Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 203. (Read 77449 times)

Ukrainians are very glad they're not in Russia and they would like that to be the case going forward. Unfortunately the totally democratically elected Putin is bringing the freedom of getting tortured and killed to Ukraine. Can you tell him - since you seem to have a direct line to Kremlin - that if he fucks off now and goes back to rigging elections and killing journalists in Russia then he might hold on to power until he croaks. Thanks.

The news is probably not real, I am not even sure this is not ironic? However Putin is quite old, he has started this war because he is got maybe 5 to 10 years of good health and "good thinking" left and has decided that he wants a page on the history books. Yes, he will probably defecate on himself in a few years, after having defecated virtually over the thousands of people. Sad history page it will be.

Statement by NATO Foreign Ministers (Nov 2022)
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_209531.htm


Bucharest Summit Declaration (2008)
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_8443.htm


In other news, tabloids are reporting that Putin fell down the stairs and shit his pants.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11494595/Vladimir-Putin-fell-stairs-home-soiled-himself.html

They always find the best pictures to use.

So you don't remember. Were you even born back then?
This is the reason why Russia broke the Soviet Union up... an agreement that Nato wouldn't push further into former Soviet countries. Since then Russia has been focusing on fair and free trade with other nations. But the US has broken the agreement by extending Nato.

If you think that Russia doesn't have basic human rights, all you need to do is search Youtube for all the Russian videos that show the freedom they have.

They even have democracy among their leaders. They elect a person to be in power, and so far Putin has been successful in being what the majority wants. All governments are at least slightly different in their election methods. If you don't like their methods, be glad you aren't in Russia.

You are intentionally forgetting about the US/CIA coups done in Ukraine since 2014, that pushed US puppets into government control to make war on Russia. Russia's response was the invasion, to protect both Russian and Ukrainian people who were being mistreated by the Ukrainian puppet government.

Do you realize that the US and Nato countries have pumped nearly $100 billion into Ukraine for the war?... some in cash, and some in military machinery. It's being misused by Zelensky and the Ukrainian military... some of it being tucked away around the world for their future use if they don't conquer Russia (which they pretty well know by this time that they won't be able to do), and much of it being laundered back into the pockets of US government people.

Seems to me that you are missing a whole lot of what is really going on.

You gotta be kidding, there are no deals with russia worth making now. You know, against the country who invades, destroys and rapes.
The whole point of Russia's governrment at the moment is having war against everyone, not just by military but with spreading misinformation and literal FUD.
They don't have basic human rights or democracy so they want to believe no one else has those ideals either so they believe it's all a scam against them, so they continue to sabotage everything that even remotely seems humanitarian ideology. That country seems to be beyond recovery and sadly even new leadership probably wouldn't remove the corruption inside it for decades because that's so deeply rooted.

USA should step up and activate Operation Gladio and install fascist governments
that them and UK are preparing since WW2 for situations like this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

Are you sure about Georgia? As far as Ukraine is concerned, yes, the request has to be examined and above all NATO must make sure that it can effectively defend any new member from aggression, as it cannot afford to loose reputation in the even it cannot be done. Now, that is not such an easy task when you have a barbaric neighbour throwing trash in your garden. The defensive systems needed go well beyond the rapid intervention force.

The point about Nato countries welcoming other countries into Nato is, if the US wants to be honest, and uphold their agreement with Russia to not advance Nato, they have to veto other countries coming into Nato. But it seems so far that the US is constantly breaking their contracts with other nations. So, they probably won't veto this action... that is if it isn't just all talk in the first place.

NATO (including Finland and Sweden) just reaffirmed their intent to welcome Georgia and Ukraine into the alliance.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_209531.htm

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Don't expect a good faith argument from him...he seems especially stubborn and clueless about how the global economy works.

When the bank treats it as money by depositing it, and when their ledger shows that they did, and since their pamphlets (from the Federal Reserve Bank) say that they have created new money with it, it is money. The loan is prepaid by the borrower, and shouldn't have to be repaid a second time over the years.

As far as needing a new thread, certainly we can stop talking about it in this thread. But think of how much money the banks have raked in over the years by collecting on the loan twice. And when interest is included, and when property is foreclosed on, and when the promissory notes are sold on the market, just think of the money going to the families who own the FED, to control the supporting of the Ukraine to fight with Russia... and all kinds of other things around the world.



EDIT: Besides, there already is a thread about this - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60995801.

This requires another thread, anyway.

What you call paperwork is the recognition of a debt, with is accounted as an asset for the bank - because it is. Not exactly like a money order and is not registered in the same accounting concept but I get your point as both are the recognition of someone owing money to the bank.

The recognition of a debt is not and cannot be treated a "money" and is not. You can potentially sell it for "money" (cash) or get a credit using it as collateral, but that is it. You cannot create cash with the "paperwork" just like that, only with cash reserves deposited in the Federal Reserve or, in other jurisdictions, in Central Banks AFAIK.

On the fractional system, yes, it is a way of creating money, it is well known and a tool for monetary policy (and a grip that the Government has on banks in many jurisdictions).

I think this is only vaguely related to Ukraine.

I understand how you can be so easily duped by the banking system. Not all banking systems are the same. Just like the US is fighting Russia through the Ukraine.

But here is the point that answers it about US and Euro bank loans. When the banker gets the signed loan paperwork from the borrower, he deposits this paperwork in an account, just like it was a check or money order. In the same way that a check or money order is money, the loan paperwork is money as well. Then the banker withdraws the money and gives it to the borrower in the form of cash or a bank check.

An even trade. Borrower money to the banker in trade for banker money to the borrower. How do we know this to be true? The bank ledger shows the entries. Loan paperwork money in, and cash or bank check out.

The bank and the borrower created new money together. Most borrowers don't know this. That's why they pay the loan off the second time over the next 10 to 30 years.

If you don't want to believe it, just say so. But if you are seriously interest, study up on what Tom Schauf has to say, and why he is qualified to say it.

The fractional system is simply another system that banks are allowed to use by government to make more money. The families that own the banking system use both methods to get money to help pay for wars that they use to get even more money... like this Ukraine one.

You seem seriously confused about what the fractional system is. You mean you get "fake" money and pay with "real money" or something like that? I would say you need to open a thread in the Economy section.

Other than that, opt-out. It is easier than ever to get out of the fractional system and into a real-no-multiplier money with bitcoin and others. Now, believe that if you are actually borrowing rather than lending, is much much worse.

Wrong! Of course, if BADeckerville happened to be a legal lending institution like a bank in the US, then you are right right. I mean, checks are treated as money. All those little pieces of paper on the floor of the stock exchanges are treated as money at some time in their life. The banks have been given legal permission to treat promissory notes as money... in fact, as newly created money.

The problem is that they are harming the borrowers when they require them to pay the loan off twice. But since the borrower doesn't realize what is going on, there isn't a whole lot he can say.

Search on "Tom Schauf, bank freedom."

In addition, the second payoff money is what the US and the wealthy use to direct US funds and armament to Ukraine. So, the common people are supporting the war without even realizing it, or realizing how.

BADeckerville is an interesting place.  So if you loan me 100 BADecker Bucks today that you created out of thin air and offer without interest, and in 1 year I settle the loan by paying you 100 BADecker Bucks, I've actually repaid you twice (at least!), although I only remember paying you back once....

Okay. Interest. But the thing that I was saying is, that even if there is ZERO interest, the borrower is still paying back the loan at least 2 times.

This makes the interest to be a little thing. Let me say it again, If there is zero interest, the borrower is still repaying the loan twice.

To my way of thinking, this is more important than interest, right? Especially if there isn't any interest, because the interest rate is set to zero, right?

Yet still there is demand for the USD and the EUR worldwide. It would seem that despite the lousy and sometimes irresponsible policies followed by the currency issuers, there is still a dominance. Anyway, it is fine, nearly anyone can opt-out, just buy gold or bitcoin or Picassos and do not hodl USD. Why do you complain?

Now, the guy was talking about lending with interest. My point is that it has not been much interest charged in the last couple of decades.

Not off-topic at all! Here's why. The Ukraine gifts from the US and Europe are paid for by the people of those countries in a very clever way. So, it's all on-topic regarding the way the people pay Ukraine. Here's how it works.

In countries where loans come from the US banking system, or the Euro banking system, the loans aren't really loans. Why not? Because the banks use the promissory notes for the loans as money. Promissory-note/money-in, cash/bank-check/money-out to the so-called borrower. Simply a creation of new money by the borrower and the bank. But only the bank knows it (most of the time).

Then when the people or the government pay the loans back over a period of so many years, they are attempting to pay the loan off the second time. The bank keeps the second payoff and sends it to the elites who are trying to run the world. And these folks are seeing to it that Ukraine gets a whole bunch of that money.

Right on-topic.

Besides, if banks charged negative interest on the loans, they wouldn't be hurt at all. Why not? They were prepaid the money they used to make the loans. They were prepaid this money in the form of the promissory notes.

Your argument in essence is: since it is not perfect, it is not better. That is false logic.

There are a few obvious things you are passing over also:

- You do have at least some choice, as opposed to having to live with the guy (like Adolf Putin, forcing people to fight) forever. Even in cases where there are only two candidates, this creates an incentive to no crap over the people excessively.
- The candidates in many countries pass primary elections, so you effective have a much wider choice that it looks.
- You are probably thinking only US - there are many other countries with representative regimes. Extreme cases like Italy have coalitions of 5 parties and the like, at least 3 new parties - with elected representatives - are new in Spain, the US does have more than two candidates (I still remember Ross Perot), France does have at least 3 relevant parties,... Bottomline, democracies are more fluid than they look.

Now, you say that Democracies are not free because they are subject to constrains and influences. Well, that is the same for any government.



[OFF-TOPIC] all of it.

You are aware that interest rates in EU and US have been nearly 0, even negative in some countries?

This simple and enjoyable cartoon, which I watched well before Bitcoin was born, ultimately made me a LOT of money.  I tell my friends all the time that if one just takes the time to learn what 'money' actually is these days, it is kind of difficult NOT to be wealthy.

   Money As Debt - Paul Grignon
   https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZHMCDYB3xzjT/

Equally important, upon learning what money is, decent people will often avoid lending at interest.  While the lender may (or may not) end up doing a little worse financially, the debtor will have a huge advantage.  Often enough the two parties share a common future.  I was watching a speech of some Jewish Rabbi the other day and he claimed that the economic miracle which occurred in pre-WW2 Germany was attributable almost exclusively to the government's policies deprecating usury.

I'm not saying the dude is right, and I don't even know if he's a real Rabbi or some neo-nazi playing one or whatever, but it's worth contemplating:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/dOhCYij6T7Ai/