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Quote from: tsaroz on November 16, 2022, 12:53:06 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/16/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-emergency-g20-meeting-after-russian-made-missiles-land-in-poland?page=with:block-6374744b8f08341844536e09#block-6374744b8f08341844536e09

The US admitted to it. And Blinken has phoned his Ukrainian counterpart and talked about it.

As a side note this has been an interesting and funny to watch when it comes to conspirary theorists and russian trolls squirming. How they could use links from mainstream media as an actual solid proof but because mainstream media now sided with russia on this the won't fit their "Liberal media always lies" agenda, they must be losing their minds and think this is some sort of double bluff instead of media reporting the truth.

Note to those who have the mental capacity to understand: 'unreliable' != 'always wrong'. Sorry if that causes you a discomfort by way of cognitive dissonance.

In this case mainstream media tried the hilarious 'parts made in Russia' jingle for a bit but it proved just a little bit to ridiculous. Worked on Twitchy or Suchshill or one of those guys though. I get them mixed up. Anyway, low-information/low-functioning people will bite on anything which looks like it may prove even remotely edible in their desperate hopefulness. The lamestream media knows this and exploit it.

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Quote from: tsaroz on November 16, 2022, 12:53:06 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/16/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-emergency-g20-meeting-after-russian-made-missiles-land-in-poland?page=with:block-6374744b8f08341844536e09#block-6374744b8f08341844536e09

The US admitted to it. And Blinken has phoned his Ukrainian counterpart and talked about it.

As a side note this has been an interesting and funny to watch when it comes to conspirary theorists and russian trolls squirming. How they could use links from mainstream media as an actual solid proof but because mainstream media now sided with russia on this the won't fit their "Liberal media always lies" agenda, they must be losing their minds and think this is some sort of double bluff instead of media reporting the truth.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 16, 2022, 03:15:02 AM

The Putin Fan boys that think Poland is going to invade Ukraine are really going to eat this up.

It looks more like Ukraine is invading Poland, so they got it all wrong

In other news on the opposite side of Ukraine, in Russia a fuel storage tank caught fire. You know, the typical spontaneous combustion event that Russians would usually blame on solar flares or something. Now they say it was a drone attack. The place is more than 150km from Ukraine's border. Towards Moscow. And Ukraine's Bayraktars have been destroyed 3 times over. Actually that might explain it. Air defense systems can't detect non-existent drones, clever.

Quote from: https://ria.ru/20221116/neftebaza-1831814975.html

In the village of Stalnoy Kon in the Oryol region, an oil depot was attacked, presumably using a drone, said the head of the region Andrey Klychkov

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 16, 2022, 03:15:02 AM

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The Putin Fan boys that think Poland is going to invade Ukraine are really going to eat this up.

In progress according to some reports (which I do not necessarily believe or dis-believe).

A group on nine 'Ukrainians' were smushed recently on the front. There were five Polaks and the other 4 were of undetermined nationality. Seems that the so-called 'AFU' are sucking fumes in the 'Ukrainian' tank and have flipped the fuel tank selector.

In another story, Poles resented being sent East to face the Russians and wished to remain among the living for their main mission. That is, be pre-positioned around and about former Ukraine in order to exploit the inevitable partition of the place. The hard-core Bandera Ukrainian's job is to guard the rear and kill normal Ukroid conscripts and such who try to escape the front line. Tensions between the Poles and the Nazis actually resulted in a skirmish with fatalities. Pretty funny if true, and from what I can see it's completely possible if not likely.

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Quote from: suchmoon on November 15, 2022, 08:55:25 PM

Quote from: paxmao on November 15, 2022, 08:24:07 PM

Firstly the US and allies must make up their minds about what happened - my first instinct is that the target obviously does not make any sense and I am not sure there is anything in there that could be a target. A missile flying through half Ukraine must have been at some point detected?

Looking at the picture, it seems a vey small effect for a full missile detonating. You can see a small crater, even smaller than one from an arty shell, and a tractor that is not that badly damaged. Could have been a fragment or even WWII unexploded munitions?

According to Poland's MFA the fragments belong to a "Russian made" missile, which could mean anything from an X-101 cruise missile to a C-300 from a Ukrainian SAM. At least we know it's not Iranian, nor Chinese

.

As for target, rumor has it that there is a power plant near the border on the Ukrainian side so it's possible that some ancient cruise missile was aimed at it and missed it by a few km (inertial guidance is a bitch). Otherwise it would be an incredibly unbelievable coincidence that something unrelated exploded at poor farmers at the same time when Russians were launching ~100 missiles at the Ukrainian power grid.

This are the statistics for unexploded ordinance, just for the UK:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/471707/20150320-FOI-02246-Unexploded_Ordnance-Stats.pdf

Around 50 cases a year and this is not in Cambodia nor Laos nor a country in central Africa. It does happen and it particularly happens when working on agricultural tasks (second to construction of course). Poland was pretty much fought all over and the Russian army was there, so there is a case to consider. Mainstream media are speaking of missiles. Again the fragment in the picture is quite crude, too large for a MANPAD I would say.

Russian made... yep, does not add anything. A fragment from an intercept, quite credible. A "precision" missile, yep also a valid hypothesis.

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Quote from: tsaroz on November 16, 2022, 12:53:06 AM

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Quote from: tsaroz on November 15, 2022, 11:10:56 PM

It's now proved to be a S300 air defense missile from Ukraine.
Whether it was a mistake or a deliberate work is not confirmed by anyone.

Care to share the proof?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/16/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-emergency-g20-meeting-after-russian-made-missiles-land-in-poland?page=with:block-6374744b8f08341844536e09#block-6374744b8f08341844536e09

The US admitted to it. And Blinken has phoned his Ukrainian counterpart and talked about it.

Thanks. I couldn't find anything earlier.

The Putin Fan boys that think Poland is going to invade Ukraine are really going to eat this up.

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Quote from: tsaroz on November 16, 2022, 12:53:06 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 15, 2022, 11:33:41 PM

Quote from: tsaroz on November 15, 2022, 11:10:56 PM

It's now proved to be a S300 air defense missile from Ukraine.
Whether it was a mistake or a deliberate work is not confirmed by anyone.

Care to share the proof?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/16/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-emergency-g20-meeting-after-russian-made-missiles-land-in-poland?page=with:block-6374744b8f08341844536e09#block-6374744b8f08341844536e09

The US admitted to it. And Blinken has phoned his Ukrainian counterpart and talked about it.

U.S. support for Ukraine was evident from the very beginning, and the U.S. has also played a role in this war.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on January 24, 2022, 02:20:20 AM

I am surprised there haven't been any threads opened about this yet.

In recent months, Russia has massed hundreds of thousands of troops and other military equipment on the Russia-Ukraine border. It is well known that Russia wants Ukraine to be part of its county, however Russian dictator, President Putin, has claimed that the troop mass is part of a training exercise.

The US and NATO allies are sending military equipment to Ukraine to help repeal an attack, and there is some talk about possibly sending troops to the region.

Update 2/18/22:
It appears there may have been some kind of false flag operation in Dumbas, Ukraine, an area controlled by a separatist group, today, possibly involving an alleged bombing of the car belonging to the leader of the separatist group. It is possible this is part of some kind of false flag operation to create a pretext for an invasion.

President Biden today said he believes Putin has made the decision to invade and will start an invasion in the coming days.

Update 2/21/22:
It appears an invasion has begun

Update 2/23/22:
It appears there are some kind of bombings in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine

Now that the weather is getting colder, the military conditions on the battlefield will become more complicated, but they will not stop fighting, and I think it will be more intense.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 11, 2022, 02:01:14 AM

Quote from: Branko on November 10, 2022, 11:40:08 AM

Quote from: paxmao on November 10, 2022, 11:08:41 AM

You have to understand the difference between the "news" of the media you read and the News that free press can and does publish. About poking the bear... well the UK did not kill a dissident in Moscow with Polonium. That is poking.

On regards to UK becoming "small Britain", well, your comment is right... just 107 years old because it started with WW I.

However, you decided to extradite dissident to USA, which is as good as killing him

Also, how many IRA members got killed by good old fashioned bullet, and across the globe?

(or even innocent bystanders like this one)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/mar/08/menezes-tube-shooting-northern-ireland

Are you defending Russia or what? What is your point? Could you attempt to articulate a point please?

I really want to know how far the Russia-Ukraine war is now. It seems that this time has lasted for almost half a year. Which side do you all stand on?

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 15, 2022, 11:33:41 PM

Quote from: tsaroz on November 15, 2022, 11:10:56 PM

It's now proved to be a S300 air defense missile from Ukraine.
Whether it was a mistake or a deliberate work is not confirmed by anyone.

Care to share the proof?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/16/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-emergency-g20-meeting-after-russian-made-missiles-land-in-poland?page=with:block-6374744b8f08341844536e09#block-6374744b8f08341844536e09

The US admitted to it. And Blinken has phoned his Ukrainian counterpart and talked about it.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 15, 2022, 11:33:41 PM

Quote from: tsaroz on November 15, 2022, 11:10:56 PM

It's now proved to be a S300 air defense missile from Ukraine.
Whether it was a mistake or a deliberate work is not confirmed by anyone.

Care to share the proof?

You don't need 'the proof' to start in on busying yourself coming up with excuses and mental gymnastics to favor your own side.

Since there is no plausible reason for the Russians to put two small missiles into a Polish crop field, the question is whether it was an accident or some sort of a desperate hail-Mary false-flag type thing on the part of the NaZioncons. Both are plausible. Another remote possibility is that indeed the Russian (who made the system in the first place) hijacked the device and sent it in some random direction.

If I were to stoop so low as to make human shields out of nationals as a strategic military doctrine, I would at least try to arrange some sort of self-destruct for the AA missiles so that when the lose targeting and fall to earth at least I wouldn't have to explain 'killing my own people.' Seems like that for the Zelenskj crowd doing so, killing Ukrainian (civilian or military) is a feature and not a bug. Maybe do a few Polish farmers as well just for shits and giggles.

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Quote from: tsaroz on November 15, 2022, 11:10:56 PM

It's now proved to be a S300 air defense missile from Ukraine.
Whether it was a mistake or a deliberate work is not confirmed by anyone.

Care to share the proof?

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It's now proved to be a S300 air defense missile from Ukraine.
Whether it was a mistake or a deliberate work is not confirmed by anyone.

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Quote from: paxmao on November 15, 2022, 08:24:07 PM

Firstly the US and allies must make up their minds about what happened - my first instinct is that the target obviously does not make any sense and I am not sure there is anything in there that could be a target. A missile flying through half Ukraine must have been at some point detected?

Looking at the picture, it seems a vey small effect for a full missile detonating. You can see a small crater, even smaller than one from an arty shell, and a tractor that is not that badly damaged. Could have been a fragment or even WWII unexploded munitions?

According to Poland's MFA the fragments belong to a "Russian made" missile, which could mean anything from an X-101 cruise missile to a C-300 from a Ukrainian SAM. At least we know it's not Iranian, nor Chinese

.

As for target, rumor has it that there is a power plant near the border on the Ukrainian side so it's possible that some ancient cruise missile was aimed at it and missed it by a few km (inertial guidance is a bitch). Otherwise it would be an incredibly unbelievable coincidence that something unrelated exploded at poor farmers at the same time when Russians were launching ~100 missiles at the Ukrainian power grid.

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Quote from: suchmoon on November 15, 2022, 03:37:50 PM

Quote from: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52

Polish media reported that two people died Tuesday afternoon after a projectile struck an area where grain was drying in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine.

Fuck... I hope these two Polish farmers were just smoking in the wrong place, otherwise it was nice knowing you all.

Not yet. An attack or an offensive action is usually met with a proportional response, so no time for Armageddon just yet. What could be a proportional response? The danger is escalation, but we are still a few meters apart from it.

Firstly the US and allies must make up their minds about what happened - my first instinct is that the target obviously does not make any sense and I am not sure there is anything in there that could be a target. A missile flying through half Ukraine must have been at some point detected?

Looking at the picture, it seems a vey small effect for a full missile detonating. You can see a small crater, even smaller than one from an arty shell, and a tractor that is not that badly damaged. Could have been a fragment or even WWII unexploded ordinance?

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Quote from: tsaroz on November 15, 2022, 05:29:03 PM

Here's an video from news.com.au
https://www.news.com.au/world/first-images-emerge-of-site-where-russian-missiles-landed-in-poland/video/09b21d8347ce7b1fd6170a151aaa59cd
The photo shows pieces of a projectile so no "grain dust".

The Russian Foreign Ministry had completely denied firing missiles near the Polish border. The quick reactions from both sides prove that what happened was intentional, whether it was Russia that wanted to provoke NATO, or that NATO fabricated the attack to condemn Russia.

I don't think both sides want to go to war now. Russia acts with great arrogance and indifference, and the rest of the parties fear that Russia will become more reckless.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on November 15, 2022, 03:51:00 PM

Today Russia mafmde biggest air attack against Ukraine since the beginning of war. But one of their "high precision missiles crossed border of Poland and killed 2 civilians here.
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-missiles-cross-into-nato-member-poland-report/a-63770954
https://www.euronews.com/2022/11/15/russian-missiles-cross-into-poland-killing-two-near-ukraine-border
It's already direct attack on NATO country. Interesting what reaction of NATO will be. But considering whole picture of war and that they don't even supply long range missiles to Ukraine to not escalate conflict. So, I don't believe that 5th article will be activated. Though, it's Poland, if it would be Hungary, I believe that they would close eyes on this attack.
And question, did Russia made this attack intentionally to check red lines of NATO or it's just their "high precision weapons which can land something like 50 km from target.

Quote from: suchmoon on November 15, 2022, 03:37:50 PM

Quote from: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52

Polish media reported that two people died Tuesday afternoon after a projectile struck an area where grain was drying in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine.

Fuck... I hope these two Polish farmers were just smoking in the wrong place, otherwise it was nice knowing you all.

Can't find link, but I saw post saying that it might be explosion of "grain dust". Didn't knew that grain is heavy explosive material.

Here's an video from news.com.au
https://www.news.com.au/world/first-images-emerge-of-site-where-russian-missiles-landed-in-poland/video/09b21d8347ce7b1fd6170a151aaa59cd
The photo shows pieces of a projectile so no "grain dust".

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Today Russia mafmde biggest air attack against Ukraine since the beginning of war. But one of their "high precision missiles crossed border of Poland and killed 2 civilians here.
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-missiles-cross-into-nato-member-poland-report/a-63770954
https://www.euronews.com/2022/11/15/russian-missiles-cross-into-poland-killing-two-near-ukraine-border
It's already direct attack on NATO country. Interesting what reaction of NATO will be. But considering whole picture of war and that they don't even supply long range missiles to Ukraine to not escalate conflict. So, I don't believe that 5th article will be activated. Though, it's Poland, if it would be Hungary, I believe that they would close eyes on this attack.
And question, did Russia made this attack intentionally to check red lines of NATO or it's just their "high precision weapons which can land something like 50 km from target.

Quote from: suchmoon on November 15, 2022, 03:37:50 PM

Quote from: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52

Polish media reported that two people died Tuesday afternoon after a projectile struck an area where grain was drying in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine.

Fuck... I hope these two Polish farmers were just smoking in the wrong place, otherwise it was nice knowing you all.

Can't find link, but I saw post saying that it might be explosion of "grain dust". Didn't knew that grain is heavy explosive material.

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Quote from: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52

Polish media reported that two people died Tuesday afternoon after a projectile struck an area where grain was drying in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine.

Fuck... I hope these two Polish farmers were just smoking in the wrong place, otherwise it was nice knowing you all.

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Quote from: suchmoon on November 15, 2022, 11:42:37 AM

Quote from: paxmao on November 15, 2022, 07:38:49 AM

I guess their argument would be that they are actually winning it twice against Ukraine against themselves.

I really hope that the soldier who allegedly wrote that is never found - even a honest complaint could be interpreted as treason. The more nervous they grow, the more are they going to repress every sign of dissent.

It's a well-known "voenkor", shouldn't be hard to find. Not sure if it's a personal experience or they're retelling someone else's story though. But yeah, there were already some threats from Kremlin towards telegram warriors, because telling everyone that that king is naked - not acceptable.

It seems they made corrections to their fire:

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/13832

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