Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 12. (Read 73192 times)
Now everything depends on the elections in the United States, I think Putin will not find it enough and he will still get a punch in the face.
When Russia reacts, it will cause devastation to Ukraine, if that's what Russia wants to do. We don't totally know what they want to do.
Read up on imperialism and dump the conspiracy theories, and all will become crystal clear.
Russia is just doing the same thing they've been doing for the last 500 odd years.
Same thing, just the faces change that's all.
^^^ Just remember. Russia doesn't think the same way we do. It took them until 2022 to react to the Ukraine war that Ukraine and the US started in (or before) 2014. When Russia reacts, it will cause devastation to Ukraine, if that's what Russia wants to do. We don't totally know what they want to do.
Iskander wins? C'mon dude, even in such poor quality video it's clearly visible that they missed. There was no direct hit from missile to Patriot. But if Russian propaganda isselling as a win, they can do it.
It's likely that some damage was made, but it doesn't looks that they destroyed it.
It's likely that some damage was made, but it doesn't looks that they destroyed it.
It is largely irrelevant - war is war and material and equipment is lost because that is exactly how is supposed to happen. Regarding Iskander and Patriots, my guess is that is a numbers game, purely a question of statistics. There have been multiple videos of Ruzzian S-300 hit by a variety of missiles, and I guess it is not impossible that a Patriot launcher is hit - as simple as doing it while in transit, etc...
But if you want to brag about the air capabilities of Ruzzia, you may need to start explaining why Ukraine is hitting multi-billion facilities using simply unsophisticated drones. And it has not been a one-off, it has been over and over. If you wait another week, I will probably have another one for you to explain, etc...
Iskander wins? C'mon dude, even in such poor quality video it's clearly visible that they missed. There was no direct hit from missile to Patriot. But if Russian propaganda isselling as a win, they can do it.
It's likely that some damage was made, but it doesn't looks that they destroyed it.
It's likely that some damage was made, but it doesn't looks that they destroyed it.
Don't believe me, read what member of Ukrainian parliament says:
https://web.facebook.com/share/p/r8rzbsqoyXR3vE3C/
"Another damaged "Patriot", and it's not the first one."
Iskander wins? C'mon dude, even in such poor quality video it's clearly visible that they missed. There was no direct hit from missile to Patriot. But if Russian propaganda isselling as a win, they can do it.
It's likely that some damage was made, but it doesn't looks that they destroyed it.
It's likely that some damage was made, but it doesn't looks that they destroyed it.
Even in Poland serious analysts see that Ukraine is finished:
https://myslpolska.info/2024/10/07/rosyjska-letnio-jesienna-operacja-ofensywna/
"The Ukrainian side has essentially exhausted its own reserves and local tactical crises have turned, in accordance with Gerasimov's plan,
into a series of crises of operational significance. Their deepening in the winter period as a result of the planned Russian winter offensive
may lead the Ukrainians to a crisis of strategic significance. The desperate, illogical in terms of military art, adventurous Ukrainian
offensive in the Kursk direction has only worsened the situation of Kiev's troops."
Iskander vs patriot, Iskander wins:
https://t.me/voenacher/72813
https://myslpolska.info/2024/10/07/rosyjska-letnio-jesienna-operacja-ofensywna/
"The Ukrainian side has essentially exhausted its own reserves and local tactical crises have turned, in accordance with Gerasimov's plan,
into a series of crises of operational significance. Their deepening in the winter period as a result of the planned Russian winter offensive
may lead the Ukrainians to a crisis of strategic significance. The desperate, illogical in terms of military art, adventurous Ukrainian
offensive in the Kursk direction has only worsened the situation of Kiev's troops."
Iskander vs patriot, Iskander wins:
https://t.me/voenacher/72813
Do you really want to see what's behind the Ukraine/Russia war? The reason for the video isn't exactly that. But it is included... more than you will find elsewhere.
The video is quite interesting, well laid out, and extremely informative regarding the war and a lot of other things that are going on.
But, it is almost two hours long. Yet, it is possibly the best video on the overview of the reasons behind the war. Add your own knowledge to it - your own knowledge you have gained elsewhere - and be shocked.
DR Lee Merritt and Dr Bryan Ardis - https://www.bitchute.com/video/KDeYswPUyRVc
The video is quite interesting, well laid out, and extremely informative regarding the war and a lot of other things that are going on.
But, it is almost two hours long. Yet, it is possibly the best video on the overview of the reasons behind the war. Add your own knowledge to it - your own knowledge you have gained elsewhere - and be shocked.
DR Lee Merritt and Dr Bryan Ardis - https://www.bitchute.com/video/KDeYswPUyRVc
^^^ Nobody knows exactly what God allows or why. But He does it all for His glory, and for the salvation of as many people as will listen to Him. Americans know this, and Putin, and many Russians... and even many Ukrainians.
The results of the war depend on God's use of perfect ways. Nobody can break any of the laws of physics - they are perfect - but God has allowed people to influence His thinking to some extent. Until you realize such, you will always fail to have a reason why you might be right. Nobody knows what the outcome of this war will be... or the US election results.
Whatever the end results of the war will be, one thing is clear. It is stupid. Many people have been killed for essentially nothing, both Russians and Ukrainians.
Sure, they will die sometime anyway. But they could have been spending some happy time at home with relatives, except that the war got in the way.
Note that the war is almost over. The US and Nato will not be sending much more armament or money or troops to Ukraine. The Deep State is getting too much flack from the people. Ukraine will simply die on the vine without this support. And if Trump gets in, Ukraine will quit a lot faster. But, that's only my opinion.
The results of the war depend on God's use of perfect ways. Nobody can break any of the laws of physics - they are perfect - but God has allowed people to influence His thinking to some extent. Until you realize such, you will always fail to have a reason why you might be right. Nobody knows what the outcome of this war will be... or the US election results.
Whatever the end results of the war will be, one thing is clear. It is stupid. Many people have been killed for essentially nothing, both Russians and Ukrainians.
Sure, they will die sometime anyway. But they could have been spending some happy time at home with relatives, except that the war got in the way.
Note that the war is almost over. The US and Nato will not be sending much more armament or money or troops to Ukraine. The Deep State is getting too much flack from the people. Ukraine will simply die on the vine without this support. And if Trump gets in, Ukraine will quit a lot faster. But, that's only my opinion.
^^^ This is a perfect example of what I am talking about. You just says stuff and off you go.
The war is almost over? Ok... what is almost? Comm'on, stick a date in here.
On the funding and support, most of the news point to the opposite. Not enough to win, but yes to enough to keep Ruzzia de-militarising itself. You can look yourself for the aid in progress, but I know you are not going to - you do not have any need to check what you think versus what actually happens.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
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Data until June 30th 2024
The Ukraine Support Tracker Release 18 now covers up to June 30th 2024. In May and June 2024, new allocations totaled 10.6 billion Euro.
The Ukraine Support Tracker Release 18 now covers up to June 30th 2024. In May and June 2024, new allocations totaled 10.6 billion Euro.
We summed up the results on Coal mining, Russia lost 20 or 30 thousand soldiers, it's terrible, if not more.
^^^ Nobody knows exactly what God allows or why. But He does it all for His glory, and for the salvation of as many people as will listen to Him. Americans know this, and Putin, and many Russians... and even many Ukrainians.
The results of the war depend on God's use of perfect ways. Nobody can break any of the laws of physics - they are perfect - but God has allowed people to influence His thinking to some extent. Until you realize such, you will always fail to have a reason why you might be right. Nobody knows what the outcome of this war will be... or the US election results.
Whatever the end results of the war will be, one thing is clear. It is stupid. Many people have been killed for essentially nothing, both Russians and Ukrainians.
Sure, they will die sometime anyway. But they could have been spending some happy time at home with relatives, except that the war got in the way.
Note that the war is almost over. The US and Nato will not be sending much more armament or money or troops to Ukraine. The Deep State is getting too much flack from the people. Ukraine will simply die on the vine without this support. And if Trump gets in, Ukraine will quit a lot faster. But, that's only my opinion.
The results of the war depend on God's use of perfect ways. Nobody can break any of the laws of physics - they are perfect - but God has allowed people to influence His thinking to some extent. Until you realize such, you will always fail to have a reason why you might be right. Nobody knows what the outcome of this war will be... or the US election results.
Whatever the end results of the war will be, one thing is clear. It is stupid. Many people have been killed for essentially nothing, both Russians and Ukrainians.
Sure, they will die sometime anyway. But they could have been spending some happy time at home with relatives, except that the war got in the way.
Note that the war is almost over. The US and Nato will not be sending much more armament or money or troops to Ukraine. The Deep State is getting too much flack from the people. Ukraine will simply die on the vine without this support. And if Trump gets in, Ukraine will quit a lot faster. But, that's only my opinion.
^^^ It is interesting how a radical Christian and a radical Vatnik can agree that I am are wrong, I must be doing something right. 
It is obvious that both of you do actually have a religion, so that you can skip over all that boring thinking, learning, matching beliefs an reality, proving your assertions... you just have to say stuff...anyone with a keyboard can write stuff. A completely different thing is to provide evidence or reasoning on that you fail consistently.
To stuff that matters, the war does not seem to have a nearby ending. The US does not go all in, or they go all out... this means more destruction. The strategy of allowing Ruzzia to use & loose military and energy assets while taking basically scorched land seems to work perfectly well for the US. Only if someone out there could figure out a way to avoid that... I wonder who could.. mmm no name comes to mind.
It is obvious that both of you do actually have a religion, so that you can skip over all that boring thinking, learning, matching beliefs an reality, proving your assertions... you just have to say stuff...anyone with a keyboard can write stuff. A completely different thing is to provide evidence or reasoning on that you fail consistently.
To stuff that matters, the war does not seem to have a nearby ending. The US does not go all in, or they go all out... this means more destruction. The strategy of allowing Ruzzia to use & loose military and energy assets while taking basically scorched land seems to work perfectly well for the US. Only if someone out there could figure out a way to avoid that... I wonder who could.. mmm no name comes to mind.
You are so mixed up that it isn't worth wasting my time on you. It's your religion, just like it is for most people in the US and Nato.
Well said...he is probably electrocuted each time he tries to think differently
Is this the chair he sits in?
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.b9jVf1tAEVto46yhyyAo1AHaMA%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=a0f45a46bd8866c11c81e75f9345e4a34f21be4f03e8889a1aae7f745318da75&ipo=images
Or is it this one?
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.dNyKEVqgMpCE3eshOVjIAAHaK8%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=7d51ec699bb04ad603abb387e5abcbf15addb9ec8818680d6316d9eb078ac5de&ipo=images
Lol.
You are so mixed up that it isn't worth wasting my time on you. It's your religion, just like it is for most people in the US and Nato.
Well said...he is probably electrocuted each time he tries to think differently
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^^^ Putin doesn't need Trump to transfer Ukraine to him. If he wanted it, he would simply take it. So, what will Trump be doing with Ukraine? He will be stopping the Ukraine aggression before they are all killed. Then Ukraine can take its place as a world trade nation, like it was before the Deep State tried to use it to steal Russia and Siberia from the Russian government.
So your slogan for today is Putin can take Ukraine at any moment he wants and Ukraine is actually the aggressor?
I know that thinking is difficult for you, but you may remember that Ukraine has not invaded Ruzzia (except Kursk and very late in the war). Ruzzia sent tanks that nearly got to Kiev, took Kherson, Mariupol,... Ukraine did not significantly struck inside Ruzzia until when into the war.
What Trump is going to do is sell Ukraine. When that happens, the strategic alliance that has prevented a nuclear conflict during many decades is likely to be damaged beyond repair and will incur in costs. There are a number of consequences to all of it, but what is certain is that Putin may see no reason not to have another war, and another...
dumBAss, you are vouching for endless death. Trump will have the 30 coins (if he manages to win anything of course... or try a coup like last time).
The strategic alliance you talk about is really a-lie-ance. You show it by believing it. It hasn't prevented nuclear conflict. It is only propaganda to make jokers like you believe, so that people like the US and Nato leaders can suck money out of everybody.
Trump will sell Ukraine back to the people of Ukraine. Presently, the people are forced to fight Russia kinda like Islam forces people to become part of their religion. Either you become part of the Ukraine or you die or go to prison. You can see it by the fact that Zelensky has disallowed a presidential election that might oust him, and lose everything the US and Nato gained there.
Hard to do it like this in the US and Britain because of the way they have been set up. But the Deep State is slowly moving in to conquer both these nation in their entirety. To get around the governments, the Deep State has to form an ingrained lie. It's ingrained because it has been around so long that everybody believes it... the nuke lie.
How do we know this is true? Because Russia was forced in a similar way by the US and Britain back at the time of the Bolshevik Revolution - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web. Russia overcame. But the US never stopped its aggression. And they are using the Nato nations to grow, this time by growing Ukraine into a Nato nation.
You are so mixed up that it isn't worth wasting my time on you. It's your religion, just like it is for most people in the US and Nato.
Feodosia, Ruzzian occupied Crimea...
Ukraine chose a government that wanted to take further steps to approach the European Union an the US. Putin could not live with it - it simply gives too many ideas to the rest of the nations under his foot. It is simple as it gets.
No, someone else chose it for them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu6PoBFPthc
Imagine Lavrov or Zakharova giving cookies in front of White House on 6th January if you want analogy
Really Branko? You must have been sleeping... Or maybe it is a side effect of the product they used on you during the brainwashing sessions...
https://www.gmfus.org/news/fact-sheet-what-we-know-about-russias-interference-operations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exposes-attempted-russian-cyber-interference-in-politics-and-democratic-processes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_European_politics#:~:text=Authorities%20in%20Germany%20and%20Czec
All these dumBAss that think they are "in the know" are simply manipulated to the point that they think that all the rest all manipulated except them. It is a masterful work I reckon.
Now on your "videos" and "sources", I am listening to a (let's assume could be real and not made up as your usual "sources") conversation between two US diplomats speaking of their interests in the government of a country. Apart from their poor use of language and swearing, these happen every day, in every government (including ALL governments - including Ruzzia). I can also hear how they say that Ruzzia is trying to "torpedo" the changes - which is nothing new.
Nothing new, no cookies, ... does not prove anything other than what is know: Putin did not want it, the US was in favour. It does not change the facts:
- The government of a country does not change simply with "cookies", it requires much more.
- The government of Ukraine would not be able to survive a general opposition of its citizens, the army and/or the economic powers right the moment it is invaded.
- Ukraine would have never looked elsewhere if Ruzzia had not make several diplomatic mistakes.
You should face it: Putin had been fed the same tales you are telling, the difference is that by now, he has realised that they were simply not true. You are like the chess player that makes a mistakes and argue the opponent took advantage of it.
However, one should wonder why is Trump so eager to transfer Ukraine to Putin. What do you think Branko? Does he prefer Belgian chips or raisins in his cookies?
Its one thing to lobby for something, and completely another to support violent coups. Did Russia support Brexit through violence?
maybe Russians forgot to apologize?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH1K6AJvx_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuRHUvSwj8
Straight answer, yes Ruzzia has supported many violent government changes, but that is not what you claimed, your claim was about bribes and interference.
You are moving the goalposts, and still unable to score so... enlighten us Branko, what type of interference with another country is legit? Spreading false information, microtargeting, bribing, ... is that fine?
The fact is that you are complaining of something Ruzzia has been doing since it exists - since they were the Russ of Kiev basically. Russia played the game, scored some wins like taking a clown to the White house and make the Brits shoot their own foot, ... Now you cry because, in your mind at least, someone did it better?
Yet when if comes to a conversation between two US diplomats among themselves... I don't know... are you waiting for them need to apologize?
So your slogan for today is Putin can take Ukraine at any moment he wants and Ukraine is actually the aggressor?
I know that thinking is difficult for you, but you may remember that Ukraine has not invaded Ruzzia (except Kursk and very late in the war). Ruzzia sent tanks that nearly got to Kiev, took Kherson, Mariupol,... Ukraine did not significantly struck inside Ruzzia until when into the war.
What Trump is going to do is sell Ukraine. When that happens, the strategic alliance that has prevented a nuclear conflict during many decades is likely to be damaged beyond repair and will incur in costs. There are a number of consequences to all of it, but what is certain is that Putin may see no reason not to have another war, and another...
dumBAss, you are vouching for endless death. Trump will have the 30 coins (if he manages to win anything of course... or try a coup like last time).
Ukraine chose a government that wanted to take further steps to approach the European Union an the US. Putin could not live with it - it simply gives too many ideas to the rest of the nations under his foot. It is simple as it gets.
No, someone else chose it for them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu6PoBFPthc
Imagine Lavrov or Zakharova giving cookies in front of White House on 6th January if you want analogy
Really Branko? You must have been sleeping... Or maybe it is a side effect of the product they used on you during the brainwashing sessions...
https://www.gmfus.org/news/fact-sheet-what-we-know-about-russias-interference-operations
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The Russian government waged a well-documented, sustained campaign to weaken the United States, using multiple tools and tactics, damage American democracy and divide American citizens. That campaign continues today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum
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"The Russia Report" published by the Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament in July 2020 did not specifically address the Brexit campaign, but it concluded that Russian interference in UK politics is commonplace
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exposes-attempted-russian-cyber-interference-in-politics-and-democratic-processes
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the KGB’s successor agency, the Federal Security Service (FSB) is behind sustained unsuccessful attempts to interfere in UK political processes
targets include politicians, civil servants, journalists, NGOs and other civil society organisations in response, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office has sanctioned individuals involved in the group’s activity and summoned the Russian Ambassador
targets include politicians, civil servants, journalists, NGOs and other civil society organisations in response, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office has sanctioned individuals involved in the group’s activity and summoned the Russian Ambassador
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_European_politics#:~:text=Authorities%20in%20Germany%20and%20Czec
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Payments to far-right European politicians
Authorities in Germany and Czech Republic determined that Russia used the Voice of Europe organization to provide funds to far-right, Eurosceptic, politicians (mainly in the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, Hungary and Poland) in order to influence European elections in favour of positions against Ukraine and the European Union.
Authorities in Germany and Czech Republic determined that Russia used the Voice of Europe organization to provide funds to far-right, Eurosceptic, politicians (mainly in the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, Hungary and Poland) in order to influence European elections in favour of positions against Ukraine and the European Union.
All these dumBAss that think they are "in the know" are simply manipulated to the point that they think that all the rest all manipulated except them. It is a masterful work I reckon.
Now on your "videos" and "sources", I am listening to a (let's assume could be real and not made up as your usual "sources") conversation between two US diplomats speaking of their interests in the government of a country. Apart from their poor use of language and swearing, these happen every day, in every government (including ALL governments - including Ruzzia). I can also hear how they say that Ruzzia is trying to "torpedo" the changes - which is nothing new.
Nothing new, no cookies, ... does not prove anything other than what is know: Putin did not want it, the US was in favour. It does not change the facts:
- The government of a country does not change simply with "cookies", it requires much more.
- The government of Ukraine would not be able to survive a general opposition of its citizens, the army and/or the economic powers right the moment it is invaded.
- Ukraine would have never looked elsewhere if Ruzzia had not make several diplomatic mistakes.
You should face it: Putin had been fed the same tales you are telling, the difference is that by now, he has realised that they were simply not true. You are like the chess player that makes a mistakes and argue the opponent took advantage of it.
However, one should wonder why is Trump so eager to transfer Ukraine to Putin. What do you think Branko? Does he prefer Belgian chips or raisins in his cookies?
Its one thing to lobby for something, and completely another to support violent coups. Did Russia support Brexit through violence?
maybe Russians forgot to apologize?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH1K6AJvx_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuRHUvSwj8
Straight answer, yes Ruzzia has supported many violent government changes, but that is not what you claimed, your claim was about bribes and interference.
You are moving the goalposts, and still unable to score so... enlighten us Branko, what type of interference with another country is legit? Spreading false information, microtargeting, bribing, ... is that fine?
The fact is that you are complaining of something Ruzzia has been doing since it exists - since they were the Russ of Kiev basically. Russia played the game, scored some wins like taking a clown to the White house and make the Brits shoot their own foot, ... Now you cry because, in your mind at least, someone did it better?
Yet when if comes to a conversation between two US diplomats among themselves... I don't know... are you waiting for them need to apologize?
^^^ Putin doesn't need Trump to transfer Ukraine to him. If he wanted it, he would simply take it. So, what will Trump be doing with Ukraine? He will be stopping the Ukraine aggression before they are all killed. Then Ukraine can take its place as a world trade nation, like it was before the Deep State tried to use it to steal Russia and Siberia from the Russian government.
So your slogan for today is Putin can take Ukraine at any moment he wants and Ukraine is actually the aggressor?
I know that thinking is difficult for you, but you may remember that Ukraine has not invaded Ruzzia (except Kursk and very late in the war). Ruzzia sent tanks that nearly got to Kiev, took Kherson, Mariupol,... Ukraine did not significantly struck inside Ruzzia until when into the war.
What Trump is going to do is sell Ukraine. When that happens, the strategic alliance that has prevented a nuclear conflict during many decades is likely to be damaged beyond repair and will incur in costs. There are a number of consequences to all of it, but what is certain is that Putin may see no reason not to have another war, and another...
dumBAss, you are vouching for endless death. Trump will have the 30 coins (if he manages to win anything of course... or try a coup like last time).
Ukraine chose a government that wanted to take further steps to approach the European Union an the US. Putin could not live with it - it simply gives too many ideas to the rest of the nations under his foot. It is simple as it gets.
No, someone else chose it for them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu6PoBFPthc
Imagine Lavrov or Zakharova giving cookies in front of White House on 6th January if you want analogy
Really Branko? You must have been sleeping... Or maybe it is a side effect of the product they used on you during the brainwashing sessions...
https://www.gmfus.org/news/fact-sheet-what-we-know-about-russias-interference-operations
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The Russian government waged a well-documented, sustained campaign to weaken the United States, using multiple tools and tactics, damage American democracy and divide American citizens. That campaign continues today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum
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"The Russia Report" published by the Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament in July 2020 did not specifically address the Brexit campaign, but it concluded that Russian interference in UK politics is commonplace
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exposes-attempted-russian-cyber-interference-in-politics-and-democratic-processes
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the KGB’s successor agency, the Federal Security Service (FSB) is behind sustained unsuccessful attempts to interfere in UK political processes
targets include politicians, civil servants, journalists, NGOs and other civil society organisations in response, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office has sanctioned individuals involved in the group’s activity and summoned the Russian Ambassador
targets include politicians, civil servants, journalists, NGOs and other civil society organisations in response, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office has sanctioned individuals involved in the group’s activity and summoned the Russian Ambassador
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_European_politics#:~:text=Authorities%20in%20Germany%20and%20Czec
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Payments to far-right European politicians
Authorities in Germany and Czech Republic determined that Russia used the Voice of Europe organization to provide funds to far-right, Eurosceptic, politicians (mainly in the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, Hungary and Poland) in order to influence European elections in favour of positions against Ukraine and the European Union.
Authorities in Germany and Czech Republic determined that Russia used the Voice of Europe organization to provide funds to far-right, Eurosceptic, politicians (mainly in the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, Hungary and Poland) in order to influence European elections in favour of positions against Ukraine and the European Union.
All these dumBAss that think they are "in the know" are simply manipulated to the point that they think that all the rest all manipulated except them. It is a masterful work I reckon.
Now on your "videos" and "sources", I am listening to a (let's assume could be real and not made up as your usual "sources") conversation between two US diplomats speaking of their interests in the government of a country. Apart from their poor use of language and swearing, these happen every day, in every government (including ALL governments - including Ruzzia). I can also hear how they say that Ruzzia is trying to "torpedo" the changes - which is nothing new.
Nothing new, no cookies, ... does not prove anything other than what is know: Putin did not want it, the US was in favour. It does not change the facts:
- The government of a country does not change simply with "cookies", it requires much more.
- The government of Ukraine would not be able to survive a general opposition of its citizens, the army and/or the economic powers right the moment it is invaded.
- Ukraine would have never looked elsewhere if Ruzzia had not make several diplomatic mistakes.
You should face it: Putin had been fed the same tales you are telling, the difference is that by now, he has realised that they were simply not true. You are like the chess player that makes a mistakes and argue the opponent took advantage of it.
However, one should wonder why is Trump so eager to transfer Ukraine to Putin. What do you think Branko? Does he prefer Belgian chips or raisins in his cookies?
Its one thing to lobby for something, and completely another to support violent coups. Did Russia support Brexit through violence?
maybe Russians forgot to apologize?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH1K6AJvx_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuRHUvSwj8
Gentlemen, can Ukrainians lose Toretsk? I heard that the Russians entered it.
However, one should wonder why is Trump so eager to transfer Ukraine to Putin.
Same reason we have a small handful of people on this thread that want a similar thing.1) Fear
2) Gain in some way (such as material gain).
Or a mixture of the two.
Usually hidden under the guise of "wanting peace".
^^^ Putin doesn't need Trump to transfer Ukraine to him. If he wanted it, he would simply take it. So, what will Trump be doing with Ukraine? He will be stopping the Ukraine aggression before they are all killed. Then Ukraine can take its place as a world trade nation, like it was before the Deep State tried to use it to steal Russia and Siberia from the Russian government.
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