Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 207. (Read 77449 times)

It's a well-known "voenkor", shouldn't be hard to find. Not sure if it's a personal experience or they're retelling someone else's story though. But yeah, there were already some threats from Kremlin towards telegram warriors, because telling everyone that that king is naked - not acceptable.

I guess their argument would be that they are actually winning it twice against Ukraine against themselves. I really hope that the soldier who allegedly wrote that is never found - even a honest complaint could be interpreted as treason. The more nervous they grow, the more are they going to repress every sign of dissent.

I am really surprised that any army has such a level of incompetence. We are not talking weapons or other things that are expensive, we are talking procedures and techniques which only require a little care.

New-ish excuse why putinists are losing the war:


I'm sure the "chiefs" will read this and fix the issues immediately. Poor guys just didn't know that their glorious forces are killing each other.

Good argument, but is not a classification and I do not justify anything done to him (other than replacing him for someone who does not want to wage wars), I just got tired of they guy actually saying that others are the "Nazis", when is following the Reich manual better than Goering:

- Going into offensive on a "pan-Eslavic" motto (For Hitler it was the Anchslush, the pan-Germanism and, look at the coincidence, the "German speaking majority in Sudetenland and Austria".
- A very clear Russian supremacist policy. All regions are there to be used by the dominant ethnic Russians.
- Pretence of law, as long as "the Chiefs" decide it is not conveniet.
- Incarcerate political opposition (Nazis with the Communists in Germany, Putin with any opposition such as Navalny, but not only Navalny).
- And, not exclusively Nazi, but very Prussian: Put the citizens and the state to the service of the army instead of the opposite (nowcompulsory service on an offensive war).
- Using terror tactics against civilians (Nazis in Poland for example, the orcs in Bucha, Irpin, ... )
- Bombing cities trying to make the enemy surrender (Battle of Britain and yes, the US in Japan, etc...).
- Using the propaganda machine to keep the population ignorant (to the point of not calling this a war and sentencing those who dare!).

So, yes, Adolf Putin is not name calling nor a class, is a description ... or perhaps is that all tyrants end up looking the same.


You are a genius.

Nobody wins in war except the makers of the war machines. If they are smart, they will be selling war materials to all the warring factions, so they will have a safe haven to go to no matter who wins.

...Adolf Putin...

Are you aware that I use Adolf Putin in a negative way right? I mean, not sometimes, but more like in 3 of every 4 posts, it is impossible not to notice. I even wrote a few posts with my reasons to believe why Putin is actually acting like the Reich Nazis.

Apart from that, you are using the oldest propaganda tactic in history - you classify a person or a group as something undesirable, so that anything you do after that becomes justified (e.g. despicable Arab terrorist, Capitalist American, Wicked Hilary, traitor Spansky ...). It is only for simple minds like yours, most people in the internet era can pick this easily.



Ah, you looked hard to find that one uh? And worked hard on interpreting that as xenophobia as well by cutting the text:


The topic is that you were brawling about Ukraine not being able to retake any substantial territory or city. You were wrong - do not worry, everyone gets things wrong sometimes and you are probably going to get many more so learn to live with it and do not hate yourself for it.

Of course you don't know why the "optimism". You do not know your enemy and you probably will never be able to - too long being a servant of the Psychos.

You think that Europe particularly supports Ukraine without any reason? You have not grasped even the basic concepts of the Ukrainian resistance and the international support. I am going to give you just one very practical and simple reason, there are many ethical and philosophical ones  - at the risk of trying to plant a seed in a rock:

 - Europe does not want to have a victorious RF army at the gates of Poland. The cost of that is much higher than supporting Ukraine's effort.

And on regards to Ukraine, obviously most Ukrainians would rather avoid being under the rule of Moscow. I am not sure you get it, so trust me on this one.

I am sure that even someone with a 5 year old brain like your, that throws Nazi here and Nazi there can understand that. The RF army is a threat and should have been stopped much earlier.

Reasons for optimism... well, it does not seem to be going that bad, you know...


Well, RF seems not keeping even that.

No, the RF has done that before - flattening whole cities like Aleppo, just to mention one.

Seems that this video is real and leader of Wagner group prigozhin justified it ''A dog receives a dog death'':
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/11/13/Sledgehammer-execution-of-Russian-mercenary-who-defected-to-Ukraine-shown-in-video
I'm wondering since when death penalty become legal in Russia and when some private organisations started to carry out justice. Call them Nazi, but for me they're more similar to ISIS terrorists.

I also don't know Russian very well. Maybe it means that ''Russia is here until November''. But maybe our Russian folks can translate better.

By 'Kherson' I meant primarily the region on the East of the river which is vitally important to the reliable supply of water to Crimea.  When I wrote that I was not thinking about the possibility of blowing up the dam, and especially not the nuclear power plant.  It took some time to fully appreciate how irresponsible, desperate, and depraved the Zelenskj puppet-masters truly are.

In all honesty, I thought the Russians could and would eventually control the entire lake and the areas at some distance around it.  At least that was my assessment from some months in until a month or two ago.  Of course they still might.  If you look back to the beginning of this thing, after I'd had a week or two to study the situation, I stated clearly that Russia would leave Kiev once the purpose of being there (tieing up the adversary) was over, and I also stated that I doubted the Russians would go to Odessa.  My assessment at that early time was that Russia would not want a panic response from the rest of the world which would result from land-locking the county.  I considered (and still consider) the Russian leadership to be reasonable and wished initially to just take care of their immediate problems (as stated in earlier agreements which proved to be a Western sham) as expediently and cheaply as possible and to avoid a larger war.  But I also expected Russia to be prepared for a larger war if it came to that.  In this case Odessa will probably become part of the Russian Federation along with the others via a combination of economic engineering and military actions.  Kherson is actually the weakest of the bunch (from Kharkiv down to Odessa) in terms of popular support for Russia from what I can see.

I maintain that Russia (or any other thinking power in this day and age) will avoid at all costs attempting to take over and try to control an area which lacks popular support.  Russia seems to be to civilized to flat out genocide an area to arrange popular support.  The opposite seems to hold true for the NaZiocons wherever they may be found, and I suspect that there is a religious component to it.  Some religious dogma is abhorred by genocide while in other cases it is considered as natural as a tree and something to strive for and have holidays in celebration of.

A look back at when Russia lost the battle of Kiev and you framed it as a victory because they were able to focus on the "permanent taking of places like Kherson. which they do intend to keep" (and also the whole war is fake and pre planned):

It will be same like in Croatia, they will have their flag, anthem and country borders, and everything of value will be owned by their western "friends"

I've been tied up with other things when reliable info about the West side of the river abandonment stuff came in.  As usual, it looks like probably a fairly brilliant move which I would probably agree with more and more were I more aware of the background info.  Beyond that, it looks characteristically well executed with minimal losses of men and equipment on the Russian side.  Hat's off to 'General Armageddon'.

Honestly, when Russia began offering resettlement with generous options to civilian evacuees from Kherson, it was a pretty big clue that the writing was on the wall.

When the NATO weapons hit the dam it pretty much sealed the deal.  Now, with Kherson crawling with Nazi's and those civilians who sided with Russia safely evacuated (under NaZiocon fire predictably enough), Russia could do the dam first at a time of their choosing if it's a forgone conclusion, or in better circumstances allow it to exist as long as it supplies water to Crimea.

As for the nuke plant, it's nothing but the worlds biggest dirty bomb and certainly not something to let children like Zelensj and the NaZiocons play around with.  Especially after their recent history of crazy creepy tactics including shelling said plant.  I hope for everyone's sake that the Russians decommission the thing and get the spent fuel safely back into Russia.  Then rig it for a full and permanent demolition on the off chance that it might become necessary.

If Russia ever does 'liberate' the whole of Kherson and the rest of the Black Sea seaboard it will probably have to be from the North.  Maybe as an extension of operations to liberate the rest of the Donbass and Zapherwhatever.  Best would be if free and fair elections gave the peeps the choice.  The Russians would have to pressure the 'Western Democracies' pretty damn hard to get them to agree to the use of 'Democracy' to resolve the Southern East Ukraine issues though.

Because part of your challenge was


And Ukrain just liberated Kherson.

Although to be fair, if he didn't accept the challenge then obviously you have no moral obligation to leave.  But admitting you were wrong and over estimated Russia/under estimated Ukraine would be the honorable thing to do.


By the way, I found this photo of a billboard the Russians put up while occupying Kherson, but I don't know any Russian,  would you mind translating it for me?

There is a video making rounds in the dark depths of Telegram that kinda reflects the essence of this war, if the video real... which it most likely is (or at least the message being conveyed is) since it seems to have originated from Wagner's official channel.

The story goes like this: a Wagner PMC "soldier", one of the thugs they hired from prisons, gets captured as a POW by Ukrainians. He sings like a canary, tells lots of stories that may or may not be true, gets a lot of publicity. Then POW exchange takes place and Wagner wants him back. At this point the story gets a bit sketchy - some say that Ukrainians sent him back against his will, some say he was coerced to go back because Wagner threatened his family. At any rate, the video is about him singing a different song somewhere in a basement in Russia and getting his head smashed with a hammer. I'm not going to post a link for obvious reasons, you can probably google it up if you're into shit like this, but yeah... these are the "denazifiers" coming to fix Ukraine. Simple folks, traditional values.

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So your sales pitch for ending a pointless war is "we can fuck up Ukraine and our own country much more than we already have, so give up now"?

I'm afraid the answer now more than ever is going to be "better pay the high price at this time than a much higher price later". Clearly the lunatic in control of Russia and sycophants like you don't have anything positive to offer nor could you be trusted even if any such offers could be made. There is no incentive for anyone to give anything to Kremlin if the only outcome is going to be regrouping for another war 8 years later.

Are you talking about that Napoleon who fled Russia at the end of December 1812?

If, according to you, you are not fifteen, then why are you reposting the 3-months-old comment, with an offer of a dispute, which you generously refused, considering it childish? I remember how in your answer you said high-flown phrases that you do not bet "on people's deaths and countries destroyed" and at the same time you didn't find a better place to advertise "your sponsor".

Your Nazi phrases also say a lot, including why you are constantly sticking around in this topic and savoring these hostilities between two neighboring countries all day long.
This is for history, to once again indicate that you are a Spanish Nazi. And should be treated accordingly to your posts on the basis of this.

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Now to the topic. I don't understand the optimism of those people in this thread who support Ukraine, which behave like fans at a match, supporting their favorite team. For me, it's already obvious that at least Ukraine has already lost for sure for purely economic reasons around May, since its budget is supported entirely by Western financial injections. A 1/3 of the population has dispersed to different countries. Tens of thousands of dead soldiers on both sides. But even if the Russian troops stop fully attacking and simply stand on the defensive, this will still not save Ukraine, since the monetary yoke, generously thrown by its Western partners, has already lowered this country to the very bottom of a deep debt hole.

Western aid will not be eternal, and what will the population of Ukraine do, sitting without work, wages, heat, electricity? If the country's army is entirely paid from the budget of another state, then such an army is mercenary and it defends not national interests, but the interests of those who provide it. But where will the aggression of the Ukrainian army be directed when financial aid suddenly cuts off, have you thought about this? Guess from two times where Ukrainian citizens will go to save themselves, to Russia or Europe?

Regarding reparations. Do you think it will be possible to steal 300 billion USD from Russia without consequences and give them to Ukraine? Then it will be quite expected that Russia will confiscate the property of companies from those countries that will be involved in the theft of its money. But under such a scenario, one should also expect that countries such as China and India, taught by the experience of Russia, will withdraw money from European and American banks. That will also undermine the global economy.

I don't think that Russians will pay hundreds of billions $ to Ukraine because of their mentality. The Russians will literally hang themselves rather than go to this one. They will arrange a big internal rebellion or arrange a third world war. Therefore, if the residents of the Kremlin really want a repeat of the Russian Civil War like in 1917 for several years or a global cataclysm, they will do just that. Because it is impossible to simultaneously broadcast from high tribunes to the inhabitants of Russia that their country is a winner, a fighter against Nazism and American anti-human hegemony, and then make the country an eternally penitent monetary slave to those very "Nazis" and "anti-people." But a riot in Russia will definitely not be good for anyone, neither in Europe nor in the USA.

Oh certainly, the worst enemy of the RF army is the culture and leadership of the RF army. The tactics that work for countries that have less support and less resources, like basically flattening any city to the ground and mass-graving population into submission, have failed against the determination and quite decent organisation of the Ukrainian army. I hope you are right, the strategy that has worked in the southwest may be used in other areas. The area near the Dnipro was particularly suited to a logistics cut-off, it may be more difficult to implement in other areas.

However other strategies may be possible and equally effective. The RF army has a couple strengths, but a million weaknesses.

With time, it is possible that better analysis of the battles and tactical situations becomes available. I am personally very interested in understanding tactics and strategy and wars (useless and detestable as they are) are possibly the ultimate expression of these. The war in Ukraine will be much more documented that any other war before.

The doings of the RF chief psychos will probably be in the same bag as the allied frontal assaults in WW I, Gallipoli, the US presence in Afghanistan and the Romanov's  army in WWI, Stalingrad for the Nazi army and countless historical strategic mistakes from Craso in Parthia to Napoleon coming back from his exile.

I doubt Ukrainians need to cross Dnipro there near Kherson, way too complicated now with bridges being essentially destroyed. They will probably want to HIMARS the juicy stuff on the left bank (like bridges/ammo depots/etc) as far as they can reach to reduce the risk for shelling on Kherson, but then they can move some troops to other areas, like Luhansk, and encourage Russians to make another good will gesture.

At the moment, all the east bank of the Dnipro seems to be falling progressively under Ukrainian control. There are rumours of RF soldiers being instructed of dressing as civils and get out however they can.

https://deepstatemap.live/en#8/47.021/33.937 This map usually gets it right.

I am waiting to see if Ukraine consolidates or intends to actually cross the Dnipro. It would be an extreme strategic risk to do so, but I am not sure if this is a full collapse or just a disorderly retreat.

There is a say in Spanish, "a enemigo que huye, puente de plata" - "give a silver lined bridge to a running enemy". My take is that Ukraine has renounced to damage Kherson even further while also renouncing to capture a few thousand RF soldiers. Would that have been possible? Would that have been a decisive hit to the RF army?

Since he become commander of whole ''special operation'', only his achievement is desparate attacks on critical infrastructure of Ukraine. In front line, he didn't achieved anything, but now lost Kherson - only centre of Oblast that Russia managed to occupy since full scale invasion.
BTW, something is happening in Nova Kakhovka now, which is located in other side of Dnipro river:
https://t.me/hueviyherson/28813
https://t.me/hueviyherson/28898
Seems that this city is also planning to leave Russian Federation.

Repeat after me - Russia is here forever. But seriously, when I see videos from Kherson how large crwods of people welcomes Ukrainian Army, I have such great feeling. When Russia invaded Kherson, their propaganda tried to show that people welcomed Russian army in similar way, but it's impossible to compare how streets of Kherson looked then and now.

I couldn't say better. Only thing that they know is whataboutism. If I support Ukraine, it doesn't automatically means that I support every action that USA or any other country did. C'mon, I'm not even saying that Ukraine is doing everything perfect and they haven't made any mistakes. There is lot of problems in Ukraine like corruption, too much power in hands of oligarchs and etc. But it doesn't gives any excuses for Russia for what they're doing in Ukraine now. But people like Branko will continue to scream - oh, look what America did.[/list]

@Branko, you may be right in many of your appreciations on the US foreign policy and their general attitude to the world.The US craps periodically on whatever country is not doing their will, particularly when the Republican Party (which is linked to the oil cartels like a toe to a nail) is in power and has to return the financing favours.

None of that makes Putin's RF good for anything, none of that makes a government from Moscow good for Ukraine. Sometimes you have to choose between two not really good options. Given the track record of Putin and the RF government, and the general track record of using Ukraine to Chernobylize, Holodomor it, burn it to the ground to stop the enemy and using the Ukrainians as cannon fodder, I am sure you are not surprised that they are willing to put a fight to try something else.

I believe Ukraine has a future in Europe if they can progress towards a stronger rule of law and governance, and it is a much better one that anything that Putin can offer - not that he is offering anything.


This comes from the guy who wrote "once Trump wins the next election..." (congrats on the mid-terms  ). But again, just to humour your argument, in the hypothetical case that Zelensky is killed, nothing changes. Ukraine is not holding because of Zelensky, it is holding because there are many people willing to fight for their independence. As simple as that.

Now, if Ukraine loses the war, whatever that may mean for you, peace does not come. Ukraine is likely to keep an active resistance and Putin is certainly not stopping his invasion of Europe.

Peace only comes upon a notorious and clear defeat of the RF army beyond any excuse or possibility of make-up. The equilibrium that US and Europe are doing at the moment is making the RF army retreat, while not completely destroying it and not creating a situation in which Adolf Putin is removed from the genetic pool of the world, as that would create immense risks.

In all honesty, I am not sure if the US at this point has made a deal with Putin, Tordesillas Treaty style *left for me, right for you". I am going to keep believing that they want Ukraine to have a strong grip in Crimea and would consider great to have the influence of the RF fleet diminished as a minimum.

I am sceptic, but time will tell.