Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 11. (Read 73192 times)

If you believe in your own death, why not simply commit suicide and get it over with?

If you believe the West is really going to support you, why didn't you get your big weapons from them before you started the war in 2014?

If you think that Russia is going to kill you if you surrender, where is your evidence of such?

Russia has backed away many times in this war to keep from harming civilians. If they start harming them now, it's because they are angry at Ukrainian stupid aggression which just doesn't seem to want to stop.

If Ukrainians gave in to Russian demands at the peace table - which demands don't include conquering all of Ukraine - the war would be over, and people would live. Russia is going to win this thing anyway. Does Ukraine really want to die?

I agree that you have your choice. I wouldn't force you to keep from killing yourself if you really wanted to do it. And I agree that Ukraine has that choice as well. But they don't make any sense to die for nothing, and lose it all. Dying for pride is dying for stupidity. Surrender and live.

Because it's better to die fighting for what you believe in, with honour and courage, than surrendering and dying in some Russian holocaust style gas/torture chamber hell.

If they surrender they are dead men/woman/children walking anyway, the logical option is to fight.

^^^ You almost sound like you are talking semantics. Meanwhile, Russia moves ahead without a bunch of talk. Why doesn't Ukraine just surrender and live? We know why. Her West controllers want her destroyed along with Russia.

A caption from a picture in the below article: "In this photo taken from video released by the Russian Defense Ministry Press Service on Tuesday, June 25, 2024, Russian soldiers fire the 152-mm howitzer "Msta-B" in an undisclosed location in Ukraine. (Russian Defense Ministry Press Service via AP)"


Ukraine is in serious trouble: The Russians have the initiative, settlements are falling one after the other

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https://rmx.news/article/ukraine-is-in-serious-trouble-the-russians-have-the-initiative-settlements-are-falling-one-after-the-other/
Settlements and villages continue to fall to Russian forces along various sectors of the eastern front

Russian forces are advancing across the Donbas in various directions and successfully occupying villages and settlements, reports Hungarian financial news outlet Portfolio.

Citing reports from Reuters, Ukrainian military bloggers and other sources, the paper notes that two settlements, both north and south of the city of Kurakhove have fallen, Zolotya Niva and Zorjane Perse.

Although Ukraine’s General Staff has not confirmed the loss of the villages, it admitted that the sector around Kurakhove “was the site of the heaviest clashes on the eastern front.”

In recent days, Ukrainian forces have been forced to retreat in other areas as well, with last week serving as a special blow to Kyiv with the fall of Ugledar (Vuhledar) after Ukrainian forces previously successfully defended the city for two years. The city, which is strategically important, was labeled a “fortress” by its previous defenders due to its massive tower blocks that rose up from the surrounding plains.
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No, you have said that Ruzzia has a large number of soldiers and NATO should be concerned with it. It is actually YOU who have implied that Putin could make that choice. Seriously, you need have some coherent though to take decissions.

Either Ruzzia is ready to fight NATO, in which case is better to support Ukraine than having to support Poland, Germany and Findland

OR

You think Ruzzia is not ready to fight NATO, in which case it is OK to let Ukraine progress towards a western style democracy - thus needs support.

And again, if you say NATO should be afraid or Ruzzia, you would need to compare the relative size of the economies, resources, people, technology and war material available to both sides - hint: NATO wins, like 5 times over. NATO could even take China and Ruzzia together.

The rest of you post is, once again, vague statements with no proof. You should revise the definition of "blabber" or understand that saying that the other guy is doing something is not a really cunning way of covering you doing it.

Yes we could, but you should to check first who attacked whom in war against Georgia, then you could
check how many civilians died, then maybe even check why Georgia keeps American bitch Saakashvili in prison

Also check why Israel/USA proxy ISIS tried to topple Assad, and why Syria called Russia to help, and not USA

So, you are suggesting that Russia should desire war with Nato? Nobody wants war except the few who profit off it. Is that why you are in favor war? A warmonger profiteer?

Putin doesn't want war with Nato - might be one of his biggest fears, just like a whole bunch of the rest of us - because the result would be possibly the destruction of whole earth. So, why is the West pushing for war as hard as they are? Just to steal the property of Russia and Siberia? Don't you realize that war with Russia will destroy you... at least your lifestyle?

Give Ukraine to Putin so that he can rebuild her, since the war is almost over, especially since nobody would do it better, and the West wouldn't be inclined to do it at all. You keep talking like you are in favor of Ukraine, yet you keep wanting her to be destroyed all the way... like a radioactive wasteland that nobody can inhabit or even desire.

Anybody can attack Nato, even one Nato country attacking another. It happened all over the place in WW2. It can happen again. Consider how Hungary doesn't want to play the Nato game against Ukraine. And some of the other Nato countries are thinking along these lines, too.


You blabber this way and that. Is the spittle running out of the corners of your mouth, yet... down your chin, into your beard?

Seriously dumBAss, you calling silly is like Trump calling liar.

So your argument is that Ruzzia has many soldiers in reserve??? You obviously have not compared the numbers of soldiers between NATO and Ruzzia, but certainly are not looking at the level of production, economic power and equipment. Again, the last thing Ruzzia wants is for NATO to be involved - that is Putins biggest fear and likely to end his regime if ever happens.

However, even the idea does not make sense... on one side you say that Putin can attack NATO, but on the other side you say that it is ok to give him Ukraine. If what you say is true (which is not really), there is a practical need of having Ukraine between Ruzzia and Central Europe.



If you want to whattabout... we could use Georgia? Syria?

When you combine all the Internet websites that show the number of deaths and injured in this war, it's over a million.

Russian aggression is at the forefront because the media doesn't show how sneaky the West has been in promoting the aggression FIRST.

If the US had not started the war in 2014 by pressuring Ukraine to do it, and if they had not funded the war throughout this whole time, there would be over a million troops that would not be troops, and could be at home for joy in this coming Christmas.

Yet, true...and, can you suggest better method than comparison with other wars?

Strawman argument + whataboutism.

Ukrainian partisans are doing their thing - Another TCC minibus gets burned by Ukrainian partisans in Dnipropetrovsk.
 Overall 266 vehicles have been burned according to the Ukrainian prosecutor's office.

https://t.me/voenacher/72840

'What the hell you wanna go fuck around with that Kursk region for?'

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4r9jLXvnKk



The reason I continue to favor (very strongly) the Russians is that while they took off the ridiculously soft kid-gloves a while ago, they continue to demonstrate a high degree of military professionalism in the overall conduct of this thing.  I have seen credible evidence of isolated war crimes by Russian forces on the battlefield.  The question is, how are these handled within the military?  I lack the visibility to know, and have no contacts who would.

Maybe the individual Russian soldiers who commit war crimes on the ground, or officers who do targeting in a criminal manner, are given honorable discharges and turned loose among the Russian people...like SPC Green https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings was from the U.S. military?  I cannot rule it out, but my current perception of Putin's military leads me to believe that it isn't the standard operating procedure.

Russia is currently fighting in regions of Ukraine where the population supports them fairly strongly.  That's probably part of the reason why they are mopping the floor with the ZioNazis...and, unfortunately, their hapless conscripts as well.  I would not expect the professionalism displayed by the Russians to persist when the front-lines move across the Dnieper.

Actually, no USA war had "better" killed soldier/civilian ratio...or just look at Israel,
Both USA and Israel are "collateral damage" champs, totally not caring about dead civilians
Considering amount of munition fired, Ukraine war is one of cleanest, despite whole
western media attempts to prove otherwise

Well, she said not much different thing that I posted - damaged Patriot. There is no talk about critical damaged. But in general, I wouldn't call Bezuhla as reliable source - she is spreading so much bullshit that sometimes looks that she works in favour of Russia.

Yup, war is war, such things happens. But I was talking just about this specific case, where Brank tried to sell it as Iskander win.

What makes you to think so?

Shortmaster, OP of Biggest weakness of Russian military and people that's not told but true seems to disagree with you, as does the evidence of Russia voluntarily pulling Kiev and Kharkiv so that the civilians wouldn't be hurt.

Problem is those "troops" are only good at killing unarmed civilians. A++++ star grade for that. Top of excellence. The crème de la crème. Pride of Russia.

However, when challenged against a real army, with weapons, the wheels quickly fall off.

As usual, you talk so silly. You think that Russia's only way to move in a war is with nukes. But they still have a million reserve troops, all ready and waiting for Nato to make a wrong move.

Meanwhile, Ukraine is almost totally out of troops.

What's new there guys? Are the Russians stopped? I'm not really watching.

^^^ objection Your Honour, the poster above has long been proven not to think at all.

Ruzzia does not think. Putin & the FSB do the thinking, the Army does the killing and the rest look to each other's shoes and try to ignore they are there. There is no mystery about how the FSB thinks - it is the KGB working a new patron.

 The only thing left for Ruzzia is nuclear escalation. They have asked their allies for weapons, including ballistic missiles, shells, components and anything else you can think of. They have bombed cities, hospitals and then the power infrastructure. They have blown dams, mass graved civilians, deported minors...

There is no more other than nukes, and that leads to the fall of Putin, hence...we are where we are. There is no secret wonder to be pulled out of Putin's hat.

If you do not agree, show that you actually know what you talk about. How can Ruzzia cause a significantly larger damage without risking Putin's fall? If you do not have an answer... time to start doing some thinking of your own.

Russian troops have slowed down a lot, resources are scarce, as well as equipment. They'll be up by winter, I'm sure.