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October 28, 2022, 11:41:18 AM
RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.
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Lol!  You really don't see anything wrong with that, do you?  The little wrinkle in your (seemingly almost universal to Ukrainian) strategy is that once you are an admitted (and proud of it!) liar, nobody believes anything you say.  Even when it happens to be factual.

On top of that, the people of Ukraine need your kind of 'hope' like they need a hole in the head.  This false hope has resulted in the death and displacement of probably millions by now and a significantly shrunken area called 'Ukraine', and things promise to get worse from here.  I get the strong sense that that is exactly the goal of a lot of you pricks and your inane bullshit.  Possibly every one of you.  It's interesting that 'your type' seem to have such a strong correlation with the 'merit point cycling club' merry band of influencer retards.




As I already said, they publicly feel sorry for Ukrainians and condemn Russians, but when noone looks, they cheer dead Ukrainians the same as they cheer dead Russians
This war is pure profit for them
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October 28, 2022, 11:03:52 AM
RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.
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Lol!  You really don't see anything wrong with that, do you?  The little wrinkle in your (seemingly almost universal to Ukrainian) strategy is that once you are an admitted (and proud of it!) liar, nobody believes anything you say.  Even when it happens to be factual.

On top of that, the people of Ukraine need your kind of 'hope' like they need a hole in the head.  This false hope has resulted in the death and displacement of probably millions by now and a significantly shrunken area called 'Ukraine', and things promise to get worse from here.  I get the strong sense that that is exactly the goal of a lot of you pricks and your inane bullshit.  Possibly every one of you.  It's interesting that 'your type' seem to have such a strong correlation with the 'merit point cycling club' merry band of influencer retards.

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October 28, 2022, 09:34:50 AM
^^^ But Putin isn't talking about radioactive substances. He's talking about nuclear weapons used in war.

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No, he said something technically false. Polonium is radioactive, was used by himself and the terrorist attack (yes, that is terrorism) was carried out in a foreign country.

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Since it was against one person, there must be thousands of terrorists in Nato, attacking people in different Nato countries.

The word 'terrorism' was coined by governments to eventually give them the excuse to interfere if you and your next door neighbor have a disagreement. Why would they want to interfere? Simply to control people in whatever way they can. Call it what it is, a crime, or maybe a violent crime. Or in the case of nations, a CIA action, even if the CIA isn't involved.

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Point is, they want exclusive right on something...if USA do it, its OK, if Russia or China do the same, its "terrorism", "genocide"...
Since you think it's the "same thing"...

Do you think what USA has done is not terrorism or genocide?

Or do you think Russia is committing terrorism and genocide?

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October 28, 2022, 08:48:52 AM
^^^ But Putin isn't talking about radioactive substances. He's talking about nuclear weapons used in war.

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No, he said something technically false. Polonium is radioactive, was used by himself and the terrorist attack (yes, that is terrorism) was carried out in a foreign country.

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Since it was against one person, there must be thousands of terrorists in Nato, attacking people in different Nato countries.

The word 'terrorism' was coined by governments to eventually give them the excuse to interfere if you and your next door neighbor have a disagreement. Why would they want to interfere? Simply to control people in whatever way they can. Call it what it is, a crime, or maybe a violent crime. Or in the case of nations, a CIA action, even if the CIA isn't involved.

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Point is, they want exclusive right on something...if USA do it, its OK, if Russia or China do the same, its "terrorism", "genocide"...
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October 28, 2022, 08:47:07 AM
^^^ But Putin isn't talking about radioactive substances. He's talking about nuclear weapons used in war.

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No, he said something technically false. Polonium is radioactive, was used by himself and the terrorist attack (yes, that is terrorism) was carried out in a foreign country.

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Since it was against one person, there must be thousands of terrorists in Nato, attacking people in different Nato countries.

The word 'terrorism' was coined by governments to eventually give them the excuse to interfere if you and your next door neighbor have a disagreement. Why would they want to interfere? Simply to control people in whatever way they can. Call it what it is, a crime, or maybe a violent crime. Or in the case of nations, a CIA action, even if the CIA isn't involved.

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October 28, 2022, 06:00:47 AM
Haha playing dumb yet again? Perhaps you should read up on the news first before commenting, i cannot find a mass media outlet that did NOT cover the Ghost of Kyiv. Playing selective ignorance doesn't suit you well at all. You refusal to admit to even knowing a known fakes are quiet telling, guess you don't remember the other "hero" either, the guy who surrendered and received the hero of Ukraine award "posthumously" while in captivity  Grin

I didn't claim that the ghost story didn't exist. I just didn't see it until it was posted in this thread. Somehow Branko saw it and you obviously care so much that you googled a bunch of headlines. I think that's quite telling in regards how we use media, "western" or otherwise.

It's also quite telling that the story was debunked by the Ukrainian government many moons ago and "western media" reported the debunking as your quotes indicate, but it continues being brought up as if the "fake" still exists and that the "western media" is lying. I'd take a news source that makes corrections over one that never does.

Would be a great answer if my question was how likely it was for Ukraine to lose, only it wasn't and you're once again hilariously trying to weasel out of the question by forming another straw man, your attempts at deceptions entertain me

"what are some major indicators for you that Ukraine might be loosing? [sic]" is a loaded question. I should know better than trying to answer such questions but still, saying that I don't see such "major indicators" or that losing is unlikely - valid answers no matter how much you dislike them.

For Ukraine, there is no strategic, tactical, economical, logistical or even retaliatory value in blowing up Kakhovka dam. There are however excellent reasons to take it intact - including the 357 MW electric generation capability. In terms of getting "even", well, I think Ukraine is trying to avoid that type of answer (I think that their "uncles in the West" are doing a good work at keeping their minds cold).

Putin bombing the shit out of electric supply infrastructure all over Ukraine and also blaming Ukraine for allegedly planning to blow up their own hydro and nuclear plants, typical Russian propaganda projection. "See Ukrainians have these bad terrorist thoughts but we are the good guys totally non-genocidally-terroristically liberating Ukrainians from heat and electricity during the cold season". There are probably some strategists in Kremlin thinking that this will make Ukrainians line the streets waving Russian flags and welcoming the liberators, exactly like they did in Kyiv back in February.
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October 28, 2022, 05:34:24 AM
^^^ But Putin isn't talking about radioactive substances. He's talking about nuclear weapons used in war.

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No, he said something technically false. Polonium is radioactive, was used by himself and the terrorist attack (yes, that is terrorism) was carried out in a foreign country.

Anyway, the bottom line is correct, only the US, to date, has used a nuclear bomb attack intentionally on another country under the pretext of "ending the war sooner". Many historians have concluded that the attacks at H & N were not really necessary and were not that conclusive to and end of the war.

I guess another of Putin's achievements has been to allow the US to test, in a similar fashion, their latest killing inventions on the slave army.
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October 28, 2022, 05:03:46 AM
^^^ But Putin isn't talking about radioactive substances. He's talking about nuclear weapons used in war.

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October 28, 2022, 03:29:15 AM
RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.

RE, blowing of the dam, the news I have (and I do not give much credit either) is that the RF has been considering blowing it up, as it would create a barrier to the Ukrainian current advance in the form of a wasteland of mud. If that happens, it would be when Ukrainian troops get closer and would be fake-informed as an Ukrainian doing.

For Ukraine, there is no strategic, tactical, economical, logistical or even retaliatory value in blowing up Kakhovka dam. There are however excellent reasons to take it intact - including the 357 MW electric generation capability. In terms of getting "even", well, I think Ukraine is trying to avoid that type of answer (I think that their "uncles in the West" are doing a good work at keeping their minds cold).

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Technically, Polonium-210 is a radioactive substance, and Adolf Putin used it in the UK in 2006, when killing Litvinenko.

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A prominent critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin, he advised British intelligence and coined the term "mafia state".[5]

In November 1998, Litvinenko and several other FSB officers publicly accused their superiors of ordering the assassination of the Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky. Litvinenko was arrested the following March on charges of exceeding the authority of his position. He was acquitted in November 1999 but re-arrested before the charges were again dismissed in 2000. He fled with his family to London and was granted asylum in the United Kingdom...

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On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalised after poisoning by polonium-210; he died from the poisoning on 23 November
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A public inquiry began on 27 January 2015,[10] and concluded in January 2016 that Litvinenko's murder was carried out by the two suspects and that they were "probably" acting under the direction of the FSB and with the approval of president Vladimir Putin and then FSB director Nikolai Patrushev.


Sadly, the death of  Litvinenko confirms his own assertion of Putin's RF being a Mafia State.

Not that the British  do not like a good mass-murder to make sure "the lesson is not forgotten" (they used to learnt it that way at school at school too). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

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The bombing of Dresden was a joint British and American aerial bombing attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, during World War II. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 772 heavy bombers of the Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.[1] The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed more than 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] An estimated 22,700[3] to 25,000[4] people were killed.[a]

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Critics of the bombing have asserted that Dresden was a cultural landmark with little strategic significance, and that the attacks were indiscriminate area bombing and were not proportionate to the military gains.
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To note, some less reliable sources set the toll at 200,000 killed. I wonder if they though "What is the need for a nuke, when you have phosphor?"

EDIT: I wonder if we should consider the radiation cloud from Chernobyl that was enjoyed by the children on northern and central Europe could be considered as a nuclear attack from the USSR to Europe. They certainly did not tell anyone what was happening - it was Sweden that detected it.

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The initial evidence that a release of radioactive material had occurred came not from Soviet sources, but from Sweden, where on 28 April[17] (two days after the disaster itself) workers at the Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant (approximately 1100 km from the Chernobyl site) were found to have radioactive particles on their clothing.
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Belarus received about 60%
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October 27, 2022, 11:54:27 PM
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You know you have superiority complex, maybe even fascist inclination, when you only
value western media, one that brought us Ghost of Kiev and other such garbage

The only place I've heard of the Ghost of Kiev was this thread, and I think it was you who posted about it. So I think your understanding of "Western media" and how people use it is severely skewed.


Haha playing dumb yet again? Perhaps you should read up on the news first before commenting, i cannot find a mass media outlet that did NOT cover the Ghost of Kyiv. Playing selective ignorance doesn't suit you well at all. You refusal to admit to even knowing a known fakes are quiet telling, guess you don't remember the other "hero" either, the guy who surrendered and received the hero of Ukraine award "posthumously" while in captivity  Grin


Don't blow up the dam? But Russia is adding reinforcements to Kherson down the dam and without the dam Crimea would loose its fresh water access. And you know how Russia likes to blow up their gas pipes and shell their nuclear plants, not sure if they can just hold back from blowing up the dam that helps them so much?

Compelling arguments but I still think that blowing up the dam is a bad idea.

Losing when it might be losing, you could've just said that it's inconceivable to you.  

Losing is unlikely with the way things stand now. "(In)conceivable" tends to be a weasel word in this context but I can understand why you would use it.

Would be a great answer if my question was how likely it was for Ukraine to lose, only it wasn't and you're once again hilariously trying to weasel out of the question by forming another straw man, your attempts at deceptions entertain me
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October 27, 2022, 06:31:13 PM
At the risk of making this a serious thread instead of the clown circus that BA likes, I wonder how would an strategy to take Zapo nuclear plant would look like. It would require an encirclement of quite a length and laser precision in all an any action to avoid and invitation to a rad-party with a +20. It also would need to include a quite difficult river crossing.

I wonder if some independent-thinking psycho could even decide to win the war by himself - one does not get to own a red button every day you know.

Putinist TG channels (used to bubble up to the MOD reports as well) often repeat fairy tales about dozens of Ukrainian boats attempting to cross the massive Dnipro reservoir the nuclear plant is next to. Of course the glorious Russian forces repeatedly destroy all those boats but the Ukrainians keep trying. There was also the infamous video of Russians firing at a bridge pylon and claiming it was... yep, a boat. So they seem to have a serious obsession about it.

You know you have superiority complex, maybe even fascist inclination, when you only
value western media, one that brought us Ghost of Kiev and other such garbage

The only place I've heard of the Ghost of Kiev was this thread, and I think it was you who posted about it. So I think your understanding of "Western media" and how people use it is severely skewed.

Don't blow up the dam? But Russia is adding reinforcements to Kherson down the dam and without the dam Crimea would loose its fresh water access. And you know how Russia likes to blow up their gas pipes and shell their nuclear plants, not sure if they can just hold back from blowing up the dam that helps them so much?

Compelling arguments but I still think that blowing up the dam is a bad idea.

Losing when it might be losing, you could've just said that it's inconceivable to you.  

Losing is unlikely with the way things stand now. "(In)conceivable" tends to be a weasel word in this context but I can understand why you would use it.
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October 27, 2022, 05:08:25 PM

You know you have a fake news addiction issue when you have to use Iranian "news" sources to satisfy the craving.


You know you have superiority complex, maybe even fascist inclination, when you only
value western media, one that brought us Ghost of Kiev and other such garbage

How does Western media make you think there's a fascist inclination?  

You don't really know what fascism means, do you?  Just a word you hear being used to describe bad things.

When you listen to long gone President Eisenhower in his last speeches as President, he warnd about the military-industrial complex fascism. It was happening then, decades ago, so why would anybody think that it isn't in the media, now?

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October 27, 2022, 05:04:15 PM

You know you have a fake news addiction issue when you have to use Iranian "news" sources to satisfy the craving.


You know you have superiority complex, maybe even fascist inclination, when you only
value western media, one that brought us Ghost of Kiev and other such garbage

How does Western media make you think there's a fascist inclination?  

You don't really know what fascism means, do you?  Just a word you hear being used to describe bad things.
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October 27, 2022, 05:00:43 PM

All the while the people of Donbas being subject to Ukraine's military killing them and destroying their property.

All the while Ukrainian lands being whisked away to become property of humongous American companies.

All the while some 46 Wuhan-style bio-warfare labs being set up in Ukraine.

All the while the US doing coups in the Ukrainian government since at least 2014.

All the while the Bidens and other Dem leaders laundering money thru Ukraine.

All the while the Ukranian peons being pee'd on and thinking it was simply a nice, warm, friendly spring rain.

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https://i.gyazo.com/26ed9b14804d24690e04daaac25fbb16.png

If Putin simply Bide(n)s his time, with winter coming and all, Ukraine will fall. The US can't take it, because it will mean the crash of the US money system. So...


In Stunning Strategy Reversal, Pentagon Will No Longer Rule Out Use Of Nuclear Weapons


Well, we're finally there: stocks are officially trading off nuclear war headlines.

Moments ago, as part of his closely-watched speech, Vladimir Putin appeared to talk down the likelihood of a nuclear attack in Ukraine:

*PUTIN: NO POLITICAL, MILITARY REASON IN NUKE STRIKE IN UKRAINE

Which, however, is more than can be said about the US.

As Bloomberg just reported, the Pentagon's new National Defense Strategy rejects limits on using nuclear weapons long championed by arms control advocates (and, in the not too distant past, by Joe Bide) citing burgeoning threats from Russia and China.

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October 27, 2022, 04:57:47 PM
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Glad we finally found someone who can speak on behalf of the whole country. Now care to provide an example of a nations that don't want to join NATO (if there are any)? Do Belarusians want to join? Serbs? Taiwanese? Australians? How much resources would it take to "convince" a small nation that they want to join NATO? Is it a stable system, if you have a hegemony and global reserve currency what can possible stop you from endless expansion and consumption of more regions? Congrats you have a solution to perpetual word at war! Possible outcomes of conflict in Ukraine, either things go how they were prior to 2014, or Ukraine enters NATO and it starts all over, world gets dragged into the same thing but now to free people in Belarus because they just want to join NATO so muuch!




I guess if the masses don't question why would Russia shoot at the nuclear power plant that it controls, let people out of Mariupol before taking it over, or blow up their own gas pipeline before it's needed the most, they won't question why would UA's Major General of Defence Intelligence Agency want to take Nova Kakhovka dam under artillery fire control, or how exactly that would accelerate Russian withdrawal? I mean people still believe that Orc's just like to shoot at themselves for fun right?? Roll Eyes Or did CNN started to push RU propaganda?

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The head of Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence Agency, Major Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told CNN on Wednesday, “the Russians are trying to remove and take with them all the remains of their so-called ‘occupation administration’ from Kherson city and surrounding areas.”
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 Russia, he said, “realizes and understands the whole difficulty of their situation and they don’t want to be totally encircled.”

Budanov said the Russian withdrawal will accelerate when Ukraine “takes the Nova Kakhovka dam under our artillery fire control.”

“That’s why all our fighting units are moving towards both Kherson and Nova Kakhovka,” he added.  
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-26-22#h_8270748d1157f665c09b2df10d90501d


The "gas pipes" were blown up by the RF, international experts have expressed serious concerns about Zapo plant being blown as the RF does not accept a demilitarised zone around it. And, most importantly, the control of the dam is key for Crimea as it may restrict (or allow) the water supply, not something to blow up with artillery (another stupid theory - Ukraine blowing up the key to their hold over Crimea) and that is why it may have been mentioned.

Now, go back to the drawing board of your alternate reality. BTW, curiously and as of now, your link points to this headline:
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Ukraine's military intelligence says Russia is reinforcing Kherson with recruits as "cannon fodder"
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Ukraine’s military intelligence says Russia continues to remove its “occupation administration” from the southern Kherson region but is reinforcing the city with recently mobilized recruits and suggests they are being used as “cannon fodder.”

Ah such a concise and clear explanation, so general wants to take the damn under artillery fire because it's a key for Crimea and that's why it'll accelerate Russian withdrawal? Clear as mud, but who cares just need to arrange words in a somewhat readable sentence, targeted audience can't think for themselves anyway.

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"I don't see them [the Russians] running away from Kherson. This is an information attack, I can't disclose everything. This is an attack so that we go there, so that we transfer our troops there from other dangerous directions. It was their [Russian] information operation. They [the Russians] are not ready to leave Kherson. But they know that if we succeed, they won't be able to leave. The Russians are aware of this problem and danger," Zelensky said.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3602356-russians-not-fleeing-from-kherson-besttrained-soldiers-remain-in-place-zelensky.html

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Ukraine Situation Report: Intel Chief Says Russia Is Reinforcing Kherson City
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Blowing the Soviet-era dam, which is controlled by Russia, would unleash a wall of devastating floodwater across much of the Kherson region which Russia last month proclaimed as annexed in the face of a Ukrainian advance.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/is-kakhovka-dam-ukraine-about-be-blown-2022-10-21/

I'm sure by "artillery fire control" what the general really meant was "to secure and provide safety for" and it will accelerate withdrawal because Russians will just piss their pants and run away from such provided safety to the damn! Right? I need this, please lie to me some more!

Ask any friend you have in the military why they want to have a dam they intend to eventually control firstly "in artillery range". Hint 1: When you are not in the enemy's artillery range, the enemy cannot shell your position to dust. Hint 2: if you are under shelling, it is usually a bad idea to stay there. Read carefully: Not the dam, the military positions around the dam. I hope this is correctly understood.

I just said why, but it aaaaalll right... I can say it again: Nearly all the water supply to Crimea comes from the canal on the east bank near the dam. The general is sending a clear message to the world: "The RF is about to loose a critical asset to hold the grip on Crimea".

I rarely say anything categorically, but on this case, it is very clear that it would ridiculously stupid for Ukraine to blow that dam. The sad thing is that, if it ever happens nobody would claim ownership of the f**kup.

Ahhh well now you cleared it up, so when general says when he "takes the Nova Kakhovka dam under our artillery fire control.”  what he's actually talking about is the military positions that just happened to be around the dam, and the dam being in the vicinity of this is just a silly coincidence. Now this is a story i can believe! Why would Ukraine blow up the damn that brings fresh water to Crimea that would be nonsense right?  Undecided



The point is to underline the absurdity of the claims, not sure where you're seeing ura-patriotism!?!

Absurdity of which claims? You're the one throwing a bunch of random stuff out here, mostly Kremlin propaganda in the form of loaded or rhetorical questions. Granted that's quite absurd so mission accomplished I guess.

What is pretty certain that if damn is blown while over 50% of Kherson is under RU control, then Orcs just like to shoot at themselves, if it's blown when UA takes over 50% then RU are terrorists.

Well, that's an easy one to avoid. Don't blow up the dam.
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does it really matter outside of posturing and these forum bickering? What interests me more are concrete indicators of the conflict turning one way or the other. Let me ask you this, what are some major indicators for you that Ukraine might be loosing? (Or it's just inconceivable for you?)

If it starts losing that would be a major indicator that it might be losing....

Don't blow up the dam? But Russia is adding reinforcements to Kherson down the dam and without the dam Crimea would loose its fresh water access. And you know how Russia likes to blow up their gas pipes and shell their nuclear plants, not sure if they can just hold back from blowing up the dam that helps them so much?

Losing when it might be losing, you could've just said that it's inconceivable to you.  
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October 27, 2022, 03:35:00 PM

All the while the people of Donbas being subject to Ukraine's military killing them and destroying their property.

All the while Ukrainian lands being whisked away to become property of humongous American companies.

All the while some 46 Wuhan-style bio-warfare labs being set up in Ukraine.

All the while the US doing coups in the Ukrainian government since at least 2014.

All the while the Bidens and other Dem leaders laundering money thru Ukraine.

All the while the Ukranian peons being pee'd on and thinking it was simply a nice, warm, friendly spring rain.

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At the risk of making this a serious thread instead of the clown circus that BA likes, I wonder how would an strategy to take Zapo nuclear plant would look like. It would require an encirclement of quite a length and laser precision in all an any action to avoid and invitation to a rad-party with a +20. It also would need to include a quite difficult river crossing.

I wonder if some independent-thinking psycho could even decide to win the war by himself - one does not get to own a red button every day you know.

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October 27, 2022, 02:36:00 PM

All the while the people of Donbas being subject to Ukraine's military killing them and destroying their property.

All the while Ukrainian lands being whisked away to become property of humongous American companies.

All the while some 46 Wuhan-style bio-warfare labs being set up in Ukraine.

All the while the US doing coups in the Ukrainian government since at least 2014.

All the while the Bidens and other Dem leaders laundering money thru Ukraine.

All the while the Ukranian peons being pee'd on and thinking it was simply a nice, warm, friendly spring rain.

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The point is to underline the absurdity of the claims, not sure where you're seeing ura-patriotism!?!

Absurdity of which claims? You're the one throwing a bunch of random stuff out here, mostly Kremlin propaganda in the form of loaded or rhetorical questions. Granted that's quite absurd so mission accomplished I guess.

What is pretty certain that if damn is blown while over 50% of Kherson is under RU control, then Orcs just like to shoot at themselves, if it's blown when UA takes over 50% then RU are terrorists.

Well, that's an easy one to avoid. Don't blow up the dam.

I'm just glad that Russians are at least evacuating civilians! Ukraine's window of opportunity is shrinking, winter is coming it'll take away mobility and cover which Ukraine managed to greatly use to its advantage. Ukraine needs to throw in all it got before that, is it enough to take Kherson?

I'm sure your strategic advice is very valuable to the Ukrainian armed forces but they'll probably ignore it and continue doing what they've been successfully doing for the last few months. Here's an illustration in case you forgot.

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i have no idea (i didn't even think UA could take all that land by Kharkiv), do you consider it or Bakhmut a decisive battle?

Bakhmut is a decisive battle for Prigozhin. He desperately needs to show a "victory" to boost his image and get more financing for his criminal army.

does it really matter outside of posturing and these forum bickering? What interests me more are concrete indicators of the conflict turning one way or the other. Let me ask you this, what are some major indicators for you that Ukraine might be loosing?

If it starts losing that would be a major indicator that it might be losing. So far I'd say that all this desperate BS about dirty bombs, and the new cannon fodder returning home boxed-up within a couple of weeks after being mobilized, and the fairy tales about taking Kyiv again - everything points to Russia nowhere near being able to reverse the momentum.
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