Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 11. (Read 78876 times)

Surrender isn't an option. If you think that capitualtion of Ukraine will bring peace, you're very naive. Yeah, maybe for few years there will be peace. But most likely that it will be only matter of time until Russia will decide to take another part of Ukraine (or maybe whole) as they know that nobody will stop them.
At this moment it looks that most likely that war will end with some kind of peace negotiations. But at this moment nothing will not change until January when Trump will take his cabinet in White House.

To go out of this situation is simple. It is basically for the Ukraine government to surrender and sheath their swords and allow peace to reign. The Zelensky led government is an agent of the US and are there to understand too. . I know it is achievable for the coubtbut difficult for the Ukrainian government because of the politics around this country. The coming of NATO to the Ukrainian government was the major issue affecting the citizens.

Ideas from people that know more than you? Well, that would be 90% of the world.

The problem is that by not knowing, you are also giving credit to the wrong people. You are giving credit to people who are saying that Ukraine attacked Ruzzia or that the Ruzzian economy is not going down the drain due the price of oil plummeting to 70 $/barrel and the OPEC desperately facing a loss of power now that the US is a massive producer.

Nobody is censoring your content, and believe me, you are one of the people here who deserve it the most. Not because of the ideas which are mostly half-baked, or for whatever you say, but for the perpetual promotional use of the forum by walltexting and interfereing with normal discussions.

What is interesting about the things you say is, they are based on ideas that I am saying something on my own. I continually show things to you that back up what I say, because the things that I say come form other people who know way more than I do.

Mostly, what you say seems to be talk that wants to censor content, my content... just like the big news outlets. Rather than admit that there is truth in what others say, you would cover it up if it isn't what you like. Standard actions of somebody who is failing in his ideals.

So, it's okay that you keep blabbing like you do. You are supporting what I say that way, and reducing your own credibility (Do you even have any credibility left?).

Btw, I do know that nukes are being controlled by aliens, so that war will never go beyond just a certain point. Did you know that? It's been in the news here and there.

The Russians want to get this war over.


2,000 North Korean Troops Led by 3 Generals Join Russians Against Ukraine - Intel

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https://www.kyivpost.com/post/43184?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=KyivPost/magazine/Kyiv+Post+Latest+News
Two thousand North Korean soldiers have joined Russian units, being deployed with a Marine Brigade and an Airborne Division to actively engage in combat, with another 9,000 more in reserve.

Andriy Chernyak, a representative of Ukraine's Defense Intelligence (HUR), told Radio Svoboda that while these forces are likely not on the front lines, they still contribute to the aggression against Ukraine, assisting in the killing of Ukrainian soldiers.

"Perhaps they are not on the front line. Perhaps they are not on the advanced positions, but they still contribute to the aggression against Ukraine and the killing of Ukrainian service members," Chernyak said.
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BA, it is perfectly OK not to know, that is not entirely your fault - particularly if you are a victim of the Texas educational system as it might be the case.

What is up to you and completely wrong is to come here pretending to enlighten others when you do not know even the very basics of the origing of Ukraine, why they gave away the nukes they had after the collapse of the USSR and how this affects the current situation and any possible future agreement. Once you understand that, come back to the thread, apologise for your previous ineptitude and egocentrism and have some degree of productive dialogue if you still want to.

The issue is that any future deal will not be based on mutual trust and cooperation. It is evident that international treaties with Ruzzia do not work - it is a question of mindset really, Ruzzia believes that only the other part has to follow through and it has to be under Ruzzia's interpretation without any question and usually under threat.

Things are very bad for Ukraine, let's admit how things really are. How to get out of the situation?

You finally figured out that people don't know everything individually. But there is much better strength when there are a bunch of people telling their side of the story. Or did you know that already?

Again, it is the US that is trying to get a good paycheck out of Russia. And it's the US that has been doing all the kinds of things, on a far greater scale than Russia, that you are talking about.

Watch the video of the collapse of Ukraine at the site.


Visualizing Ukraine's Collapsing Front Lines Amid The Steady Russian Onslaught

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/visualizing-ukraines-collapsing-front-lines-amid-steady-russian-onslaught
As we detailed earlier, the White House is currently overseeing a 'massive surge' in arms to Ukraine with just 50 days left before President-elect Trump enters office. The US is also this week announcing $725 million in more aid, which is the latest defense package for Ukraine drawn directly from US inventories.

It will include a second shipment of antipersonnel mines, and comes the same day that Germany also unveiled another $680 million in Ukraine aid. The Western allies have asserted that they want to see Zelensky and Ukraine forces in as favorable a position as possible before negotiations to end the war inevitably proceed (something which Trump has repeatedly promised from day one of his second administration). But the prime question remains: what good will the rapid infusion of more weapons do when the real problem is Ukraine's collapsing manpower? To illustrate the reality of Russia's rapid advance of the past several months...

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🇷🇺 The Liberation of Donbass.

This map clearly illustrates the rapid advancements of the Russian Armed Forces this fall, as cities and villages in the DPR are being liberated one after another.

Above all, it’s simply remarkable. Show more
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BA, that is one of the many things you don't know and one of the many reasons why you should listen to people who do instead of giving lessons, headless chicken.

Nobody wants a repetiton of Budapest more than Ruzzia, and it is not to remain calm and peaceful in the nearby future. You say you are pro-peace, but all you speak of is making sure that Ruzzia gets a good pay-day for their military invasion.

I don't know what Russia did and didn't do regarding the things you say, but there is one important thing in all this. It's their part of the world. Get the US policeman out of it. Why? Because the US is just as bad or worse with its thieving banking system that is trying to take over the whole world.



EDIT: Besides, when you turn my post into 'butt farts butt farts', you invoke the carbon tax on yourself.

You are russian troll and pidor

Russia broke the Budapest memorandum. Russia intervened and orchestrated the Donbass separatist movement. Russia annexed Crimea. There is so much they did that only long-term peace possible is to completely defeat moscals at the battlefield.

Me interpret what you say? You can't even READ what I say. But others might see this and benefit from it.

Russia was simply putting down the war that Ukraine started in 2014. If Ukraine had gone easily way back at the beginning, there would have been no further need for a Russian movement.

Russia absolutely isn't invading. The Dnipro thing was simply an updated response to Ukraine's further incursions. If Russia were invading, this type of response would have been an attack long ago. Ukraine would be gone, and Nato would be facing the full fury of Russian armament.

I don't have to ask how dense you can be. You show it without my asking.

Are we having fun, yet?

dumBAss, do not try to "interpret" my words. You would need three times the brain you have and three lives to understand even a bit of my thought.

Ruzzia is not "fighting back", Ruzzia is invading Ukraine. Once Ruzzia leaves Ukraine, there is no more need to fight and Ruzzia can go back to cleptocracy and all that.

What is dangerous thinking is, again if you need it repeated 100 times, to give to Ruzzia whatever Putin wants "because they have nukes". Next comes Poland - "because they have nukes", the Lithuania "because they have nukes", then ... perhaps Alaska ... "because they have nukes".

I hope this is simple enough for your microencefalic condition to understand.

That's dangerous thinking. We don't know for a fact that Russia won't do this or that. When you lie long enough to a country, like the US has lied to and broken treaties with Russia, no matter what the results might be, Russia has only two choices:
1. Fight back;
2. Die as a country.

Will they make the choice of a cornered rat and fight? Or will it be more like a mouse that is being played with by a cat and is eaten? Note that there are a lot of countries around the world that are on the side of Russia rather than the West.

However. Thank you for finally realizing that Ukraine has nothing left... that their total, future existence depends on others rather than themselves, that Zelensky has finally been shown to be a total blowhard.

Ruzzia has not proven anything. The fact that they have MIRV capable rockets is well know since many decades ago. But destroy is not take. Destroy brings on you unlimited international fallback and possibly a full blown US intervention or even direct attack. Using nukes is likely to generate radion in Ukraine but also in Ruzzia itself and potentially towards NATO countries, in which case... Ruzzia would be at war with NATO. This is one of many reasons why Putin is not using these weapons.

So no... Ruzzia cannot do what they would like to.

Russia has demonstrated that they can turn Ukraine to dust any time they want with their missile attack on Dnipro... and all of Europe at the same time. All they need is to get triggered the right way. And Trump is even proposing that rather than moving out of Ukraine, the US moves IN... to keep the peace, of course.

What else do we need to turn this war into WW3?


WW3 fears explode as Vladimir Putin threatens to turn Kyiv 'into dust' in new grim threat

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1982318/ww3-fears-russia-ukraine-war-latest-vladimir-putin
Putin has warned he'll unleash the Oreshnik hypersonic missile on the Ukrainian capital if UK and US long-range missiles are fired on Russia again.

The Russian President has issued another stark warning to Ukraine, promising that if President Zelensky sanctions the use of more US and UK-built long-range missiles, the Kremlin will retaliate.

Vladimir Putin has threatened Kyiv with Oreshnik missile strikes if Ukraine uses its new rockets on Russian targets again.
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In the last three days we have seen Ukraine shoot stormshadows or the like to several facilities. The strategy of raising the cost of being at war, while not directly attacking civilian objectives sound like a decen plan to show Ruzzia that they also have something to loose by continuing the war. The latests or so... on bunker on which North Korean commanders were identified to be, an oil depot and a large weapons depot.

Ruzzia, thanks to ATACAMS, needs to spread more the depots and have their planes farther away from the front.

BTW... apparently the Ruzzian backed Al-Asad forces are experimenting... let's call it some "setback" in Aleppo. Ruzzia may have to diver some forces or loose Siria.

Putin's whole idea was to stop the war that the US/Ukraine started in 2014. The results are that basically it worked, even though it cost way more lives than Putin wanted to happen.

Putin's next step will be a formal WW3 if the US doesn't stop pushing for war. Such might destroy a good portion of the world, but Putin almost has no other choice. Well he DOES have another choice. Let Russia be conquered by the US, a thing that the US has been trying to do ever since, and with, the Bolshevik Revolution back in 1917. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web


Ukrainians And Americans Are Done With This War, But It Keeps Escalating Anyway

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https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/11/no_author/ukrainians-and-americans-are-done-with-this-war-but-it-keeps-escalating-anyway/
The IDF dramatically increased its bombing campaign in Lebanon on Tuesday in the hours preceding an expected ceasefire with Hezbollah.

Israel always does this, and it's so gross. Normal people get a ceasefire agreement and think "Good, this means we can finally stop fighting." Israel gets a ceasefire agreement and goes, "This means we have to hurry up and kill as many people as possible before it takes effect."

The Biden administration is now pushing Ukraine to lower its minimum draft age from 25 to 18 in order to provide more cannon fodder for the war against Russia.

Polls say that both Ukrainians and Americans want this US proxy war to end, but instead of ending it Washington is pressuring Kyiv to throw teenagers into the threshing machine of an unwinnable conflict.

And we were told this war was all about protecting democracy.

Russia keeps getting hit by Ukraine with US-supplied long-range missiles and is now saying that "retaliatory actions are being prepared." This happens as Trump appoints virulent Russia hawk Keith Kellogg as his envoy to the conflict, adding further weight to my concerns that these soaring tensions may continue to escalate after Trump gets into office.

I'll say right now that if all this insane brinkmanship results in Russia hitting Ukraine with a tactical nuke or something I'll be a lot more enraged at the western power structure I live under for giving rise to that horror than I'll be at Vladimir Putin.

Don't side with the powerful. Don't side with Israel against the Palestinians. Don't side with the US empire against any nation it targets. Don't side with cops against their victims. Don't side with billionaires and politicians against the people. Don't side with the powerful.

Every four years Americans get to choose between the Republican Party and the party that consistently leaves them so disgusted that they then vote for the Republican Party.
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Do you think Putin will mobilize a new one?

You are basically right. When Russia decides to use their nukes, they will.

Not at all. There was no threat to Ruzzia in the sense that would make clear that the treaty had been broken. You mentioned the Cuba missiles crisis right? Now, having ballistic missiles a couple of hundred miles of the cost of Florida - that is threatening. Having nothing, since there was nothing in Ukraine other than the Ukrainian army which was not a threat to Ruzzia.

You may anyway need some proof that whoever in the US was doing something else than diplomacy - no different from the Ruzzian diplomacy - if you are going to permanently refer to it.


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