Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 295. (Read 73614 times)

No, it's still you bringing in unrelated shit into this thread.

You brought up Bandera as one of the reasons Ukraine needs denazification (correct me if I'm wrong). I responded as to why that's absurd. If you can't make a coherent argument that's not really my fault.



But still Bandera streets in Ukraine - bad, Ukraine needs denazifying.

Stalin streets in Russia - nah, I just don't condone it.

Go ahead and so design/treat all the drones thusly then and see what that does to cost effectiveness.  Of course cost effectiveness doesn't matter when it's my tax dollars paying the bill, but 'nothing lasts forever.'

Speaking of fleet protection, I wonder what the board of directors of Starlink or whatever is going to do when their constellations are picked off or hoovered up as a result of supplying military class services to hostile powers during times of conflict.  They are a private company who can censor 'till the cows come home irrespective of quaint constitutional notions of freedom of speech and that sort of thing.  Sometimes international trade agreements and such go through a 'rocky patch'.

Laser power is easy to evade. All you need is reflective surface.
Further downside, heat generation and laser beams are easy to track back. Gives another class of nice targets for UA artillery or infantry.
These devices will be eradicated, same as the tens of thousands of russian "elite" soldiers that were part of a 3-day special military operation in a sovereign country.

Sure, some of the Nazis have survived and organized themselves in small, rather unimportant groups since end of WW2, but Putin is Hitler 2.0.

As of Azov:

Simple choice:
Surrender and get killed in the process or starve to death and let your president look like a robot?
Which one seems more honorable to you?

Your nickname, though... 

Why not? Meanwhile, another 785 Azov fighters and soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine surrendered at Azovstal yesterday evening, in total, more than 1,500 people have been "evacuated" since the beginning of the week. According to yet unconfirmed reports, Svyatoslav Palamar (callsign Kalina) also surrendered.

At least try to skimp the links i provide. You can't be so reliant on being spoon fed, then you just believe whatever you're being fed

Russian SFSR 13,950,000 dead more than 50% of which were civilians

How many Russians died in WWII?

Not a fan of Stalin. Georgian' madman who indiscriminately killed his own people across all races/ethnicities (even his own Georgian republic suffered greatly "the exact number of Georgians executed during the Great Purges is not estimated, but some scholars suggest it varies from 30,000 to 60,000"). He did achieve his goal of rapidly industrializing USSR. I believe the argument largely comes from the cost/benefit analysis, where some people feel the loss of life is justified or couldn't be avoided under such circumstances. I tend to disagree and believe he went above and beyond on human suffering from what could be reasonably justified to industrialize USSR as quickly as possible. During the Soviet famine, percentage wise Kazakhs suffered the most 38 to 42 percent of all Kazakhs died from the famines during his rule. In absolute numbers including Russian famine of 1921–1922, the most died in Russia (~7mil). I surely wouldn't condone naming streets after him in 2016. Now any chance you could concede that the guy who did all the massacring and raping wasn't such a great guy and surely there must be other Ukrainian heroes who should get a street named after them?

Now what Hitler did was a genocide, he systematically exterminated six million Jews in concentration camps; and in gas chambers and gas vans in German extermination camps.

These numbers are only from the Holocaust (don't include deaths due to war):

Victims	Murdered
Jews	5.7 million
Soviet civilians	Approximately 6 million
Soviet POWs	2.8–3.3 million
Poles	1.8–3 million
Serbs	300,000–600,000
Disabled people	270,000
Romani	130,000–500,000
Freemasons	80,000–200,000
Slovenes	20,000–25,000
Homosexuals	5,000–15,000
Spanish Republicans	3,500
Jehovah's Witnesses	1,250–5,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

World War II losses of the Soviet Union from all related causes were about 27,000,000 both civilian and military

Now I'm giving you a benefit of a doubt and I really hope your audacity to claim that "Hitler was a noob compared to Stalin" just comes from your illiteracy. If so not all is lost, but you should really educate yourself before posting nonsense, or parroting keywords you hear in the media.

It scares me that you reached your pinnacle of cringe right on this topic. Person who yells WHATABOUTISM when i even slightly hint at a comparison (not a main rebuttal), blatantly doesn't answer a single direct question and just start discussing other people   surely the irony cannot be lost here

If US, Russia Germany and Israel (and the rest of the world for that matter, if there's a single country that doesn't condemn Bandera let me know) all condemn a murderer and you're naming streets after him, you just might be on the wrong side of history. Might be a good wake up call to review your worldview, instead of claiming that the world has a bias against you.

Osama bin Laden was also fighting Soviets before murdering innocent people (and was also sponsored by CIA), does that make him a controversial figure in your eyes as well? How about Osama bin Laden Avenue in Kyiv, it can run directly parallel to Stepana Bandery Avenue.

You seem to be confused (or rather trying your hardest to mislead) between being a nationalist and Bandera actively massacring innocent people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia


Controversial figure, right, something all of us could've done, just a silly mistake, perhaps wouldn't mind having an address on his street? this is beyond atrocious!

Russia tested a laser capable of burning drones in five seconds. 

Ukraine: names a street after Bandera.

Russia: puts this guy into government positions...



Which one of these countries claims to be "denazifying" the other? Yep.

Russian propaganda is one huge projector.

Serious question, what are your thoughts on Stalin.  All this manufactured Nazi drama seems to be a distraction from the fact that when it comes to being responsible for human death and suffering, Hitler was a noob compared to Stalin.  And here we are watching Putin, the former KGB agent that never got over the collapse of the SU, make play after play directly from Stalins hand book. 

You may want to clean the foam off your mouth.

I'm not trying to convince you one way or another. You clearly have a bias here that seems to be rooted in Soviet/Russian history books, where only nazis committed atrocities, whereas soviets were the liberators and anyone who fought against soviets was automatically a nazi.

For example, just in this war Russian invaders killed thousands of civilians in Ukraine. I'm gonna guess that you will not call every pro-Russian collaborator in the occupied territories a criminal who killed thousands of civilians. Am I right? "Litmus test" for you.

Loosing heart? The morale and conviction of Ukraine is 100x the Russ. It has taken your glorious Psychos in Chief months to defeat a regiment even under continuous shelling and siege. Is that how you intent to play this war?

Threat of encirclement.. blah blah... The Psychos in Chief of Putin's army have steadily been loosing ground. Interesting... a SU-34 has been downed near Kupiansk. In theory that is occupied territory. I think you got your prediction way out of reality.

Meanwhile, for those that have a VPN, please see here why you should not die for Putin not let your loved ones go to this war. Do not die for Putin.

Do not die for Putin.


Sure, it is just that Putin is not subscribed to Amazon Prime and he does not get next day delivery to the front. That is why Russia has fielded an army from the 80's. All those tricks are secret... shhhh don't tell.


I am starting to believe that he may not have 100% grip on Lukash either. Self-preservation is strong in despots.

The first soldier judged, many more to come  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61496428

Do not kill for Putin. Do not die for Putin.

Oh he fought against Nazis, now did he? Care to site how many Nazis he killed, jews he helped (i'd love to read about that) to offset tens of thousand innocent people women and children he murdered, so you feel justified calling him "controversial" instead of straight out condemning this asshole? I'm guessing with such logic, you consider Hitler to be a controversial figure as well? I mean, he drew paintings and surely you can dig up some article of Hitler saving a kitten or a puppy or killing one Nazi at some point in his life before WW2? Are totenkopf, wolfsangle, blacksun, swastikas, and sieg heils are also just "controversial" articles for you, cause you know they were used before Nazi's?

Let's see what's Israelis stance on this point.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/kiev-renames-major-street-to-honor-russian-nazi-collaborator/

But that's back from 2015, i'm sure it has cleaned up since then right? From 2021 article:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-march-in-ukraine-in-annual-tribute-to-nazi-collaborator/

Hmm okay how about other experts on this, the Germans

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/newsroom/regierungspressekonferenz/2505386

I guess Germany and Israel don't know what you know, you should explain to them how this guy was "controversial". The guy literally killed 10.000 of innocent people, and you reluctance to call spade a spade is concerning. This really needs to be a litmus test, if you in any way support a guy that killed 10.000 of thousands  (uncontested) of innocent people you're a Nazi sympathizer or collaborator. He doesn't seem to be so controversial in Ukraine if government (presumably after lots of discussions) decided to name a street in a capital after this murderer.

Edit: If in your eyes Bandera is "controversial" care to provide an example of Nazi collaborators who you don't find to be controversial, or are you saying that all Nazi collaborators are somewhat controversial because they all can claim to be nationalists?  

Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist, who fought against Soviets and against Nazis. Ended up imprisoned in the same concentration camp as Stalin's son IIRC. Allegedly for helping Jews, despite having anti-semitic views. Controversial figure. But that doesn't fit your narrative, does it? Black or white, putinist or nazi, no other options.

Interestingly this little piece just came to my attention

https://news.yahoo.com/covert-operation-back-ukrainian-independence-083000650.html

Looks like this is not the first time around, CIA operation Red Sox, US sponsors Ukrainians who weren't just Nazis but did Nazis' "dirty work". And who's the head of said directly linked Nazi group OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists)? You guessed it, the "hero" Stepan Bandera. Naturally there's Stepana Bandery Avenue 50.488572, 30.512898 in the center of capital, Kyiv, recently named in 2016. If that doesn't say Ukraine is ready for EU i don't know what will. I guess the enemy of my enemy logic... didn't turn out that well with Osama bin Laden either.
This is fine, right!?!?


In other news,
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-18/yellen-confirms-russia-debt-payment-license-extension-unlikely

Ahh the, you default because i won't accept your payment, logic. I'm not sure if USD can be militarized anymore than this, so they decided to totally kill USD as a global reserve currency, how much of the US debt do they expect China to buy up after such antics? US cannot run on balanced budget especially now, so Yellen will need to force EU (Germany/France) to start propping up USD at the cost of EUR. USD/EUR parity incoming. Scholz and Macron are set up to be played hard, guess that's why they're running around the way they do

You watch too much Star Wars.


Yeah about that... the time has passed. While Putin had the West by its gaseous balls, and hadn't started any recent wars, he could have extorted a lot of things for himself and maybe even for Russia if he was so inclined. He pissed away all of his influence. The only "West" he can "dictate" is Lukashenko.

Yep. Maybe we can send something better, for example, combat lasers to fight drones. Russia has a lot of tricks up its sleeve, some of which you don't even know about.

The West is scared shitless not that it can no longer tell Russia what and how it should do, but that Russia will begin to dictate its will to the West. And there is some reason for this fear, because no one knows exactly what is on the mind of an awakened Russian bear with a large club in its paw.

Each type of weapon has its use. Russians tended to send single armored vehicles out, with no air or infantry support, especially at the beginning of the war. Handheld launchers worked great against those. But when Russians try to cross a river with 70+ vehicles, Javelins would be a waste. Drone-spotted artillery fire seems to be Ukrainian favorite in these situations.

But no, don't send the Armata, it'd be a shame to scratch it, would need to be repainted for the next parade.

Azov terrorist organization trials to be held in Russia.
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/05/an-interesting-detail.html