Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 206. (Read 73721 times)

So now Sweden is in on the "conspiracy" too

Meanwhile in the real world suspects and random conspiratards usually aren't allowed into crime scenes. Once investigators are done I'm sure Putin will be given a folder with the results. Possibly redacted by FSB a bit to not harm his fragile ego.

Shall we give the same credibility to this "information" from you as usual, or should we somehow think that this time, really really really there is something else than wishful thinking.

Meanwhile... Ukrainian citizens are abducted from Kherson, no doubt due to all those "suicidal charges" and the "bogged down" offensive. Is not like if Putin's Orcs were counting on loosing the city.. right?


Oh do not worry. Adolf Putin would not send you to Ukraine would he? There is no reason to be afraid, because he would not change the law to make you "draftable" again would he? He is always honest, fair and only has your interest in mind... sleep well.

Dying in Ukraine is just for you friends, their sons, people in your city... but that is all right because it is not you, so no problem. You can keep calling for war and defending the invasion at no risk.

Just as an aside, two nights ago I had a dream that 'they' came to my house to tell me that I was being called back into the military.  I blew up and was saying "Are you kidding me?  I'm over fifty fuckin years old!"  I was pissed off enough that it woke me up and thus is why I remembered that part of the dream.

Another thing I remembered is that the most credible information about the actual Russian forces right before the 'special military operation' indicated that they would not have enough to do much against Ukraine (which did indeed have a fairly large and capable military.)  Coupled with the absurd lies and obvious stagecraft propaganda barrage from Kiev, I went through a brief period of doubt about whether there even was an 'invasion' at all.  At least outside of the Donbas.  When it became apparent that yes, there was indeed stuff going on, it was easy for me to hypothesize that it would be sensibly limited and I did not make the mistake that pros (Ritter, McGregor, etc) did that the Russian aims would be traditionally doctrinal.  There simply didn't seem to be the force setup to do so.

What seems to be happening now is that the Poles are 'helping' with the problem of the depletion of Ukrainian warm bodies, but with the underlying intent of having pre-possitioned forces when the country is partitioned.  While the Ukriod territorial defense and conscript souls are heavily dead, there are still plenty of ultra-nationalist NaZionist formations.  Because their jobs (terrorizing and executing civilians, shooting regular army soldiers who wish to quite, etc) are generally safer than facing the Russian, they have better survivability.  I've heard reports of instances where the Polish 'volunteers' who are already miffed about being in the East rather than the Western parts of Ukraine (aka, 'future Poland') are resisting the NaZionist forces pushing them into suicidal attacks.  They resist more forcefully than do their Ukroid cannon-fodder counterparts, and there have actually been skirmishes between they and the 'Kraken' types.

Why invent something if Liz Truss turned out to be not only an incompetent politician, but also a complete fool? Plus, the operation did not go exactly according to plan and the explosive charge did not work on one of the branches of the gas pipeline - therefore, investigators from Sweden had to clean up traces and classify the results of the investigation for several weeks before allowing Russia to the scene.

It's a visual aid for dimwits that don't know who "anglo-saxons" were.


Except there is no proof of either, just some speculation. Not too long ago kremlinists were adamant that it could only be the US that benefits from damaging the pipeline and is able to do it and there was a helicopter circling around etc etc. Now it turns out they were not able to do it on their own and had to hire James Bond LOL. Obviously Kremlin is making shit up to fit the narrative du jour.

Quite in your style - first false accusations, and then wobbling ass and stupid pictures. The story of the sabotage at Nord Stream looks like a contract killing, where the US is the customer and the UK is the executor. Who is to blame more - the customer or the executor? Depends on the jurisdiction, but in any jurisdiction, both are to blame.
What you are quoting is evidence of how much Ukraine is afraid of the increase in the number of Russian contingents participating in the special operation. The only advantage of Ukraine is rapidly fading, and the counteroffensive on all fronts has already bogged down.

be.open, this is for you. You have gone very shy after "precision posting" all the Ukrainian front collapses and glorious achievements of the Orc army that are no longer there . You are probably now figuring out how to avoid being sent to receive blasts of the glory that you have prescribed to others, so I am going to help you and anyone that prefers to be a chairborne fighter:

https://visitukraine.today/blog/928/how-not-to-join-the-russian-army-or-surrender-step-by-step-instructions-for-the-occupiers


And now, if you could not avoid it, you still have a chance of getting off the hook, but do it safely. Safety is just a call away:

So, you have joined the US slave-making system, that uses the Federal Reserve Bank to make slaves of everyone. You learned English long ago, and you want your owner - the US - to become slave-owner of the whole world!

Fake, you mean like not having to irregular army corps fighting under RF command in the Donbas? "That type of fake"? Or is it more like the RF did not send troops to invade Crimea in 2014 - troops which would not even say who did they represent or on whose behalf were there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014–2022)#:~:text=Russia%20officially%20recognized%20the%20DPR,large-scale%20invasion%20of%20Ukraine.


It is just an expression. BA is learning Russian very fast to get the nationality and join the army of slave conscripts, so his English no longer as good.

It's mostly because you haven't removed it.

The cops haven't arrested me. Must be on good terms,

    

I am not sure why the comments like this are not deleted?
I believe you have good terms with authorities - that is why you suggest people this kind of act  ... Lets get back to the discussion everyone

This is a valid observation and did happen in the first few days or weeks of the 'special military operation' as well as long before.  For many years we've been inundated with fake stories that the Russians have crossed into Ukraine, or are amassing and are going to do so in a few minutes.  [Not unlike the decades of stories about how Iran will have nukes in a few months if we don't bomb them now.]  Then when the operation started there were tons of obviously fake and some pre-arranged/staged stories about the devastation and 'Russian tanks in Kiev' and what-not.  Within a few weeks credible info that yes, the Russians actually are doing something started to emerge.  At that point I shifted my hypotheses about what might be going on.


My car was missing a lot.  I estimated that the chances of defective plugs was 30% and the control computer 60%.  Roughly.  I still changed the plugs first.  Cost a few bucks and took a few minutes.  After observing the changes, I went ahead and obtained the $4000 control computer and put it in.  Did I 'fail' by putting in the plugs even if it didn't pay off?

The Russians obviously had no expectation of defeating Kiev (City) militarily with their initial actions.  Seems like they figured that there was some chance of collapsing the NaZiocon regime politically, and even if not, it 'pinned' some forces up North while they got what they really wanted down South.  They always knew that the cost would be minimal (and the pay-off high) if they just retreated at the right time.  And they did exactly that.  Kharkiv seems to be a similar situation.  A twist is that they retreat 'to far' and form a hell of a nice killing field which pays huge dividends, but much thanks for that must go to the Ukriod 'leadership' who seem to want dead Ukrainians more than they want dead Russians.  Northern Kherson is a textbook example of this phenomenon.

Most people these days are utterly incapable or making or even understanding what in times past would have been fairly simple plans/strategies such as the above.  It is what it is.


I've said that people who learned and adopted significant elements of Nazi ideology in schools and youth camps, lionize historical figures who significantly expressed such an ideology (e.g., Bandara), tattoo themselves with iconography associated with the ideology (e.g., swastikas), etc, are classifiable of Nazis, and the post 2014 coup government integrated persons who exhibit these characteristics.

I've said from day one that I believe that a majority of Ukrainians, including those conscripts who are currently been decimated as they are forced into suicidal attacks, and probably for the most part normal and decent people.

Nazi ideology as I define it is characterized by an embrace of political violence.  That would include such things as placing 'enemies' (e.g., real journalists, foreign politicians who don't support them, etc) on hit-lists for execution though to be fair, almost all totalitarian political entities share this characteristic and that certainly includes the Trotskyites who evolved into the modern day NaZiocons.  In many ways there is not much light between the two.

An interesting presentation I saw was that the OSS/CIA recognized the potential of the Ukriod Nazi elements of the Ukroid population as a thorn in the side to the Soviet Union fairly early and made them a deal:  We'll fund and support you but you have to do one thing:  Drop the Jew stuff.  Observations which lend credence to the suggestion include that the Ukroid Nazi's of today own their livelihood to Jewish oligarchs and the U.S. State Department, and display a fair bit of philosemitism.  And that they get the good-houskeeping seal of approval from likes of the ADL.


Have at it, Hos.

https://twitter.com/WarintheFuture/status/1586515795848626176

Another wall, another simple answer:

- Hope for liberty is never in vain. Fighting for liberty is possibly the only fight that makes sense for humans and, apart from mere survival, one of the few reasons to put your life on the line. This is over and over the same idea "surrender because you cannot win", which after what is happening in the fronts, makes no sense.

- The dam belongs to Ukraine, so it is Ukrainians dam. It is temporarily leased on favourable terms to the Slave Orc Army, but the Ukrainian army, after the advances in the las 5 days which all the trolls here are trying not to mention, is at 54 kilometres from it and about to evict the tenant for bad behaviour.  Destroying it would provide no benefit to Ukraine and would hinder the current offensive more than help.

- Meanwhile, the RF attacked the electrical infrastructure but seemed quite surprised to see their assets attacked at Sevastopol.

The "surrender" idea is each day more of a stupid argument, and while you can repeat it over and over, the fighting disproves completely the idea of the "invincible RF army" - more now becoming the "army from the 90's that showed its true pathetic capabilities".

I think that given your love for life and desire not to cause unnecessary suffering - how human of you - you should start addressing the Slave Orc Army to surrender to avoid getting burnt and blasted in their T-60s. Or is it that you only care about the "poor" Ukrainians?


Adolf Putin and his aggression of Ukraine does not represent any culture, certainly it does not represent any Eastern culture nor any of the achievement of the people of Russia and the regions and republics belonging to the RF. He is trying to be a page in history and he is using the people of the RF to achieve his egotistic and maniac purposes.

Killing is not a culture, mass-graving is not a culture, bombing civilians is not a culture. Adolf Putin is using the noble patriotism of the people from Russia to steal more and in a vain attempt to be anything else but a corrupted kleptocracy leader. He will only be a short paragraph in the books - he who finally showed that that the strength of Russia was there no-more.

USA, UK - what's the difference? In the aspect of Russophobia against the background of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, those and those Anglo-Saxons (as well as Australia, New Zealand and Canada, except for Quebec).

The attack on Nord Stream is more beneficial for the US than for the UK (because it seems that the UK also had a branch from one of the branches of the Nord Stream), but both could technically implement it. It’s bad that Russia was not allowed to investigate in hot pursuit, but the wreckage of an underwater drone from the bay of Sevastopol points to the UK, and that it was launched from a humanitarian corridor for the export of grain. In principle, nothing surprising, in Russia there is even a stable phraseological unit "aнгличaнкa гaдит".

Remember how Kremlin blamed the US for the Nordstream explosions? And the fifteen ruble brigade here proved it using tweets from some Polish dude and similar investigative tools.

Well, no one remembers that, not even Kremlin itself, because apparently that never happened. They've always known that Brits did it and Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. I wonder if posts will get deleted in this thread or some mental gymnastics will be employed to switch the narrative.

You argued there was no war, just like Putin. "It's all just fear mongering by the West."

You argued that Russia didn't fail in the spring when they went for Kiev and ended up retreating even after the pro war Russians were openly calling out Putin's failures.

You repeat the same “they're all Nazis" lines as Putin (although you add your own unironic antisemitic flare, to be fair)

Let me know if I should keep going.

Sure.  Most stuff is 'propaganda', but that doesn't mean it isn't factual.  Most reasonably competant propaganda has it's basis in factual information (as do most good troll posts).  The propagandist's trick is just how to spin it, what to leave out, etc.

I'll re-frame/relay factual stuff until the cows come home with no qualms and do so no matter what side it comes from.  That there is very little reliable fodder coming from the Ukroid/West side, that isn't my fault.

The primitive class of propaganda, which works on low-functioning people like you Ukroid/woke-redditard folks here, is the type where information is simply pulled straight out of the propagandist's ass with no basis in actual physical reality whatsoever.  Ghost-of-Kiev, Bucha, Mariupol mass-graves, Russians eating dogs which have been eating dead Russian soldiers, etc.  Again, the problem with that (even if one has no ethics) is that it works only partially against mainly useless NPCs and casts doubt on ALL information produced from the day one is proven to be a liar forward.  The recovery process takes years and a revolution or two which is why I don't hold 2020's Russians accountable for Soviet era reporting 'errors'.

You literally parrot back the propaganda on a regular basis in this thread.  You're doing it right now.

Count on it.  I've no doubt that as a national strategy the Russians do exactly this, targeting their own domestic populations, but I simply don't have much visibility into that dark corner.    I doubt that it is currently as pervasive now in Russia as it was under the Soviet Union or current day West (albeit often in reverse to facilitate 'demoralization' among the citizenry.)  Seems like the Russian people are maintaining a degree of intellect (and decency) while somehow it seems to be falling off the cliff in other formerly progressive areas like the 'collective West'.  Maybe the massive number of childhood injections are having something to do with that.  Who knows?  In any event, different methods of propaganda work better among different types of people.

What the Russians seem to be doing internationally is to be pretty careful to be factual without a lot opportunity for casual researchers to disprove their statements as flat out lies or ridiculous weasel words.  They seem to be smart enough to understand that the fallout from a bullshit lie is orders of magnitude more damaging than the benefit of some 'Ghost-of-Kiev' story which is believed by 50% of domestic mouth-breathers and assorted global redditards for a few days.  They can say something and it is more safe for an observer like me to take it as likely factual simply because of their recent history.

Ukraine, on the other hand, seems to be a nation of Baghdad Bobs.  And oddly proud of it!  I suspect that it is a result of being under operational control of those who are philosophically more influenced by Kabbalah.  Namely the Ziocons from the U.S. State Department which really took control after the coup of 2014.  Kabbalah teaches a concept of 'truth' which is 180 degrees different than most Christian and/or post-enlightenment interpretations.  Even Atheists like me who grew up in 'Christian nations' tend to have adopted the definition of 'truth' as being synonymous with 'factually accurate' and it takes a lot of time and study to realize that not everyone defines 'truth' in the same way.