Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 296. (Read 60618 times)

Do you want to talk about it? Of course, Russia is now stronger than the European Union in many aspects. First of all, in the military aspect, and this is the main reason why NATO does not directly intervene in the conflict in Ukraine, the alignment of forces is not in favor of NATO. Europe generally acts here as a victim, a sheep for the slaughter. The beneficiaries of the conflict are the USA, Great Britain, Russia, China, India, possibly the Middle East, but definitely not Europe. Europe is doomed to suffer for many years, from the influx of refugees and from the consequences of its own economic sanctions, Europe is no longer a competitor to the United States on the world stage. Europe does not have the right to say "no" and not support the US in the sanctions war against Russia, but also does not have enough support from the population of Europe to clearly explain to people why their quality of life should deteriorate, and significantly. Europe should start raising the key rate (following the US) to cope with rising inflation and curtail the quantitative easing program launched during the covid-19 pandemic. Europe is on the verge of a big stagflation - inflation against the backdrop of a decline in industrial production. In such unfavorable conditions, both internal disagreements in European countries and disagreements between EU members will intensify, because there are donor countries and recipient countries in the European Union. It is highly likely that the European Union will disintegrate altogether and cease to exist in its current form, because the UK's decision on Brexit was apparently very prudent and timely. Europe has fallen victim to its own tolerance, bringing it to the point of absurdity.
There are numerous testimonies and investigations of the crimes of the current Ukrainian government against their own people in the Donbass since 2014, but who cares when Biden (who himself has mud up to his elbows regarding his son’s machinations in Ukraine) pointed the finger at Putin and said who the real killer is.

Just shows west ignorance...there was war going on in Donbas since 2014, its just that victims were mostly Russian minority in Ukraine,
so not worth your attention, I guess

https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604

I am asking when the WSJ published it. I am not aware of what is "the press united" but I can tell already that the title "Zelensky rejected a peace offer" is already quite interesting.

- There was no war, so there cannot be a "peace offer".
- "Do as I say or I will kill you" is not a peace offer, is a threat. So the title would be "Zelensky decided to resist Putin's threat instead".

This goes once more to the argument of Putin deciding what can and cannot be done in Ukraine by the use of force and, somehow, blaming Ukraine for it.


Yes, it is a good idea not to say that other than in a stand-up comedy.




I see.

Umm, no, WSJ...but you have to pay to view whole article:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/vladimir-putins-20-year-march-to-war-in-ukraineand-how-the-west-mishandled-it-11648826461

funny that you picked RT because it fits your narrative, although RT is source for other stuff in that article, and not the
one Paxmao asked...also, your RT link doesn't work

https://www.wsj.com/articles/vladimir-putins-20-year-march-to-war-in-ukraineand-how-the-west-mishandled-it-11648826461
More from Alexander https://youtu.be/IPF-iP3fE9k

Kherson now on independence course from Ukraine. This looks more and more like the break up of Yugoslavia. How many countries will it split into?
Luhansk and Donetsk already independend


Meanwhile Chinese foreign ministers tweet


"Fair world order" as in Bitcoin is on the way, down with the globalists "New world order".  Go Bitcoin go.

In my opinion, the soldiers of the Russian army are doing their job and doing it well. I do not rule out that there may be individual episodes of cases of unjustified cruelty among Russian soldiers in relation to civilians - this is the prerogative of a military tribunal and it is not for me to judge this.

Russian troops redeployed from near Kyiv to Donbass a few days ago, and yesterday photos of bound corpses with fresh wounds appeared. The corpses themselves are not fake, but who did it? I hope you have no problems with critical thinking to independently compare the facts and restore the sequence of events.

Here is a joyful statement by the mayor of Bucha on March 31 about the liberation of the city from "Russian occupiers". Not a word about the corpses on the streets and the atrocities of Russian soldiers, a complete victory. And two days later, those terrible photos appear. Something doesn't add up in this story, don't you think?

Both episodes turned out to be fakes.

Rather, the problem is that a whole factory of fakes is operating in Ukraine, from the banal issuance of old photographs as fresh events, to high-quality montages like videos of Russian aircraft inflicting airstrikes on Paris and Berlin. The production of informational fakes is put on stream in Ukrainian propaganda, and this is a problem for the Russian side, because in the information war the advantage is gained not by the one who tells the truth, but by the one who has a more inflamed and unlimited imagination.

So far, I see clear examples of war crimes only from the Ukrainian side, and they manifest themselves in the fact that the Ukrainian military is actively using civilians as hostages. The army must protect its people, not hide behind them! Go out into the field and fight like a soldier, or lay down your weapons and surrender. Even if you die - your opponent will accept it with respect, and will not consider you a coward who hides behind the backs of women and children whom you were supposed to protect. You may consider the Russians wild barbarians, but we have clear ideas of honor that are incompatible with sadism and violence against unarmed people.

The united Europe takes its current place in the world largely due to the uninterrupted supply of cheap Russian raw materials, oil and gas. The labor of European workers is quite expensive, and Europe needs cheap raw materials and energy in order for European goods to compete in the world market. If supplies from Russia stop, Europe will very soon become bankrupt and will no longer be able to maintain a high standard of living for Europeans. It's as clear as a sunny day, and that's what I meant when I said that Europe needs Russia more than Russia needs Europe.

You are right, the widespread use of Nazism in Ukraine is a excus, not a reason. The security threat to Russia from Ukraine's accession to NATO is no more significant than from Norway's accession to NATO in 1949. There is also the problem of the eight-year genocide of the Russian-speaking population of Donbass, who held a referendum, exercised their right to self-determination and decided to become independent, and then asked Russia for recognition and assistance. Russians do not leave their own in trouble, so now Russian soldiers are fighting side by side with the forces of the people's militia of Donetsk and Lugansk.

But you understand very well that this bulb has many layers and the true causes of this confrontation must be sought not on the surface, but a little deeper. Is fecit, cui prodest. And who is the main beneficiary of the current events in Ukraine and in Europe as a whole? I have an opinion on this, but I will leave this question open for everyone to ask themselves and get their own version of the answer.

I'm not suggesting that Europe kowtow to Russia because Russia is stronger. But it is still good for Europe to be aware of its current weakness whenever it opens its mouth to anti-Russian rhetoric. "Shooting yourself in the foot" is a good metaphor for all European economic sanctions against Russia. Another good metaphor for this - нaзлo мaмкe yши oтмopoжy.

RT is the actual source.  So, Russia.

Would you be in support of war if let's say, Poland makes a request to Russia to deactivate its nuclear arsenal, and if Russia refuses, NATO
invades Russia and bombs their cities?

Would you blame Russia for refusal to disarm its nuclear arsenal?  Would you imply that they are responsible for the war that NATO started?

Same here, Russia had no business annexing part of Ukraine, they had no business telling Ukraine which political, economic, or military alliance they can or cannot join.

What they did is a war of conquest. The NATO expansion talk or denazification and demilitarization are just smokescreens.

They want to annex Ukraine to Russia. Of course, Ukraine, and 40M+ Ukrainians will reject such a 'peaceful proposal'.

Thats easy:

https://thepressunited.com/updates/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj/

I think that is actually true...but then there are USA and UK out there than don't like it...and they play that card for 100+ years already

I normally would not answer to your post, as they seem just links for an algorithm or pure crap, but the look of this pic is just too much. Please, on which day did WJS publish this you say?

In any case, again trying to put the blame on a country for simply deciding for itself where they want to be in the future, as is some divine right assisted Putin in telling them what they can or cannot do.

If there is no desire for peace there wont be any, simple as that.
5 days before it all started

You describe a relationship when one dominates someone else, or when someone depends on another, so he is forced to obey. This is how a lot of things are arranged in Russia, where children in kindergartens are put on their knees and lined up in the letter "Z"¹, where teachers in schools are forced to tell propaganda to children², and parents should help repair the school³. When you sit shut up at work, and everyone around admires how well the neighboring country is being destroyed. There are simply a huge number of such examples in Russia, and all this is based on people's fear for their lives and the lives of their family. But you forgot one thing: it is not acceptable in Europe, unlike Russia, human rights are respected there, there is a legal regime, corruption is not a generally accepted phenomenon. Therefore, when Putin's officials talk rudely at the international level or openly lie, Europe does not get worse from this, it only shows that it is simply not pleasant to conduct a civilized dialogue with Russia and it is better to end it. Europe should not grovel before Putin, as they have pride and the right to choose, unlike Russian citizens. In all the anti-Russian policy that is growing now and has been in the last decades, the Russian government is solely to blame, and no one except the Russian government has had such a strong influence on anti-Russian sentiment in the world. I think everyone knows the expression "shoot yourself in the foot." So this expression fits very many actions of Putin's officials for many years.

1. https://euroradio.fm/ru/ponimaet-li-zapad-chto-pytaetsya-dogovoritsya-s-zombirovannymi
2. https://meduza.io/feature/2022/03/05/osvoboditelnaya-missiya-na-ukraine-eto-neobhodimost
3. https://rg.ru/2013/10/10/reg-szfo/shkola.html

In your view, has Putin's army committed any war crime?

The evidence found are extensive, it would take an army of people just to produce the amount of photographic material, witnesses and declarations. It is simply impossible to hide or deny. The behaviour of the troop  in many locations is from criminal to sub-human and that does not happen without orders.

And just so you do not feel we do not read your crap, there is also abundant evidence that both the maternity and the theatre attacks did happen, were civilians targets and are war crimes, but that is only but the tip of what is being found.

Now, you can move on to the "excuse & whatabout" department of your controllers to provide more excuses and "whattabouts", but the problem of crimes in an modern country with good comms, good satelite coverage and abundance of means to document facts is that you just cannot lie your way out of it. There will be reports, these will be issued by credible organisations and audited by neutral parties and there will be no way that anyone with access to reasonably independent media will believe Putins parallel reality.

And make no mistake, there are consequences of having a country ruled by a known war criminal.


Europe does not hate Russia. Europe has tried to bring Russia into the world commerce and partnerships that allow the development of countries and the progress of the people. Under Putin, Russia cannot be part of this world - imperfect yes - but of progress and (reasonable) freedom.

This war has never been about Nazis. You want to drive the discussion there, but there is simply not a point to hold to. If something is clear in Europe is that Nazis are not welcome in governments.

It's easy to become an enemy of Russia. They made a list of "unfriendly countries" and on the list we have:
Australia, Canada, All of the EU, Iceland, Monaco, Montenegro, New Zealand, Norway, Taiwan, San Marino, Singapore, South Korea, Switzerland, UK and of course US.

All you have to do is condemn the invasion of Ukraine and you're the enemy.

BTW, Ukraine is also listed as "unfriendly"


You're repeating pure Russian propaganda. Those scientists who you're quoting got their scripts straight from the KGB.
The fact that Russia is constantly aiming at restoring its borders from the time of the Soviet Union does not mean that other countries feel the same. As a matter of fact, Russia actively attacked Polish border by sending its agents to Belarus in order to create a fake refugee crisis. Some of the people who were captured trying to cross Polish border from Belarus stated that they flew to Moscow by planes and were then moved by buses to Belarus and told that if they manage to cross the border they will be accepted in the EU and be able to freely travel to Germany and France. This was done to focus Western NATO on the border with Belarus instead of Ukraine. There are even videos of soldiers cutting Polish border fences and aiming laser beams at border patrols to blind them and provoke to use force.

I've seen reports of Russian trolls who were Spreading lies in EU countries, telling people that Ukrainian refugees will take their jobs and Ukrainian women will take their husbands
At the same time Russians were forcing Ukrainians to fight against their countrymen, moving people to Russia by force and then leaving them to freeze in buses, attacking humanitarian corridors and Red Cross warehouses.

Saying that countries who are helping Ukraine are doing it because they secretly want to attack it and annex is such a stupid and baseless claim that only those idiots who worked in Russian web brigades in Ghana could make it up.

In the U.S., this fodder has been sucked into the so-called ANTIFA and BLM for the most part leaving few left-overs for the ultra-right to use.

There was a fake in the maternity hospital, there was also a fake in the theater, why is it not a fake here? As Hitler said in Mein Kampf, "The more monstrous the lie, the more likely it will be believed." According to another version, this is a quote from the Goebbels manual, but radish horseradish is not sweeter. Apparently, the Ukrainian media follow the precepts of their ideological inspirers.

In Ukraine, the glorification of Nazism took place for many years, in Kyiv, thousands of torch marches were held annually in honor of the SS division of Galicia, consisting of Ukrainian nationalists. Numerous monuments and museums of Bandera, streets and avenues named after him in forty cities in Ukraine. The Nazi battalion "Azov" is part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on a regular basis. You are right, there are ultra-right nationalists in different countries of Europe, and I think in Russia too. But usually these are all sorts of hooligans, drug addicts and freaks, but in Ukraine it is an open mainstream and a unifying national idea.

I think many of you saw photos from Buch city where streets is full of ded people, men killed with their hands tied and people buried in mass grave. Guess how Russian defense ministry reacted to it. Everything is staged and faked by Kiev to show it for foreign media and while city was under control of Russia, none of civilians weren't hurt:
https://ria.ru/20220403/minoborony-1781557525.html

Like I said before, you and many other Russians see Nazis everywhere, but it's more like looking for skeletons in th closet. Russia need to find imaginary enemy to justify ther actions. You can find far-right movements around Europe, including Russia, but it's so insignificant and small and they don't play any role to pay much attention to them.
Russophobia is another thing, but it's that Russians aren't liked without any reason. Simply every action have consquences.

That's a really absurd misinterpretation of what Arestovich said. He was certain that Putin will inevitably start a full-scale war against Ukraine, based on Putin's actions over the prior decade or two. That doesn't mean he (or Zelensky, or the Ukrainian government) wanted it, let alone could somehow make Putin attack Ukraine.


There is plenty of other proof now coming out of regions where Russian forces retreated. Burned bodies on roads etc. I don't know why you're trying to muddy the water here with Kremlin propaganda. Of course they'll deny it.

War is war, but this is something else.

There are no bigger enemies than politicians, anywhere in the world.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/there-is-no-contract-for-natural-gas-between-gazprom-in-russia-and-germany