnger among Ukrainians in Poland as Kyiv halts passport renewals
The important things:
- Ukraine knows what works and what does not.
- Ukraine can hit oil facilities. I expect that now to happen after the US elections. Latest drones are above the 1000 km of range (some say 3000 km, but I am not giving yet credit unless I see evidence).
- Ukraine has learnt from the Surovikin line and now has its own.
- Ukraine can stop Ruzzia in the front, is willing to do so and is willing to bleed Ruzzian economy hard.
I see that there is a clear direction. Optimal result: Crimea cut from railway lines this year.
The muddy waters in which some here live:
It is the houses special. I am not sure, but I think DaRude here is trying to make it look like getting 60 billion in aid is a bad thing and will not impact the rate of fatalities in the Ruzzian army? I mean... a 155MM shell is 300 US. 60B of shells would be like... 18 million shells? More than all that has been yet used in the war? A whole 6 year shell production of Ruzzia to their most optimistic stats? This is just to give an idea, not realistic, but... I would not want to be on the other side of this gun.
"" The cost for Excalibur has been estimated at around $100,000 per round, compared to about $3,000 for an unguided 155-mm shell."
Source:
https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-key-us-weapons-artillery-shells-for-ukraine-is-soaring-2024-3
I guess rest of your comments are just as accurate...wrong tenfold
Excalibur is an exception, used for targets that are at least x10 its cost. One shot, one less tank, one less Uragan... Your argument is very interesting, but does not stop the bullets.
LOL You make a claim that "a 155MM shell is 300 US" Branko corrects you by citing a full sentence from Business Insider, which estimates the price of different shells including the one you mentioned 155-mm shell at $3,000. Then instead of thanking him for correcting your blatant mistake (or being caught on a lie) your reply with some irrelevant comment about that other shell? Do you have reading comprehension issues that you really don't understand Branko's citation, or you're just incapable of admitting that you were wrong, so much so, that you'd rather make yourself sound like a fool and be made fun of?
Getting 60 billion would definitely impact the rate of Russian fatalities, but it's like someone giving Japan money after US nuked them, just to keep them fighting a bit longer. Would that increase Russian/American fatalities? Sure, but would it help Japan? Unlikely. I can't believe i have to explain this to you like you're a 6yr old, but here it goes, if something is bad for Russia, that doesn't automatically makes it good for Ukraine, as something bad for Russia can mean something even worse for Ukraine. Now if you don't care for Ukrainian losses and view this strictly from American point of view, than i stand corrected and you are right, finding fools to suicide themselves on your opponent is definitely advantageous.
Little troll, you have a reading comprehension issue: Branko mentioned the Excalibur, used by HIMARS which is only used for the expensive vehicles - occasionally to kill masses with cluster munition. Please, educate yourself.
Branko is right (on this) at todays prices as I am right at usual market prices which are around 300 US. There is no lie, there is no mistake in understanding. Todays prices are today, as production expands price is likely to go back to the mean as I just said. I hope you are have reading comprehension as opposed to lying when you deny that Ruzzia is sending soldiers in Golfcarts to the front? Would you like to admit that you were wrong or lying? Which of the two you like most?
Or would you want to admit that 60 billion is the US aid is on top of the EU aid and is more that the rate given on previous years and that you are lying when trying to make it appear otherwise?
You know what? It does not matter. At this point all Ruzzian soldiers and the command know what this means. I am sure that Ruzzis in the front feel very re-assured by your permanent denial of the fact that 60 billion of military equipment is going to be used on them. I am sure that the High Command of the Baltic fleet is very reassured by your comments that Ukraine is just playing golf with the Scalps as the artillery and tank crews are very reassured because the price of the Excalibur that will kill them is expensive.
Keep on boiling frog and dreaming of front collapses. Unless you would like to admit that you are lying when you say the front has collapsed?
Me personally? I hope to save people from dying for the delirious dreams of a dictator or by giving any credits to the "information" provided by the resident trolls here, and try to get a peace that I have enjoyed and wish for future generations. Unfortunately, none of that happens for free and without fighting.
- Ukraine knows what works and what does not.
- Ukraine can hit oil facilities. I expect that now to happen after the US elections. Latest drones are above the 1000 km of range (some say 3000 km, but I am not giving yet credit unless I see evidence).
- Ukraine has learnt from the Surovikin line and now has its own.
- Ukraine can stop Ruzzia in the front, is willing to do so and is willing to bleed Ruzzian economy hard.
I see that there is a clear direction. Optimal result: Crimea cut from railway lines this year.
The muddy waters in which some here live:
It is the houses special. I am not sure, but I think DaRude here is trying to make it look like getting 60 billion in aid is a bad thing and will not impact the rate of fatalities in the Ruzzian army? I mean... a 155MM shell is 300 US. 60B of shells would be like... 18 million shells? More than all that has been yet used in the war? A whole 6 year shell production of Ruzzia to their most optimistic stats? This is just to give an idea, not realistic, but... I would not want to be on the other side of this gun.
"" The cost for Excalibur has been estimated at around $100,000 per round, compared to about $3,000 for an unguided 155-mm shell."
Source:
https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-key-us-weapons-artillery-shells-for-ukraine-is-soaring-2024-3
I guess rest of your comments are just as accurate...wrong tenfold
Excalibur is an exception, used for targets that are at least x10 its cost. One shot, one less tank, one less Uragan... Your argument is very interesting, but does not stop the bullets.
LOL You make a claim that "a 155MM shell is 300 US" Branko corrects you by citing a full sentence from Business Insider, which estimates the price of different shells including the one you mentioned 155-mm shell at $3,000. Then instead of thanking him for correcting your blatant mistake (or being caught on a lie) your reply with some irrelevant comment about that other shell? Do you have reading comprehension issues that you really don't understand Branko's citation, or you're just incapable of admitting that you were wrong, so much so, that you'd rather make yourself sound like a fool and be made fun of?
Getting 60 billion would definitely impact the rate of Russian fatalities, but it's like someone giving Japan money after US nuked them, just to keep them fighting a bit longer. Would that increase Russian/American fatalities? Sure, but would it help Japan? Unlikely. I can't believe i have to explain this to you like you're a 6yr old, but here it goes, if something is bad for Russia, that doesn't automatically makes it good for Ukraine, as something bad for Russia can mean something even worse for Ukraine. Now if you don't care for Ukrainian losses and view this strictly from American point of view, than i stand corrected and you are right, finding fools to suicide themselves on your opponent is definitely advantageous.
Little troll, you have a reading comprehension issue: Branko mentioned the Excalibur, used by HIMARS which is only used for the expensive vehicles - occasionally to kill masses with cluster munition. Please, educate yourself.
Branko is right (on this) at todays prices as I am right at usual market prices which are around 300 US. There is no lie, there is no mistake in understanding. Todays prices are today, as production expands price is likely to go back to the mean as I just said. I hope you are have reading comprehension as opposed to lying when you deny that Ruzzia is sending soldiers in Golfcarts to the front? Would you like to admit that you were wrong or lying? Which of the two you like most?
Or would you want to admit that 60 billion is the US aid is on top of the EU aid and is more that the rate given on previous years and that you are lying when trying to make it appear otherwise?
You know what? It does not matter. At this point all Ruzzian soldiers and the command know what this means. I am sure that Ruzzis in the front feel very re-assured by your permanent denial of the fact that 60 billion of military equipment is going to be used on them. I am sure that the High Command of the Baltic fleet is very reassured by your comments that Ukraine is just playing golf with the Scalps as the artillery and tank crews are very reassured because the price of the Excalibur that will kill them is expensive.
Keep on boiling frog and dreaming of front collapses. Unless you would like to admit that you are lying when you say the front has collapsed?
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Why the fuck would I waste my time with your straw people. Seems like your brain damage is getting worse, you're not even trying to tell the difference between reality and your fantasy world.
Why the fuck would I waste my time with your straw people. Seems like your brain damage is getting worse, you're not even trying to tell the difference between reality and your fantasy world.
Me personally? I hope to save people from dying for the delirious dreams of a dictator or by giving any credits to the "information" provided by the resident trolls here, and try to get a peace that I have enjoyed and wish for future generations. Unfortunately, none of that happens for free and without fighting.
LOL You make a claim that "a 155MM shell is 300 US" Branko corrects you by citing a full sentence from Business Insider, which estimates the price of different shells including the one you mentioned 155-mm shell at $3,000. Then instead of thanking him for correcting your blatant mistake (or being caught on a lie) your reply with some irrelevant comment about that other shell? Do you have reading comprehension issues that you really don't understand Branko's citation, or you're just incapable of admitting that you were wrong, so much so, that you'd rather make yourself sound like a fool and be made fun of?
Getting 60 billion would definitely impact the rate of Russian fatalities, but it's like someone giving Japan money after US nuked them, just to keep them fighting a bit longer. Would that increase Russian/American fatalities? Sure, but would it help Japan? Unlikely. I can't believe i have to explain this to you like you're a 6yr old, but here it goes, if something is bad for Russia, that doesn't automatically makes it good for Ukraine, as something bad for Russia can mean something even worse for Ukraine. Now if you don't care for Ukrainian losses and view this strictly from American point of view, than i stand corrected and you are right, finding fools to suicide themselves on your opponent is definitely advantageous.
He should personally go to Ukraine to explain situation to these people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=KXhC8WREVKM
Hostile military alliance creeping toward their border is not enough reason to think about bad intentions?
Is that the same "hostile military alliance" that has gotten even closer to "their border" in the last couple of years? Such victory. Afghanistan 2.0 but more stupider.
Back up your words or stop attempting to fool people. Find any major news outlets that claim that Ukraine is doing good at the front (overall not some marginal local victory), then we'll see who's cherry picking.
Why the fuck would I waste my time with your straw people. Seems like your brain damage is getting worse, you're not even trying to tell the difference between reality and your fantasy world.
You waste your time eating meals now and again, don't you? So, why not watch the old Wizard of Oz movie, again. It was the straw man, the scarecrow, that had the brains. You just might learn how destroyed Ukraine really is.
Hostile military alliance creeping toward their border is not enough reason to think about bad intentions?
Is that the same "hostile military alliance" that has gotten even closer to "their border" in the last couple of years? Such victory. Afghanistan 2.0 but more stupider.
Back up your words or stop attempting to fool people. Find any major news outlets that claim that Ukraine is doing good at the front (overall not some marginal local victory), then we'll see who's cherry picking.
Why the fuck would I waste my time with your straw people. Seems like your brain damage is getting worse, you're not even trying to tell the difference between reality and your fantasy world.
It is the houses special. I am not sure, but I think DaRude here is trying to make it look like getting 60 billion in aid is a bad thing and will not impact the rate of fatalities in the Ruzzian army? I mean... a 155MM shell is 300 US. 60B of shells would be like... 18 million shells? More than all that has been yet used in the war? A whole 6 year shell production of Ruzzia to their most optimistic stats? This is just to give an idea, not realistic, but... I would not want to be on the other side of this gun.
"" The cost for Excalibur has been estimated at around $100,000 per round, compared to about $3,000 for an unguided 155-mm shell."
Source:
https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-key-us-weapons-artillery-shells-for-ukraine-is-soaring-2024-3
I guess rest of your comments are just as accurate...wrong tenfold
Excalibur is an exception, used for targets that are at least x10 its cost. One shot, one less tank, one less Uragan... Your argument is very interesting, but does not stop the bullets.
LOL You make a claim that "a 155MM shell is 300 US" Branko corrects you by citing a full sentence from Business Insider, which estimates the price of different shells including the one you mentioned 155-mm shell at $3,000. Then instead of thanking him for correcting your blatant mistake (or being caught on a lie) your reply with some irrelevant comment about that other shell? Do you have reading comprehension issues that you really don't understand Branko's citation, or you're just incapable of admitting that you were wrong, so much so, that you'd rather make yourself sound like a fool and be made fun of?
Getting 60 billion would definitely impact the rate of Russian fatalities, but it's like someone giving Japan money after US nuked them, just to keep them fighting a bit longer. Would that increase Russian/American fatalities? Sure, but would it help Japan? Unlikely. I can't believe i have to explain this to you like you're a 6yr old, but here it goes, if something is bad for Russia, that doesn't automatically makes it good for Ukraine, as something bad for Russia can mean something even worse for Ukraine. Now if you don't care for Ukrainian losses and view this strictly from American point of view, than i stand corrected and you are right, finding fools to suicide themselves on your opponent is definitely advantageous.
It is the houses special. I am not sure, but I think DaRude here is trying to make it look like getting 60 billion in aid is a bad thing and will not impact the rate of fatalities in the Ruzzian army? I mean... a 155MM shell is 300 US. 60B of shells would be like... 18 million shells? More than all that has been yet used in the war? A whole 6 year shell production of Ruzzia to their most optimistic stats? This is just to give an idea, not realistic, but... I would not want to be on the other side of this gun.
"" The cost for Excalibur has been estimated at around $100,000 per round, compared to about $3,000 for an unguided 155-mm shell."
Source:
https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-key-us-weapons-artillery-shells-for-ukraine-is-soaring-2024-3
I guess rest of your comments are just as accurate...wrong tenfold
Excalibur is an exception, used for targets that are at least x10 its cost. One shot, one less tank, one less Uragan... Your argument is very interesting, but does not stop the bullets.
It is the houses special. I am not sure, but I think DaRude here is trying to make it look like getting 60 billion in aid is a bad thing and will not impact the rate of fatalities in the Ruzzian army? I mean... a 155MM shell is 300 US. 60B of shells would be like... 18 million shells? More than all that has been yet used in the war? A whole 6 year shell production of Ruzzia to their most optimistic stats? This is just to give an idea, not realistic, but... I would not want to be on the other side of this gun.
"" The cost for Excalibur has been estimated at around $100,000 per round, compared to about $3,000 for an unguided 155-mm shell."
Source:
https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-key-us-weapons-artillery-shells-for-ukraine-is-soaring-2024-3
I guess rest of your comments are just as accurate...wrong tenfold
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Huh why does it sounds like they're not talking about Ukraine winning at all, but just hoping for chance to hold back Russia from completely breaking through Ukrainian lines
Huh why does it sounds like they're not talking about Ukraine winning at all, but just hoping for chance to hold back Russia from completely breaking through Ukrainian lines
I can repeat it again if you want, but since you do not seem to understand, I will use now the 6 year old version:
- Make sure the bully does not get your lunch.
- Make sure the bully gets punched in the face until he decides you lunch is not worth that much.
- Keep hitting until the bully does not have any more resources to hit you.
And then, kick the bully out of the room.
Versus the wrong strategy of blind-charging a bigger guy like in summer.
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I see, so still pushing the narrative that Ukraine is totally winning because its super-soldiers became uber-effective with some tech that will surely become a game changer. They just need to continue to give up land, and mobilize women Should they continue doing it in stages, drop the conscription age first to 21 before dropping it to 18 (you know boiling the frog), or just start conscripting 18yr olds right away? You know, because they're winning so hard, and things are better than ever for Ukraine? Do you think loosing Kharkiv wouldn't be a bad for Ukraine too? Because everything can be spun as a positive, willing to accept any Ukrainian loss as long as Russia is demilitarized a bit more for the US?
I see, so still pushing the narrative that Ukraine is totally winning because its super-soldiers became uber-effective with some tech that will surely become a game changer. They just need to continue to give up land, and mobilize women
Should they continue doing it in stages, drop the conscription age first to 21 before dropping it to 18 (you know boiling the frog), or just start conscripting 18yr olds right away? You know, because they're winning so hard, and things are better than ever for Ukraine? Do you think loosing Kharkiv wouldn't be a bad for Ukraine too? Because everything can be spun as a positive, willing to accept any Ukrainian loss as long as Russia is demilitarized a bit more for the US?No, those are your words not mine. A usual way of attacking an argument is taking it to the ridiculous. For example: "hey it seems that daRude is still reading that plan in which the parade in Kiev would be in day three, perhaps I should buy him a subscription for a newspaper" or "I guess you want to see 50% of the Ruzzian fleet in the bottom of the sea instead of the current 15% because you just love seafood".
What I have said is that 60 billion in military aid are the roughly equivalent to six year of Ruzzia's production of shells to their most optimistic stats and that Ukraine is able to hit and has hit high-value targets up to 1000 kilometres from the front. Hint: take a look at where most of Ruzzia's most valuable factories and sites are.
Hint: Do not look up population stats for Ukraine, just keep looking for any negative stat you can find on Russia, just make sure to present it in a vacuum without providing objective content.
I know Ukrainian statistics on population perfectly well. That is why I think they need to get free from Ruzzia and find the same progress Poland had during many decades after they got rid of Ruzzia and joined the EU.
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Back up your words or stop attempting to fool people. Find any major news outlets that claim that Ukraine is doing good at the front (overall not some marginal local victory), then we'll see who's cherry picking.
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Back up your words or stop attempting to fool people. Find any major news outlets that claim that Ukraine is doing good at the front (overall not some marginal local victory), then we'll see who's cherry picking.
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Back up your words or stop pretending this did not happen and that it is not going to affect Ruzzia.
Any credible source saying that Ukraine is worse-off after this? Because you are pretending to say it is.
You're just repeating the same thing, over and over ad nauseam, totally ignoring what's happening at the front and in the country.
Ukraine gaining ground=UA winning, soon UA will recover their 1991 borders and then go on Moscow. They should continue doing so
Ukraine loosing ground=UA winning, UA just trading 1cm of land for 1billion of dead Russians. What a smart move, they should continue doing so
It's like a broken record, you can't even define what a loss would look like for Ukraine. Or how bad situation must get on the front for you to start doubting the strategy. Spinning whatever happens, happens for the best because here are some pictures of some golfcarts
Let's concentrate on some UA UAVs hitting some "targets up to 1000 kilometres from the front" and totally ignore the fact that Russia has been hitting ANY target it wanted in ALL OF UA, going as far as Poland with Poland even complaining that few Russian missiles crossed into their airspace
Everything is great now and will be even better soon, just keep hanging in there, and send your women and teenagers to the front lines, because you know that's what victory looks like!?!? Just because fighting to the last Ukrainian is a great strategy for US doesn't make it so great for UA
If you know "Ukrainian statistics on population perfectly well", then what's the point of no return? That is, how much population can afford to decline before it won't be able to recover in the same form we know Ukraine now?
Which exact time frame are you asking me to compare UA positions at? Keep in mind that US will approve aid soon, but hasn't yet!
It is the houses special. I am not sure, but I think DaRude here is trying to make it look like getting 60 billion in aid is a bad thing and will not impact the rate of fatalities in the Ruzzian army? I mean... a 155MM shell is 300 US. 60B of shells would be like... 18 million shells? More than all that has been yet used in the war? A whole 6 year shell production of Ruzzia to their most optimistic stats? This is just to give an idea, not realistic, but... I would not want to be on the other side of this gun.
LOL. A small error has crept into your calculations: one 155-mm artillery shell cost $2,000 before the start of the conflict, but now costs $3,600. So the salmon will have to be cut not even in half, but at least 12 times - provided that all the allocated aid goes to artillery shells, which of course is not the case. did you read the bit in which I said is just for comparison? The cost is higher now yes, but do not take for granted that is going to stay - higher prices call for higher production - you know... market economy? still, happy you are not bothered by the aid and do not see anything wrong with it. Ukraine needs supporters like you asking for more. Perhaps it will feel different if they hit UralVagonZavod? It seems it is in rage of some of the latest devices that Ukraine has used.
do not worry, it is going to get pretty real.
It is the houses special. I am not sure, but I think DaRude here is trying to make it look like getting 60 billion in aid is a bad thing and will not impact the rate of fatalities in the Ruzzian army? I mean... a 155MM shell is 300 US. 60B of shells would be like... 18 million shells? More than all that has been yet used in the war? A whole 6 year shell production of Ruzzia to their most optimistic stats? This is just to give an idea, not realistic, but... I would not want to be on the other side of this gun.
LOL. A small error has crept into your calculations: one 155-mm artillery shell cost $2,000 before the start of the conflict, but now costs $3,600. So the salmon will have to be cut not even in half, but at least 12 times - provided that all the allocated aid goes to artillery shells, which of course is not the case. did you read the bit in which I said is just for comparison? The cost is higher now yes, but do not take for granted that is going to stay - higher prices call for higher production - you know... market economy? still, happy you are not bothered by the aid and do not see anything wrong with it. Ukraine needs supporters like you asking for more. Perhaps it will feel different if they hit UralVagonZavod? It seems it is in rage of some of the latest devices that Ukraine has used.
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