Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 19. (Read 77935 times)

Just like Kursk was a "gift"?

https://youtu.be/avt1EJUNuGw

As of now Ruzzia seems unable to re-take Ruzzia. The North Koreans have been sent there but they do not have any better equipment, any better command and their morale will last until they are told they need to sacrifice themselves so that the Ruzzian soldiers can see where the Ukrainian positions are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6JxDvOQx-4

Russia, North Korea, and a Ukrainian conscript in Kursk:

  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TsirpGYDmB8


Edit:  Man, those North Korean dudes are bad-ass!

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/AcckP1tezgTz

Now, that's kinda funny. The thing that BRICS is all about is changing the amount of money NOT used in BRICS. They are the up-and-coming new world currency option. The reason why people and countries will change over to them is that they are more honest than the Western banking systems. It doesn't happen in a day. Consider that even 20 years ago the USD was far weaker than it is today. But, now it is collapsing. BRICS and BRICS nations are helping it to collapse.

You just gotta play around with things other than the war. And, that's understandable. You don't want the people of the forum to know just how much Ukraine and its military are collapsing... just like the USD as the world currency.

Don't get me wrong. The USD is part of the strength of the US, and the West. But it was built on bad and false principles. It has been stealing from Americans and the world for a long time. Presently Americans automatically get benefits from this stealing from the world, because the USD is their currency. But they don't really need this stealing, and neither do the Brits.


Ukrainian Troops Increasingly Refusing Orders, Desertion Rates Explode

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-troops-increasingly-refusing-orders-desertion-rates-explode
The Times of London reported data from the Ukrainian government showing that "51,000 criminal cases were initiated for desertion and abandonment of a military unit between January and September of this year."

El Pais previously noted that 45,000 Ukrainians were being prosecuted for desertion from the start of the year through August. Al-Jazeera says the number is at least 30,000 desertions.

At the start of the year, Kiev was estimated to have between 500,000 and 800,000 active-duty soldiers and an additional 300,000 reservists.

The Ukrainians have also sustained casualties fighting to defend from Russian advances and amid Kiev's Kursk invasion.

Kiev has struggled to fill its ranks with fresh soldiers, leading Ukraine to drop its conscription age from 27 to 25. As Kiev is still facing manpower shortages, American politicians are pushing Ukraine to drop draft age to 18. Responsible Statecraft has reported:

Despite no evidence of victory on the horizon, the Republican senator is urging Ukrainian lawmakers to pass a mobilization bill that would force more Ukrainian citizens to be drafted into the military. Currently, men under 27 are exempted from the draft. Graham has a problem with that.

...Graham told reporters, "I would hope that those eligible to serve in the Ukrainian military would join. I can't believe it's at 27. You're in a fight for your life, so you should be serving — not at 25 or 27."

"We need more people in the line," he said.

Ukraine has also resorted to allowing prisoners to leave jail if they join the military.

One Ukrainian who deserted told the Times that prison was a better option than the military because "at least in prison, you know when you will be able to leave."
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Branko, read your own sources and read the US nuclear doctrine. It has been there forever.



US doctrine is:
- Launch on enemies launch detection.
- Use if other weapons of mass destruction are used (e.g. bioweapons) to a scales that impairs the US to defend itself.
- Use in case the capability to use the nuclear arsenal is under threat (e.g. a Cyberattack on the nuclear response systems)
- Use if a NATO country is under such circumstances.

The latter is the "nuclear umbrella". If missing, Europe would arm to the teeth with nukes.



Please note that the case of using nukes to end a conflict in advantageous terms cannot get any more clear. Just try to be honest for once, Ruzzia is playing with the idea of nuking Ukraine and has said so publicly many times, not to mention the Ruzzian TV insisting over and over on how great idea that is.

Despite, US has said many times that an answer to the use of nukes by Ruzzia would be "devastating" but would use conventional weapons. Quite contained if you ask me.

And no, the US has no problem nuking civilians, but this calls for equivalent limited response. I do not know any country in the world that can use nukes selectively as not to touch civilians. They are what they are and should not be there at all.

An equal partnership LOLLLLLL. 96% of the world transactions happen in coins that are not in the BRICS. Seriously, would you like to get paid in Iran's money   So the first obstacle to all this is that the BRICS money is irrelevant.

The second, well, of the other roughly 4% of transactions, roughly the whole of them are in Remimbi (Chinesse), and 0.2% in Ruzzian Ruble.In my book that is 20 times more to China than Ruzzia So equal my ass   But hey, I am not judging, the Euro is not an equal partnership either, Germany and France simply have more weight.

But it does not matter, the only countries that could be interested are those who need to evade sanctions, which are just a handful. I do not see Brazil accepting you to pay in "BRICScoins" if they can ask for USD.

He means that China is by default the masters of Russia.

There are no masters in BRICS, it is an equal partnership. But if you are interested, it was Russia that initiated its creation. And this year Russia is chairing BRICS, which is why the recent forum was held in Kazan, and why Putin received leaders from other countries as a host, and not the other way around.

How Putin fawns over his masters on the Brics. He tries to please everyone, especially China. I laugh to tears! Lavrov is galloping like a horse there.

As usual, you're trailing the events, or maybe just outright lie...that's not true since at least Obama (although history shows us that USA have
no problems nuking civilians)

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-04/news/biden-policy-allows-first-use-nuclear-weapons

On NATO, adhesion is voluntary. Finland and Sweden were not in NATO until Ruzzia decided to attack Ukraine.

That is pretty much the point. Once nuclear powers start using that power to impose conditions other that for defence, everyone out there is up to getting ready.

Ruzzia got nukes because US got nukes. China got nukes because Ruzzia got nukes. India got nukes because China got nukes. Pakistan got nukes because India got nukes. Israel got nukes because is in the middle of 7 countries that have waged war with them in the past, Iran may get nukes because Israel has nukes and when that happen Saudia Arabia will get nukes....

As the number of countries with nukes grows the likelyhood of a nuclear conflict grows exponentially (short of) in mathematical terms.

The solution is non-proliferation and dis-armament. None of that is going to happen if Ruzzia threatens to use nukes in Ukraine.

I have not seen the US threaten the use of nuclear weapons. Their doctrine has stayed the same for decades and speaks of using nukes only in nukes are used against them or a credible launch of such is detected.


1 - There is obvious proof to the contrary.
2 - Crimea was invaded and then the "referedum" did not count with the minimum guarantees. You ignore the very basics of voting (I am not surprised).
3 - Having nukes creates something called deterrence. It is a well tested theory... we are talking 75 years or so of testing.
4 - They might or they might not. Most of the people who fled decided that their families were more important than their country. It is a choice, but they should not expect to have the same rights of those who fought.
5 - I agree, Putin cannot trust Washington and Washington cannot trust Putin because this is international politics and it is based on incentives not in "friendship". That is the main reason to provide support for Ukraine.

BRICS is based on cooperation and noone is forced to join...unlike USA based organizations




And Iran

^^^ You err in several points, here.

1. If Putin desired Ukraine, Russia is strong enough to simply take it. That's not my idea. That's a thing that a whole lot of 'war' analysts are saying. Even if it does seem obvious on the outside.

2. Crimea annexed itself to Russia, by the vote of the Crimean people. It would have been the same in Ukraine, except for CIA voting interference. You can see this in the fact that Zelensky didn't allow his term to be voted on by the people. He simply cancelled the voting. You can also see it in the fact of the millions who fled Ukraine because they understood the interference.

3. Having nukes doesn't protect anybody from nukes, especially when you give them to a loose cannon like Zelensky.

4. Give guns to the millions of Ukrainians that fled the Ukraine takeover, and they might go back and put the takeover down... like at the time of the Orange Revolution.

5. As we have seen, and as in my previous post, Putin and Russia can't trust the liars in Washington.

How in the world dense are you? All you are saying about yourself is that you are like a lobbyist or propagandist who wants the war to keep on going for whatever reasons. But your reasons certainly are not to keep Ukraine from collapsing at the expense of lives of thousands of Ukraine's men and women fighters, many of which are essentially 'kids'.

I am waiting to hear the results of the BRICS meeting. If Putin is waiting for a massive change or sign of support, I wanna see his face after.


The obvious problem with this is that you would need to believe Ruzzia. Without military protection there is nothing preventing Ruzzia from taking Ukraine -  and they do not need any reason other than getting another area to exploit resources, just like they annexed Crimea.


It is so funny when you speak of ignorance that I just thank myself for ordering an anti-spill keyboard.

No, Zelensky was elected democratically and you are either ignorant (most likely) or simply throwing another unproven shit.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/07/11/ukraine-democracy-wartime-elections-russia-zelensky/



So, not "Zelensky did not cancel the elections" - they would actually be possible if there were no war ongoing.

So, the logic that applies to Texas - You have the right to have a gun to protect yourself from people with guns, applies to Ukraine: It has the right to have nukes to protect itself from people with nukes.

If the US wishes to keep the treaty of non-proliferation, they would need to make sure that nations under threat by a nuclear power are effective protected. That is in essence the concept of non-proliferation: I do not get armed with nukes to the teeth as long as you (nuclear power) do not use your leverage to attack me.

Alternative, you could all not have guns, but I know that is beyond your understanding.

BRICS is what Russia is trying to cling to, as it has few allies and the economy is running out. Slaves are needed, and slaves are the Brics countries.

Russia has expressed in the past that they have only 2 or 3 reasons for their part in the Ukraine war. None of their reasons includes conquering Ukraine. But their reasons DO include keeping Nato out. The question is, how does Russia keep Nato out without conquering Ukraine? Russia, with their latest war successes, is having to examine this first hand, right now.

The answer, of course is, BRICS. BRICS will throw the whole West off balance, and just might destroy Western banking altogether. The thing that average people don't realize about this is, they won't really be hurt much by this happening. And they might gain a lot from it since Western banking steals from them through inflation.

This is precisely the reason why the BRICS nations are trying to build a financial system that eliminates their having to use the Western banking system. If they allow individuals into BRICS, this might be a way for free Western people to invest more successfully.

India & China Sign Border Pact Ahead of BRICS Summit - https://www.infowars.com/posts/india-china-sign-border-pact-ahead-of-brics-summit. Financial Armageddon. Federal Regulators Brace For Massive Bank Failures As Billionaire Investors Dump Banking Stock At Record Levels.

Russia decides to stockpile silver - silver market explodes - primed for more growth - https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/precious-metals/article-823167



Is Russia Finally Acknowledging Reality?

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https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2024/10/20/is-russia-finally-acknowledging-reality/
The knowledge I gained enables me to update my take on the situation, which I will now do.

The Ukrainian invasion of Kursk, which has been defeated, was a game changer and possibly will result in the termination of Ukraine as an independent country.  The reason is that the invasion convinced the Russian public, the General Staff of the Russian military, and buttressed the case of  Russian politicians that an independent Ukraine is inconsistent with Russian security.

Putin still says he is open to negotiations, but only if the other side acknowledges the reality on the ground, which  Zelensky's "Victory Plan" does not do.  Zelensky says only nukes or NATO can save Ukraine.  The Russians will not allow either.

If the Russian Army stops at the Dnieper River, that leaves western Ukraine as a US/NATO missile platform.  Stopping at the Dnieper River leaves Putin no way to de-militarize and de-Nazify Ukraine.  It would limit his declared goals only to preventing the Russian populations attached by Soviet leaders to Ukraine from being slaughtered by anti-Russian Ukrainian forces.

It seems that Putin overlooked that dispelling Ukrainian military forces from Donbas does not de-militarize Ukraine or prevent Ukraine from being a member of NATO.  Putin will have reincorporated former Russian territory back into Russia, but western Ukraine would still be there as a platform for US nukes and from which to trade missile strikes with Russia as Israel and Iran are doing.

The question is whether Putin, who wants peace, will be content with liberating eastern and southern Russian territories of Ukraine, and, if so, whether the Russian public and the General Staff will permit him to leave a Ukrainian state in place or will they see a deal as merely kicking the can down the road.

There is also the question who Putin can negotiate with.  Zelensky's term as president has expired.  On what authority is Zelensky still in charge?  Putin cannot know whether a deal he makes with Zelensky will later be ruled illegitimate.  One would think that Putin has learned from the Minsk Agreement, which was used to deceive him and to leave him unprepared for military action, and all Russian agreements with Washington–such as the promise that NATO will not move one inch to the East –that any agreement with Washington's signature on it is worthless.  So, how is it that Putin speaks of negotiations?  Is Putin delusional and unable to learn from experience?
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So far it's just talks, nothing serious:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/22/south-korea-mulls-aiding-ukraine-evidence-north-korea-involvement-war
We could, we might - as you can see, so far it's just early talks.
And so far we are talking about just few thousands North Korean troops sent to this war, difficult to see it as big deal. And somehow I'm not sure that they're ready and capable to send number of troops that would be really significant, considering tension with South Korea.

I read today that South Korea wants to introduce its soldiers into Ukraine, as well as supply offensive weapons. Naturally, it is necessary for the Northerners to fight back.

You don't want to look at the proof. Why should anybody provide it? You only report on the evidence that you want to see. You know how to do all the research in the world... if you were really interested.

Why in the world are you so in favor of Ukraine? Got your wife or girlfriend from there? Or getting paid as a lobbyist-like joker?

And I still waiting for you to provide any proof of what you say. You do not have numbers -mostly because there are no public numbers on Kursk, so whatever you say is just wishful thinking.

However the fact that there were numerous Ruzzian conscripts exchanged for Ukrainian POW thanks to the operation is clear. The fact that sections of the front in Belgorod became inactive and some attacks in the East had to stop is there. All easy to check... meanwhile sure.. keep throwing names and ideology... useless.

I'm still waiting for Crimea to be 'liberated' by Zelenski and his Zionazi legion.  Wasn't that promised to have occurred by the start of 2024?  Or was it that 2023?  I forget.

Ukraine had some stuff developed by the Soviets when the USSR was around.  Looks like the actual knowledge and skill which was responsible for what the Soviets did achieve in their time mainly flowed mostly North to South.