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legendary
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hey Mark was great at ripping off all you Gox'tards so he deserves to keep the half billion dollars worth of bitcoin he stole right ?

Slightly desperate analogy Spoetnik.

Mark was running an exchange.

Some miners (like about 5 desperate trollers who get eaten up by this issue every day) don't like Darkcoin because the dev F*cked up the launch. But the story ends there. It's history now and and neither the market nor the mining community have a problem with it any more.

Who to take more seriously when making investment decisions ? The 5 trollers rattling around in their can daily on this thread or the 60 GH/s that's on that coin right now ?

Silly question really  Wink


EXACTLY i couldn't have said it better myself

you just said..

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the dev F*cked up the launch

and you also just said..

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It's history now

precisely it's HISTORY and YES history does in fact matter with a coin.
you don't get to sweep dirt under the rug and pretend nothing shady happened sorry not happening..

you see the problem is many people are denying these facts you just admitted.. hence the replies..
because you DRK fanboys are lying about the coin to get people involved.. and who do you want to take trade advice from ?
me who is calling out a liar or a scamming liar ?

and i am not a troll and neither are any of the other guys.. we have done nothing at all but state the FACTS
Telling the truth to counter people lying is not trolling sorry lol
look up the definition of trolling please because your using it wrong..

I am not "eaten up" by dark coin nor do i hate the coin i hate liars              .
i couldn't care less about the coin to be honest and i actually tried mining it a bit 48 hrs ago roughly lol
but when you scammy crypto-douche bags run around lying and playing game to trick people and pad your wallets
THAT i have a problem with.. the coin itself is pretty much irrelevant..
because you sleazy pricks will simply start lying and scamming about the next coin.. you guys don't give it a rest
you can watch your post history and see you playing all kinds of games trying to sucker noobs for cash  Roll Eyes

if anyone is trolling it's you buddy..
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We differ on the instamine...

Although i think some of the pow phases are getting way too short, there is no chance you will convince me they are instamine above and beyond dark.

It's pure numbers. There's nothing to convince you really. Coins issuing rate / max supply and you can compare, say, DRK to a PoS/PoW hybrid. Hybrids are much faster instaminers - and not for just the first few coins, but all of the coins.

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When drk first hit exchanges you were buying from only a handful of people that instamined all of the easy coins.

Coin issue rate was good for the next ten-fifteen days too (beyond the first 48hrs). DRK's block reward is adjusted by hashpower, so back in late january when I started mining with my celeron @2.4, I was getting almost 25 DRK per day. And I know I sold like 50 of them at 0.0005 in early feb. And then the price went to 0.002.

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There can be no doubt that 50% ish of all current minting was taken by just a few people.

The first few miners got the coins. That's a fact. What we disagree is the implication this had for purposes of "fair distribution" - as I was there when the coin hit the exchanges at prices like 0.0000x per DRK.

Most instaminers didn't value their coins, thus allowing massive re-distribution at dirt-cheap prices. People don't generally value things they get in abundance.

The main fallacy of the "oh drk scam" etc is that it implies that the distribution of the first 48hrs remained fixed for eternity, when coins were already changing hands hours after the first miners arrived.

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The fact the dev offered to do the airdrop, and i believe he was serious about it was enough to tell me he was not out just for quick profits but wanted his coin and hard work to go on to something bigger and actually return larger profits long term. The community forced him to go back on that.

The community was asked and it replied. And, IMO, they took the fair choice as coin distribution was already a non issue. There was so much dumping in the start, plus so many waves of dumping from feb to april. By that point there was not much to "fix". The coins had circulated.

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But just accept it was a very bad start

It was.

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followed by more shady slashing of the minting and move on.

Not really shady. People were asked and the decision was made with a poll.


Instamine does not mean the same thing to you as it does to me. To me if everyone at an announced launch has fair opportunity to mine and the diff retargets every block there can be NO instamine advantage for any person. This is just an accelerated mining phase that everyone can either choose to take part in or not. I hope if these POW phases keep getting shorter and shorter people will eventually say this is just silly now although sure if everyone turns up to mine and the launch goes well then everyone at the launch got a chance but even so. Brings into question the 100% premined coins, i mean are they the very most fair type of distribution.... anyone can get some coins without having hardware? to me yes they are quite fair if done correctly. However to you they would seem unfair since they are given out sometimes in just a day or two so that would be way too fast for your liking.


Instamine to me is when the dev, or a group of people have an unfair advantage early on and get to instantly mine for themselves a huge bunch of easy coins. That is instamine to me.

Instamine can't just be a coin with accelerated POW phase, else instamine is not a scam, you choose to mine or not? everyone has the same chance everyone has a choice. In this case instamine isn't worth talking about.

The slashing of the minting again was nasty.

The decision for no airdrop was NOT made with the poll. The poll was removed within hours, the dev was ordered to remove it by drk whales and investors. If you doubt this ask him to put the poll up again and leave it there for a few days Smiley i think you'll see a poll would have a different outcome... However, perhaps it is unfair to expect investors that bough in way after the launch and after the minting was slashed to take a short term price cut. There is no fixing this issue now i guess. However the point is to make sure enough fuss is made about this that other devs don't repeat the same mistakes again.

Let's be honest if you didn't mine or hold drk right now you would not be trying to defend any of this. If i had been one of the linux instaminers of course i wouldn't be here talking about it either if i still held a ton of drk. However the facts are there for anyone to examine. If people feel the instamine is bad but it is still worth investing in drk that is their choice.


However taking personal investment away from the equation. EVERYONE on this board would agree you are arguing in favour of things that are obviously shady. I mean would this really look like a good guide for all new coin devs to follow?

create some polls and ask.

1. should all new coins be launched with no windows qt and no pools?

2. should all new coins with no windows qt and no pools also get their diff jammed down super low whilst none of you windows users can mine?

3. should we later cut the minting back 75% so you guys that have no coins find it way harder to get a decent amount of coins in the future?

4. If we do all of the above should we air drop you guys a big bunch of free coins to make up for it?


answers i predict are...

1. Is that a serious question...nfw
2. WTF
3. EviL mofos
4. That is the least you can do!!!!

answers from drk coin instaminers

1. windows is for morons - ban windows wallets at launches
2. of course we love to see our wallets filling with easy coins
3. hehe of course pump my holding % up baby
4. I suddenly hate you ED, i'm dumping all my drk if you even consider such a move remove the poll right now.

Let's not argue further. You have your views, i have the facts. They would actually be in alignment if you were not holding dark and i'm sure they are in alignment regarding new coin launches.

Same for everyone, all scams are bad except if they are of benefit to ourselves at the time.

Drk is not the worst of them all, at least the dev puts in a lot of work. I personally wouldn't mind him having premined 10% and done a fair launch. Better than letting those linux coin rapists take it all.

Perhaps though like you say, hopefully some of them dumped out for cheap and didn't just spread their loot over multiple wallets.




legendary
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We differ on the instamine...

Although i think some of the pow phases are getting way too short, there is no chance you will convince me they are instamine above and beyond dark.

It's pure numbers. There's nothing to convince you really. Coins issuing rate / max supply and you can compare, say, DRK to a PoS/PoW hybrid. Hybrids are much faster instaminers - and not for just the first few coins, but all of the coins.

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When drk first hit exchanges you were buying from only a handful of people that instamined all of the easy coins.

Coin issue rate was good for the next ten-fifteen days too (beyond the first 48hrs). DRK's block reward is adjusted by hashpower, so back in late january when I started mining with my celeron @2.4, I was getting almost 25 DRK per day. And I know I sold like 50 of them at 0.0005 in early feb. And then the price went to 0.002.

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There can be no doubt that 50% ish of all current minting was taken by just a few people.

The first few miners got the coins. That's a fact. What we disagree is the implication this had for purposes of "fair distribution" - as I was there when the coin hit the exchanges at prices like 0.0000x per DRK.

Most instaminers didn't value their coins, thus allowing massive re-distribution at dirt-cheap prices. People don't generally value things they get in abundance.

The main fallacy of the "oh drk scam" etc is that it implies that the distribution of the first 48hrs remained fixed for eternity, when coins were already changing hands hours after the first miners arrived.

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The fact the dev offered to do the airdrop, and i believe he was serious about it was enough to tell me he was not out just for quick profits but wanted his coin and hard work to go on to something bigger and actually return larger profits long term. The community forced him to go back on that.

The community was asked and it replied. And, IMO, they took the fair choice as coin distribution was already a non issue. There was so much dumping in the start, plus so many waves of dumping from feb to april. By that point there was not much to "fix". The coins had circulated.

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But just accept it was a very bad start

It was.

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followed by more shady slashing of the minting and move on.

Not really shady. People were asked and the decision was made with a poll.
legendary
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The linux instaminers that grabbed a huge bunch of the loot though got lucky here

How much of their holdings do those Linux instaminers still have left ?
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Like i said, tell everyone else on the forum they should all turn up at launches and expect no pools nor windows qt

Don't forget to remind everybody that Darkcoin was launched with no Windows wallet and no pools  Wink

I think you might not have emphasised that point enough.
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Even if i was being hypocritical or even if i was the devil it changes none of the facts in the OP.

There is no if. You were.

As for the facts of the op, they are sensationalist bullshit. OP doesn't even know what he reads, or if he does know what he reads, he intentionally misrepresents it.

I'm talking specifically about the "2 million+ coins to a specific address that I hold" red bolded part.

That was part of the airdrop plan. If the airdrop happened, it would be programmed to create new coins. These would be in a certain address that the dev would control for a period of time so that he could then distribute the coins to those who would receive them. It's logical. OP took that part and misrepresented it that the dev has 50% of the coins, apparently with malicious intent.

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1. it's okay to launch without a windows qt or pools, because some people don't mine at all or know about crypto. Best put that to vote on the main section.

No, I'm saying there is no such thing as "fair". You can define it any way you want, but there is no consensus. Most people mean fair = what's convenient for me.

A GPU coin can be "unfair" for CPU users. A coin that has no mac wallet can be "unfair" for mac users. A coin that has no windows wallet can be "unfair" for windows users. A coin that people don't know about it can be "unfair" (bitcoin) for those who lack awareness. Even electric cost per area makes coin profitable or unprofitable depending where one is mining them - and thus for some it's "fair" and for some it's "unfair" because they cannot participate in mining. It's all extremely relative.

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2. all fast pow mining coins that jump to POS after a couple of weeks are classed as instamine?

Yes they are. Because they are mined during a very narrow window of time, essentially giving the entire monetary base (not a small percentage of it) in a few days (which, compared to decades-long-lifetime of a coin, is just an instant).

Of course that has the benefit of zero inflation later on but someone who discovered the coin a week late can say "fuck this, I have to buy it from bagholders". Absolutely zero chance of mining himself. In this regard DRK is infinitely fairer than any such mining scheme. And it was far cheaper too to buy, not only after a few days, but for weeks and months.


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To me instamine is where the dev team or handful of miners get unfair advantage to mine over other miners at launch and pick up the easy coins in bulk. These new fast POW stage coins are not essentially instamine to me if they are announced and everyone has a fair chance to mine against each other. Where no person gets advantage.

Instamine is instamine, announcement or not, participation or not. It all has to do with the rate of issuance over a given time.

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Let's get serious too, even WC that shit coin version the first dev made had a diff retarget that actually worked to STOP instamining it retargeted very fast. DRK's diff stuck at super low with blocks on super high = steroid instamining powers right there + no competition from windows miners or pools.

Steroids?

DRK's instamine was SLOWER than any instamine of PoW/PoS hybrid. Do the math. 2 million coins in 48hrs. To get to 84mn coins (22mn limit was implemented in March) you'd need 84 days (assuming diff remained the same and 500-coin blocks were issued). Even if I count it with 2mn per day, you'd still need 42 days to get to the 84mn limit. And even if I adjust it to today's current max of 22mn coins, it'd take 22 and 11 days respectively (for a production of 1mn coins per day and 2mn coins per day).

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Nothing you have said changes the facts in the OP.

Read above about the blatant sensationalism bs of the OP.

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Just admit it had a instamined unfair start and that's it. I mean you guys justifying it keep bumping this thread more those do that refute your claims that the instamine was fair or had justification.

This has been covered extensively. The dev himself has said I screwed up with the launch: https://darkcointalk.org/threads/the-birth-of-darkcoin.162/

...If he didn't believe there was a problem why would he ever propose to fix it through the airdrop (which was voted down)? What's more to admit?
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Cryptohunter is busy with whitecoin... a coin which the entirety of the monetary base is instamined in a few days and then no-one can mine it, like, forever. You'll just have to buy it from existing owners while mining ...something else.

Obviously he cares about the wellbeing and fairness towards future miners Grin


LOL hello another attempt at distraction from drks shady start..... even WC was launched with a windows qt and pools so everyone had a fair chance to mine? don't you get that? if everyone has the same chance it is fair? is this a hard concept to understand?  In this respect it was no different from mint, bc, any other of the fast minting pos coins? what exactly is your point?

My point is that your "concern" is hypocritical.

Regarding the part "if everyone has the chance is fair", let' me tell you a secret:

1. Not all people have the technical know-how to mine. Is it fair for them?
2. Not all people have GPUs to mine GPU-coins. Is it fair for them? (note: DRK was cpu only in the beginning, thus allowing everyone with a PC to mine).

In general, there is no such thing as fairness in this business. Those who are technically minded have a larger advantage. Whether it is in compiling a source, setting up mining rigs etc. Yet they are rarely the most benefited, as they sell their coins for pennies - as it happened with the first miners of DRK who sold batches of 10.000 for 0.25 BTC.

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So you say all short POW cycle coins are bad? even if everyone has a fair chance to mine at launch? really explain yourself?

There is no good or bad. It's just a matter of perspective. If you have a problem with instamining 5-10% of the monetary base, but not with 100% of the monetary base, then you are acting like a hypocrite.

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Take into account WC had 70GH and many multipools on this for days. If you are buying from the WC market place you will be buying from a huge amount of people. If you are buying dark you are buying from a handfull of big whales that have spread their loot.

DRK is expanding its monetary base by 100-200k coins per month and will produce at least 4x the current coins in circulation. WC will not. It's in WC where you will have to buy from the bagholders.

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Yeah the dev made a shit coin that couldn't generate POS. The community were shafted. Do i support WC original dev OF COURSE NOT. The original dev is a scum bag and this is why i say all premines and instamines are bad and need regulation.

I saw you on the WC thread trying to cheer up the situation until it became painfully obvious to everyone of what had happened. I mean, seriously?

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I'm bored of the entire subject like i said on the last thread.

Yeah so bored that you c/p the same stuff all over.

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If you drk holders can NOT prove the things in the OP didn't happen  (which you can't because they did happen) then stfu and get back to you own drk dirty thread and stop spamming the main section with your drk coins spam

...said the man opening topics that DRK is a scam.

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..... i see more drk coin spam on the main board than all other coins put together.

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Face your coin was and is a scam and get on with profiting from noobs that think that drk will make them rich until they realise........that it will not. If you didn't buy in a long time ago or were one of the instaminers then get ready for a rough ride.

You were attacking DRK even a month ago when the price was 0.0015 - and the price has gone like 10-12x upwards during the peak. So, really, what the heck are you talking about about "buying long ago". Even if you bought a week ago you are up big. But coin price is irrelevant in the end of the day for what we are discussing.

It isn't though in the context of fair distribution because early coins were sold for nothing through PMs and exchanges - something that you omit and cry "unfaaaaiiiiiir". Of course you don't even care about fairness. Go back to WC...
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Cryptohunter is busy with whitecoin... a coin which the entirety of the monetary base is instamined in a few days and then no-one can mine it, like, forever. You'll just have to buy it from existing owners while mining ...something else.

Obviously he cares about the wellbeing and fairness towards future miners Grin


LOL hello another attempt at distraction from drks shady start..... even WC was launched with a windows qt and pools so everyone had a fair chance to mine? don't you get that? if everyone has the same chance it is fair? is this a hard concept to understand?  In this respect it was no different from mint, bc, any other of the fast minting pos coins? what exactly is your point?

So you say all short POW cycle coins are bad? even if everyone has a fair chance to mine at launch? really explain yourself?

Take into account WC had 70GH and many multipools on this for days. If you are buying from the WC market place you will be buying from a huge amount of people. If you are buying dark you are buying from a handfull of big whales that have spread their loot.

Yeah the dev made a shit coin that couldn't generate POS. The community were shafted. Do i support WC original dev OF COURSE NOT. The original dev is a scum bag and this is why i say all premines and instamines are bad and need regulation. DRK has one of the worst instamine of them all and sets a very bad example.

Yeah i'm really busy with WC, i am on many threads WC is not a major concern to me i can assure you. I have many many coins that i take interest in.


I'm bored of the entire subject like i said on the last thread. If you drk holders can NOT prove the things in the OP didn't happen  (which you can't because they did happen) then stfu and get back to you own drk dirty thread and stop spamming the main section with your drk coins spam ..... i see more drk coin spam on the main board than all other coins put together.

Face your coin was and is a scam and get on with profiting from noobs that think that drk will make them rich until they realise........that it will not. If you didn't buy in a long time ago or were one of the instaminers then get ready for a rough ride.
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3./ Ok here you go the windows wallet ...also we fixed the diff and block rewards so you get hardly any coins now.

cryptohunter

Be advised that it was only *you* that didn't get any coins.

I got some and about half a million others did as well.

No worries. If you're still as desperate as you were back then to get hold of some DRK then I'll sell you a couple.



How will a couple help me buy my 1000drk masternode which probably will never get used anyway and generate nothing?

Yeah, all the other windows users mined away at launch with no windows qt and no pools....hehe

Like i said, tell everyone else on the forum they should all turn up at launches and expect no pools nor windows qt. Let me know how that goes for you.

Half a million others hey.... wow 499999 others all mined away fine at launch? reality not your concern i guess?

Please remain quiet unless you have something sensible to say.  

I'll ignore you advice of course since it's based upon lies and deceit.
legendary
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Cryptohunter is busy with whitecoin... a coin which the entirety of the monetary base is instamined in a few days and then no-one can mine it, like, forever. You'll just have to buy it from existing owners while mining ...something else.

Obviously he cares about the wellbeing and fairness towards future miners Grin
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3./ Ok here you go the windows wallet ...also we fixed the diff and block rewards so you get hardly any coins now.

cryptohunter

Be advised that it was only *you* that didn't get any coins.

I got some and about half a million others did as well.

No worries. If you're still as desperate as you were back then to get hold of some DRK then I'll sell you a couple.

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It seems like all the linux instaminers are getting scared on there.
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see a copy of the conversation and make your own conclusions

Yes, I made my own conclusions:

[x] Missed the lunch
[x] Missed the 0.00002500 weeks
[x] Missed the 0.00050000 weeks
[x] Missed the 0.00100000 months
[x] Clueless
[x] Angry



I think you mean delusions right?

1./ Yep launch the coin with no windows wallet and no pools.... sorry 80% + of the board. Sorry you missed the launch now.

2./ Yep sorry you missed it while we mine 2 million coins Smiley

3./ Ok here you go the windows wallet ...also we fixed the diff and block rewards so you get hardly any coins now.

4./ whoops we are cutting the minting by 75% now so our 2 million is actually 50% of all coins .... 12.5% wasn't enough.



Your conclusions are funny. Perhaps you do mean lunch? i mean you can't mean launch that would be a ludicrous conclusion/delusion.
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see a copy of the conversation and make your own conclusions

Yes, I made my own conclusions:

[x] Missed the lunch
[x] Missed the 0.00002500 weeks
[x] Missed the 0.00050000 weeks
[x] Missed the 0.00100000 months
[x] Clueless
[x] Angry
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