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So now even if Russia is doing steps to protect its national security, you consider it threat?

LOL

I consider the "national security" bullshit a lie.

Finland was one of Russia's most loyal friends. There hasn't been any "national security threat" to Russia from Finland and there won't be. Finns just don't trust Putin anymore - for a good reason. Putin is the biggest threat to Russia's national security so if they could do some "military-technical" things on him that'd be greatly beneficial for everyone.
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Russia will be forced to take retaliatory steps, both of a military-technical and other nature, in order to stop threats to its national security arising.


So now even if Russia is doing steps to protect its national security, you consider it threat?

LOL

Do you think Russia is threatening Ukraine yet?

Finaland joining NATO would really illustrate how incredibly stupid it was for Russia to invade Ukraine.
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Russia will be forced to take retaliatory steps, both of a military-technical and other nature, in order to stop threats to its national security arising.


So now even if Russia is doing steps to protect its national security, you consider it threat?

LOL
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https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1524742847664173057

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Meanwhile Russian "diplomats" are threatening Finland:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/12/russia-threatens-retaliatory-steps-if-finland-joins-nato.html

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Russia will be forced to take retaliatory steps, both of a military-technical and other nature, in order to stop threats to its national security arising.

See above for an example of their "military-technical" capacity.
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One question is, can you counterfeit Russian Rubles in large scale quantities? Since you can steal a presidential election electronically, can you steal Russian gas with electronically manufactured counterfeit Russian Rubles?

If Trump were in office, there would be no war in the Ukraine. There would be peace, and the US wouldn't be destroying itself and taking much of Europe along in that destruction... as Biden is doing to us right now.


European gas importers quietly surrender to Russia and begin buying gas in RUBLES… while the West’s economic warfare scheme disastrously BACKFIRES


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The West is quietly surrendering to Russia, as the Kremlin holds oil and fertilizer as leverage over the West. At the same time, the Biden regime is threatening to send more U.S. weapons and military equipment (up to $20 billion worth) to Azov, the Nazi brigades fighting in Ukraine.

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With Trump we would be now using white suits and gas masks all over the globe.

What the real news is:
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Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi said European companies will be able to pay for gas in rubles without breaching sanctions, apparently dismissing European Union guidance to the contrary.

So the minister of Italy says something, which is "can" and you take it as Europe saying yes? You have open the box, now add 1 +1 here.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/exclusive-eu-considering-curbing-russias-rights-imf-over-invasion-sources-2022-03-04/

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European Union officials are examining curbing Russia's influence and access to finance at the International Monetary Fund following its invasion of Ukraine, six officials told Reuters.

https://www.ft.com/content/2aef066b-3cdb-49c2-9258-38575b4ad799

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The proposals will be published next week, as EU leaders rush to break their dependence on Russian oil and gas following President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. The commission has already said it thought the EU could drive down Russian gas imports by two-thirds this year and has urged member states to replenish their gas storage facilities ahead of next winter.

Keep hold of those Roubles very hard, put them under your blanket. They will go up right? What could go wrong?


So you think you know what some imaginary future would have been with Trump, right? We're seeing YOUR Trump future being played out by Biden right now. And all the evidences of Trump in the past showed a Peacemaker who made America stronger.

On the other hand, what Putin can do or not do is questionable. Are the reports of his nuclear capabilities in the waters around the world true? If they are, you might destroy Russia, but the cost would be so bad that you might as well simply kill yourself. Trump would never have let the situation go to the point where Putin might get scared enough to use his nukes.

And Russia... Russia only needs one more thing to win everything... PEOPLE. Russia owns Siberia, and Siberia has so much material wealth that they don't need anything from the rest of the world.

Furthermore, Russia has the history of the world just like all the other governments do. Communications around the world have provided this knowledge of the past to everyone. Russia knows what works in war and what doesn't. They know what holds a nation together and what doesn't. They know how to appease their people to get them to willingly work for their homeland (unlike Lenin and Stalin and the Bolsheviks). Biden knows this all, as well. But we don't see Biden endearing any average Americans to his ways.

Russia has everything to gain and nothing to lose in a game of standing up to the rest of the world. If Russia's hand is forced, we all go back to the middle ages, or the stone age.

Cool
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Gonzalo Lira (independent journalist in the Ukraine) - Poland will invade Western Ukraine
https://www.bitchute.com/video/hKh831Kof9sZ/

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Suuuure... count on that and repeat with me "I am safe... I am safe..."

As I (and some others) see it, the Jockeying at this point is centered around who gets Odessa.  A land-bridge would be a pretty sweet plumb in the pudding for the Russians since it implies much more defensible gas line routes for their product (and a lot more rubles coming in in exchange for said product.)  OTOH, certain security arrangements with those who end up in control of the re-born 'der tchum-ha-moyshev' could achieve the same effect and their could be a lot of political reasons (e.g., 'technology transfers' and such) to go that way.

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Yes, there is plenty going on at Odessa. Russ ships sunk, troops unable to even get to Mykolaiv, no way of using Snake Island to launch and attack... If you intend to deviate the attention from Belgorod, you have just chosen the "right spot".

You could as well choosen Findland. Do you think Poland will also invade Finland? Another 1340 km of frontier with NATO coming soon. And people laughed when I said that Putin may be a CIA agent... you cannot do it worse.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/12/europe/finland-leaders-join-nato-intl/index.html

And of course Putin does the only thing he know: Threaten. There is no winner to this war other than US, thank to your chief Psychos and you lame leader.

One question is, can you counterfeit Russian Rubles in large scale quantities? Since you can steal a presidential election electronically, can you steal Russian gas with electronically manufactured counterfeit Russian Rubles?

If Trump were in office, there would be no war in the Ukraine. There would be peace, and the US wouldn't be destroying itself and taking much of Europe along in that destruction... as Biden is doing to us right now.


European gas importers quietly surrender to Russia and begin buying gas in RUBLES… while the West’s economic warfare scheme disastrously BACKFIRES


...

The West is quietly surrendering to Russia, as the Kremlin holds oil and fertilizer as leverage over the West. At the same time, the Biden regime is threatening to send more U.S. weapons and military equipment (up to $20 billion worth) to Azov, the Nazi brigades fighting in Ukraine.

...

With Trump we would be now using white suits and gas masks all over the globe.

What the real news is:
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Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi said European companies will be able to pay for gas in rubles without breaching sanctions, apparently dismissing European Union guidance to the contrary.

So the minister of Italy says something, which is "can" and you take it as Europe saying yes? You have open the box, now add 1 +1 here.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/exclusive-eu-considering-curbing-russias-rights-imf-over-invasion-sources-2022-03-04/

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European Union officials are examining curbing Russia's influence and access to finance at the International Monetary Fund following its invasion of Ukraine, six officials told Reuters.

https://www.ft.com/content/2aef066b-3cdb-49c2-9258-38575b4ad799

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The proposals will be published next week, as EU leaders rush to break their dependence on Russian oil and gas following President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. The commission has already said it thought the EU could drive down Russian gas imports by two-thirds this year and has urged member states to replenish their gas storage facilities ahead of next winter.

Keep hold of those Roubles very hard, put them under your blanket. They will go up right? What could go wrong?
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More evidence of Russian forces killing civilians and looting: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/11/europe/ukraine-video-russian-soldiers-shoot-civilians/index.html



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You need to do better, you're not far enough up Putin's ass - we can still see your feet.

"electronically manufactured" LOL... how do you even find your way to a Bitcoin forum while being so utterly illiterate.
legendary
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One question is, can you counterfeit Russian Rubles in large scale quantities? Since you can steal a presidential election electronically, can you steal Russian gas with electronically manufactured counterfeit Russian Rubles?

If Trump were in office, there would be no war in the Ukraine. There would be peace, and the US wouldn't be destroying itself and taking much of Europe along in that destruction... as Biden is doing to us right now.


European gas importers quietly surrender to Russia and begin buying gas in RUBLES… while the West’s economic warfare scheme disastrously BACKFIRES



When the Russian military crossed into Ukraine and Vladimir Putin stated his military objectives there, European leaders were quick to escalate the situation, imposing sweeping economic and banking sanctions against the Russian people. These sanctions caused a domino effect of unintended consequences throughout Europe and the West.

The United States, Canada and Europe put up a tough, “united front” against Russia, but as their trade war against Russia escalated, supply chains were threatened and prices for valuable commodities increased throughout the West. European leaders talked a big talk against Vladimir Putin from the start, making empty demands without having much leverage at all. Russia responded to the sanctions by demanding that hostile nations in the West pay for Russian energy supplies with gold or Russian rubles. Vladimir Putin called Europe’s bluff and exposed the vulnerabilities of the West.

European gas buyers are now paying for energy in Russian rubles, emboldening Russia

Now the head of the European Central Bank, Mario Draghi, is confirming that European gas buyers are paying for energy in Russian rubles.  Draghi now says that “most gas importers” have opened up Ruble accounts with Gazprom and have acquiesced to Russian demands. One after the other, European gas buyers are violating the EU’s sanctions against Russia, as Western tough talk becomes nothing but a mere echo of weakness. The world’s reserve currency – the U.S. dollar – is taking a historic blow in the process, as Russia circumvents the petrodollar.

The West is quietly surrendering to Russia, as the Kremlin holds oil and fertilizer as leverage over the West. At the same time, the Biden regime is threatening to send more U.S. weapons and military equipment (up to $20 billion worth) to Azov, the Nazi brigades fighting in Ukraine.

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Cool
legendary
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Zelensky (and, by implication, his sponsor Kolomoyskyi) are talking about a very loose border with 'brotherly' Poland, maybe even to the degree that it won't even be necessary to use the dirty-word 'border' since it conflicts with the woke principles of 'openness' and 'unity'.

Your conspiracies are getting desperate. There are no borders between most countries in Europe. Nothing to do with conspiracies or wokeness or invasions, just business. Like there are no borders between states in the US.

There was last time I crossed into California three or four years ago.  You even have to stop and show them what food you might be carrying right under the "Welcome to California" sign.

Anyway, I'm not expecting the Russians to completely de-nazify the place and do anticipate a restive population for a while.  I'm going to guess that a commonly heard phrase in the W,NW areas is going to be something like: 'Pokaż mi swoje dokumenty...cyкa'.  We'll just have to see.  Maybe not as most of this stuff will be just a scan, and Zelensky, while he doesn't seem to give two shits about Ukrainian soldiers getting waxed, it pretty hot on the idea of getting the civilian slavs vaxxed and chipped in order to align with the great reset.

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Zelensky (and, by implication, his sponsor Kolomoyskyi) are talking about a very loose border with 'brotherly' Poland, maybe even to the degree that it won't even be necessary to use the dirty-word 'border' since it conflicts with the woke principles of 'openness' and 'unity'.

Your conspiracies are getting desperate. There are no borders between most countries in Europe. Nothing to do with conspiracies or wokeness or invasions, just business. Like there are no borders between states in the US.
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Gonzalo Lira (independent journalist in the Ukraine)
 - Poland will invade Western Ukraine
https://www.bitchute.com/video/hKh831Kof9sZ/

Maybe Lira is reading my work on this forum.

Zelensky (and, by implication, his sponsor Kolomoyskyi) are talking about a very loose border with 'brotherly' Poland, maybe even to the degree that it won't even be necessary to use the dirty-word 'border' since it conflicts with the woke principles of 'openness' and 'unity'.

Occam's Razor would imply that Zelensky('s various puppet masters) main goal in the conflict with Russia would be to get rid of the nationalist problem when the Western areas go back to their historically 'rightful owners'.

As I (and some others) see it, the Jockeying at this point is centered around who gets Odessa.  A land-bridge would be a pretty sweet plumb in the pudding for the Russians since it implies much more defensible gas line routes for their product (and a lot more rubles coming in in exchange for said product.)  OTOH, certain security arrangements with those who end up in control of the re-born 'der tchum-ha-moyshev' could achieve the same effect and their could be a lot of political reasons (e.g., 'technology transfers' and such) to go that way.

From conspiracy theorist and incel youtuber that goes by "Coach Red Pill", to one of the few independent journalist in Ukraine, probably the world, that have earned the trust of tvbcof.


I'd never heard of the guy before a few months ago...when he was walking around business-as-normal Kiev whilst the Western lamestream media were reporting that the bad bad Rooshins had bombed the city into the stone ages.

Like I said before, anything Lira is or is not reporting now is certainly controlled by someone.  That may or may not have been the case prior to his arrest.  This is intellectually interesting generally and casts an extra element of intrigue on what his is reporting, but I don't expect that to mean anything to you guys in the chimp squad here on this thread.

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Edited to update: Seems like UKR is obtaining some territorial gains in the northeast near Kharkiv. Not an strategic advance to see, but it shows that Putin's army cannot really hold all the occupied territory without unacceptable loses.

Belgorod is now within artillery range.


Your source.
 
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Russia was our friend and ally in the procurement of weapons in the early 1990s. The Russians supplied us with weapons at the request of France. I am a witness to that - says Marin Tomulić in the conversation we had on Wednesday in Paris. - Now it is considered that the Russians were and remain allies of the Serbs. But during the Homeland War, they armed us, not the Serbs - he adds.

Your source states that Russia sent or sold weapons at the request of France - let's say that is accepted. But, you are ignoring the direct intervention of USA in the conflict in 1999. It was not until this intervention ramped up that the war had a end in sight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars#Timeline

I can see you are looking at only the half of the story - the one that reinforces your views.




I'm Croat...NATO intervention from 1999 has nothing to do with our war, which ended in 1995
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Gonzalo Lira (independent journalist in the Ukraine)

From conspiracy theorist and incel youtuber that goes by "Coach Red Pill", to one of the few independent journalist in Ukraine, probably the world, that have earned the trust of tvbcof.
legendary
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Gonzalo Lira (independent journalist in the Ukraine) - Poland will invade Western Ukraine
https://www.bitchute.com/video/hKh831Kof9sZ/

Maybe Lira is reading my work on this forum.

Zelensky (and, by implication, his sponsor Kolomoyskyi) are talking about a very loose border with 'brotherly' Poland, maybe even to the degree that it won't even be necessary to use the dirty-word 'border' since it conflicts with the woke principles of 'openness' and 'unity'.

Occam's Razor would imply that Zelensky('s various puppet masters) main goal in the conflict with Russia would be to get rid of the nationalist problem when the Western areas go back to their historically 'rightful owners'.

As I (and some others) see it, the Jockeying at this point is centered around who gets Odessa.  A land-bridge would be a pretty sweet plumb in the pudding for the Russians since it implies much more defensible gas line routes for their product (and a lot more rubles coming in in exchange for said product.)  OTOH, certain security arrangements with those who end up in control of the re-born 'der tchum-ha-moyshev' could achieve the same effect and their could be a lot of political reasons (e.g., 'technology transfers' and such) to go that way.

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I don't really understand war yet, but I certainly feel very concerned about the Russia-Ukraine conflict, hopefully in the future the two countries will find a better light.
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Edited to update: Seems like UKR is obtaining some territorial gains in the northeast near Kharkiv. Not an strategic advance to see, but it shows that Putin's army cannot really hold all the occupied territory without unacceptable loses.

Belgorod is now within artillery range.

Russians are now evacuating a village ~10km inside Russia... can you imagine the confusion of people watching TV where everything is peachy and the "special operation" is achieving all its objectives, but now 3 months in they have to leave their village because... reasons.

https://tass.com/emergencies/1449651
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Edited to update: Seems like UKR is obtaining some territorial gains in the northeast near Kharkiv. Not an strategic advance to see, but it shows that Putin's army cannot really hold all the occupied territory without unacceptable loses.

Belgorod is now within artillery range.


Your source.
 
What kind of evidence do you need? That Azov militants wear SS chevrons, torture and kill captured Russian soldiers? That the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine use the houses of civilians as ammunition depots and firing points? That the provocation in Bucha was staged, filmed with professional film equipment and sewn with white thread? Are you sure that there is not enough evidence in this topic and are you ready to adequately perceive new ones?

You know perfectly well that Russia does not recognise the Azov troops as soldiers, but has classed them as terrorist. If Putin does not intend to give them the rights of fighting soldiers (not that he seems to care much for these anyway) why all this complaints about them doing this or that?

Either they are soldiers in which case all that tatoo checking, filtration, questioning and torturing by Russia is a crime or they are not soldiers in which case you cannot complain about them theoretically not acting under the rules of war.

Apart from blatant lies, you do not even seem to pretend to have equanimity at all.

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What kind of evidence do you need? That Azov militants wear SS chevrons, torture and kill captured Russian soldiers? That the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine use the houses of civilians as ammunition depots and firing points? That the provocation in Bucha was staged, filmed with professional film equipment and sewn with white thread? Are you sure that there is not enough evidence in this topic and are you ready to adequately perceive new ones?
Evidence usually something than just words. If Ukrainians really killed captured Russian soldiers in the way as it was described, I don't justify it, but you really want to say that Russians didn't killed captured Ukrainians? Like one of soldiers from Azovstal which was shown in one Russian video and later photo of him lying shot dead was published. And what if troops who are fighting in Azovstal now will be captured, I'm sure that faith of them will be similar.
Ukrainians use civilian houses as ammunition depots and firing points - with this excuse you can justify all attacks on civilian objects. Like supermarket in Odesa - was it ammunition depot?
And Bucha, I still haven't saw any proof that it was staged, everything shows opposite. And professional film equipment - c'mon, now most of phones can film almost like professiona camera with 4K quality.
legendary
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What kind of evidence do you need? That Azov militants wear SS chevrons, torture and kill captured Russian soldiers? That the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine use the houses of civilians as ammunition depots and firing points? That the provocation in Bucha was staged, filmed with professional film equipment and sewn with white thread? Are you sure that there is not enough evidence in this topic and are you ready to adequately perceive new ones?

As far as propaganda attempts, this is a good effort. You take a known fact (some nazi symbols are known to have been worn by soldiers in this war, some by Ukrainians, some by Russians, but I'm betting you're ignoring the latter one), an unconfirmed video (allegedly Ukrainian soldiers shooting war prisoners), speculation (firing points in "houses of civilians"), and a blatant lie (Bucha was "staged"), and try to pass it all as facts. This works well on Channel 1 of Russian TV and may impress some bitchute viewers in this thread, but for sane people it sounds like the abject nonsense that it is.
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