Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 334. (Read 76906 times)

Aren't Ukrainians already shelling their own for the last 8 years?

The idiocy of Russian propaganda on full display... bragging about destroying evacuation routes

And about attacks on train stations:


Translated:


(except there was no missile hit in Slavyansk but that's a whole other story)

You are right, all those responsible for war crimes must be punished, regardless of the flag under which they commit them. But there is a nuance, the torture and murder of Russian prisoners of war are undeniable and documented, unlike Ukrainian fakes and provocations.

Hm, logical. I thought that the railway connection from Kramatorsk to the west was broken, after the recent rocket attacks on the interchange in Lozova (by the way, the Russian military carried out their strikes at night so as not to catch the civilians). But I think you are right here.

Just think, the Ukrainian military is shooting at civilians in a city in the Donetsk region, such shocking news. The previous eight years of regular shelling of the Donbass apparently does not count, and the recent strike by the Ukrainian Tochka-U on Donetsk is a completely different thing.

Anyone that commits a war crime should be held accountable.

Fortunately the Ukranian war crimes appear to be isolated incidents against Russian soldiers.  Unfortunately it appears Russian soldiers are being given orders to commit war crimes.

Trying to defend Russias policy on unarmed civilians because there's evidence of Ukrainians executing Russian soldiers makes you look like an ass. Although I guess it's better than the completely retarded "The Ukranians are bombing and executing themselves" defense that the guy above me keeps claiming.

The Belarusians fired their Tochka-U missiles at the joint exercises, it's true. The flight range of Tochka-U is 120 km, it will not fly from the territory of Belarus to Kramatorsk. Tochka-U is a good powerful missile, but obsolete, rather slow, and it flies along a ballistic trajectory, although it can steer a little towards the target, for example, to compensate for gusts of wind. If it was not shot down (and the rocket in Kramatorsk worked normally), then by the location of the tail section relative to the epicenter of the impact, it is easy to determine where it came from. Moreover, on the tail section there is a serial number of the missile, by which you can accurately determine which military unit it was in service with. You are not interested in such trifles when you are sure in advance that you are right, right?

According to some characteristic features of this launch, such as one rocket taking off before the second from one point, I can assume that Iskander-K is operating in this video, it has a dual launcher. Tochka-U usually also work in pairs, but from two different installations and with a synchronous start. In this case, it appears to have been a single strike, because there were no reports of a second missile at Kramatorsk.

I don't comment on conspiracy theories. There are easier ways to determine the culprit of what happened - for example, check the serial numbers on the tail of the rocket or analyze its trajectory.

What you are right about is that this is indeed one of the last Tochka-U missiles that were at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Ukraine does not produce these missiles and finishes the remnants of the legacy from the USSR with an expired shelf life of at least 10 years. In the USSR, rockets were made to last, so they still work.

And the reasons for provocations under a false flag are very simple - Ukraine needs to continue to keep the attention of the world community at all costs, so that there are new deliveries of weapons and financial assistance from the West, and the West's sanctions pressure on Russia intensifies, even if it already hurts the West itself.

Not every city, but WP journalists were in the region recently reporting near Kramatorsk: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/02/eastern-ukraine-frontline-scene/ so if you're implying that they arrived there because they were told about the attack on civilians in advance - that's absurd on a few different levels.

Can that phone call really be classified as a war crime? I've watched the video and he clearly says that her son is dead because he was killed by artillery fire. They did not execute him as a POW or anything like that, just found the phone next to a corpse.
Why are they doing it? Because families of Russians who went to Ukraine usually support their actions. They think their kids are fighting for their country, which isn't true. They're invading another country for nothing, because there's nothing to gain for that but maybe medals and promotions if they manage to come back safe. We know most of them don't come back, so it's not even a risk worthy reward for these guys. They used to call families to tell them their children are dead to counter Russian propaganda that used to bury dead soldiers in mass graves and lie to the families that they're still fighting, but as we can see some Ukrainians are starting to lose their temper and taunt victims and their families. I don't support such actions, but this is far from being a war crime if you ask me.

War crimes are being commited by ukrainian soldiers also.

https://twitter.com/OTorresdelCampo/status/1511421975008272391

Russian prisoners knee capped,mutilated and burned.

https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/1508777630836969474

A Russian POW it's dragged on the floor like a corpse and laid besides two Russian corpses. The man recording loads his rifle. The Russian POW begs in terror.
Russian PoWs getts executed.

https://twitter.com/iamavikjordan/status/1509845638749442051?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://twitter.com/KPDanielle1/status/1510686202978045959?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://twitter.com/KPDanielle1/status/1510886293852594181


https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/1507975846384082945

Ukrainian soldier using deceased russian pow phone to call and taunt his/her family

https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1508046216420020225

So your argument is the war is a good thing, two Nazi sides shoot each other, the Ukraine govenment Azov battalion and some lost souls on the other side of the fence.

What about the Australian peace vehicle did they join also?

Reporters from the Washington Post arrived at the train station in Kramatorsk 15 minutes after the attack.
Are they on duty around the clock in every Ukrainian city?

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Patrick Lancaster informed that the body of a dead woman with a swastika was found in the basement of a Mariupol school. Disturbing video! - https://youtu.be/6LQSYmda0Sc
I decided to clarify it, because a few days ago there was a message from the Ukrainian official Alexey Arestovich that this victim was found in Gostomel.

What about the ones you've been defending lately?

Remember once again there will be the same result, no place for Nazis in this world.

Remember when the talking point was that the whole war in Ukraine thing was fake?

Not earlier than, all those who were engaged in torture and murder will be punished.

Don't worry the CNN propaganda machine will bite the dust also.
This is still a pro Bitcoin forum, is't it?

"I hope they don't find all the gold we buried in the red forest"

Russian military bravely looted Chernobyl:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/europe/chernobyl-russian-withdrawal-intl-cmd/index.html


There's hope that Darwin may eventually catch up with some of them because apparently they also took radioactive samples from a lab.

I didn't expected to hear something different from you. Ok, let's debunk it:
1. Russian forces used Tochka-U in military training in Belarus just before war in Ukraine:
https://rg.ru/2022/02/15/na-ucheniiah-v-belarusi-otrabatyvaiut-puski-raket-i-podderzhku-oboroniaiushchihsia-vojsk.html
It's also possibe that attack was made using Belarus owned Tochka-U, but I don't think that it change something.
2. You're saying that it flew from southwest, but there is reports and video taht Tochka-U was released from Shakhtarsk direction, which is controlled by Russia:
https://t.me/itsdonetsk/11817
3. Kramatorsk station was hited on 10:30 AM local time, but on Russian media there was message about it on 10:25 AM local time. Interesting that tweet was made via TweetDeck - tool used to make scheduled tweets:
https://twitter.com/rianru/status/1512345886268997632
4. Day before this attack on one pro-Russian Telegram channel there was post for people who are leaving Kramatorsk, Slovyansk and near cities suggesting to avoid railway transport:
https://imgur.com/TVZMOlu
And after all, I don't see why Ukraine would need to kill their own citizens, especially in such expensive way - they don't have that much Tochka-U missiles.

I think some of the posts here help so much the Ukrainian cause. I mean, the ones from be.open mostly.

It sounds like he's talking about Putin's "victories" getting closer to Moscow. Soon we'll be hearing about Russians heroically looting Voronezh to prevent anything valuable from falling into the hands of nazis.