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October 19, 2022, 02:09:56 AM

Seems pretty clear that out of control corruption and Yanukovych refusing to sign the trade agreement were the main reasons for the revolution.  Not cookies.  Not even evil America.  The guy was turning Ukraine into a Kleptocracy and not even bothering to pretend he wasn't.  


If corruption is main reason for revolution, and it got WORSE after Yanukovych got overthrown,
why we didn't see more revolutions? Could it be that corrupt money was flowing in right
direction after he got overthrown, so there was no reason and no cookies?


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October 19, 2022, 02:01:54 AM
unless US thinks that our president is a shithead. Then with the help of their cookies, we can totally ignore our constitution and all rule of law, after a coup the most pro-US person is installed in presidents seat

Seems pretty clear that out of control corruption and Yanukovych refusing to sign the trade agreement were the main reasons for the revolution.  Not cookies.  Not even evil America.  The guy was turning Ukraine into a Kleptocracy and not even bothering to pretend he wasn't.  

PS: Ukraines constitution includes joining NATO.
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October 18, 2022, 11:59:34 PM
Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all?

Then it'd be like Russia and that's not a good thing. Instead Ukraine kept having elections even after one of their presidents turned out to be a massive shithead and that's a good thing (the elections, not the shithead).


Oh, well now it's crystal clear, why didn't you just say that earlier...only minor detail left is to define levels of shitheadness. At what level of shitheadness should Article 111 (UA Impeachment) should be enacted (if ever) and at which you can just wipe your ass with the constitution because US cookies showed up on the streets? Yep, sounds like a totally legit democracy.



Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all?

Then it'd be like Russia and that's not a good thing. Instead Ukraine kept having elections even after one of their presidents turned out to be a massive shithead and that's a good thing (the elections, not the shithead).

By now everyone should have figured that DaRude thinks that you can treat a representative system in the same terms as a despotic one. That the police on a representative regime has the same limits than on a Dictatorship, that elections are always sham, (irrespective of having international observers and guarantees), that the only thing than matters is sheer power and being the bigger guy and accepting slavery to survive... And he believes that somehow this is because he has "more clarity" or his analysis is "more independent".

How are you going to have a realistic political discussion with someone who just does not get the concept of freedom or believes that it does not exist?
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You got me! Congrats, your sarcasm detector is in top shape, nothing gets past by you! Yep cause when anyone says representative system* everyone automatically thinks of Ukraine!

And very interesting choice of words, you should read up on Realpolitik. But you probably won't like one of it's main proponents Henry Kissinger's position on Ukraine either.

*unless US thinks that our president is a shithead. Then with the help of their cookies, we can totally ignore our constitution and all rule of law, after a coup the most pro-US person is installed in presidents seat
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October 18, 2022, 11:09:21 PM
Heh heh... Seems that China is not being so 'friendly' to Russia after all... https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/18/russia_china_semiconductro_failure_rates/
Per that article around 40% of the semiconductors that Russia is getting from China are duds...  Cheesy

semisuccessful semiconductors
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October 18, 2022, 01:54:44 PM
Heh heh... Seems that China is not being so 'friendly' to Russia after all... https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/18/russia_china_semiconductro_failure_rates/
Per that article around 40% of the semiconductors that Russia is getting from China are duds...  Cheesy
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October 18, 2022, 11:24:33 AM

^^^ Love that video. Thanks. Ukraine's help from the US and EU will dry up, even if it takes a little while.
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Good, good... keep waiting for it to dry up. Patience is an important virtue - sometimes you can a whole life waiting for something to happen.


It will only take until the next US Presidential election. Of course, Biden might push for nuclear war, first. But, nuclear war would have similar results, only far more widespread than Ukraine and Russia.

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October 18, 2022, 11:12:46 AM
Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all?

Then it'd be like Russia and that's not a good thing. Instead Ukraine kept having elections even after one of their presidents turned out to be a massive shithead and that's a good thing (the elections, not the shithead).

By now everyone should have figured that DaRude thinks that you can treat a representative system in the same terms as a despotic one. That the police on a representative regime has the same limits than on a Dictatorship, that elections are always sham, (irrespective of having international observers and guarantees), that the only thing than matters is sheer power and being the bigger guy and accepting slavery to survive... And he believes that somehow this is because he has "more clarity" or his analysis is "more independent".

How are you going to have a realistic political discussion with someone who just does not get the concept of freedom or believes that it does not exist?

^^^ Love that video. Thanks. Ukraine's help from the US and EU will dry up, even if it takes a little while.
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Good, good... keep waiting for it to dry up. Patience is an important virtue - sometimes you can a whole life waiting for something to happen.
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October 18, 2022, 10:10:44 AM
^^^ Love that video. Thanks. Ukraine's help from the US and EU will dry up, even if it takes a little while.

Cool
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October 17, 2022, 11:02:56 PM
This vid is making the rounds.  It may or may not be completely on it's own merits as being pretty funny,  and that it certainly is:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/ujYwwj9sfbOt/

A brief skim of 'INN', who seems to have created and/or distributed the cartoon, indicates that INN can be categorized as 'Judaizers'.  That is to say, their strategy is based upon the concept of getting Christians to believe in and work for certain things which are consider by the implementors as progress.  Especially Zionism.

Since near the start of the Ukraine thing I have entertained the hypothesis that some entity is using both the West and Russia to reduce the number of Slavs in Ukraine and emasculate those who remain.  The most likely reason for doing so would be to make way for a new population.  This would imply significant relationships within the higher levels of leadership within both Russia and the Western 'democracies'.  It would also imply a fair degree of stagecraft.  Fake disagreements, clownish leadership puppets, etc.

Anyway, dead Ukrainians (Russia's specialty) are a buried non-problem.  Migrants to the West pose a future issue if they might want to return.  The cartoon seems to imply that Russia and the West will need to work together to solve this issue.  I'll be watching with interest how the partitioning of Ukraine goes.

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October 17, 2022, 08:15:43 PM
Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all?

Then it'd be like Russia and that's not a good thing. Instead Ukraine kept having elections even after one of their presidents turned out to be a massive shithead and that's a good thing (the elections, not the shithead).
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October 17, 2022, 07:18:05 PM
Are you saying that you think the general population of Ukraine doesn't want to join NATO, the EU, embrace western values and instead would prefer to become part of Putins Kleptocracy?  

Apparently all they want is cookies.

But for some inexplicable reason Putin can't give them cookies while (allegedly) being capable of boosting Crimea's economy and the imaginary Russian side of the future split Ukraine.

It's almost as if Ukrainians don't like Russian cookies. I wonder why that is.

Regardless how many times you continue to repeat that, facts will continue to prove otherwise. Good luck trying to fool everyone and pretending as if Ukraine didn't pick a pro Russian president in 2010 who US/Europe and the world acknowledged (before cookies showed up 4 years later [surely pro EU president would've won next, US brought cookies to the coup cause they just couldn't wait whole 11months for a legal peaceful transition Roll Eyes])

Seems pretty clear that out of control corruption and Yanukovych refusing to sign the trade agreement were the main reasons for the revolution.  Not cookies.  Not even evil America.  The guy was turning Ukraine into a Kleptocracy and not even bothering to pretend he wasn't.  
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Regardless how many times you continue to repeat that, facts will continue to prove otherwise. Good luck trying to fool everyone and pretending as if Ukraine didn't pick a pro Russian president in 2010 who US/Europe and the world acknowledged (before cookies showed up 4 years later [surely pro EU president would've won next, US brought cookies to the coup cause they just couldn't wait whole 11months for a legal peaceful transition Roll Eyes])

Ukraine elects a pro-Russian president: "picked"
Ukraine elects a non-pro-Russian president (after the aforementioned ran away): COUP! COOKIES!

Despite the actual facts (not Kremlin fantasies) - like the laws Yanik tried to push through - that point to him being a wannabe-Lukashenko and trying to create a puppet totalitarian shithole for Putin.

But how could Ukraine not want to be like Belarus. Unimaginable.

Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all? Whenever something clears the burden of "pretty clear" to you two judges, just have a coup and claim that majority wanted it that way, why even bother asking general population. Don't even need to follow any impeachment protocols, and if US ambassador and undersecretary of state get caught on record pushing for this, and handing out cookies to your side than that's even better. I'm sure people of Donetsk that overwhelmingly voted for their ex Governor of Donetsk Yanukovych into presidents office totally agreed with that, just tell them that he ran away to get milk 11month before reelection and never came back, who wouldn't believe that story?? Quick someone pass this genius approach to Tories in UK and January 6 commission in the US
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October 17, 2022, 06:09:20 PM
Newly mobilized talks about being cannon fodder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC96cnmPfB4

Great Russian Army?
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October 17, 2022, 02:36:59 PM
Meanwhile in Russia, their fighter plane crashed into apartment building in Krasnodar, which is located near to Ukraine and Crimea, killed at least
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/aircraft-crashes-into-residential-building-russian-city-yeysk-agencies-2022-10-17/
That moment when I don't even know what to say them.
While Russia have zero achievements in front in last few moments, their desparate attacks with Shahed drones continues. Every day they attack Ukrainian cities and civillian infrastructure, killing inoccent people. I'm just wondering how much it will help them in front and how many mikitary objects with these mopeds they actually detroyed. It's rhetorical question.
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October 17, 2022, 09:22:39 AM
Regardless how many times you continue to repeat that, facts will continue to prove otherwise. Good luck trying to fool everyone and pretending as if Ukraine didn't pick a pro Russian president in 2010 who US/Europe and the world acknowledged (before cookies showed up 4 years later [surely pro EU president would've won next, US brought cookies to the coup cause they just couldn't wait whole 11months for a legal peaceful transition Roll Eyes])

Ukraine elects a pro-Russian president: "picked"
Ukraine elects a non-pro-Russian president (after the aforementioned ran away): COUP! COOKIES!

Despite the actual facts (not Kremlin fantasies) - like the laws Yanik tried to push through - that point to him being a wannabe-Lukashenko and trying to create a puppet totalitarian shithole for Putin.

But how could Ukraine not want to be like Belarus. Unimaginable.
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October 17, 2022, 05:24:35 AM

IRIS-T as demanded by Zelenskij...('Like NOW you limp-dick Sitzpinkeln German mutherfuckers.')

 - "The cost of one Nasams battery is $23 million with one Amraam missile costs more than $1.2 million"

 - A kilo of good quality coke for NaZiocon acting troupe to split up,  Free from CIA.


Shabah-136:

 - Loitering chainsaw - About $20k ea:
 - Used rebar to fabricate a launch frame:  $0  (plenty available at the former Ukroid defensive fortifications.)


"Pretty simple math, eh Bob?"



This is me trying to decipher you crap. US and EU are sending advance air defence systems since Adolf Putin decided to destroy civil infrastructure unrelated to war (wanton destruction - a war crime). What is the point about speaking about drugs and rebar?

Again wattabouting, cocaine may be very likely be legalised before the turn of the decade. War on drugs is non-sense - as long as you have poor people, there will be no shortage and as long as US guys crazy about blowing up their noses anything smaller than a pea - and cartels are destroying half of Latin America.
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October 17, 2022, 05:17:25 AM

IRIS-T as demanded by Zelenskij...('Like NOW you limp-dick Sitzpinkeln German mutherfuckers.')

 - "The cost of one Nasams battery is $23 million with one Amraam missile costs more than $1.2 million"

 - A kilo of good quality coke for NaZiocon acting troupe to split up,  Free from CIA.


Shabah-136:

 - Loitering chainsaw - About $20k ea:
 - Used rebar to fabricate a launch frame:  $0  (plenty available at the former Ukroid defensive fortifications.)


"Pretty simple math, eh Bob?"

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October 17, 2022, 05:07:57 AM
There was a shooting at a military base in Belgorod region. I mean the bad kind of shooting, not like a training exercise. Two or three armed individuals (according to RF MOD - "terrorists", according to some other reports - mobilized soldiers) fired at other mobilized soldiers and killed between 10 and 22, injured 15 or more. MOD says the "terrorists" are citizens of CIS, meaning the moribund post-Soviet union involving Russia, Belarus, etc, but in this case they most likely mean a person from Central Asia. If they were among the mobilized, that would explain how an armed foreign (presumably dual) citizen managed to get into a military base. Motive was allegedly religion-based, which works well for Russian propaganda - islamic terrorism and the entire evil world against the righteous Russian dictatorship. They might try to tie it to Ukraine as well.

https://ria.ru/20221015/terakt-1824340408.html

Against this background, the news of a week ago looks very revealing, when human rights activists reported that labor migrants from Central Asian countries were being forced to sign a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense in various dishonest ways. It seems to be a direct consequence of such a bestial attitude towards migrants.

https://holod.media/2022/10/09/v-rossii-migrantov-iz-czentralnoj-azii-obmanom-zastavlyayut-podpisyvat-voennye-kontrakty/

Try this for starters: Here's Why Sanctions Actually Help Russia - https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/heres-why-sanctions-actually-help-russia/ri41.
Oh, such nonsense has just started to be said since about 2014. It's funny that you gave a link to an article from 2015. I was hoping that you would give me something more weighty, for example, a list of factories and industries that have been opened on the territory of Russia in cooperation with China. Or at least the news that Russia and China now have a visa-free regime, you can stay in the country all year round and freely buy real estate with rubbles. There is no such thing either? Maybe goods from China have become much cheaper for Russians? Unfortunately, no.
But you are partly right. Only with a small note: there is a lot of benefit from sanctions for China. They got a chance to buy Russia's natural resources with almost no profit for Russia.

Short term, the RF can deal with sanctions, but certainly is not benefiting from them. Long term, they cannot do without the tech and the demand from developed countries.

Whatabouting on China, Xi has stated again that they are going to COVID-suicide their economy maintaining the zero tolerance and shutting down cities as required. Perhaps this is not the ideal partner (not that ever was) for a fruitful relationship hu?
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October 17, 2022, 02:42:26 AM
Are you saying that you think the general population of Ukraine doesn't want to join NATO, the EU, embrace western values and instead would prefer to become part of Putins Kleptocracy?  

Apparently all they want is cookies.

But for some inexplicable reason Putin can't give them cookies while (allegedly) being capable of boosting Crimea's economy and the imaginary Russian side of the future split Ukraine.

It's almost as if Ukrainians don't like Russian cookies. I wonder why that is.

Regardless how many times you continue to repeat that, facts will continue to prove otherwise. Good luck trying to fool everyone and pretending as if Ukraine didn't pick a pro Russian president in 2010 who US/Europe and the world acknowledged (before cookies showed up 4 years later [surely pro EU president would've won next, US brought cookies to the coup cause they just couldn't wait whole 11months for a legal peaceful transition Roll Eyes])

Seems pretty clear that out of control corruption and Yanukovych refusing to sign the trade agreement were the main reasons for the revolution.  Not cookies.  Not even evil America.  The guy was turning Ukraine into a Kleptocracy and not even bothering to pretend he wasn't.  


Unrelated, but just for fun.  For whatever reason this silly thing made me LOL.  I've a weakness for the ridiculous I suppose.

  Iranian drone in Ukraine - The animation
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/rV0GNGqDsQSc/

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On the satellite thing:

You can tell when something is super-important and threatening because it is wiped completely off the discussion table.  That includes almost all of the 'alternative' platforms as well as the mainstream platforms.  Such seems to be the case with satellites and network connectivity.  Either that or all you ni...s most people are to dumb to realize the significance even as it is glaringly obvious in 'the lines on the map moving from side to side' sort of way.

It's been said that 'data is the new oil', and it's more than just a catchy jingle to bait investors.  The correlation between 'pipelines' and 'backbone connectivity' is high, and that includes transport terrain.

The reason this is related to crypto-currency, and the '4th industrial revolution', is that said revolution is contingent on reliable infrastructure to support the new economic model which, at a fundamental level, is about an economic currency backed by energy.  Use of energy is analogous to the arterial system while the digital network is the nervous system. The Nordstream-II was analogous to an attack on the jugular while attacks on the network infra would be attacks on the spinal cord (and result in varying degrees of paralysis.)

If there is one thing I fear in this world is that the WEF-associated freaks have the latitude to shape the 4th industrial revolution to their liking because it would make modern urban China with it's total enslavement look like a bastion of freedom.  Anyway, that's why I care.

A hypothesis of mine is that Space-X's business model had hope of being successful because it ignored the very expensive proposition of protecting infrastructure against attack.  Their competition such as the Hughes class are more deeply rooted in the military industrial complex and probably did spend more on this aspect on their products.  Looks to me as though Russia used some [probably 50 year old so as not to give away their secrets] technology and demonstrated to Musk that Nazilink is totally fucked globally if Putin decide it is so.  Likely the Western MIC did likewise and now poor old Elon 'doesn't know whether to shit or go blind' as we say in my part of the world.

Whatever Musk does is fine by me because, again, it stands to set back their 'Agenda-20{nn} carbon-backed monetary system' hopes by a fair margin.  Crypto, because it is super simple and not unnecessarily overly bloated in the case of Bitcoin, stands to work fine even if all the satellites turn into space junk and all the trunk fiber on land or under sea end up at /dev/null.

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Another semi-retarded thought I had is that back in the day, before energy/data pipelines, it used to be 'a thing' to create buffer states such Belgium.  Now there is a turning.

If somehow Poland could be enticed into putting boots on the ground in Ukraine, NATO article 5 could be considered null and void.  That could open up the opportunity to create a 'land-bridge' between Russia (by way of Belarus or otherwise) to Germany and Kaliningrad.  A land-locked Poland could be a reality if that happened, but it is even more likely if Germany recognizes that their sole hope in this world is to switch sides.

It would be good to keep Poland around because everyone needs to set aside some land as a garbage dump for trash like displaced Nazi's, Zionists and like religious/satanist freaks, etc.  I maintain that it is wrong to kill them outright as some people prefer, but that's just me.  Better to study them for a more rigorous understanding of the threats and dangers they pose...and their past crimes.  Technology associated with the analysis of the living brain is another frontier on which great technical strides have been made and it could be a highly useful tool in such an endeavor.  Useful tool to assist in the selection of any leader in any country in fact.




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October 17, 2022, 02:28:38 AM
Unrelated, but just for fun.  For whatever reason this silly thing made me LOL.  I've a weakness for the ridiculous I suppose.

  Iranian drone in Ukraine - The animation
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/rV0GNGqDsQSc/

---

On the satellite thing:

You can tell when something is super-important and threatening because it is wiped completely off the discussion table.  That includes almost all of the 'alternative' platforms as well as the mainstream platforms.  Such seems to be the case with satellites and network connectivity.  Either that or all you ni...s most people are to dumb to realize the significance even as it is glaringly obvious in 'the lines on the map moving from side to side' sort of way.

It's been said that 'data is the new oil', and it's more than just a catchy jingle to bait investors.  The correlation between 'pipelines' and 'backbone connectivity' is high, and that includes transport terrain.

The reason this is related to crypto-currency, and the '4th industrial revolution', is that said revolution is contingent on reliable infrastructure to support the new economic model which, at a fundamental level, is about an economic currency backed by energy.  Use of energy is analogous to the arterial system while the digital network is the nervous system. The Nordstream-II was analogous to an attack on the jugular while attacks on the network infra would be attacks on the spinal cord (and result in varying degrees of paralysis.)

If there is one thing I fear in this world is that the WEF-associated freaks have the latitude to shape the 4th industrial revolution to their liking because it would make modern urban China with it's total enslavement look like a bastion of freedom.  Anyway, that's why I care.

A hypothesis of mine is that Space-X's business model had hope of being successful because it ignored the very expensive proposition of protecting infrastructure against attack.  Their competition such as the Hughes class are more deeply rooted in the military industrial complex and probably did spend more on this aspect on their products.  Looks to me as though Russia used some [probably 50 year old so as not to give away their secrets] technology and demonstrated to Musk that Nazilink is totally fucked globally if Putin decide it is so.  Likely the Western MIC did likewise and now poor old Elon 'doesn't know whether to shit or go blind' as we say in my part of the world.

Whatever Musk does is fine by me because, again, it stands to set back their 'Agenda-20{nn} carbon-backed monetary system' hopes by a fair margin.  Crypto, because it is super simple and not unnecessarily overly bloated in the case of Bitcoin, stands to work fine even if all the satellites turn into space junk and all the trunk fiber on land or under sea end up at /dev/null.

--

Another semi-related thought I had is that back in the day, before energy/data pipelines, it used to be 'a thing' to create buffer states such Belgium.  Now there is a turning.

If somehow Poland could be enticed into putting boots on the ground in Ukraine, NATO article 5 could be considered null and void.  That could open up the opportunity to create a 'land-bridge' between Russia (by way of Belarus or otherwise) to Germany and Kaliningrad.  A land-locked Poland could be a reality if that happened, but it is even more likely if Germany recognizes that their sole hope in this world is to switch sides.

It would be good to keep Poland around because everyone needs to set aside some land as a garbage dump for trash like displaced Nazi's, Zionists and like religious/satanist freaks, etc.  I maintain that it is wrong to kill them outright as some people prefer, but that's just me.  Better to study them for a more rigorous understanding of the threats and dangers they pose...and their past crimes.  Technology associated with the analysis of the living brain is another frontier on which great technical strides have been made and it could be a highly useful tool in such an endeavor.  Useful tool to assist in the selection of any leader in any country in fact.

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October 17, 2022, 01:36:50 AM
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Not sure if your assessment could be anymore wrong. If you really want to solve the problem, you need to start at the root cause of the problem, and not at its symptoms. You cannot box by the rules when the other guy is twice your size and doesn't follow them, that's just not how the real world works. US having a full hegemony put in place some terrible precedence, "operations" instead of wars, private military companies, use of nukes, financial and political coercion of other governments, disregarding international laws, sanctioning international court judges, human rights abuses, bombing of other nations infrastructure without UN etc etc etc... And now when (so far) local conflict touches you personally you cannot possibly act surprised when the world doesn't rise up on your calls that NOW suddenly everyone should start to care about the rules and start changing things  Roll Eyes We're back to the ‘For my friends, everything, for my enemies, the law’ logic. Laws either have to be consistent or shouldn't exist. Arbitrary application of laws, double standards and hypocrisy just makes a mockery of the whole system. Biggest players should start following laws before trying to shame others, it's akin of discussing global police abuse and starting with Ukraine while not mentioning police issues in US/Russia/China (cause suchmoon would be yelling whataboutism). It would be obvious to even casual observer that there's agenda at play and Ukraine is being used as a scapegoat.

It's an illusion, Ukraine is not big enough to hold on it's own, so it must submit to one Tzar or the other. Ukraine is already in shackles with A $20 billion programme would be the second largest currently active loan from the IMF after Argentina. All of this is outside of Ukraine's control, and i have nothing but pity for the people, as they're just pawns in this big game. But at the same time when two behemoths are battling it out, I'm very skeptical of any small nation that would willingly make itself into a battlefront proclaiming that it's protecting/fighting for the survival of one of the behemoths. Smart thing would be to stay quiet and watch how it plays out (like almost everyone else is doing). Either Grandiose delusions or people have been brainwashed into doing someone else's bidding by constant propaganda of being "de facto" in NATO and fighting for Poland/NATO/EU/Papua New Guinea/the World. Outcome is already shaping out and this is how it'll be sold to the people:

  • Russia-we got more land out of this and kept our dominance on EU resource markets
  • US-with only few billion spent and minimal losses we set Russia back some X years
  • Europe-WTF just happened!?!
  • Ukraine-Sure with the great decisions by our leadership we lost more of our population and land than was even discussed and agreed to at the beginning during negotiations, but take comfort in knowing that we saved Galapagos islands, we realize that this hypothetical cannot possibly be checked, so population just needs to trust us when we say if we haven't thrown tens? hundreds? of thousands of our soldiers at this, Orcs would've taken over Lviv and Galapagos islands would be next! Hooray to great decisions!
  • China- Grin

Human rights in middle east is shit. But now ask yourself why is it so? Then ask what is the currency in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Jordan, UAE (Dubai), Bahrain, and Qatar? Surely they are not all pegged and completely reliant to USD couldn't be right?? Now ask yourself why there so much human rights abuse in those countries? Is that cause with total financial control US just can't do anything about it? Or because US doesn't want to do anything about it, all of the money it sends there for oil still stays in it's own financial system anyway, which US can later use to offer bigger cookie to Ukrain/Belarus/Kazakhstan/Taiwan countries surrounding other world powers. And people, people just want to live their lives and are easily influence by a talking head on their TV box offering a bigger cookie until suddenly they find themselves fighting for their lives. Now ask yourself how are your proposals for "changes" will break this cycle and prevent this from happening over and over and over... again, or are these just superficial changes really intended to just prolong the current status quo

Could you please stop wall-texting to basically say nothing or state facts that are contrary to what we are seeing?

Again, you have to concede to anyone that is bigger. False, when someone is bigger and you concede you become a slave. You fight, you look for allies and you let the bastard know that there hell to pay for aggression. That is what you are looking at in Ukraine.

Again, you have been living for too long under despots and thieves - you have lost you will to fight and you think the rest of the people are like you.

Russia diplomatic stance has been fucked. Land? It is still yet to see what do they hold to - bearing in mind that the Donbas is not even a rich region.
Europe has been damaged, now it finally gets the incentive needed to diversify energy and suppliers.
US is super happy of fucking Adolf Putin's army.

My apologies if I do not go through all your wall... it is just repetitive and very biased.

I'm sorry that you're struggling to read few lines of text, following your logic, regardless how you feel about them, you think Cuba is so much better off now that they decided to stand up and fight US? Or now you're going to explain how that's somehow completely different?
Have you considered that if Europe could stay competitive while importing US freedom LNG, no one would bother to bring Georgia and Ukraine into NATO in the first place? Geography can be unfair, there are costs to hedging and sometime those costs can be prohibitive.
Russia is lining up with Iran and China, enemy of my enemy thing. It would be very short sighted for US to be happy about that.



  • Ukraine-Sure with the great decisions by our leadership we lost more of our population and land than was even discussed and agreed to at the beginning during negotiations, but take comfort in knowing that we saved Galapagos islands, we realize that this hypothetical cannot possibly be checked, so population just needs to trust us when we say if we haven't thrown tens? hundreds? of thousands of our soldiers at this, Orcs would've taken over Lviv and Galapagos islands would be next! Hooray to great decisions!


Or : Sure with the great decisions by our leadership, we still exist as a country, closer to the west with hope of joining EU and eventually NATO,  and don't have to live in a Kleptocracy.


The whole "they should have just let Putin win" is such a stupid argument.

Sure, technically such logic could still be used to explain not following Minsk agreements even if Russia takes Kyiv and capital moves to Zakarpattia. Should hold in all cases unless leadership is completely dismantled, then it's back to we were protecting NATO with out lives. I guess that's where negotiations come in all sides will need a way to sell this as a victory for their people.



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Or maybe Ukrainians just don't want to be in or with Russia, just like nearly all countries in Eastern Europe after the fall of the Soviet block.

You can yell "cookies" all you want but anyone following politics in the aforementioned countries for the last 30 years could see that these countries had all sorts of issues, pendulum swings left and right, pro- and anti-EU/US/NATO etc, but most still somehow ended up on the western side of the newly-being-erected iron curtain, with exceptions being authoritarian shitholes like Belarus and the like.

There are many good reasons for this, all vividly illustrated now in Ukraine. Who could have know that people might not like to be invaded and ruled by a KGB psychopath. But wait, no, it must be some evil US plot. Maybe Clinton installed Putin back in 1999 and is puppeting him into doing all these evil things.

Just need to oppress other continents/countries to channel the cookies to the "right" places to keep up their standard of living, what idiot wouldn't want to be on the cookie receiving side?!?! To rip the benefit you just need to make sure to be born in the right place closer to the demarcation line. I'm sure your set commitments won't let you agree to that, so let's try to relate to Crimea, surely you'd agree that lots of money was channeled to that region to make it more "appealing" most likely at a cost of other regions. That's how geopolitics work, and the benefit of hegemony is the ability to do that on a much larger scale, bigger cookies with bigger oppression. If Ukraine is to be split you can be sure that both sides of Ukraine will benefit generously from both world powers and receive creme de la creme at cost of others, as both sides need to make an example out of it

Are you saying that you think the general population of Ukraine doesn't want to join NATO, the EU, embrace western values and instead would prefer to become part of Putins Kleptocracy?  

It's a loaded question, your phrasing makes it rhetorical. e.g. Would majority like to live in Luxembourg or in Siberia without central plumbing. Or would majority prefer to live in Moldova with ~10% of population in absolute poverty or in Crimea? Speculating that what general population thinks it wants would directly correlate to the mass media covering their region. That is, regions with UA media coverage are probably brainwashed to think that they'll become next Germany just if they join EU, and RU coverage side probably believes that they'll have no poverty, cheap resources, cheap education, stability, family values etc... To be realistic, i don't think any country can be successful and share a boarder with a super power while being anti that super power. Essentially it would be a ticking time bomb, look at Cuba/Taiwan, history shows that no power would accept that in it's "backyard" and they're dooming themselves into perpetual struggle and first point for any conflict. Plus direct proximity naturally leads to intermarriage, mixed families, language culture etc... Honestly best outcome would've been a buffer state, neutral like Switzerland used to be, but seeing how we're reaching the pinnacle of escalations that ship might've already sailed.



Are you saying that you think the general population of Ukraine doesn't want to join NATO, the EU, embrace western values and instead would prefer to become part of Putins Kleptocracy?  

Apparently all they want is cookies.

But for some inexplicable reason Putin can't give them cookies while (allegedly) being capable of boosting Crimea's economy and the imaginary Russian side of the future split Ukraine.

It's almost as if Ukrainians don't like Russian cookies. I wonder why that is.

Regardless how many times you continue to repeat that, facts will continue to prove otherwise. Good luck trying to fool everyone and pretending as if Ukraine didn't pick a pro Russian president in 2010 who US/Europe and the world acknowledged (before cookies showed up 4 years later [surely pro EU president would've won next, US brought cookies to the coup cause they just couldn't wait whole 11months for a legal peaceful transition Roll Eyes])

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