This latest update from SouthFront was extremely dense to watch:
https://odysee.com/@SouthFront:4/russia-preparing-for-winter-military-campaign:5?lc=b168fc47668524d380d352734b06c1f8e4df616764c3098f8dda577131b3583e
Didn't realize North Korea might be getting in on the action.
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 226. (Read 73711 times)
- 1000+ people arrested in various anti-mobilization protests in Russia. Could this finally turn into real mass protests? Nah, doubtful. But getting arrested at a protest might be a way to avoid dying in Ukraine (probably need to kick a few police officers to make sure to get real criminal charges).
There was no existential threat for Russia. There might be now though. You can put 100% of the blame on Putin for that. And what is "this" Russia needs to annex a piece of Ukraine and then what? You think Ukraine won't continue on the path to joining the EU and eventually NATO? You think NATO won't continue to be more unified than almost any other point before February? How about the two countries that joined NATO in direct response to Putins decision to attack Ukraine? You think the rest of the world will just forget the weaknesses in the Russian military that have been exposed in the last 6 months? Putin already failed.
What weakness are you talking about? If about the lack of personnel of the participants in the special operation - well, this will be fixed soon. What does Ukraine hope for when it loses its only advantage? The referenda will start tomorrow and end in three days. Ukraine will never return four regions to itself, as well as Crimea. 
It's easy to be Z-patriot at home, far away from front, but now when there is risk for you to be sent there, all patriotism is gone.
There over 100500 memes about that, where z patriots afraid to the death to get mobilized and some of them even run away from Rusia.
Actually, Russia don't have full control of none of these oblasts, except Luhansk. Most ridiculous situation in Zaporizhia oblast where main city of oblast - Zaporizhia is under control of Ukraine. Zaporizhia People's Republic without Zaporizhia.
It's scarry me a lot. They will try for sure to destroy Zaporizhia. They can't take it, even in their ordinary "leveling cities to the ground" strategy. So they'll just try to destroy it with missiles.
So US is sending million 155mm shells, EU depleted their military stock reserves and about to loose heat during the winter, and Russia declaring mobilization. Like literally, what else needs to happen for people to stop pretending and start questioning that maybe, just maybe, this is much bigger than Ukraine??
Uhh, nobody is pretending that. Ukraine is receiving aid from the rest of the world because they know what happens when a psycho gets away with invading another country. If Putin were able to steam roll Kiev without any consequences, he wouldn't stop there. That's literally why NATO exists - to stop the next ass hole that wants to see how many countries he can conquer.
If you remember before this all started Russia drew up it's security concerns and requested written reply from US, think it's now safe to assume what kind of finger was drawn on a paper that U.S. ambassador, John Sullivan handed back to Moscow.
Oh boo hoo. The US wouldn't let Putin dictate who was allowed to join an alliance that Russia is not a member of. That's how alliances work.
Clearly US didn't take Russia's concerns seriously, as a final attempt to show that this is an existential threat for Russia Putin did more posturing, he sent a column of tanks directly to Kyiv. At that point all of EU knew just how serious the situation was, that this is an existential threat for Russia and RU is willing to make it's last stand over this, thus no one in EU expected for US to enable UA to just start taking out that column.
There was no existential threat for Russia. There might be now though. You can put 100% of the blame on Putin for that. And what is "this" Russia needs to annex a piece of Ukraine and then what? You think Ukraine won't continue on the path to joining the EU and eventually NATO? You think NATO won't continue to be more unified than almost any other point before February? How about the two countries that joined NATO in direct response to Putins decision to attack Ukraine? You think the rest of the world will just forget the weaknesses in the Russian military that have been exposed in the last 6 months? Putin already failed.
Let me try to summarize your arguments into bullet points, and you can tell me know how close was i to getting them right:
- NATO is not a defensive pact for its members at all, but literally?? exists as sort of a world police to use its military power to stop any conflict around the globe it deems beneficial to it? Yemen? Kosovo blah blah blah etc etc etc
- NATO's Article 5 is useless in protecting NATO members because in reality it's a non-EU non-NATO Ukraine that truly protects NATO (what will happen to NATO if Ukraine goes back under RU's sphere like with Yanukovych, did NATO not exist in 2013
) - Even though NATO can claim protection over non-NATO or any country in the world, and a non-NATO country somehow protects all NATO countries we should still care when a country officially joins NATO
- There was no existential threat to Russia at all. It should continue to sit there quietly and watch how US assistant secretary and ambassadors bring even larger cookies to Belarus, Kazakhstan, Chechen Republic... that say property of Venezuela/Iraq/Libya/Yemen... surely those people deserve those democracy cookies just as much as Ukrainian people do right?
- Somehow in similar circumstances Cuba was an existential threat to US to justify the blockade even today, just don't think about this one? And don't even think about bringing any cookies to Cuba?
I mean I get that that's what the propaganda wants you to believe, but surely you must see how the rest of the world just might have some issues with such logic. Regardless whether you agree with Russia, Russia indicated it's red lines and US decided to cross it. Selling the idea to population that somehow UA can take back Crimea without RU mobilizing, surely EU leaders knew that such idea was ludicrous now everyone is trying to figure out what was US's grand plan. At this point UK and EU is almost guaranteed to slip into recession, but US might stay flat by selling freedom gas and freedom oil to them.
Russia's existence depends on it's resources and few allies it has left
Then maybe Putin shouldn't be invading (Ukraine) and refusing obligations towards (Armenia) potential allies, and fucking his resource export by walling the country off the rest of the world.
everyone in EU is dumbfounded about this great American plan, tons of dead people, EU in recession, UA will be back under RU sphere of influence
Ukraine will not "be back under RU sphere of influence". The cost of that remains to be seen but your assessment of what EU "thinks" is absurd. Aside from Orban, the rest of Eastern Europe knows very well what Russia's sphere of influence means and that giving Putin (part of) Ukraine won't stop him from wanting part of Poland, Germany, or Portugal. That's an existential threat.
Edit: Markets opened higher on a day Russia announced mobilization. If market is of any indication (as it has always historically been), no one is pricing in any serious escalation or mobilization of "western" economies to war footing.
Don't quit your troll farm to become a market analyst just yet.
Blah blah, and we're back to defining what a win and a loss means for both sides. Already 20% of Ukraine are set not to just go under RU's sphere of influence but will become RU! RU can justify their losses by gained territory, but i still don't think if it's a victory unless they get Odessa. But I'm perplexed by UA, what do you say when someone asks how we went from being mostly under RU's sphere in 2013 with some exposure to EU, and now after colossal looses, to completely loosing at least 20% of our land, potentially becoming a landlocked country, and now being fully reliant on RU/EU? I guess that's where the notion of fighting for Europe comes in, the only way i can think of spinning that is that this was all worth it because we kept Lviv and protected NATO/Poland/UK with our lives from evil Russian orcs.
Your ad hominems always brighten my day
Russia's existence depends on it's resources and few allies it has left
Then maybe Putin shouldn't be invading (Ukraine) and refusing obligations towards (Armenia) potential allies, and fucking his resource export by walling the country off the rest of the world.
everyone in EU is dumbfounded about this great American plan, tons of dead people, EU in recession, UA will be back under RU sphere of influence
Ukraine will not "be back under RU sphere of influence". The cost of that remains to be seen but your assessment of what EU "thinks" is absurd. Aside from Orban, the rest of Eastern Europe knows very well what Russia's sphere of influence means and that giving Putin (part of) Ukraine won't stop him from wanting part of Poland, Germany, or Portugal. That's an existential threat.
Edit: Markets opened higher on a day Russia announced mobilization. If market is of any indication (as it has always historically been), no one is pricing in any serious escalation or mobilization of "western" economies to war footing.
Don't quit your troll farm to become a market analyst just yet.
Right, because the USD is sliding off the cliff. As many advances as it makes, they are followed directly by declines... that are catching up. Wait a little while, so that you won't waste time learning about debt backed money... as the USD fails, and we go back on Putin's gold standard, which is gold-backed money rather than the current US money, which is debt backed money.
If Putin only understood how the US debt backed money system works, he would laugh at how easy it is to crush it.
Russia's existence depends on it's resources and few allies it has left
Then maybe Putin shouldn't be invading (Ukraine) and refusing obligations towards (Armenia) potential allies, and fucking his resource export by walling the country off the rest of the world.
everyone in EU is dumbfounded about this great American plan, tons of dead people, EU in recession, UA will be back under RU sphere of influence
Ukraine will not "be back under RU sphere of influence". The cost of that remains to be seen but your assessment of what EU "thinks" is absurd. Aside from Orban, the rest of Eastern Europe knows very well what Russia's sphere of influence means and that giving Putin (part of) Ukraine won't stop him from wanting part of Poland, Germany, or Portugal. That's an existential threat.
Edit: Markets opened higher on a day Russia announced mobilization. If market is of any indication (as it has always historically been), no one is pricing in any serious escalation or mobilization of "western" economies to war footing.
Don't quit your troll farm to become a market analyst just yet.
Ukraine is receiving aid from the rest of the world because they know what happens when a psycho gets away with invading another country.
That's false...I didn't see that happening when psycho got away with invading Iraq
Hell, even psycho could tell you that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OMhOUG_VEU
Fun fact: Ukraine was one of main supporters of that psycho invading Iraq
Yesterday Putin announced the partial mobilization in Russia, he ordered the immediate call-up of 300,000 reservists, here is the video with English subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7QqSYBUhmY
And also yesterday, after the announcement, this is what happened: https://www.facebook.com/ekhokavkaza/videos/856096158660048/
Do you see massive queues at the Russia-Georgia border? hahaha
Check google trends: https://trends.google.com/trends/trendingsearches/daily?geo=RU
Flights out of Russia sell out after Putin orders partial call-up - Reuters
And also yesterday, after the announcement, this is what happened: https://www.facebook.com/ekhokavkaza/videos/856096158660048/
Do you see massive queues at the Russia-Georgia border? hahaha
Check google trends: https://trends.google.com/trends/trendingsearches/daily?geo=RU
Flights out of Russia sell out after Putin orders partial call-up - Reuters
Fun fact: all that happened in Ukraine way before it happened in Russia...Ukraine closed borders to prevent
men fleeing country (although those in Ferraris and various SUVs were fast enough, it closed mostly to
slow ones in Ladas and Fiats). It happened when Serbia attacked us in Croatia, and it happened
when USA declared draft during war in Vietnam
Yesterday Putin announced the partial mobilization in Russia, he ordered the immediate call-up of 300,000 reservists, here is the video with English subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7QqSYBUhmY
And also yesterday, after the announcement, this is what happened: https://www.facebook.com/ekhokavkaza/videos/856096158660048/
Do you see massive queues at the Russia-Georgia border? hahaha
Check google trends: https://trends.google.com/trends/trendingsearches/daily?geo=RU
Flights out of Russia sell out after Putin orders partial call-up - Reuters
And also yesterday, after the announcement, this is what happened: https://www.facebook.com/ekhokavkaza/videos/856096158660048/
Do you see massive queues at the Russia-Georgia border? hahaha
Check google trends: https://trends.google.com/trends/trendingsearches/daily?geo=RU
Flights out of Russia sell out after Putin orders partial call-up - Reuters
So US is sending million 155mm shells, EU depleted their military stock reserves and about to loose heat during the winter, and Russia declaring mobilization. Like literally, what else needs to happen for people to stop pretending and start questioning that maybe, just maybe, this is much bigger than Ukraine??
Uhh, nobody is pretending that. Ukraine is receiving aid from the rest of the world because they know what happens when a psycho gets away with invading another country. If Putin were able to steam roll Kiev without any consequences, he wouldn't stop there. That's literally why NATO exists - to stop the next ass hole that wants to see how many countries he can conquer.
If you remember before this all started Russia drew up it's security concerns and requested written reply from US, think it's now safe to assume what kind of finger was drawn on a paper that U.S. ambassador, John Sullivan handed back to Moscow.
Oh boo hoo. The US wouldn't let Putin dictate who was allowed to join an alliance that Russia is not a member of. That's how alliances work.
Clearly US didn't take Russia's concerns seriously, as a final attempt to show that this is an existential threat for Russia Putin did more posturing, he sent a column of tanks directly to Kyiv. At that point all of EU knew just how serious the situation was, that this is an existential threat for Russia and RU is willing to make it's last stand over this, thus no one in EU expected for US to enable UA to just start taking out that column.
There was no existential threat for Russia. There might be now though. You can put 100% of the blame on Putin for that. And what is "this" Russia needs to annex a piece of Ukraine and then what? You think Ukraine won't continue on the path to joining the EU and eventually NATO? You think NATO won't continue to be more unified than almost any other point before February? How about the two countries that joined NATO in direct response to Putins decision to attack Ukraine? You think the rest of the world will just forget the weaknesses in the Russian military that have been exposed in the last 6 months? Putin already failed.
for Russia the stakes are existential
No. For Ukraine the stakes are existential. Not Russia.
Russia is invading Ukraine.
You're talking about communist utopia kind of world.
In real world, there are only select few countries with UN veto power, and they play by different rules.
USA didn't see Russia as partner after collapse of Soviet Union, but as defeated side in cold war.
We're now looking at consequences, as Russia doesn't seem willing to play that role
No, I'm talking about the war in Ukraine.
Putin wants Ukraine to be Russia. That's what makes it an existential threat to Ukraine. If Ukraine didn't fight, there would be no more independent Ukraine. If Russia stopped fighting, there would be no more war - but Russia would still exist.
Putin fooled you. He claimed there was an existential threat at the beginning of the war, when he thought he had the power to topple Zelenskys government, to justify his decision to invade but the reality is if he wouldn't have invaded NATO wouldn't be expanding as quickly and Ukraine wouldn't be fast tracked to join the EU. Do you really think Russias existence depends on whether or not Putin is able to annex a few regions in the South and East of Ukraine? Because that's all that's left. Use your brain.
take solace in knowing that your death will be slow So US is sending million 155mm shells, EU depleted their military stock reserves and about to loose heat during the winter, and Russia declaring mobilization. Like literally, what else needs to happen for people to stop pretending and start questioning that maybe, just maybe, this is much bigger than Ukraine?? Russia's existence depends on it's resources and few allies it has left, financially it just cannot compete with US on "soft power" field especially when US can fuck up almost any country in south America/Africa/Asia/Middle East to get more resources so it can buy up all of the political will it wants in countries directly bordering Russia. Russia knows that if it lets Ukraine slide it will set a precedent for Belarus and Kazakhstan next. If you remember before this all started Russia drew up it's security concerns and requested written reply from US, think it's now safe to assume what kind of finger was drawn on a paper that U.S. ambassador, John Sullivan handed back to Moscow. Clearly US didn't take Russia's concerns seriously, as a final attempt to show that this is an existential threat for Russia Putin did more posturing, he sent a column of tanks directly to Kyiv. At that point all of EU knew just how serious the situation was, that this is an existential threat for Russia and RU is willing to make it's last stand over this, thus no one in EU expected for US to enable UA to just start taking out that column. Now we see the logical conclusion to those events. Sullivan leaves Moscow sept 4, and everyone in EU is dumbfounded about this great American plan, tons of dead people, EU in recession, UA will be back under RU sphere of influence, and China is having a laugh while they get discounted resources from Russia and their manufacturing competitors in EU are wiped out
When you read a history book about cold war, how many pages are dedicated to the suffering of Cuban people?
Blah blah blah Russia wasn't perfect, here i found some issues that will convince everyone that Russia wasn't moving towards democracy and freedom in 2013 fast enough. Russia - EU summits were held up to 2014 and this guy just ended his presidency in 2012. Surely the military generals that everyone calls to replace Putin would somehow be much better for everyone
Medvedev's "presidency" LOL. BTW have you read his latest drunken ramblings?
Not sure what you're still babbling about but you're scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
US using their soft power "freedom cookies" to pry Ukraine from Russia is all conspiracy theories because US assistant secretary and ambassadors give out cookies at every coup/revolution
Ukraine hadn't been part of Russia for 20+ years at that point. They can do as they please, up to and including not having a pro-Russian president. Try to keep up.
And Cuba was never a part of USA, and thought they could do as they pleased too yet here we are. It helps to know some history
But to your point, if there's a will there's a way. Look I can even help you out and find justification to bring "freedom cookies" to Kazakhstan
[...]
Does anyone even need reasons to justify bringing freedom cookies to Belarus??
[...]
Does anyone even need reasons to justify bringing freedom cookies to Belarus??
Again, relevance? Kazakhstan clearly doesn't want to be friends with Russia anymore (wonder why), and the dicktater of Belarus doesn't need any cookies to be deposed as soon as he loses Putin's support. None of that has much to do with justifying invasion into Ukraine.
Ah, Brezhnev propaganda making a comeback. That explains it. Makes totally justifiable for Putin to annex half of Europe because the US is... uhm... what is the point here exactly?
or US can go into deescalation stage
What is that magic "deescalation" that would somehow make all Ukrainians love Russia and stop fighting?
You'd claim not to see any relevance if it was written on your forehead. I don't think i can spell it out any clearer for you, sorry to burst your bubble but "west" cares about democracy in Ukraine just as much as it does in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Ukraine has a role to play in this game of geopolitics and it's role is of a pressure point for Russia. Once again, unless US commits trillions and tanks, you're about to see what deescalation looks like, but I'm afraid you're about to be disappointed
Do they have the right to have pro-Russian president?
Yes. Have you heard of elections?
Go on, don't be shy, do tell us how it went, let me help you out a bit
Quote
Obama Congratulates Ukraine’s Election Winner
The White House released a statement saying that Mr. Obama had called Mr. Yanukovich, the Ukrainian opposition leader, and wished him “success in carrying out his mandate.”
“This peaceful expression of the political will of Ukrainian voters is another positive step in strengthening democracy in Ukraine,” the statement said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/world/europe/12ukraine.htmlThe White House released a statement saying that Mr. Obama had called Mr. Yanukovich, the Ukrainian opposition leader, and wished him “success in carrying out his mandate.”
“This peaceful expression of the political will of Ukrainian voters is another positive step in strengthening democracy in Ukraine,” the statement said.
Huh, how about that, "peaceful expression" well this doesn't fit your narrative at all! Care to now explain how all presidents are equal but some are more equal than others?
Edit: Markets opened higher on a day Russia announced mobilization. If market is of any indication (as it has always historically been), no one is pricing in any serious escalation or mobilization of "western" economies to war footing.
Interesting news, significant part of Azovstal defenders, including main personalities returned to Ukraine after exchange of POV's with Russia
https://t.me/KremlCirk/2206?single
It's also reported that Russian puppet Viktor Medvechuk was given to Russia after exchange.
Also, remember 3 foreign troops which had to get death penalty in DPR? Now they also got liberated:
https://t.me/redakciya_channel/11252
https://t.me/KremlCirk/2206?single
It's also reported that Russian puppet Viktor Medvechuk was given to Russia after exchange.
Also, remember 3 foreign troops which had to get death penalty in DPR? Now they also got liberated:
https://t.me/redakciya_channel/11252
Nice publicity gift to Ukraine here... no one knows the names of Russians being exchanged (except Medvedchuk), whereas Azov people are heroes Ukraine and famous for slightly different reasons in Russia too.
Russian telegram is in meltdown LOL
Quote from: https://t.me/Hard_Blog_Line/8233
Am I the only one who gets the impression that the information policy of [Russia] is controlled by the CIA? Because it is clearly destructive both for the state itself and for society. Could it be that they shot themselves in the foot? Maybe. Easily. That is the way.
Interesting news, significant part of Azovstal defenders, including main personalities returned to Ukraine after exchange of POV's with Russia
https://t.me/KremlCirk/2206?single
It's also reported that Russian puppet Viktor Medvechuk was given to Russia after exchange.
Also, remember 3 foreign troops which had to get death penalty in DPR? Now they also got liberated:
https://t.me/redakciya_channel/11252
https://t.me/KremlCirk/2206?single
It's also reported that Russian puppet Viktor Medvechuk was given to Russia after exchange.
Also, remember 3 foreign troops which had to get death penalty in DPR? Now they also got liberated:
https://t.me/redakciya_channel/11252
Imagine that you live in a poor and corrupt country and Russia/Britain is going to capture your country, whom would you choose? Russian Empire or British Empire? I see America, Australia, New Zealand, UK. Brits captured these countries but they dramatically improved the quality of life there but Russians? Have a look at post-soviet countries: Russia, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine, etc. They are still poor and corrupt, and soviet buildings look awful too. If there is an improvement in these countries right now, that's because of the western world.
I don't think you actually believe exterminated Maori, american natives and Aborigins agree with you
Ukraine hadn't been part of Russia for 20+ years at that point. They can do as they please, up to and including not having a pro-Russian president. Try to keep up.
Did you say the same when USA led cup ousted pro-Russian one? Do they have the right to have pro-Russian president?
Let the people vote you medieval landlords.
How would Ukraine like to be part of Russia?? It has always been used as burnt land (Napoleon, Hitler), and even starved to death during Stalin's rule. Of course people that have a clue about history would rather not have Moscow deciding on them.
for Russia the stakes are existential
No. For Ukraine the stakes are existential. Not Russia.
Russia is invading Ukraine.
You're talking about communist utopia kind of world.
In real world, there are only select few countries with UN veto power, and they play by different rules.
USA didn't see Russia as partner after collapse of Soviet Union, but as defeated side in cold war.
We're now looking at consequences, as Russia doesn't seem willing to play that role
That is because the USSR was the defeated part - your beloved communism was unable to hold the pieces together. BTW, debt does not mean a lot when you have the keys to the printing machine.
- 1000+ people arrested in various anti-mobilization protests in Russia. Could this finally turn into real mass protests? Nah, doubtful. But getting arrested at a protest might be a way to avoid dying in Ukraine (probably need to kick a few police officers to make sure to get real criminal charges).
- Long lines reported at border crossings from Russia to Finland, Georgia, Kazakhstan. Some other countries like Estonia and Latvia already closed their borders.
- Flight tickets sold out to the few countries that still accept airplanes from Russia.
- In some regions mobilization will take place at police checkpoints on roads and other public places. Not clear if they'll come breaking doors to people's homes but this is Putin's Russia so why not.
That sucks for Russians, they can't easily flee from mobilization to Canada, like Americans did
- 1000+ people arrested in various anti-mobilization protests in Russia. Could this finally turn into real mass protests? Nah, doubtful. But getting arrested at a protest might be a way to avoid dying in Ukraine (probably need to kick a few police officers to make sure to get real criminal charges).
- Long lines reported at border crossings from Russia to Finland, Georgia, Kazakhstan. Some other countries like Estonia and Latvia already closed their borders.
- Flight tickets sold out to the few countries that still accept airplanes from Russia.
- In some regions mobilization will take place at police checkpoints on roads and other public places. Not clear if they'll come breaking doors to people's homes but this is Putin's Russia so why not.
Interesting logic of Russia. Today they announced that over 5900 their troops were killed in Ukraine. If these numbers would be real (who would dare to not believe what Russians are saying), why they needed mobilization?
And why they didn't accepted these news positively? It's easy to be Z-patriot at home, far away from front, but now when there is risk for you to be sent there, all patriotism is gone.
And why they didn't accepted these news positively? It's easy to be Z-patriot at home, far away from front, but now when there is risk for you to be sent there, all patriotism is gone.
Ukraine already 'voted' that these oblasts are part of Ukraine. BTW, the Ukrainian army controls some of the territories in these oblasts.
How do Russians plan to conduct the referendum in these oblasts? Total bullshit.
Actually, Russia don't have full control of none of these oblasts, except Luhansk. Most ridiculous situation in Zaporizhia oblast where main city of oblast - Zaporizhia is under control of Ukraine. Zaporizhia People's Republic without Zaporizhia. How do Russians plan to conduct the referendum in these oblasts? Total bullshit.
Is that a process where you elect your representatives
Exactly.
toppled in colored coup if not favored by USA?
Unlike dictators, elected officials are supposed to have accountability, and may even be forced to resign if they try sketchy shit like passing authoritarian laws. If USA doesn't favor authoritarians that's probably a good thing but to each their own.
OK; so you're fine if USA topple other country presidents...why you then object if Russia try to topple Zelensky?
Or do you consider USA exceptional in some way? Why it was OK when Trudeau passed authoritarian laws?
He's right next to your border, it would be easy to send US army and replace him
Ukraine ran their own president out of the country because he was working for Putin instead of Ukraine.
Putin tried to take Kiev with his military.
There's a difference.
Is that a process where you elect your representatives
Exactly.
toppled in colored coup if not favored by USA?
Unlike dictators, elected officials are supposed to have accountability, and may even be forced to resign if they try sketchy shit like passing authoritarian laws. If USA doesn't favor authoritarians that's probably a good thing but to each their own.
OK; so you're fine if USA topple other country presidents...why you then object if Russia try to topple Zelensky?
Or do you consider USA exceptional in some way? Why it was OK when Trudeau passed authoritarian laws?
He's right next to your border, it would be easy to send US army and replace him
Is that a process where you elect your representatives
Exactly.
toppled in colored coup if not favored by USA?
Unlike dictators, elected officials are supposed to have accountability, and may even be forced to resign if they try sketchy shit like passing authoritarian laws. If USA doesn't favor authoritarians that's probably a good thing but to each their own.
Jump to: