Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 152. (Read 845650 times)

I was asking you why God would show himself 2000 years ago when we were ignorant and willing to believe such b******* and if it was the truth why all the sudden he now needs Blind Faith when we could know the difference why does the peasant 2,000 years ago deserve guaranteed salvation I mean pretty hard to miss it touch the feet of the physical manifestation of God on Earth but I'm supposed to take it directly on faith I don't deserve the same chance at Salvation as I don't know people as ignorant as they were 2000 years ago or you

I'm starting to wonder if you actually read this book or are you taking that on faith as well I definitely not above admitting when I was wrong there when I said that it was a zero-sum game for you if I'm right then just nothing if you were right I have to suffer in hell and eternal damnation forever absent the glory of God it's not a zero-sum game for you if I'm right the nothing if you're right we can keep each other company in Hell together because it's been promised to you by your God now I know that you won't listen to me say that so I brought someone with me I've known him for quite a while you probably have never met

Pay special attention to verse 18 through 20 where it says you're going to hell mr. It's not relevant to me

And he said to me, These words be most faithful and true. And the Lord God of spirits of prophets sent his angel [And the Lord God of spirits prophets sent his angel], to show to his servants, what things it behooveth to be done soon. 7 And lo! I come swiftly. Blessed is he, that keepeth the words of prophecy of this book. 8 And I am John, that heard and saw these things. And after that I had heard and seen, I felled down [I fell down], to worship before the feet of the angel, that showed to me these things. 9 And he said to me, See thou, that thou do not; for I am a servant with thee [And he said to me, See that thou do not; for I am thine even-servant], and of thy brethren, prophets, and of them that keep the words of prophecy of this book; worship thou God. 10 And he said to me, Sign, or seal, thou not the words of prophecy of this book; for the time is nigh. 11 He that harmeth, harm he yet; and he that is in filths, wax he foul yet; and a just man, be justified yet [and he that is just, be he yet justified]; and the holy, be [he] hallowed yet. 12 Lo! I come soon, and my meed with me, to yield to each man after his works. 13 I am alpha and omega, the first and the last, beginning and end. 14 Blessed be they, that wash their stoles, that the power of them be in the tree of life, and enter by the gates into the city. 15 For withoutforth [shall be shut] hounds, and witches, and unchaste men, and man-quellers, and serving to idols, and each that loveth and maketh lying. 16 I Jesus sent mine angel, to witness to you these things in churches. I am the root and kin of David [I am the root and kind of David], and the shining morrow star. 17 And the Spirit and the spousess say [and the spouse, or wife, say], Come thou. And he that heareth, say, Come thou; and he that thirsteth, come; and he that will, take he freely the water of life [and he that will, take freely the water of life]. 18 And I witness to each man hearing the words of prophecy of this book, if any man shall put to these things, God shall put on him the vengeances written in this book [God shall put upon him the plagues written in this book]. 19 And if any man do away of the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away the part of him from the book of life, and from the holy city, and from these things that be written in this book. 20 He saith, that beareth witnessing of these things, Yea, Amen. [Lo!] I come soon. Amen. Come thou, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Im not religious. What rules? Jesus had adviced not to promise anything. I try not. So what rules are those?


I would say that every word is relevant until proven not. I cannot get past your accusations with no proofs.

I'm sorry I don't think you can have a religious conversation with somebody who doesn't follow the rules they place for themselves I cannot get past you telling me that it is not relevant that any single word in that book is not relevant

God had said he is uncappable to lie. So... why should I assume he lied?

12But Jesus declared, “It also says, ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”


I have no reason to believe a God is a liar. Thats not a cowardice or self-serving. It would be cowardice if I would rely on what the flock does. Flock does not read the bible and are catholics the apostates. Self-serving would be if I would be an atheist I once was.


Prove it. Not everyone is great, not everyone is smart. If someone is wise to choose the good shephard in his wiseness it should be rewarded.

Jesus had said - we are unable to grasp the ways of the heaven. Why do you say we should know the ways of the heaven first to be saved.

Fallen angels know the ways of the heaven, and they do not agree with it. So knowing is not everything.


What is dicky about humility. He wanted to show us the role model like a father. Jesus is a role model. He tells us not to have preconcieved notions. Humility is the first step to be wise.

Humans need to be wiser to know the Gods ways... like Hiob, like Daniel etc etc. Even the wise Hiob had said - I never knew you this way. I do not understand you. Even of the wisest.

God is not only the God of the greatest, but the God of everything.

With all due respect to your loss I believe that before your mother started to lose her mental faculties she could have and would have explained to you the scientific explanation for her hallucinations do not wish to be rude or offensive but if she spent her whole life secure in her beliefs you might want to consider which hers she wants you to remember and I could be totally off base and she could have been totally fine and listened until the day that something horrible happened but I got from you that it was a decline in health over a period of time

Okay I have to stop p to discuss the first four words of your post above your last point did you just say it's not relevant to you in regards to the gospel the book that should literally be taken as gospel have you actually managed to dilute  yourself that the book that is your entire faith is not supposed to represent the unchanging word of God do you yourself get to pick and choose what you pull out are you allowed to add things in I think I'll just wait for you to respond to this I mean I don't have faith in Jesus Christ but I am particular fended that you would say that you do and then we can pull the parts that suit you

Let's take your last Point first Without a doubt I want to test God and if you do not you are doing your God a great disservice she really said it all right there you want to test God this close to judgement day it's a risk and reward thing right if you're wrong no loss you are just wrong we painted nothing the unknown on the other hand if I am wrong I will spend eternal Agony in damnation experiencing no torture greater than the absence of my one true God do you really think if God exists is you know him he would not be insulted message a self-serving and cowardice reason to accept what you know is truth unlike you I have an open mind to new ideas and I have an open heart to God as you know him and the day that I can reconciled the Bible with reality without having to fill all the holes with faith I will gladly and readily give my heart back to Jesus faith is destructive because it does not need truth or fact it is destructive because you wish to have a conversation but you cannot bear to entertain the other side if you really believe then you should be secure enough in your faith to ask questions the problem for me came when all I had left for my answers was faith I would have to say it's either convenient or a bit of a dick move on God's happy  freely show himself  to walk amongst us to wash our feet for crying out loud we didn't have to go on any of that face stuff back then but because he's built up some sort of inadequacy problem we now have to find him in Blind Faith In the words of a book that has been in the fallible hands of man for 2000 years I'll tell you what I'll have no problem taking faith on everything else even absolute unbelievable stuff if God sends his son down here again to die before my eyes quit anthropomorphizing in your God you really think he is up there sweating what we think

You would need to define what is a proof. There are scientific evidences, that the word of the Bible is true. There would be a lot more evidences if not a group of people believing in scientism, doing all they can to prove some weird unprovable concepts, like evolution and such.

Science will never prove the existence of God, because it is not profitable for it. There will simply be a certain category of people who believe in him because he helps them.

My mother was a stone cold scientific atheist her whole life.
10 days before her death she began seeing the other side.
That convinced me.

What is not a proof? There are several evidences from different fields of science. True, those are not a proof of the existance of God. Those are evidences of the truth of his Word. The philosophical debate is not any proof, neither I do not claim that it is.


Prove it.


Where was I ignorant and hipocrite? Point it out.


Im not a christian theologian, and the talk about shadow games was to prove its absurd to say that only two's counts. Its easily refutable.


Hey.... If you think my interluctor is perfectly rational and I have only blind faith, you should seriously need to learn how to make right conclusions.

Other than that. Could you please make some interpunctions? Its a nightmare to read that... I don't know what it is - unrightful accusations at best.


Yes I have no problem in grasping that. Btw Christmas is a pagan holiday of Babilon. Christians should not believe in it.


You seems to legitimise the word of the Bible by saying that you don't like to be controlled. Yeah rebels are the self proclaimed enemies of the God. Keep up the good work - you legitimise the word of God with every of your lie.


Yes. Religions are ungodly and are belonging to Satan. Im not religious.


And now the government and socialism is kind of a religion as well. I totally agree with you. Jesus was antireligious.


Its not relevant to me if she was a virgin or not. What is relevant to me, is the accusations that she were not.

Satan was so sure that if he would torment the Hiob he would be against God. He was not. It was a total victory of God.

Would you think that it isn't an obviously "almost fraud" for people like you to tell - she was a fraud. God is the law. And law is to protect people. Its like a symbolism is that you cannot prove anyone guilty unless you will prove it infornt of the law. Fine - stand with the Satan the accuser and accuse God infront of the law. Too bad for you the Satan already lost that trial and had fell down from heaven.

Don't assume you know everything - you might be wrong.

You want to believe in preconcieved notions - I want to believe what is right is right.


Noone knows it but some secret organisation. Fine by me. You only know, noone else does. Seems plausible - not. Any proofs?


You really want to test God by accusing him in the judgment day? Better think again. You might regret it.

Not from the bible but just to end with enigmatic poetic aporia of wisdom  


And it is necessary for you to learn all things,

Both the still heart of persuasive reality

And the opinions of mortals, in which there is no genuine reliability.




to it all things have been given as names                                          

all that mortals have established in their conviction that they are genuine,

both coming to be and perishing, both being and not

and altering place and exchanging brilliant colour.    

This is not scientific proof that God exists what you are witnessing in these almost 400 post is evidence of the decay of modern civilization JK what you're really seeing is the destructive Tendencies of faith when combined with ignorance and hypocrisy how can you talk about Shadow games win the backbone of the judeo-christian theology is blind unquestioned and unyielding faith it's all but said flat out blind faith is your ticket to heaven and your get out of hell free card and on that basis perfectly rational function people the in the boogeyman and have no problem grasping that Santa in no way resembles the historical figures he was modeled on belligerently and violently holding on to the idea of the god that we created in our image as some Creator when in fact what God is what religion is is a controller that is why you see it behind most great events religion doesn't breed War people breed War religion provides control it was the answer to the few controlling the mini before we had organized government it's all there you have the social programs all the way up to the taxes the war in general good ideas like don't commit adultery don't hate your neighbor don't be lazy don't kill don't steal stay clean kind of stuff I might have thought I needed to happen if I was wandering around in the desert with the same group of people for what must have seemed like 40 years take a bath stop banging my wife quit killing each other I do believe that there is some truth some route to the story but answer me this do you think it's more likely the all-powerful all-knowing god came down from the heavens to knock up Mary because most omnipotent beings have a very human idea of sacrifice or perhaps Mary was an unwed pregnant woman who was scared to death of being stoned to death and would have said anything in the hopes anyone would believe her and when the child was born it just might have saved that unwed mothers life to give birth to a miracle child or more likely two Miracle children the concept of twins probably not wide known could easily Mary's would be Executioner's into awestruck worshipers I could easily entertain me idea that Jesus and his twin had no problem realizing that there particular Oddity and the general ignorance of its existence let itself to the art of Illusion so I will concede that maybe Jesus did exist and if he was the David Blaine of his day and when the show's over what are you do what do you do with Jesus number 2 I would suggest keeping him hidden for a few days hiding the body and perhaps faking a resurrection cuz you're just not going to put the old act back together no I don't really have anything to back this up but before I take all-powerful all-knowing only way to Salvation God as faith I will take on faith that people are scared manipulative dishonest controlling and if you take 2000 years telling a story it's going to say what you wanted to say

You like to play with shadows don't you? Non existence does not exist....

I don't like this silly shadow game. It's an illusion. I'll pass here.

Existence & non existence is root of dualism.

You can say that being wrong is only a shadow of rightousness. Just like a darkness is a lack of light. You can say it does not exist.

Just like a death is the lack of life. It only a mere shadow. It does not exist. Its a negation. You can easily negate the negation with no effort.

Clearly it's not equal to eachother.

Maybe you are just negative thats why you seek negativity everywhere.

Right and wrong is dualism 

Not necessarly. One can not be aware of any other paths. There are various of different paths. But there is only one gate that is correct.

There are million ways to be wrong but only one to be right. Thats not dualism. Thats millionism. There are infinite ways to be wrong and sinful.

Could you stop implying two's exist in the bible? Yeah as well as three's fours's five's one's. I have already prove there is more divisions than two's, or even no division. You like to generalise - ok. Thats as much as you can get with preconcieved notion and as close to the gate of destruction of this world.

Recognition of the one path imply recognition of what is outside of this path too.


And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

Are you born again in one Spirit? Or two spirits? One right?

You are mistaking a substance with a process. How many ways there are to the kingdom of God. one - right? On what thrones does Jesus says he sits in the heaven - his father - right? How many thrones that is. One.

The word "except" denies dualism at best.