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he has video evidence

You linked to a youtube video of him talking about it. That's not "video evidence".
What kind of evidence do you need? That Azov militants wear SS chevrons, torture and kill captured Russian soldiers? That the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine use the houses of civilians as ammunition depots and firing points? That the provocation in Bucha was staged, filmed with professional film equipment and sewn with white thread? Are you sure that there is not enough evidence in this topic and are you ready to adequately perceive new ones?
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he has video evidence

You linked to a youtube video of him talking about it. That's not "video evidence".

He means "that kind of evidence", I think I need to manufacture a word for it ... "notvidence"..."schproof"..."lie-vidence"... "miss-proof".
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Us in Croatia have similar problem, WW2 quislings are in power and try to
undermine any traces of antifascism left...we're ashamed of Marshal Tito
been a Croat, imagine that

What kind of nonsense are you talking about, aren't the children of the worst communists in power since the existence of independent Croatia? See who was the fathers of the current prime minister and this communist fool of the president who shames the state with every statement he makes.

Tito is one of the greatest criminals in history and anyone who still considers him a positivist should be ashamed. 400 000 Croats killed after WW2 are no myth, but you obviously studied history in some other schools. I am ashamed that people like you declare themselves Croats, and we know very well who you really are...

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See? Do you need more proof? Same going on in Ukraine
people like Lucius hate Russia because it sold us weapons so we could kick Milosevic ass

Are you sure that it was Russia who helped kicking Milosevic out?

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After the London Conference, NATO planned an aggressive new air campaign against the Bosnian Serbs. On August 28, 1995, Serb forces launched a mortar shell at the Sarajevo marketplace killing 37 people. Admiral Leighton Smith, the NATO commander recommended that NATO launch retaliatory air strikes under Operation Deliberate Force.[12] On August 30, 1995, NATO officially launched Operation Deliberate Force with large-scale bombing of Serb targets. The bombing lasted until September 20, 1995 and involved attacks on 338 individual targets.

On regards to Titus, for me has the same level of respectability as any other despot. In my book that's below zero.
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he has video evidence

You linked to a youtube video of him talking about it. That's not "video evidence".
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Radio show of a known putinist repeats Putin's talking points. I wonder how that happened.
This guy was in Ukraine for two weeks, he saw everything with his own eyes and he has video evidence. Evidence has no nationality and political convictions - they either prove something, or they are not evidence. I understand that you are mired in the propaganda lies of the West and are ready to reject any opinion that runs counter to yours, but the truth will always find its way, sooner or later.
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Radio show of a known putinist repeats Putin's talking points. I wonder how that happened.

See? Do you need more proof? Same going on in Ukraine

Exactly, some dimwits there are also proud of "Marshal Stalin" and kill people who think otherwise.

That doesn't make it right though.
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Us in Croatia have similar problem, WW2 quislings are in power and try to
undermine any traces of antifascism left...we're ashamed of Marshal Tito
been a Croat, imagine that

What kind of nonsense are you talking about, aren't the children of the worst communists in power since the existence of independent Croatia? See who was the fathers of the current prime minister and this communist fool of the president who shames the state with every statement he makes.

Tito is one of the greatest criminals in history and anyone who still considers him a positivist should be ashamed. 400 000 Croats killed after WW2 are no myth, but you obviously studied history in some other schools. I am ashamed that people like you declare themselves Croats, and we know very well who you really are...

@Paxmao

See? Do you need more proof? Same going on in Ukraine
people like Lucius hate Russia because it sold us weapons so we could kick Milosevic ass
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Interview with volunteer Adrien Bocquet (in French), who recently returned from Ukraine and talks about a lot of interesting things, including the re-enactment in Bucha, filmed by American cameramen and about the war crimes of the Azov Nazis.

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Azov fighters are everywhere. With neo-Nazi stripes. It shocks me that Europe is supplying weapons to neo-Nazis. On their uniforms, SS symbols are embroidered everywhere. Not only do they not hide their views. They advertise them. I worked with these people and treated them. They openly say that they are ready to destroy blacks and Jews.
Being there, there was nothing I could do. Just watch and make videos. I have this footage and will use it as evidence of Ukraine's crimes.
I witnessed how the Ukrainian military shot through the knees of captured Russian soldiers and shot in the head higher-ranking officers.
I have personally seen American cameramen making fake footage from the scene of the events, staging staging.
All destroyed civilian buildings, given out by Ukraine for bombardment of civilians, are nothing more than the result of inaccurate shooting by Ukrainians at military facilities.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine hide ammunition in residential buildings at night, without even informing the residents. This is called using people as a shield.
Bucha is a staging. The bodies of the victims were moved from other places and deliberately placed in such a way as to produce a shocking footage.
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2022.05.11 Ukraine Officers Are Abandoning Their Men
https://www.bitchute.com/video/0Pg0I0oET0Rb/

I currently get my highest rated information from on-the-ground footage.  Ukraine isn't my highest priority in life so I really have not validate what Lira is saying here, but such a scenario (Zelensky/Kolomoyskyi trying really hard to get as many Ukrainian soldiers as possible dead and officers bailing) would not surprise me in the least.  Indeed, I have to wonder if some noticeable percentage of 'captured' Ukrainian soldiers/conscripts might voluntarily to switch sides.

About Lira, it's a pretty interesting situation.  It's almost necessary to assume that he is working under the protection of some elements of the internal security apparatus of Ukraine after his arrest.  (Probably before, too, for that matter.)  It's similarly certain that his reporting would not deviate radically from that which his captors/benefactors wish.  That tells me that there are likely deep fractures and a range of motives/motivations within the government.

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Us in Croatia have similar problem, WW2 quislings are in power and try to
undermine any traces of antifascism left...we're ashamed of Marshal Tito
been a Croat, imagine that

What kind of nonsense are you talking about, aren't the children of the worst communists in power since the existence of independent Croatia? See who was the fathers of the current prime minister and this communist fool of the president who shames the state with every statement he makes.

Tito is one of the greatest criminals in history and anyone who still considers him a positivist should be ashamed. 400 000 Croats killed after WW2 are no myth, but you obviously studied history in some other schools. I am ashamed that people like you declare themselves Croats, and we know very well who you really are...
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No, I meant the one in Kyiv.  The one that would be naive and foolish to think wouldn't happen.  Why didn't they have one there?


Ukraine probably consider them losing side in WW2, so thats probably reason.
Us in Croatia have similar problem, WW2 quislings are in power and try to
undermine any traces of antifascism left...we're ashamed of Marshal Tito
been a Croat, imagine that
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Edited to add: This is described as a T90. One single hit and looks artillery since there is no missile trail and the guys were not in movement? Nothing alive came out - Please, do not die like this for Putin!

https://youtu.be/fPyHkrRDHgg?t=8

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Ukraine will almost certainly get Western precision-guided rounds as part of the package. The American-developed M982 and M982A1 Excalibur artillery shells can home in on a set of GPS coordinates, and unlike artillery of the past, can hit a target with the first round. Excalibur is so precise, the U.S. Army claims, it will hit within two meters of the target “regardless of range.”

However, it is a completely different thing how the tanks react to a hit. At first, they are unlikely to know if it is artillery, a drone, an MANPAD or a Stugna-P or even a land mine. However, no matter what it is, the only thing that is clearly wrong is to sit in there. Tactical Cannon Fodder sent there by a soulless leadership.

These are very expensive. Not sure what the advantage is over e.g. Switchblade (speed?) but I thought it would be rare to see Excaliburs in action, maybe against juicy target like radars.

The switchblade is very cheap true, and you got a point on the Excalibur (still the cost is 1/20 of an average main battle tank and the kill is 99.9% certain in such an open terrain). The 300 cannot deal with a proper tank / APC and I do not know if UKR got the 600's. Even the 600 may not give full certainty of kill when hitting a modern main battletank. Also, their flight time is limited, so they are to be used when there is certainty of finding a target within their range (artillery would normally have more range). Lastly, they are slow.

To be honest, the simplest explanation may be that artillery was there and switchblades were not. I would like to see an weapons analyst take a good look at this video, I guess it will happen at some point.

100 km? Are you sure? Anyway, yes these are modern artillery and there seems to be very good geoloc passed to them. Now that I think of it, they may have used NATO guided shells, specific for this smaller targets. That would explain the amazing precision. They do not look like the shells that can actually kill 2 tanks with one round.

One of my local newspaper portals claims that this is possible with a projectile BAE MS-SGP. Translated with GT.

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Moreover, 100 km can be achieved with the new BAE MS-SGP projectile (Multi Service-Standard Guided Projectile). The first version of the M777 howitzer had only an optical, and the M777A1 version a digital fire control system. The latest version of the M777A2 has upgraded software so it can fire Excalibur missiles and has been in constant use since 2007.
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It may be interesting to note that there is speculation that the total number of howitzers is about 90, with as many as 144 000 missiles/rounds. If each howitzer had only 2 successful hits each week, it's not hard to calculate what that means on a monthly basis.

So in essence the howis can fire guided missiles and reach 100 km.... interesting. By taking a look at the current map, Kherson is 100% in that range from Mykolaiv. In Russian territory Belgorod is fully in range for Kharkiv. Even less sophisticated stuff could reach the 50km between the border and Belgorod. A pity the missile launching positions in Crimea are not in that range.

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Ukraine will almost certainly get Western precision-guided rounds as part of the package. The American-developed M982 and M982A1 Excalibur artillery shells can home in on a set of GPS coordinates, and unlike artillery of the past, can hit a target with the first round. Excalibur is so precise, the U.S. Army claims, it will hit within two meters of the target “regardless of range.”

However, it is a completely different thing how the tanks react to a hit. At first, they are unlikely to know if it is artillery, a drone, an MANPAD or a Stugna-P or even a land mine. However, no matter what it is, the only thing that is clearly wrong is to sit in there. Tactical Cannon Fodder sent there by a soulless leadership.

These are very expensive. Not sure what the advantage is over e.g. Switchblade (speed?) but I thought it would be rare to see Excaliburs in action, maybe against juicy target like radars.

Especially combating T72's, where the crew is practically sitting right on their ammo. These could be fought easily and on the cheap using older, unguided anti-tank-weapons. They need closer distance, though, which is not the most favourite in face of an army that tries to break the world record in war crimes.

The 72's are "easy" to kill compared to others, but they are tanks. If you see them, they see you. There is an interview with the guy that was with Waly the Canadian sniper that speaks about tanks being spotted but out of range of Javs and actually them being spotted by a tank and shot at.

Javs are great for intimidation (keeping Russ tank officers inside their turrets and thus less "aware"), for urban warfare and to provide infantry with some means of defence against armour. Older AT's... that is a bit of a last resource in open field.
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100 km? Are you sure? Anyway, yes these are modern artillery and there seems to be very good geoloc passed to them. Now that I think of it, they may have used NATO guided shells, specific for this smaller targets. That would explain the amazing precision. They do not look like the shells that can actually kill 2 tanks with one round.

One of my local newspaper portals claims that this is possible with a projectile BAE MS-SGP. Translated with GT.

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The barrel of the howitzer is 39 calibers, which enables the initial speed with the strongest "8" gunpowder charge of 827 m / s. This achieves a maximum range of 24 km with the unassisted, or 30 km, with the ammunition-assisted rocket engine. The range on the latest version of the M777A2 (older versions of the M777 and M777A1 have been upgraded) has been increased to 40 km. This is due to the use of state-of-the-art M982 Excalibur guided ammunition. Moreover, 100 km can be achieved with the new BAE MS-SGP projectile (Multi Service-Standard Guided Projectile). The first version of the M777 howitzer had only an optical, and the M777A1 version a digital fire control system. The latest version of the M777A2 has upgraded software so it can fire Excalibur missiles and has been in constant use since 2007.
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It may be interesting to note that there is speculation that the total number of howitzers is about 90, with as many as 144 000 missiles/rounds. If each howitzer had only 2 successful hits each week, it's not hard to calculate what that means on a monthly basis.
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There seems to be much doubt on the tank group on what to do, something like "hey looks like Boris's been hit. Let's stop right here, to present a better target ourselves".

Deer in the headlights. Let's stand still, maybe they won't see us and are aiming blind at one spot. Oops, sorry guys I was wrong.
When you see that flare bursting, you know they got them good. Ammunition is cooking in there.

Another day of victory for the Russians. They'll be having their victories every day from now on.

-tell Vladimir we have another victory. We've managed to capture another village, our troops are looting already.
-at what cost?
-2 APCs, 1 Tank, one supply truck
-not great, not terrible
-and a SU35S
-Blyat!
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Breaking news!  Western media releases footage, provided by high level sources from within Ukraine, from the catacombs of Avozstal showing preparations for stunning breakout and subsequent recapture of Mariupol.



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Ukraine will almost certainly get Western precision-guided rounds as part of the package. The American-developed M982 and M982A1 Excalibur artillery shells can home in on a set of GPS coordinates, and unlike artillery of the past, can hit a target with the first round. Excalibur is so precise, the U.S. Army claims, it will hit within two meters of the target “regardless of range.”

However, it is a completely different thing how the tanks react to a hit. At first, they are unlikely to know if it is artillery, a drone, an MANPAD or a Stugna-P or even a land mine. However, no matter what it is, the only thing that is clearly wrong is to sit in there. Tactical Cannon Fodder sent there by a soulless leadership.

These are very expensive. Not sure what the advantage is over e.g. Switchblade (speed?) but I thought it would be rare to see Excaliburs in action, maybe against juicy target like radars.

Especially combating T72's, where the crew is practically sitting right on their ammo. These could be fought easily and on the cheap using older, unguided anti-tank-weapons. They need closer distance, though, which is not the most favourite in face of an army that tries to break the world record in war crimes.
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Ukraine will almost certainly get Western precision-guided rounds as part of the package. The American-developed M982 and M982A1 Excalibur artillery shells can home in on a set of GPS coordinates, and unlike artillery of the past, can hit a target with the first round. Excalibur is so precise, the U.S. Army claims, it will hit within two meters of the target “regardless of range.”

However, it is a completely different thing how the tanks react to a hit. At first, they are unlikely to know if it is artillery, a drone, an MANPAD or a Stugna-P or even a land mine. However, no matter what it is, the only thing that is clearly wrong is to sit in there. Tactical Cannon Fodder sent there by a soulless leadership.

These are very expensive. Not sure what the advantage is over e.g. Switchblade (speed?) but I thought it would be rare to see Excaliburs in action, maybe against juicy target like radars.
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Interesting stuff about Chief of the General Staff of Russian ARmy Vladimir Gerasimov. He wasn't seen on 9th May parade yesterday:
https://www.newsweek.com/valery-gerasimov-russian-general-victory-day-parade-missing-1704798
There is one possibilty that when he visited Izyum in Ukraine, he was wounded and now in hospital. But there is another prediction that Putin removed him from this position.

A single remote message with information that has not been confirmed does not make the entire channel an unreliable source. With this approach, you will not have any sources at all.
It's not just single message, it's regular thing. There is even rumour that some Russian media isn't allowed to quote Kadyrov without permission from above:
https://rus.ozodi.org/a/31835983.html

Ooops... I took me a while to realise. Snake Island will be used as the bait for the Russian navy in the B.S. There is no intention to "re -capture" in the short term, just to make it look like it could actually be captured and destroy anything getting near by. Quite strategic giving it's proximity to Romania and other countries in the Balcans. Short of a Cuba.
Something like Chornobaivka, right? But in general, I don't think that strategically Snake Island is most imporant object for both sides.

Not the most, that would be Odessa and the south coast. However, this island is very close to NATO. I admit that is nightmare to defend so what I am saying may just not be realistic.
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Interesting stuff about Chief of the General Staff of Russian ARmy Vladimir Gerasimov. He wasn't seen on 9th May parade yesterday:
https://www.newsweek.com/valery-gerasimov-russian-general-victory-day-parade-missing-1704798
There is one possibilty that when he visited Izyum in Ukraine, he was wounded and now in hospital. But there is another prediction that Putin removed him from this position.

A single remote message with information that has not been confirmed does not make the entire channel an unreliable source. With this approach, you will not have any sources at all.
It's not just single message, it's regular thing. There is even rumour that some Russian media isn't allowed to quote Kadyrov without permission from above:
https://rus.ozodi.org/a/31835983.html

Ooops... I took me a while to realise. Snake Island will be used as the bait for the Russian navy in the B.S. There is no intention to "re -capture" in the short term, just to make it look like it could actually be captured and destroy anything getting near by. Quite strategic giving it's proximity to Romania and other countries in the Balcans. Short of a Cuba.
Something like Chornobaivka, right? But in general, I don't think that strategically Snake Island is most imporant object for both sides.
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