Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 123. (Read 845650 times)

After 400 pages it has been concluded that anomalous information is the KEY means by which to show evidence of GOD.
Even though the existence of a separate source (non-human or discarnate) is hard to test, Cunningham reports some exciting progress in this field, the process he applies to Jane Roberts and Seth can also be applied to Doris and Hatonn who together produced Phoenix Journals not by mediumship but by "translation":

OK, here is a chill pill for this thread:
"that person's angels talk to my angels and the communication goes back and forth"
https://youtu.be/iXWQSKcKP_Q?t=1459

What annoys me most is, when the people really get salty and aggressive. There is absolutely no need for that. Like I said, I don't care when ppl believe in god, when it helps them. 

You will never convince przemax that the bible is evil, he will defend even slavery and condemn homosexuality as being a sin and mocking god. That's how deluded these people are, they go to such extreme lengths just to defend their belief because otherwise they would have to accept that there is no god, no heaven and death is the end.

Ohh right. It seems you figured me out, because of this one sentence .. and because I am an atheist ...

I know the Noah's ark story and I don't need anyone to tell me, that it is bad, when the whole world is flooded and all people (and animals) on earth die because of it.

Investigating what? Investing based on what? You act like flat earth cult. They say investigate - they mean watch their nonsensical movies. Ok I will read your PJ to laugh a bit and comment it here if you like.

For you investigate means to read your Pheonix Journals. You do not know how to even quote properly in your "Journals". You just use quote but you do not end qoute. People reading your Journal can have no idea when you qoute and when you do not quote. How can I believe you, that know about anything, if you do not know hot to even write properly?

But then again you propose Luciferian doctrine of creation being more powerful than God.

Yeah I heard what masons believe in. Sorry I do not have stomach for such a things. Yes, masons call Adonai the evil God, that is in heaven but Lucifer (the good guy for them) is going to take the Adonai place. That is something that you would symphatise with.


That sums you up perfectly. I do not know the bible but my PJ's told me it's bad so I believe it.

Yeah, well the was my mistake for not clarifying it. You are right, you don't need to actually "see" something, to be able to proof its existence. What I meant was, that god would need to show himself "in some form". An when he does, I will start believing in him ... until then I am not :-)

I don't really know the bible that well, but doesn't contain it the Noah's ark story? The story makes god basically a mass murderer.

"YOU CREATE YOUR OWN REALITY", having knowledge is the key to using your abilities.
The existence of discarnate entities implies that atheists are wrong about the survival of the personality. There is a lot of evidence for survival, and it is a key teaching of authentic spirituality, but humanists reject the idea, in spite of the evidence.

Physical appearance is not required in science, for example neutrinos are studied by their effects on other matter, and that is the only way to do so. The effect of a discarnate being is the communication that takes place through the medium, the content is used to validate the source because the statements can be analyzed for their plausibility.

Did you read Cunningham's paper?
'Kelly (2010) has observed that mediumship "is the only phenomenon directly relevnt to the survival problem that can be reproduced under conditions of experimental control"'.
And
'Theoretically, the content of a channeled text can and should stand on its merits, regardless of its source.'
Therefore, the content can be tested against existing knowledge and alternative hypotheses. For example, the content of the Bible story called "Binding of Isaac" indicates that YHWH ordered the ritual sacrifice of a child, since this act is contrary to moral law, anyone can see that the being YHWH behaves contrary to human ethics, therefore we cannot call YHWH "good" and therefore he is not GOD.

Well, that is not how science works :-)

There is no scientific way to proof the existence of god ... there is no possibility to proof it by doing an experiment. You can't just magically summon god. And as long he doesn't appear in any way, there can't be a scientific proof.
And no ... I don't take the bible as proof. We are talking about a book that was written a long time ago, where people also believed in witches and other crazy stuff.

In the end, to be honest I don't care what a person believes in. If a person believes in god and it helps him to master his life ... great! I was raised catholic and at some point I started to think about religion and realized that it doesn't make sense for me. But if it works for you ... awesome!

How would it be a copy of an existing sect if the volume of material is many times greater, covers many more subjects, and openly acknowledges/unifies a variety of wisdom from many traditions? Perhaps you should search the site for 'Mormon' and see what you find, I bet that it will surprise you.

Perhaps you could investigate, instead of merely dismissing the assertion like a pseudo-skeptic. Just a thought.

It said right there that GOD is the spiritual ruler of man and the greatest of beings. It also says that GOD is just, that means that he has some limits in terms of just behavior. One GOD who acts justly, and obeys the laws of His Kingdom. This makes more sense than the evil Bible stories by far!

Many words written about the ONE GOD in PJs, just search for 'Mormon' and you will find some details. The text is not about many GODs but about the behavior required of the ONE who rules.

You think that the Bible was written by a "secret society" free from human corruption. Why not consider that the PJs are authentic? I demolished your objections and you already proved to this thread that you know little of Bible history. I claim that the content of PJs is better evidence of GOD than the Bible because it clarifies many more questions of great importance.
I do not assume that the Bible authors are honest. I already showed that books were added which were opposed to the teachings of Jesus, and the evilbible site speaks volumes about the problems. You did not find a single sentence in PJs that opposes the authentic teachings of Jesus.

So it is only scientific if everyone can see it for themselves? What if only a few are willing to recognize the mark of the Divine in an inspired text? That would mean that this evidence is only available to those with enough critical thinking skills and research abilities to see the experiments all the way through.

Did you read Cunningham's paper?
'Kelly (2010) has observed that mediumship "is the only phenomenon directly relevnt to the survival problem that can be reproduced under conditions of experimental control"'.
And
'Theoretically, the content of a channeled text can and should stand on its merits, regardless of its source.'

Read more carefully next time.

No, there is no scientific proof for god and I doubt that there will be one. Only possibility is when god (if he exists) just show himself. Other then that, there is no way to proof the existence of god.

Special rules like allowing you to beat your slaves? I don't know what special rules you are talking about, he himself killed everyone. By the way, how longer should we wait for him to comeback? 

I think that God can not be scientific proven, because he/she is in something that may exist in a different plain of reality that doesn't even follows rules of our reality, which is why he/she can not be proven by our modern science, it like looking in a two sided mirror in our side we cannot see him/her there for we cannot prove they are there but we can assume that there must be something out there or someone, on the other side of the mirror God can see us.

Yes you can not test God. but... You can find the actual science that says the same things as Bible does. I had gave you a definition of proof that says if something says the same thing it's considered a proof.

Puritans that created the scientific method had a purpose in mind to find God in the mechanism of the world. They did. It was a full success. They once and for all proven materialistic atheism is deadly wrong. Now people are saying some unfound, uproven with experiments things to disclaim what puritans had found out.

Scientists that are materialistic are not even aware they prove with their lack of success a non-materialistic model of the universe.

They try and try and try and try to prove materialistic concept of begining, nothingness, conciousness - they have no success in this what so ever.

Thats all the work of a counter reformation. And that is the role of public education to convince ignorant young minds that materialism is good. They do not know any better and they trust authority.

P.S I know its offtopic but I had to give it:

If that chant psalm 50 does not move you, I don't know what to say. It starts in 1:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB3B3flMjsM

Here are the words of God the judge psalm 50:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+50&version=KJV


Speaking about corrupution. Mix mormonism, catholic supperstitions, and voodoo stick new age and you have got Pheonix Journals.

Mt 7:3 "3Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? "

If I would like to know about Mormonism I would read the mormon Bible. I suggest you should read it. Im fairly sure your pheonix journies are copy paste Mormonism.

Quotting from your sources:


I Have never ever ever read the more fallable, corrupted self contradicting piece of bs in my life. 3 human races? Which one are Hindu? Which one are native indians... Oh come on....

patriarchs of creation? God as one of them? Jesus not preaching the doctrine of one God? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Do you believe in polytheism? No wonder you find bible corrupt. Hahahaha... you are funny.

Bible being distorted by charlatans? Wow.... are you speaking about charlatans from Pheonix Journal?

You are not claiming to portrait Jesus differently - you speak about someone completly else. How can you say the bible is corrupt when you do not even speak about the bible anymore.

It is not even suggested those messages came from an imaginary god.  How could they?

"if an idea is not testable, repeatable, observable, and falsifiable, it is not considered scientific"

There is no scientific proof that fairy tales are real.

This thread is not about your unfounded and unscientific opinions. The OT is corrupted with evil and you must come to terms with that or else your posts will continue to lack substance!

Even flawed humans can reason with their hearts and understand moral law, the difficulty is in the application. Do you accept the evil stories on the evilbible site as both good and godly? I have a different opinion, and even atheists have the moral law and they used that inner guidance to make that website (evilbible.com); GOD's gift of discernment at work! If only you could be convinced that moral law applies to the Bible, then you would see how unconvincing that book is!
Why not choose to read the Phoenix Journals for spiritual knowledge? Although it is not entirely proven that the messages came from GOD or even from a divine messenger, it seem very likely to me, I do a lot of research before convincing myself so I suggest you try doing the same.

Important background information:

the content-source problem in modern mediumship research - Rivier University
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.rivier.edu/faculty/pcunningham/Publications/CunninghamJP_Fall-2012-Vol-76-(2)-295-319.pdf&ved=&usg=
About the 'author' of the Phoenix Journals:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/gch.html

Your fairy tale has no effect on reality.  Blissful ignorance.

I'm sorry your parents were an asshole, but don't repeat history by being an asshole yourself.

If you have proof your fairy tale exists, why don't you post it?  Why post cult propaganda for 400 pages?