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Think about how stupid you are sounding. The Donbas area is not some tiny area off in the Ural Mountains somewhere. It's a big area, along with other areas south of it, that the Russians have liberated.

If people are too stupid now, to fix their own water and electricity, they were always too stupid to have any in the first place. Russians aren't stopping them from fixing their electricity and water. They are even helping them by protecting them from the rebel Ukraine military.

If the people don't want to fix their own water and electricity, and rebuild their own cities and homes that the Ukraine military destroyed, that's up to them. They have the ability to do either, to fix or not fix... or they never had these things in the first place, and might as well go back an live in caves like their ancient ancestors.

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Russia liberated jack squat.

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I didn't even know Jack Squat was Ukrainian.     Cool
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all the killing and property damage that the Ukraine military did in the Donbas area since 2014

They must have sucked at it because Putin's army came in 2022 and still found entire cities full of people to raze and to kill.

Also fun fact: Only after the war started donbass citizens were left without water and electricity - https://t.me/RottenKepkenChannel/19025

I think this maybe one of the best "protection and liberation" in modern history. People now lives in medieval. From the perspective of view of local trolls and idiots this is true "liberation"

Think about how stupid you are sounding. The Donbas area is not some tiny area off in the Ural Mountains somewhere. It's a big area, along with other areas south of it, that the Russians have liberated.

If people are too stupid now, to fix their own water and electricity, they were always too stupid to have any in the first place. Russians aren't stopping them from fixing their electricity and water. They are even helping them by protecting them from the rebel Ukraine military.

If the people don't want to fix their own water and electricity, and rebuild their own cities and homes that the Ukraine military destroyed, that's up to them. They have the ability to do either, to fix or not fix... or they never had these things in the first place, and might as well go back an live in caves like their ancient ancestors.

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Russia liberated jack squat. They are occupying some Ukrainian territories. They killed some native population, some civilians left voluntarily to
territories controlled by the Ukrainian army, some were forcefully deported to Russia.

They hunted down all Ukrainian men of Donbas and forced them into DNR 'army'. They are used as cannon fodder on the front lines
to detect the location of Ukrainian positions. They don't even count them, or exchange POWs.

Donetsk is a ghost town now. No men in the streets.

Liberation my ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcH5KqC5X34
legendary
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all the killing and property damage that the Ukraine military did in the Donbas area since 2014

They must have sucked at it because Putin's army came in 2022 and still found entire cities full of people to raze and to kill.

Also fun fact: Only after the war started donbass citizens were left without water and electricity - https://t.me/RottenKepkenChannel/19025

I think this maybe one of the best "protection and liberation" in modern history. People now lives in medieval. From the perspective of view of local trolls and idiots this is true "liberation"

Think about how stupid you are sounding. The Donbas area is not some tiny area off in the Ural Mountains somewhere. It's a big area, along with other areas south of it, that the Russians have liberated.

If people are too stupid now, to fix their own water and electricity, they were always too stupid to have any in the first place. Russians aren't stopping them from fixing their electricity and water. They are even helping them by protecting them from the rebel Ukraine military.

If the people don't want to fix their own water and electricity, and rebuild their own cities and homes that the Ukraine military destroyed, that's up to them. They have the ability to do either, to fix or not fix... or they never had these things in the first place, and might as well go back an live in caves like their ancient ancestors.

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all the killing and property damage that the Ukraine military did in the Donbas area since 2014

They must have sucked at it because Putin's army came in 2022 and still found entire cities full of people to raze and to kill.

Also fun fact: Only after the war started donbass citizens were left without water and electricity - https://t.me/RottenKepkenChannel/19025

I think this maybe one of the best "protection and liberation" in modern history. People now lives in medieval. From the perspective of view of local trolls and idiots this is true "liberation"
legendary
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all the killing and property damage that the Ukraine military did in the Donbas area since 2014

They must have sucked at it because Putin's army came in 2022 and still found entire cities full of people to raze and to kill.

And then, since the Russian military was finally there, the Ukrainian military started killing more people and razing the cities in a fury... until the Russian military drove them out.

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all the killing and property damage that the Ukraine military did in the Donbas area since 2014

They must have sucked at it because Putin's army came in 2022 and still found entire cities full of people to raze and to kill.
legendary
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"When you get a gun and $$$billions from another guy to murder a third guy, means that the guy who gave you the gun and money is hiring you to do a job for him!"

Ah, so this troll means that this is Ukraine attacked russia, lol. Great dissociation with reality. russia attacked Ukraine on February 24th, but again, this is Ukraine fault and Ukraine should reject USA weapons (for what reason, to convince such trolls as BADecker in smth? Lol)


So, johhnyUA dumbo would like us to conveniently forget all the killing and property damage that the Ukraine military did in the Donbas area since 2014 against Russians and Ukrainians living there. Note that this is when the US first installed, through CIA manipulations, regimes in Ukraine that the people weren't in favor of.

The so-called war started way back then by the Ukraine US puppet governments, trying to irritate Russia by messing with its citizens, just to push Russia into a formal war. Russia's response looks like war, but if you check the signing off that Putin did on the UN Charter, Article 51, it's merely a police action designed to correct the US/Ukraine puppet government.

johhnyUA the propagandist.

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"When you get a gun and $$$billions from another guy to murder a third guy, means that the guy who gave you the gun and money is hiring you to do a job for him!"

Ah, so this troll means that this is Ukraine attacked russia, lol. Great dissociation with reality. russia attacked Ukraine on February 24th, but again, this is Ukraine fault and Ukraine should reject USA weapons (for what reason, to convince such trolls as BADecker in smth? Lol)



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This is good that such trolls are in my ignore list and I can see them only trough quotes.

Fake? The nine SU-34s in Novofedorovka in Crimea would disagree. They went up like Christmas trees.

Also few russian Su24M. In near future russia will be left even without 4++ jets. For good I think
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I will say a few words about the "barrage of fire" tactics, which the allied forces of Russia and the LDNR used to break into the fortified areas in Avdiivka. This is an old trick from the times of the First World War, which the Russian Army masters to perfection. To use it successfully, you need good logistics, because you will need to spend a huge amount of artillery shells and multiple launch rocket systems. Russia is now spending about 5,000 tons of artillery shells per day in Ukraine on the use of a "barrage of fire" (not counting high-precision missiles). For each unarmored target in the Donbass, 300-500 shells are spent. After such artillery preparation, assault detachments with the support of armored vehicles go into battle, usually formed according to the national principle (Tuvans, Buryats, Chechens, etc.), which use their native language in radio communications, which provides additional protection against radio interception. If the assault squads meet strong resistance, they move back and artillery again works on the identified positions. Such tactics make it possible to successfully advance without numerical superiority and with minimal losses (but with an increased consumption of artillery shells).

That's why 50 or even 100 HIMARS can't turn the tide of this operation. Russia can concentrate 10-15 divisions of howitzers and MLRS on a small sector of the front, and they plow everything with cheap shells and unguided rockets. And Ukraine can oppose only 1-2 divisions, which, moreover, are forced to hide from drones and high-precision missiles. The success of the operation to liberate Donbass is not a matter of strategy or tactics, it is a matter of logistics and timing.

Nothing new. RF shelling with 60's equipment and "conquering" a land of rubble. There are several things that you got wrong:

- HIMARS is precisely there to fuck up those logistics you describe and with just 4 of them, high value targets have been destroyed. It is clear to anyone that the pace of the offensive has slowed.
- RF can concentrate troops... at the cost of leaving other areas dangerously undefended. There are tiny advances from Ukraine in the South. In themselves they do not mean much, but the fact that there's actually any advance should give you food for thought on how strong the grip on the invaded lands is.

But the biggest caveat is that the tactic is slow and costly. RF cannot maintain and army working at that pace for a long period of time under economic sanctions and certainly will need to convince many of joining an army that has a reputation for not giving a F*k for their soldiers and sending then unprepared and untrained.

Regarding "high precision"... nothing to be shown for that. The technical weaponry exists, but is so limited that makes zero effect. Ukraine has always been ready for air raids and missiles and use the right tactics to minimise the effects of these.

Overall, there is nothing like a "winning strategy" going on at all.
Ukraine still has a whole month to implement its plan for a decisive counterattack on Kherson. Then there will be a referendum, according to the results of which the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions are likely to be reunited with Russia.

Although what am I talking about? Talk about a counterattack on Kherson turned out to be part of an information-psychological operation, in other words, another fakeGrin

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Those regions will never be Russian. Russian occupiers and their collaborators will be killed, one by one, until the last one is killed or leaves
Ukraine.

Fake? The nine SU-34s in Novofedorovka in Crimea would disagree. They went up like Christmas trees.

Russian 'tourists' are fleeing Kherson and Crimea as we speak. Those who stay will be killed.

End of story.
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Currently, the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy have reach out to some of the African countries for help over the ongoing war with Russia, he noted that staying neutral about it wouldn't be of help to the whole situation on ground, he want the intervention of some of the African countries to make impact on Ukraine experience in the ongoing crisis
https://www.thecable.ng/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-seeks-africas-support-says-we-are-similar-in-many-ways/amp

That guy knows how to network...
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When you need weapons from a foreign country to defend your country from a foreign invasion, you're simply being invaded by the country that is giving you the weapons.

Epic logic. Maybe the best from what I've seen here.
"When you buy a gun from another guy to protect yourself from third guy who want to kill you, means that the guy who sold you gun really killing you!"

Ukraine logic.

"When you get a gun and $$$billions from another guy to murder a third guy, means that the guy who gave you the gun and money is hiring you to do a job for him!"

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More like a gun shop opened a credit account for you, and you can loan/buy whatever weapons you want to defend your home.
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Currently, the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy have reach out to some of the African countries for help over the ongoing war with Russia, he noted that staying neutral about it wouldn't be of help to the whole situation on ground, he want the intervention of some of the African countries to make impact on Ukraine experience in the ongoing crisis
https://www.thecable.ng/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-seeks-africas-support-says-we-are-similar-in-many-ways/amp
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When you need weapons from a foreign country to defend your country from a foreign invasion, you're simply being invaded by the country that is giving you the weapons.

Epic logic. Maybe the best from what I've seen here.
"When you buy a gun from another guy to protect yourself from third guy who want to kill you, means that the guy who sold you gun really killing you!"

Ukraine logic.

"When you get a gun and $$$billions from another guy to murder a third guy, means that the guy who gave you the gun and money is hiring you to do a job for him!"

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I think we can call this "Chronicles of Liberation"

Seems that Popasna is fully liberated from material world:



Translation: Head of LNR tells that they may not rebuild Popasna, because it's completely destoryed (around of 96 % buildings destroyed - johhnyUA)

When you need weapons from a foreign country to defend your country from a foreign invasion, you're simply being invaded by the country that is giving you the weapons.

Epic logic. Maybe the best from what I've seen here.
"When you buy a gun from another guy to protect yourself from third guy who want to kill you, means that the guy who sold you gun really killing you!"
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When you need weapons to defend your country from a foreign invasion, it really doesn't matter where they come from.  
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When you need weapons from a foreign country to defend your country from a foreign invasion, you're simply being invaded by the country that is giving you the weapons.


The 'Western weapons' are nothing more than an excuse to get more Ukroid cannon fodder killed.  Looks a little better to send undesirable races to their death with a non-functional tube strapped to their back than to arm them with a sharpened stick, but clearly the 'leadership' of Ukraine would do that too as long as the conscripts could be made to move in the general direction of the Russian artillery.



Zelensky never had as much popularity and infamy (depending on who is looking) as he is getting now. And he isn't slowing down one bit, constantly asking for more money and weapons. Give him enough rope and he will hang himself.

The Ukrainian people are moving out, or over to the Russian, Donbas regions. When Zelensky fails, will the US have something else in the plan to protect their interests over there? Or will they simply 'hand' it all over to Russia?

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When you need weapons to defend your country from a foreign invasion, it really doesn't matter where they come from.  
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When you need weapons from a foreign country to defend your country from a foreign invasion, you're simply being invaded by the country that is giving you the weapons.


The 'Western weapons' are nothing more than an excuse to get more Ukroid cannon fodder killed.  Looks a little better to send undesirable races to their death with a non-functional tube strapped to their back than to arm them with a sharpened stick, but clearly the 'leadership' of Ukraine would do that too as long as the conscripts could be made to move in the general direction of the Russian artillery.

legendary
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When you need weapons to defend your country from a foreign invasion, it really doesn't matter where they come from.  

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When you need weapons from a foreign country to defend your country from a foreign invasion, you're simply being invaded by the country that is giving you the weapons.

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But what makes you think that relationship is similar of that with Israel and not like with Kurds?

I can't remember when USA provide HIMARS or something similar to kurds. So yeah, our case is more close to Israel case then to kurds. USA would not provide HIMARS to us in kurds case  Wink

And yeah, very funny about rf will take something. They're out of armored vechiles for now, and without tanks/ifv/afv you can't siege any big city.
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Might want to dial down on "cultural protectionism" when totally dependent on USA and EU.

Yes, this is how it works. I can't see anything illogical in this statement. How does Himars affect culture?

What makes you think that USA goals are completely aligned with UA?

Idc, man. Since they're giving to us weaponry and money, I'm fine with that. In fact, typical "Israel case". USA and Israel HAD, have and will have a lot of disagreements in politic. Despite this was never a reason to Israel to reject american help. So you should try better

But what makes you think that relationship is similar of that with Israel and not like with Kurds? And you really believe that UA can somehow take Crimea back (with Crimean kids that were 12 back then are 20 yrs old now and lived all of their adult lives as RU citizens) without Russia activating 2millioin of it's reservist in addition to current 175k troops? Why wouldn't you care for the end goal? If the outcome is all the same, but the difference is only in loss of life (to both sides) that doesn't bother you at all? And I'll ask again, will you concede that the losses will be senseless if/when RU takes Kharkiv/Odesa/Zaporizhzhia/Dnipro... or any and all UA losses can be justified by claiming that they were actually protecting Poland/Europe/freedom whatever...  from Russian orcs?

When you need weapons to defend your country from a foreign invasion, it really doesn't matter where they come from.  And yeah, obviously they really do think they can take Crimea back.  Remember back when Putin thought it wouldn't even be a war, just a special operation in response to NATO expansion, and even in the West, the question was not if but how many days until the fall of Kiev?  Would they last through the weekend?
 Maybe a week?  Would Zelensky be killed?  That was 6 months ago.  Do you really think things are going according to Putins plan?  They've given up on Kiev, Nato added two more countries, Sanctions are far more aggressive than anticipated, and basically all the effort over the past 30 years to recover from the collapse of the SU has been erased.  Not to mention the ever growing list a military humiliations.  Their flagship being sunk, the trap bridge over the river, and now somehow they blew up an air field in crimea 250km behind the front line.

Of course, you won't believe any of that because you believe what Putin wants you to believe.  But you must understand that's what is believed by many in the west, Ukraine included.
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Might want to dial down on "cultural protectionism" when totally dependent on USA and EU.

Yes, this is how it works. I can't see anything illogical in this statement. How does Himars affect culture?

What makes you think that USA goals are completely aligned with UA?

Idc, man. Since they're giving to us weaponry and money, I'm fine with that. In fact, typical "Israel case". USA and Israel HAD, have and will have a lot of disagreements in politic. Despite this was never a reason to Israel to reject american help. So you should try better

But what makes you think that relationship is similar of that with Israel and not like with Kurds? And you really believe that UA can somehow take Crimea back (with Crimean kids that were 12 back then are 20 yrs old now and lived all of their adult lives as RU citizens) without Russia activating 2millioin of it's reservist in addition to current 175k troops? Why wouldn't you care for the end goal? If the outcome is all the same, but the difference is only in loss of life (to both sides) that doesn't bother you at all? And I'll ask again, will you concede that the losses will be senseless if/when RU takes Kharkiv/Odesa/Zaporizhzhia/Dnipro... or any and all UA losses can be justified by claiming that they were actually protecting Poland/Europe/freedom whatever...  from Russian orcs?
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