Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 207. (Read 73721 times)

Yeah I'm sure if Russia were to ever use propaganda to build National pride you'd be the first to criticize them. 

Lol!  You really don't see anything wrong with that, do you?  The little wrinkle in your (seemingly almost universal to Ukrainian) strategy is that once you are an admitted (and proud of it!) liar, nobody believes anything you say.  Even when it happens to be factual.

On top of that, the people of Ukraine need your kind of 'hope' like they need a hole in the head.  This false hope has resulted in the death and displacement of probably millions by now and a significantly shrunken area called 'Ukraine', and things promise to get worse from here.  I get the strong sense that that is exactly the goal of a lot of you pricks and your inane bullshit.  Possibly every one of you.  It's interesting that 'your type' seem to have such a strong correlation with the 'merit point cycling club' merry band of influencer retards.

Lol!  You really don't see anything wrong with that, do you?  The little wrinkle in your (seemingly almost universal to Ukrainian) strategy is that once you are an admitted (and proud of it!) liar, nobody believes anything you say.  Even when it happens to be factual.

On top of that, the people of Ukraine need your kind of 'hope' like they need a hole in the head.  This false hope has resulted in the death and displacement of probably millions by now and a significantly shrunken area called 'Ukraine', and things promise to get worse from here.  I get the strong sense that that is exactly the goal of a lot of you pricks and your inane bullshit.  Possibly every one of you.  It's interesting that 'your type' seem to have such a strong correlation with the 'merit point cycling club' merry band of influencer retards.

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The Pentagon’s new “National Defense Strategy” has rejected all limits on using nuclear weapons in the event that Putin refuses to obey its orders to leave Ukraine’s biological weapons laboratories, money laundering operations, and whatever other deep state operations are taking place there alone.

Russia’s “special operation”-turned-“demilitarization” effort in Ukraine is so upsetting to the deep state power structure oppressing the West that the Pentagon is now threatening nuclear war if Vladimir Putin does not immediately withdraw all Russian troops from Ukraine.

The Pentagon’s new “National Defense Strategy” has rejected all limits on using nuclear weapons in the event that Putin refuses to obey its orders to leave Ukraine’s biological weapons laboratories, money laundering operations, and whatever other deep state operations are taking place there alone.

“By the 2030s, the United States will, for the first time in its history, face two major nuclear powers as strategic competitors and potential adversaries,” announced the Department of Defense (DoD) in a long-awaited document – that second power, of course, referring to communist China.

The U.S. response to this, that document goes on to explain, will be to “maintain a very high bar for nuclear employment.” This could include deploying a nuclear response to a non-nuclear strategic threat either to the “homeland” or to U.S. military forces and their allies abroad.
Biden once again caught in LIES after having promised to only use nukes in response to an actual nuclear attack

These statements by the DOD fly in the face of what fake “president” Joe Biden said back in 2020 during his presidential campaign, promising to only use nuclear weapons in response to an enemy’s use of nuclear weapons.
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Since Putin has yet to take the bait, Western deep state powers are getting antsy for the nuclear holocaust they seem to crave. This is why they are now threatening to use nukes even if no other country uses them first in violation of the U.S. “no first use” policy.

All of this is amazing to see unfold, especially since it was the Democrats claiming that Donald Trump was going to lead us all into World War III. It turns out that Trump was a peace-loving president, and it is Biden and his cronies that are desperate to hit the nuke button.

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I like how you conveniently leave out that "their own" hydro and nuclear plants, are actually fully controlled and claimed by Russia to now be totally Russian and don't provide any electricity to Ukraine anymore. But your target audience don't really need to know these inconvenient facts at all right? Why even attempt to be objective when you can just keep on pushing your agenda.

See it's only a loaded question for people spreading propaganda, as by definition they can't even discuss negative outcomes or the precursors to them, where objective people can discuss anything. I for one can and did easily state that if Ukraine in total is still taking land in January, Russia might be loosing, or if Ukraine gets tanks and trillions in new commitment to counter RU mobilization (instead of just warm scarfs, gloves and more ammo) it's another indicator of escalation to which RU's only options are either a tactical nuclear response or a total collapse. See how easy it is when you're not just spreading propaganda?

RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.

RE, blowing of the dam, the news I have (and I do not give much credit either) is that the RF has been considering blowing it up, as it would create a barrier to the Ukrainian current advance in the form of a wasteland of mud. If that happens, it would be when Ukrainian troops get closer and would be fake-informed as an Ukrainian doing.

For Ukraine, there is no strategic, tactical, economical, logistical or even retaliatory value in blowing up Kakhovka dam. There are however excellent reasons to take it intact - including the 357 MW electric generation capability. In terms of getting "even", well, I think Ukraine is trying to avoid that type of answer (I think that their "uncles in the West" are doing a good work at keeping their minds cold).


Technically, Polonium-210 is a radioactive substance, and Adolf Putin used it in the UK in 2006, when killing Litvinenko.


Sadly, the death of  Litvinenko confirms his own assertion of Putin's RF being a Mafia State.

Not that the British  do not like a good mass-murder to make sure "the lesson is not forgotten" (they used to learnt it that way at school at school too). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II


To note, some less reliable sources set the toll at 200,000 killed. I wonder if they though "What is the need for a nuke, when you have phosphor?"

EDIT: I wonder if we should consider the radiation cloud from Chernobyl that was enjoyed by the children on northern and central Europe could be considered as a nuclear attack from the USSR to Europe. They certainly did not tell anyone what was happening - it was Sweden that detected it.




Voulez vous vôtre baguette avec un petit peu d´Uranium?

"what are some major indicators for you that Ukraine might be loosing? [sic]" is a loaded question. I should know better than trying to answer such questions but still, saying that I don't see such "major indicators" or that losing is unlikely - valid answers no matter how much you dislike them.


Putin bombing the shit out of electric supply infrastructure all over Ukraine and also blaming Ukraine for allegedly planning to blow up their own hydro and nuclear plants, typical Russian propaganda projection. "See Ukrainians have these bad terrorist thoughts but we are the good guys totally non-genocidally-terroristically liberating Ukrainians from heat and electricity during the cold season". There are probably some strategists in Kremlin thinking that this will make Ukrainians line the streets waving Russian flags and welcoming the liberators, exactly like they did in Kyiv back in February.

Point is, they want exclusive right on something...if USA do it, its OK, if Russia or China do the same, its "terrorism", "genocide"...

Lol!  You really don't see anything wrong with that, do you?  The little wrinkle in your (seemingly almost universal to Ukrainian) strategy is that once you are an admitted (and proud of it!) liar, nobody believes anything you say.  Even when it happens to be factual.

On top of that, the people of Ukraine need your kind of 'hope' like they need a hole in the head.  This false hope has resulted in the death and displacement of probably millions by now and a significantly shrunken area called 'Ukraine', and things promise to get worse from here.  I get the strong sense that that is exactly the goal of a lot of you pricks and your inane bullshit.  Possibly every one of you.  It's interesting that 'your type' seem to have such a strong correlation with the 'merit point cycling club' merry band of influencer retards.

RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.
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Point is, they want exclusive right on something...if USA do it, its OK, if Russia or China do the same, its "terrorism", "genocide"...

Since it was against one person, there must be thousands of terrorists in Nato, attacking people in different Nato countries.

The word 'terrorism' was coined by governments to eventually give them the excuse to interfere if you and your next door neighbor have a disagreement. Why would they want to interfere? Simply to control people in whatever way they can. Call it what it is, a crime, or maybe a violent crime. Or in the case of nations, a CIA action, even if the CIA isn't involved.

No, he said something technically false. Polonium is radioactive, was used by himself and the terrorist attack (yes, that is terrorism) was carried out in a foreign country.

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Haha playing dumb yet again? Perhaps you should read up on the news first before commenting, i cannot find a mass media outlet that did NOT cover the Ghost of Kyiv. Playing selective ignorance doesn't suit you well at all. You refusal to admit to even knowing a known fakes are quiet telling, guess you don't remember the other "hero" either, the guy who surrendered and received the hero of Ukraine award "posthumously" while in captivity  

Would be a great answer if my question was how likely it was for Ukraine to lose, only it wasn't and you're once again hilariously trying to weasel out of the question by forming another straw man, your attempts at deceptions entertain me

For Ukraine, there is no strategic, tactical, economical, logistical or even retaliatory value in blowing up Kakhovka dam. There are however excellent reasons to take it intact - including the 357 MW electric generation capability. In terms of getting "even", well, I think Ukraine is trying to avoid that type of answer (I think that their "uncles in the West" are doing a good work at keeping their minds cold).

^^^ But Putin isn't talking about radioactive substances. He's talking about nuclear weapons used in war.

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Putin: The only country in the world that has used nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state is the United States of America

A prominent critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin, he advised British intelligence and coined the term "mafia state".[5]

In November 1998, Litvinenko and several other FSB officers publicly accused their superiors of ordering the assassination of the Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky. Litvinenko was arrested the following March on charges of exceeding the authority of his position. He was acquitted in November 1999 but re-arrested before the charges were again dismissed in 2000. He fled with his family to London and was granted asylum in the United Kingdom...

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On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalised after poisoning by polonium-210; he died from the poisoning on 23 November
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A public inquiry began on 27 January 2015,[10] and concluded in January 2016 that Litvinenko's murder was carried out by the two suspects and that they were "probably" acting under the direction of the FSB and with the approval of president Vladimir Putin and then FSB director Nikolai Patrushev.

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The bombing of Dresden was a joint British and American aerial bombing attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, during World War II. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 772 heavy bombers of the Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.[1] The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed more than 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] An estimated 22,700[3] to 25,000[4] people were killed.[a]

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Critics of the bombing have asserted that Dresden was a cultural landmark with little strategic significance, and that the attacks were indiscriminate area bombing and were not proportionate to the military gains.
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The initial evidence that a release of radioactive material had occurred came not from Soviet sources, but from Sweden, where on 28 April[17] (two days after the disaster itself) workers at the Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant (approximately 1100 km from the Chernobyl site) were found to have radioactive particles on their clothing.
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Belarus received about 60%
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The only place I've heard of the Ghost of Kiev was this thread, and I think it was you who posted about it. So I think your understanding of "Western media" and how people use it is severely skewed.

Compelling arguments but I still think that blowing up the dam is a bad idea.


Losing is unlikely with the way things stand now. "(In)conceivable" tends to be a weasel word in this context but I can understand why you would use it.

At the risk of making this a serious thread instead of the clown circus that BA likes, I wonder how would an strategy to take Zapo nuclear plant would look like. It would require an encirclement of quite a length and laser precision in all an any action to avoid and invitation to a rad-party with a +20. It also would need to include a quite difficult river crossing.

I wonder if some independent-thinking psycho could even decide to win the war by himself - one does not get to own a red button every day you know.

You know you have superiority complex, maybe even fascist inclination, when you only
value western media, one that brought us Ghost of Kiev and other such garbage

Don't blow up the dam? But Russia is adding reinforcements to Kherson down the dam and without the dam Crimea would loose its fresh water access. And you know how Russia likes to blow up their gas pipes and shell their nuclear plants, not sure if they can just hold back from blowing up the dam that helps them so much?

Losing when it might be losing, you could've just said that it's inconceivable to you.  

How does Western media make you think there's a fascist inclination?  

You don't really know what fascism means, do you?  Just a word you hear being used to describe bad things.