Topic: Sanction isn't the right option - page 2. (Read 2747 times)

Sanctions will not directly hit the target but they will only make innocent people suffer. Ordinary civilians are already suffering because of the war and it will be inhuman if they would let them suffer harder because of sanctions wherein they couldn't avoid. Sanctions could never stop the war or solve conflicts. It will only make the situation worse especially for ordinary people.

Surely sanctions will not solve problems, citizens who do not like war will feel direct consequences, for example are financial sanctions, usually all assets and finances of residents affected by sanctions will be blocked and this is very detrimental to them, sanctions will only make problems become more complicated.

These are not fascist views, so don't label them. I proceed from the fact that, in terms of the form of government, the Russian Federation is a republic where the people, the nation, are vested with the highest power in the country. The people elect or hire senior government officials to a certain position and determine the scope of their rights and duties. These officials must act within and on the basis of the Constitution, its laws and regulations. Such a social structure is fixed, with some exceptions, in all civilized states. Therefore, the people, the nation is responsible for the actions of its officials, including if a half-witted senile with imperial ambitions turns out to be in power. For such cases, the people must provide for effective forms of dismissal or recall of such an official from office. Also in this case, no state or their officials have the right to interfere in the internal affairs of a foreign state. I repeat once again: with such a structure of state power, only the people, the nation is responsible for the actions of their officials in power. Unless, of course, you consider Russia to be a monarchy in terms of the form of government - a kingdom, a kingdom, an empire, etc., where the sovereign ruler is not responsible and does not account for his actions to the people. I am a lawyer by education and profession and I know what I write. There is no manifestation of fascist views in my judgments. I do not put a certain nation on some grounds above other nations.

I am glad that you openly express your fascist views here on the forum.

On the other hand, is the nation of Russians really not to blame for the fact that civilians are dying every day in Ukraine, their homes, schools, hospitals, etc. are being destroyed. This is not done by the nation of Russians? Maybe Ukraine is attacked by aliens? Or are they husbands, children, fathers and brothers of those "innocent" Russians? And about 300 thousand Russian soldiers and officers who are being killed in Ukraine, are they also innocent?
Something in Russia is not visible at all mass protests against the war. And according to polls, more than half of the "innocent" residents of Russia support Putin's actions to seize Ukraine. No, all citizens of Russia should bear responsibility for this.

I was of the same option since the start of the war.
How many countries USA has bombed - yet they are superpower no sanctions. This is will keep going on when powerful will suppress the weak and there will be innocent killing and hatred in the world

We need a international system wherein we need to punish leaders not the nation's. What wrong did common Russians or Iranians had committed to suffer sanctions. NATO at the door of Russia, and Russia hits Ukraine...this could had been prevented and Manny ukrainian lives could have been saved. Only if common sense had prevailed.

it is better to persuade the government to immediately stop the war.

It is true that economic sanctions may break the backs of many countries. The country will become poor, maybe try to be self-sufficient, if it can, it will be able to survive, but it will not be able to shout at all. However, these theories may apply to Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea. But what happens when you try to play this kind of game with superpowers?

The greatest lesson of history is that no one learns from history. The same thing that is being done with Russia today is being done with Germany. Following Germany's defeat in World War I, Germany was burdened with a huge debt burden of about 269 billion gold coins. In terms of money, it is equivalent to 1 lakh tons of gold. The sole purpose of imposing this huge debt was that France and Britain wanted Germany to break the economic deadlock and not even think of war for the next hundred years. A master plan to subdue Germany without a war.

The problem is, only the weak die in the rice without hitting the hand. If you want to kill someone who has a sword in his hand, he will snatch the rice from you.

This humiliating chapter of the Treaty of Versailles provoked widespread outrage inside Germany. The Allies were to blame for Germany's economic woes at the time, and the people were agitating. When Hit-Lar finally came to power, he completely refused to repay the loan.

This debt burden and all the degrading chapters of the 1st Treaty of Versailles led to the rise of extremism in Germany. By capitalizing on which, the national hero becomes a hit-and-run offensive. Those who pushed for the treaty rather than cripple Germany seemed to invite more rather than avoid war through the treaty. Everyone knows the history of violence in the rest of Europe.

The context is not exactly the same, but how realistic is it if the West thinks that Russia will continue to weaken the economy by quietly imposing sanctions on this huge military power? It is possible to put pressure on Russia on various issues if we have economic relations. But when Russia is left completely helpless, will they apologize to the West as helpless? It is difficult to believe that Russia will do that with such a huge military force. When the Russians turn from angry to extremist against the West over Russia's problems, there may be a repeat of what happened in Germany. Which will devastate Europe.

They concede that the attempt to economically cripple Germany at the end of World War I was suicidal, which is why German leaders were tried after World War II but no attempt was made to harm the German nation. But they want to do the same thing with Russia again. It remains to be seen whether the outcome will be the same again or not.

Sanction will certainly make a greater impact on the country, those who are not involved with war will feel long suffering, we must find the best solution besides sanction, and many things that can be done without having to apply sanctions as happened with many countries such as Iraq , North Korea, and so on.

No one really knows yet there were no news or information that surfaced out in talking about on whats happening internally in Russia thats why we cant really make
out presumptions whether they are on the verge of difficulties or simply just laughing and doesnt really care about sanctions and cutting off ties with other countries.
The war isnt over yet and still continuing which does indicate at least that they are holding strong despite of those sanctions or other related things against Russia.
Im not belittling this country but it is really just hard to believe that they could really withstand with this kind of situation.

That is what I wanted to point out. Half a year has passed. Those who made sanctions against Russia is now in a worst situation than before sanctions. When then those sanctions would start to give first positive effect on those who nominate them?

Your phrase means that we just need to wait and Russia will start to feel negative impact from sanctions. But Russia isnt sitting still. Who knows what they are doing and developing right now? Lots has moved from Russia, including foreign agents and informers. No we know less what is going on in Russia.

The thing is - it is true that the sanction is not the right option.
I said that so many times earlier. EU is not putting Russia in trouble but they are putting their own self and other countries in trouble.
They have pressurised Pakistan and Sri Lanka to vote against Russia - and when they didn't - they changed the government- what a mess going on those two countries too.

That is what I wanted to point out. Half a year has passed. Those who made sanctions against Russia is now in a worst situation than before sanctions. When then those sanctions would start to give first positive effect on those who nominate them?

Your phrase means that we just need to wait and Russia will start to feel negative impact from sanctions. But Russia isnt sitting still. Who knows what they are doing and developing right now? Lots has moved from Russia, including foreign agents and informers. No we know less what is going on in Russia.

The effectiveness of sanctions cannot be seen immediately.

It seems Russia don't even care about the sanctions, the sanctions are not affecting the Russia.  If the sanctions are affecting Russia badly they would have giving up on the war , it looks as if the sanctions is not working on them. The war  is becoming long no one knows when Russia will quit the war.