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November 11, 2022, 05:51:18 PM
Once the US (Zelensky) is pushed out of Ukraine (or assassinated), there will be peace.


Ukraine's Largest and Most Modern City has No Electricity or Running Water...


The plight of people living in Ukraine has taken a backseat to the theatrics of the U.S. mid-term elections for the past week or so, so if you have not seen any of the news reports coming out of Ukraine, it appears that the war is effectively over, as the capital city of Kyiv, along with other major urban areas, have had their infrastructure destroyed, as people face cold weather with no electricity, and have to line up for hours just to get water.

There is an old lesson of warfare that says "never believe your own propaganda."

After the initial Russian strikes against Ukraine's power grids and infrastructure the general narrative was that Russian cruise missiles and drones were ineffective, inaccurate and that the country's utilities would be back up and running in no time.  The message was reticent of previous propaganda out of Ukraine which requires constant theatrics of impending victory.  As long as they act as if they are winning, billions in NATO dollars will continue to flow.

Russian tactics were decidedly restrained in the early months of the conflict, with the Kremlin mostly avoiding precision attacks on vital resources, including power, water and internet.  This is a departure from traditional military doctrine, which the US followed when it invaded Iraq and decimated vast segments of their grid utilities at the onset of the war.

The Russian pull-back to lines in the Donbas region was a clear indication that their strategy was about to change and that wider strikes were inevitable.

Now, Ukraine's grid amenities are being systematically destroyed, and it is reported that Ukrainians in major cities like Kyiv are lining up for blocks daily just to fill a few meager jugs with fresh water at city well pumps.

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Looks like Washington isn't so willing any longer.


Shakedown! Kiev Sends Lawmakers To DC To Demand New Congress Keeps Money Flowing


Ukrainian parliamentarians are set to descend on Capitol Hill to make sure newly-elected US Representatives and Senators continue to shovel endless dollars into their black hole. The irony is that the trip to lobby us for MORE money is paid for in the first place by OUR money! Also today: this week's election makes it clear that a national divorce is needed...but the Fed's tyranny keeps all of us shackled together whether we like it or not.


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November 11, 2022, 05:00:28 PM
Are you defending Russia or what?  What is your point?  Could you attempt to articulate a point please?

My point is: "Stop been hypocrite"

Maybe you should stop assuming that anyone who thinks it's fucked up what Russia is doing today supports every decision the US or UK or any other country has made over the past 60 years.  For example, I think the US is doing the right thing by supporting Ukraine.  That doesn't mean I think they did the right thing when they invaded Iraq 20 years ago.  I think the US as wrong to invade Iraq, but right to help Ukraine when they were invaded by Russia.  

Russia is invading Ukraine today.  That's what this thread is about.  Well, I guess technically they're retreating from Ukraine today.  But you know what I mean.




I'm member on few USA forums for around 20 years...I noticed that current war is ALWAYS the just one for Americans...then after its over, they
start accusing Bush, Cheney, military industrial complex, CIA...verbally accusing, that is, noone ever get to court because of a posteriori American
wisdom

And now you're in the same position as the Americans 20 years ago...supporting their country while it invades and kills innocent people.... is that your point?
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November 11, 2022, 04:27:14 PM
Are you defending Russia or what?  What is your point?  Could you attempt to articulate a point please?

My point is: "Stop been hypocrite"

Maybe you should stop assuming that anyone who thinks it's fucked up what Russia is doing today supports every decision the US or UK or any other country has made over the past 60 years.  For example, I think the US is doing the right thing by supporting Ukraine.  That doesn't mean I think they did the right thing when they invaded Iraq 20 years ago.  I think the US as wrong to invade Iraq, but right to help Ukraine when they were invaded by Russia.  

Russia is invading Ukraine today.  That's what this thread is about.  Well, I guess technically they're retreating from Ukraine today.  But you know what I mean.




I'm member on few USA forums for around 20 years...I noticed that current war is ALWAYS the just one for Americans...then after its over, they
start accusing Bush, Cheney, military industrial complex, CIA...verbally accusing, that is, noone ever get to court because of a posteriori American
wisdom
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November 11, 2022, 12:39:14 PM
Finally there are crowds in the streets in a major Ukrainian city greeting soldiers entering said city. Almost exactly like Kremlin planned, except for one tiny detail.


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November 11, 2022, 12:30:20 PM
Finally there are crowds in the streets in a major Ukrainian city greeting soldiers entering said city. Almost exactly like Kremlin planned, except for one tiny detail.
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November 11, 2022, 07:23:43 AM
Are you defending Russia or what?  What is your point?  Could you attempt to articulate a point please?

My point is: "Stop been hypocrite"

Maybe you should stop assuming that anyone who thinks it's fucked up what Russia is doing today supports every decision the US or UK or any other country has made over the past 60 years.  For example, I think the US is doing the right thing by supporting Ukraine.  That doesn't mean I think they did the right thing when they invaded Iraq 20 years ago.  I think the US as wrong to invade Iraq, but right to help Ukraine when they were invaded by Russia.  

Russia is invading Ukraine today.  That's what this thread is about.  Well, I guess technically they're retreating from Ukraine today.  But you know what I mean.

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November 11, 2022, 07:06:03 AM
Suchmoon would be shouting whattabout a few comments ago.

LOL yeah but whataboutism is all they have.

I saw in one Z voenkor telegram that he still believe that's part of Putin's smart plan.

I've seen lots of "coping"...

  • some say there was an agreement between Putin and NATO to let Russians retreat but evil Ukrainians broke the agreement and started shooting
  • some are starting to blame general Armageddon Surovikin who was their hero for bombing power plants but turned out to be as full of shit as the rest of the MOD (claiming Ukrainians lose 7-8 more personnel in fighting but for some inexplicable reason Russians need to retreat)
  • some claim that Russian forces fully evacuated days ago so there can't possibly be thousands of them left in the "kettle"
  • obviously Kakhovka dam and dirty bomb claims are making rounds again

All solid indications that the clusterfuck in Kherson is as good or even better than the one near Kharkov.
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November 11, 2022, 05:37:51 AM
When is the victory celebration in Kherson? I am asking because you are the expert on dates of victory celebrations. LOL.

Is it this weekend or is it moved to the next weekend?

And a follow-up question, when do Russians plan to 'regroup' to Moscow oblast? You know, to save the lives of Russian soldiers and civilians.

I'm a bit worried about him. He haven't logged in since the announcement about retreat from Kherson. It would be very interesting to read what he would say about it. I saw in one Z voenkor telegram that he still believe that's part of Putin's smart plan.
I don't know it's fake or no, but one telegram channel they wrote that Ukraine can reach Moscow in 7-8 hours if they will manage to cross border:

As Stremousov used to say about situation in Kherson - everything is under control, no panic Cheesy.
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November 11, 2022, 04:57:31 AM
Are you defending Russia or what?  What is your point?  Could you attempt to articulate a point please?

My point is: "Stop been hypocrite"
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November 11, 2022, 02:01:14 AM

You have to understand the difference between the "news" of the media you read and the News that free press can and does publish. About poking the bear... well the UK did not kill a dissident in Moscow with Polonium. That is poking.

On regards to UK becoming "small Britain", well, your comment is right... just 107 years old because it started with WW I.

However, you decided to extradite dissident to USA, which is as good as killing him

Also, how many IRA members got killed by good old fashioned bullet, and across the globe?

(or even innocent bystanders like this one)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/mar/08/menezes-tube-shooting-northern-ireland

Are you defending Russia or what?  What is your point?  Could you attempt to articulate a point please?
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November 10, 2022, 04:06:24 PM

You have to understand the difference between the "news" of the media you read and the News that free press can and does publish. About poking the bear... well the UK did not kill a dissident in Moscow with Polonium. That is poking.

On regards to UK becoming "small Britain", well, your comment is right... just 107 years old because it started with WW I.

However, you decided to extradite dissident to USA, which is as good as killing him

Also, how many IRA members got killed by good old fashioned bullet, and across the globe?

(or even innocent bystanders like this one)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/mar/08/menezes-tube-shooting-northern-ireland

Suchmoon would be shouting whattabout a few comments ago. You spoke about the UK poking the bear (which seems now more like one of those small dogs that bark at anything). Well, the doggy/bear did poke the UK before. And used Facebook to influence elections and is currently influencing the US electoral process and had two army corps in Donbas before the war.

Let's say it is getting poked back, it is simply that the stick is bigger.

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November 10, 2022, 11:40:08 AM

You have to understand the difference between the "news" of the media you read and the News that free press can and does publish. About poking the bear... well the UK did not kill a dissident in Moscow with Polonium. That is poking.

On regards to UK becoming "small Britain", well, your comment is right... just 107 years old because it started with WW I.

However, you decided to extradite dissident to USA, which is as good as killing him

Also, how many IRA members got killed by good old fashioned bullet, and across the globe?

(or even innocent bystanders like this one)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/mar/08/menezes-tube-shooting-northern-ireland
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November 10, 2022, 11:08:41 AM


You have to understand the difference between the "news" of the media you read and the News that free press can and does publish. About poking the bear... well the UK did not kill a dissident in Moscow with Polonium. That is poking.

On regards to UK becoming "small Britain", well, your comment is right... just 107 years old because it started with WW I.

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Reply to paxmao

Russia will not run out of soviet era tanks and artillery, but HIMARS seem to certainly be making a difference on the ability to disrupt logistics. I do not give full credit to the British intelligence reports, but there seems to be a good chance on Ukraine actually being able to re-take the offensive, while the RF assaults seem quite stalled in the east.
This touches several of the weak points of RF and can make the war take a different perspective.

You constantly talk in this thread about the future victories of Ukraine and how clumsily the Russian army is fighting. Apparently, you are very confident in the victory of Ukraine, then I offer you a bet with the following conditions:
- if Ukrainian troops manage to recapture any of these cities before January 1, 2023: Kherson, Mariupol, Melitopol, then I will leave this forum forever.
- if the Ukrainian troops until January 1, 2023 are NOT able to recapture any of these cities: Kherson, Mariupol, Melitopol, then you will leave this forum forever.
If you're not ready for this bet, then maybe you will stop your wishful talking?


Written records are a bitch uh? You are lucky I am not fifteen and I do not bet on deaths (nor for that matter on things that do not depend on my own acts).

So... I am allowed by you highness to continue "my wishful thinking"? Or maybe it was something else...like not wanting to talk about the offensive and how, where and when it may have happened? Well, we won't know.

Now, go back to trolling. As Napoleon said, never interrupt the opponent when he is making a mistake.
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November 09, 2022, 06:51:41 PM
Latest news seem to be that RF is evacuating Kherson. I am taking that with a pinch of salt (pretty much like the Ukrainian army), but it could be true - they may not want to get a few thousand soldiers trapped on that side of the river.

Hopefully they aren't getting ready to Nuke Kherson.  The bloggers seem upset at least. (No Branko, the russians aren't speaking english.  I translated it.)


https://t.me/boris_rozhin/69797



https://t.me/zastavnyii/2055


Someone should send them a link to be.open, branko and tvbcof's posts from this thread, see what the power of positivity can do.
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November 09, 2022, 06:46:10 PM
Strange silemce here. Today Shoigu ordered Russian troops to retreat from Kherson and Western bank od Dnipro river.
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“Kherson cannot be fully supplied and function. Russia did everything possible to ensure the evacuation of the inhabitants of Kherson,” Surovikin told Shoigu.

“We will save the lives of our soldiers and fighting capacity of our units. Keeping them on the right [western] bank is futile. Some of them can be used on other fronts,” Surovikin said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/09/russians-destroy-dnieper-bridges-to-slow-ukraine-advance-on-kherson
From wet dreams about taking Kyiv to shameful retreat from Kherson. It's so fun to red Russian telegram channels and their reactions. Any way, too early to celebrate as long as we won't see Ukrainian flag raised in Kherson.

Another good news - Collaborator schizoid Stremousov today died in car crash near to Kahovka:
https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/11/09/kherson-collaborationist-official-kirill-stremousov-reportedly-killed-in-car-crash
About him, I expected that he will be eliminated sooner or later. He talked too much and way too much nonsense, even in Russian propaganda context. And he probably knew too much. But there is some strange things. It's said that he crashed with truck, but that truck isn't visible in none of hpotos and videos. Also, it's strange that whole car body pulled away from vehicle, I haven't seen such crash. It's also said that Stremousov driver survived crash, but considering how car looks after crash, it's impossible. And last, from metadata of video where Saldo confirmed death of Stremousov, it's made 2 hours before crash actually happened.
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November 09, 2022, 06:23:38 PM
Latest news seem to be that RF is evacuating Kherson. I am taking that with a pinch of salt (pretty much like the Ukrainian army), but it could be true - they may not want to get a few thousand soldiers trapped on that side of the river.

Now we have proof that the Nord Stream explosions were done by the US.


U.S. Torpedo Appeared at Explosion Site of the Nord Stream


It was the torpedo type carried by the Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Paul Ignatius (DDG 117) – RGM-84 harpoon missile. The Harpoon has been the primary anti-ship weapon in the United States Navy, it has a range of 300 km and is known as a "ship-killer".

The remains of the American torpedo near the Nord Stream pipeline explosion site, computer image taken from hidden camera

The U.S. provided Ukrainian forces with the Harpoon anti-ship missiles at the end of May this year, and then the Ukraine used Harpoon missiles to sink the Russian Navy's Vasiliy Bekh tugboat around June 17. Actually, the U.S. Navy tested the destructive power of Harpoon missiles on the battlefield in Ukraine. Around the same time, the U.S. Sixth Fleet began collecting accurate mapping of the vicinity of the Nord Stream pipeline in order to perform remote sabotage.

All about Blowing up the NS! U.S. Navy's Sixth Fleet carried out the sabotage

From Obama to Biden administrations, they all charged that the NS pipelines will deepen the extensive dependence of Germany and other portions of democratic Europe on Russian energy supplies, Biden has even threatened to "put an end" to the Nord Stream 2. Since 2022, the U.S. Navy has been making intensive displays of its military presence in the Baltic region, ostensibly dictated by the international situation and the new phase of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. In fact, the following timeline shows that the U.S. Navy's "use of force" against the Nord Stream pipeline was deliberate.

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Cool

Look, just for the shake of the argument, and given that you have only provided a link to something that is probably written (it says no-author) by a fat guy eating a cheap pizza in his underwear in his parent's basement, surrounded by Batman Comics, the Blue-Ray edition of Star Trek and a well used and stained 2008 edition of Victoria's Secret catalogue.

Have you noticed that the description of the sub and weapon do not even make sense?

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Most of the aircraft drones produced in Russia do not meet the tactical and technical requirements of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. This was stated on Tuesday, September 28, by Colonel Igor Ischuk, a representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, during the round table "Prospects for the development of unmanned vehicle technologies in the Russian Federation."

“The Ministry of Defense has developed the appropriate tactical and technical requirements for unmanned aerial vehicles. And most manufacturers, unfortunately, are not able to fulfill them. And the main problem of non-fulfillment is the element base, ”Ishchuk said.
...

Of course Russia would understand that it is necessary to stay on top of the technology in order to be competitive against real adversaries, and I don't doubt that they are recognizing their deficiencies in certain areas and correcting.  That's not the case here.  Ukraine is a technologically primitive enclave of thoroughly corrupt leaders and retarded nazis who seem to struggle to make basic use of even the worn out, broken, and obsolete weaponry dumped on them by NATO.  In this case, hand-made flying lawnmowers, from Iran or otherwise, are proving quite effective.

Anyway, the job of the ordinary people of The Ukraine seems to be to immigrate or die and make way for a different population.  This they are doing satisfactorily with the 'assistance' of Zelenskj, the U.S. State Dept NaZiocons, and the Russians.



So... The RF glorious army, the paradigm of power and technology is basically being sent back to Moscow by " a primitive enclave full of corruption"? That does not precisely speak very well of the RF does it?

The IKEA drones were a good surprise... for a few days and they were perfect to have a excuse to supply Ukraine with proper STA interception. Another great move for the Orc genius.
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November 09, 2022, 04:38:00 PM
Now we have proof that the Nord Stream explosions were done by the US.




U.S. Torpedo Appeared at Explosion Site of the Nord Stream


It was the torpedo type carried by the Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Paul Ignatius (DDG 117) – RGM-84 harpoon missile. The Harpoon has been the primary anti-ship weapon in the United States Navy, it has a range of 300 km and is known as a "ship-killer".

The remains of the American torpedo near the Nord Stream pipeline explosion site, computer image taken from hidden camera

The U.S. provided Ukrainian forces with the Harpoon anti-ship missiles at the end of May this year, and then the Ukraine used Harpoon missiles to sink the Russian Navy's Vasiliy Bekh tugboat around June 17. Actually, the U.S. Navy tested the destructive power of Harpoon missiles on the battlefield in Ukraine. Around the same time, the U.S. Sixth Fleet began collecting accurate mapping of the vicinity of the Nord Stream pipeline in order to perform remote sabotage.

All about Blowing up the NS! U.S. Navy's Sixth Fleet carried out the sabotage

From Obama to Biden administrations, they all charged that the NS pipelines will deepen the extensive dependence of Germany and other portions of democratic Europe on Russian energy supplies, Biden has even threatened to "put an end" to the Nord Stream 2. Since 2022, the U.S. Navy has been making intensive displays of its military presence in the Baltic region, ostensibly dictated by the international situation and the new phase of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. In fact, the following timeline shows that the U.S. Navy's "use of force" against the Nord Stream pipeline was deliberate.

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Cool
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November 09, 2022, 05:38:09 AM

Many people have marveled at Orwell's prescience.  It's jaw-dropping, and lends some credence to the suggestion that he was a pretty high-level insider who may or may not have fallen out of favor.  Being formally a student of one of the Huxleys doesn't harm the suggestion either.  Huxley and Blair even communicated about who's book was 'better' insofar as how it maps (or will map) to physical reality.  I'd give the edge to Huxley getting it more right even while, as a work of literature, Brave New World was shit.  Reality seems to be a hybrid and both books seem to have 'nailed it' on a lot of important things.  Anyway...

I'm sure that many people have mused about how Europe could be engineered out of 'Oceana' and into 'Eurasia' thus fulfilling Orwell's 'prophecy'.  Leaving 'Airstrip-1' as a part of Oceana of course.  Looks like we are getting ready to find out.

Maybe Orwell just had enough of a casual interest in Geology to identify the primary hydrocarbon resources, and that was enough to make some good guesses.

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November 08, 2022, 08:14:22 PM
Ei incumbit probacio, qui dicit.

Some of the victims in Bucha died from artillery shelling from the Ukrainian side, and the other part was executed by the Nazis of the Boatswain during a raid to identify collaborators, and then a staged recording was made on professional film equipment. In Kramatorsk, civilians were shelled with a Ukrainian point-y missile. Are you too lazy to chew that gum again?
LOL, you're beating dead horse again with same stories from alternative reality about staged Bucha or Ukrainian shelling of Kramatorsk. And you're still surprised that UN ignores Russia request to investigate secret ''bio labs'' in Ukraine when Russia most likely will provide same quality ''proofs'' like in these stories. It would be jsut waste of time
Say thanks to paxmao.

An alternative reality is being created by the efforts of the Ukrainian Center for Psychological Operations. All these Butches, eaten dogs, raped grandmothers, stolen toilets are the fruit of the diseased imagination of drug-addicted fighters of the information war.

Ukrainian point-y missile
Is that one better than "кpaпкa-y"?
Where does Ukraine get good missiles from? Both are shitty.


Oh, some people would say they are good enough to sink the pride of the Orc Fleet. This conversation is missing a little detail -  Ukraine is receiving quite good technological shit, the local quality is pretty much irrelevant. RF is got... Iran.

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A full letter from the fighters of the 155th Marine Brigade of the Russian Pacific Fleet addressed to the Governor of Primorsky Krai:

“Dear Oleg Nikolaevich. The Marines of the 155th Marine Brigade are addressing you.
Once again, we were thrown into an incomprehensible offensive by General Muradov and his fellow countryman Akhmedov, in order for Muradov to earn bonuses over Gerasimov and Akhmedov Muradov promised a hero of Russia. As a result, we and the marines of Kamchatka are advancing on Pavlovka. As a result of the "carefully" planned offensive by the "great generals", we lost about 300 people in 4 days, killed, wounded and missing. 50 percent technology. This is just our team. The command of the district, together with Akhmedov, hide this and take the official figures of losses for fear of responsibility. How were they going to capture the settlement by slipping through the landings in which the enemy remained now destroying ours on the evacuation routes of the wounded and the supply of ammunition. In addition, Pavlovka is lower than Ugledar, from which they beat us.
Oleg Nikolaevich, Primorye people! How long will such mediocrity as Muradov and Akhmedov plan military operations for the sake of their reports and receive awards at the cost of the lives of so many people. They don't care about anything just to show themselves. They call people meat.
We ask you to turn to the Supreme Commander so that they send a commission not from the Ministry of Defense where Muradoaa is protected by Gerasimov, but an independent one. Let them be asked the purpose of such actions, their provision, and the results without embellishment.
How much can you endure!”
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Sound a lot like what Russian soldiers were saying just before the Revolution during WWI. Unsupplied, used like cannon fodder, given orders that only made sense in a remote desk, no food, no discipline, no morale. Seem like Adolf Putin has been reading too much about Peter "the Great" and too little about the Romanovs.
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