Is this one still a mystery to you ?
Even the one you quote imply dualism as in going through the father or not.
The word "except" imply dualism.
Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 153. (Read 845650 times)
Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. ...
Is this one still a mystery to you ?
Even the one you quote imply dualism as in going through the father or not.
The word "except" imply dualism.
Is this one still a mystery to you ?
Even the one you quote imply dualism as in going through the father or not.
The word "except" imply dualism.
You need open heart, open soul and open mind. Or maybe something else as well. But as you can see its not only two's.
Or in other words - fuck the world and its ideas. Open your heart to Jesus.
Thats the only intermediary to the God. No binary other. You said you had read the bible.
"6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6
Or in other words - fuck the world and its ideas. Open your heart to Jesus.
Thats the only intermediary to the God. No binary other. You said you had read the bible.
"6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6
Non dualism already imply the notion of dualism 
Non Ism is also an ism
Non dualism can only make sense as integration of all forms of dualism and opposites
There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
But above all, my brothers, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or by any other oath, but let your “yes” be yes and your “no” be no, so that you may not fall under condemnation
Non Ism is also an ism
Non dualism can only make sense as integration of all forms of dualism and opposites
There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
But above all, my brothers, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or by any other oath, but let your “yes” be yes and your “no” be no, so that you may not fall under condemnation
In a way even the Christian cross is a sign of dualism, with vertical vs horizontal, etc
Belief as thought are ok, as long as they are recognized as such, and not clung unto eternally.
All wisdom will be un done etc
It's the principle of impermanence in budhism.
The problem is more attachement to a belief or vision of reality than the belief itself.
As long as there is doubt in one hearth about a belief, there is way to improve
Non dualism can be preconcieved notion too Or might require some mental effort to be held.
Belief as thought are ok, as long as they are recognized as such, and not clung unto eternally.
All wisdom will be un done etc
It's the principle of impermanence in budhism.
The problem is more attachement to a belief or vision of reality than the belief itself.
As long as there is doubt in one hearth about a belief, there is way to improve
Non dualism can be preconcieved notion too
Or might require some mental effort to be held.You cannot meet the kingdom of the God if you go the path of preconcieved notions. Non dualism is not a notion it does not exist.
"For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Matthew 7:13-14
In a way even the Christian cross is a sign of dualism, with vertical vs horizontal, etc
Belief as thought are ok, as long as they are recognized as such, and not clung unto eternally.
All wisdom will be un done etc
It's the principle of impermanence in budhism.
The problem is more attachement to a belief or vision of reality than the belief itself.
As long as there is doubt in one hearth about a belief, there is way to improve
Non dualism can be preconcieved notion too Or might require some mental effort to be held.
Belief as thought are ok, as long as they are recognized as such, and not clung unto eternally.
All wisdom will be un done etc
It's the principle of impermanence in budhism.
The problem is more attachement to a belief or vision of reality than the belief itself.
As long as there is doubt in one hearth about a belief, there is way to improve
Non dualism can be preconcieved notion too
Or might require some mental effort to be held. Quote
For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.
Yes. He is not speaking about his own message. He is speaking that there are secrets. Yes they are. Ofcourse.
Christians are to be given the gift of holy spirit. The gift to discern. I think I have one.
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Many of the wises says key to wisdom is able to hold paradoxes or contradictory belief in one's mind.
Recognizing dualism doesnt necessarily mean only holding to one side.
Recognizing dualism doesnt necessarily mean only holding to one side.
Thats not what I was saying. Preconcived notions are in my opinion always bad. The notions of binarity is one such a preconcieved notion.
He says more that nothing will be hidden, as everything will be revealed one day for those who seek. As in all can be known for seekers.
For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.
It's always using future tense if im not mistaken, implying things are hidden or concealed at some point.
Many of the wises says key to wisdom is able to hold paradoxes or contradictory belief in one's mind.
Recognizing dualism doesnt necessarily mean only holding to one side.
For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.
It's always using future tense if im not mistaken, implying things are hidden or concealed at some point.
Many of the wises says key to wisdom is able to hold paradoxes or contradictory belief in one's mind.
Recognizing dualism doesnt necessarily mean only holding to one side.
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It's even said there can be alchemical reading of the bible, with crucifixion and resurection and this whole she Bang as process of transformation .
Maybe there are. But the message of the Bible is easy for everybody. Why should I search between the lines? Jesus had said that he is not hiding anything. There is no hidden message - no secret society with secret knowledge needed.
And the holy ghost is helping people to understand even that easy straightforward message. It can be as deep as you want. Message of the gospel is wonderful, it is as easy and as hard as you want it. I'ts like the best designed computer game. Rules are simple, but it's as complex and sophisticated like you are. It's very lovely.
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Ultimately the true genius are always able to concile the two.
It's all the things with light vs matter, earth vs heaven, mind vs body etc
It's said the goal of the highest form of alchemy is also union of opposites.
All chemistry deal with electron ( - charges) proton ( + charges) etc.
Mathematics as in Pythagoras is the most elaborated system to deal with opposites in a single coherent system. It's why it's so efficient in all areas of sciences.
It's all the things with light vs matter, earth vs heaven, mind vs body etc
It's said the goal of the highest form of alchemy is also union of opposites.
All chemistry deal with electron ( - charges) proton ( + charges) etc.
Mathematics as in Pythagoras is the most elaborated system to deal with opposites in a single coherent system. It's why it's so efficient in all areas of sciences.
I like to keep my mind open to any possibility. Dualism would mean, that I close the door to knowledge, because I would always seek two's. I would ignore the one's third's seventh's lol - I hope you get the point.
Ultimately the true genius are always able to concile the two.
It's all the things with light vs matter, earth vs heaven, mind vs body etc
It's said the goal of the highest form of alchemy is also union of opposites.
All chemistry deal with electron ( - charges) proton ( + charges) etc.
Mathematics as in Pythagoras is the most elaborated system to deal with opposites in a single coherent system. It's why it's so efficient in all areas of sciences.
It's all the things with light vs matter, earth vs heaven, mind vs body etc
It's said the goal of the highest form of alchemy is also union of opposites.
All chemistry deal with electron ( - charges) proton ( + charges) etc.
Mathematics as in Pythagoras is the most elaborated system to deal with opposites in a single coherent system. It's why it's so efficient in all areas of sciences.
It's hard to miss this when really studying the origin of things.
To me the only two real schools are really metaphysics and rationalism.
To me the only two real schools are really metaphysics and rationalism.
That all depends on definitions. Im not aware how you define those two. In my honest opinion if you believe there are only two you should stick to dualism. Because if you like pairs dualism is the way to go. Why only two?
I believe in anti-ism personaly.
It's hard to miss this when really studying the origin of things.
To me the only two real schools are really metaphysics and rationalism.
The greatest genius like jabir or liebniz were able to concile the two path.
It's even said there can be alchemical reading of the bible, with crucifixion and resurection and this whole she Bang as process of transformation .
Crucifix can be an alchemical symbol.
But yeah it all comes down to human mind processing of things.
I dont think it make much sense to separate religion and science, outside of the context of pure industry and profit making, the two are always very intricate with each others.
It's even almost funny how most "scientist" ignore this side of things while it's all over the place when looking into it out of the context of engineering school formating.
To me the only two real schools are really metaphysics and rationalism.
The greatest genius like jabir or liebniz were able to concile the two path.
It's even said there can be alchemical reading of the bible, with crucifixion and resurection and this whole she Bang as process of transformation .
Crucifix can be an alchemical symbol.
But yeah it all comes down to human mind processing of things.
I dont think it make much sense to separate religion and science, outside of the context of pure industry and profit making, the two are always very intricate with each others.
It's even almost funny how most "scientist" ignore this side of things while it's all over the place when looking into it out of the context of engineering school formating.
Like I wrote before.
I admitt you almost won the debate just like alchemists are almost chemists.
Maybe its more than coincidence. Its more like people are doing the same silly stuff as others. If one is doing others are doing it too. Its called being a human - I think its prerequisite to being protoscientist. Yeah I think being human is not a coincidence.
I admitt you almost won the debate just like alchemists are almost chemists.
Maybe its more than coincidence. Its more like people are doing the same silly stuff as others. If one is doing others are doing it too. Its called being a human - I think its prerequisite to being protoscientist. Yeah I think being human is not a coincidence.
When coincidence are systematic and all natural science come from alchemy it start to make it reasonable to think it's more than coincidence lol
All the al - starting thing are Arabic, al-gebra , al- chemy , al- gorithm , etc
Al = the
Gebra = gebber = jabir (book of balance first mention of algebra ever)
Chemy = you guessed ( hint on the cover of boyle book )
Etc
Again it's just objective study of the thing ..
It's more the contrary that is quite the exception ...
All the al - starting thing are Arabic, al-gebra , al- chemy , al- gorithm , etc
Al = the
Gebra = gebber = jabir (book of balance first mention of algebra ever)
Chemy = you guessed ( hint on the cover of boyle book )
Etc
Again it's just objective study of the thing ..
It's more the contrary that is quite the exception ...
Because there is no or very little science that actually exist today that is not derived from this lol
Alchemy is very old art, practiced since ancient egypt, and many were not fancied at all, many had to hide, and actually most published under fake name, or using metaphor to avoid issues ..
So it's more the opposite of this
Alchemy is very old art, practiced since ancient egypt, and many were not fancied at all, many had to hide, and actually most published under fake name, or using metaphor to avoid issues ..
So it's more the opposite of this
Thats just a provable nonsense. Like it would not be nonsense enough to create a term protoscience you say that every protoscientist was a pursuer of the kings art or alchemy or whatever coincidental.
How about no?
How about you are almost right, as the alchemists are almost scientist ok?
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God doesn't exist, get over it Cheesy
He does. And what about science then?
God doesn't exist, get over it 
Because there is no or very little science that actually exist today that is not derived from this lol
Alchemy is very old art, practiced since ancient egypt, and many were not fancied at all, many had to hide, and actually most published under fake name, or using metaphor to avoid issues ..
So it's more the opposite of this
Alchemy is very old art, practiced since ancient egypt, and many were not fancied at all, many had to hide, and actually most published under fake name, or using metaphor to avoid issues ..
So it's more the opposite of this
No serious alchemist is about turning lead to gold, only scamer fake alchemist.
Philosopher stone, there is a strong hint in the name.
Philosophy is not about making gold.
But many fake alchemist pretended to be able to do this. Mostly for greed and scam.
But it was never the objective of true alchemists.
Gold is metaphor used by occultist for something of value.
Alchemy is about increasing value of raw natural things. Including human spirit through philosophy.
It's what true alchemist refer to as the "great work" refining natural things to increase their worth through knowledge, wisdom, philosophy etc.
Philosopher stone, there is a strong hint in the name.
Philosophy is not about making gold.
But many fake alchemist pretended to be able to do this. Mostly for greed and scam.
But it was never the objective of true alchemists.
Gold is metaphor used by occultist for something of value.
Alchemy is about increasing value of raw natural things. Including human spirit through philosophy.
It's what true alchemist refer to as the "great work" refining natural things to increase their worth through knowledge, wisdom, philosophy etc.
How do you prove, that this have anything to do with science, and it not being an intellectual fashion of some kind.
Its like you wouldnt become famous not wearing a fancy hat and not speaking about fancy alchemy something.
No serious alchemist is about turning lead to gold, only scamer fake alchemist.
Philosopher stone, there is a strong hint in the name.
Philosophy is not about making gold.
But many fake alchemist pretended to be able to do this. Mostly for greed and scam.
But it was never the objective of true alchemists.
Gold is metaphor used by occultist for something of value.
Alchemy is about increasing value of raw natural things. Including human spirit through philosophy.
It's what true alchemist refer to as the "great work" refining natural things to increase their worth through knowledge, wisdom, philosophy etc.
In the metaphor lead is the coarse, raw, common, vulgarisation, heavy s, natural state of human spirit, that can be turned to more valuable using philosophy.
Philosopher stone, there is a strong hint in the name.
Philosophy is not about making gold.
But many fake alchemist pretended to be able to do this. Mostly for greed and scam.
But it was never the objective of true alchemists.
Gold is metaphor used by occultist for something of value.
Alchemy is about increasing value of raw natural things. Including human spirit through philosophy.
It's what true alchemist refer to as the "great work" refining natural things to increase their worth through knowledge, wisdom, philosophy etc.
In the metaphor lead is the coarse, raw, common, vulgarisation, heavy s, natural state of human spirit, that can be turned to more valuable using philosophy.
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Probably another coincidence Roll Eyes
Sorry but yes.
Thats what people did that time. Like wearing silly hats. I could prove that wearing silly hats had made them smarter.
Wrong ideas are wrong. What else should I tell you. You cannot make gold out of lead without enourmous input of energy..... You just can't Im sorry to destroy your dreams.
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But all studies and evidences show this Wink
Only if you want to believe thats any evidences are not coincidences. You cannot prove they are one or another.
Im looking for boyle in wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boyle
Robert Boyle was an alchemist;[23] and believing the transmutation of metals to be a possibility, he carried out experiments in the hope of achieving it; and he was instrumental in obtaining the repeal, in 1689, of the statute of Henry IV against multiplying gold and silver.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boyle#Theological_interests
In addition to philosophy, Boyle devoted much time to theology, showing a very decided leaning to the practical side and an indifference to controversial polemics. At the Restoration of the king in 1660, he was favourably received at court and in 1665 would have received the provostship of Eton College had he agreed to take holy orders, but this he refused to do on the ground that his writings on religious subjects would have greater weight coming from a layman than a paid minister of the Church.
As a director of the East India Company he spent large sums in promoting the spread of Christianity in the East, contributing liberally to missionary societies and to the expenses of translating the Bible or portions of it into various languages.
Probably another coincidence
All available evidence show this, after can always discard all reasonable evidence and studies to pretend otherwise ..
But all studies and evidences show this
After if we cant know anything, then it's true for jesus, bible, Boyle and everything else and any claims is just make believe babbling ..
But when studying actual evidence, how actual science was formed, the path of reasoning, it's what comes out of it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boyle
Robert Boyle was an alchemist;[23] and believing the transmutation of metals to be a possibility, he carried out experiments in the hope of achieving it; and he was instrumental in obtaining the repeal, in 1689, of the statute of Henry IV against multiplying gold and silver.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boyle#Theological_interests
In addition to philosophy, Boyle devoted much time to theology, showing a very decided leaning to the practical side and an indifference to controversial polemics. At the Restoration of the king in 1660, he was favourably received at court and in 1665 would have received the provostship of Eton College had he agreed to take holy orders, but this he refused to do on the ground that his writings on religious subjects would have greater weight coming from a layman than a paid minister of the Church.
As a director of the East India Company he spent large sums in promoting the spread of Christianity in the East, contributing liberally to missionary societies and to the expenses of translating the Bible or portions of it into various languages.
Probably another coincidence
All available evidence show this, after can always discard all reasonable evidence and studies to pretend otherwise ..
But all studies and evidences show this
After if we cant know anything, then it's true for jesus, bible, Boyle and everything else and any claims is just make believe babbling ..
But when studying actual evidence, how actual science was formed, the path of reasoning, it's what comes out of it.
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