Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 155. (Read 845809 times)

You are completely mis lead about caballa & alchemy, that's too much to take for your indoctrinated mind lol

Arabic invented science lol

trigo, algebra, astronomy, chemistry etc. All sciences .

You invented the moon  sabath science, congratulations simpleton. You ll go far with this.

But I would not have expected you to read much other than the 3 pages of your bible conforting you in your simple minded view of the universe.

10The lips of a king speak as an oracle,
and his mouth does not betray justice.
11Honest scales and balances belong to the Lord;
all the weights in the bag are of his making.

God will have the last laugh here.

For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

Not that Im on to something but don't be too hasty to judge others. He might be a fool, but the wisdom of the wise shall be destroyed.

One of the proof of the God existance is that the moon calendar is always observably true. There are always 4 sabaths and one and a half of new moon feasting every moon time. And after the six years there should be a seventh sabath year that fixes the periods of the years. Its more accurate than the sun calendar we are using today.

It does not prove the God existance per se. But it proves its accurate astronomicly. And proves Bible is accurate and still valid in our modern times of scepticism.

Another one is that the original four rivers could be traced with their origin on the mount Ararat and those are in the middle east and are giving the origin to the three oceans and one middle terraneum sea that is considered to be the Eufrates. Thats just a theory that states that those rivers of garden of eden contains all waters of the earth.

You believe everything that is written in the books? Then you have a wonderful book of fairy tales by Hans Christian Andersen. You will have a fabulous life if you believe everything that is written there. The Bible is the same collection of fairy tales, only larger.

In the book has been explained that God is there and God is only one.

Well... Cabala is somewhat related to the God, not that I know of, but they claim it is. Its not scientific tho - so I don't know if it fits. And they - some people that have enough of time and a too little problems, are implying that Cabala is science.... Well... No, it is not.

Well... cabalist almost proves that Satan exist lol. By the same fact of them doing the sophistry. They are like their father - the greatest sophist ever existed. And that God have none of his and he has none of God.

God is simple. Science is simple. Thats a connection one should find that if one leads to the other you are on a right track. And the puritans were on the right track.

It's actually about proving god with science and most people here are talking about something else for some reason.

Should I feel bad that I don't know anything about your sophistry? No.  Neither I would want to know anything about cabala srabala or anything with baala on it.

Alchemy does not work. Philosopher stone does not exist. Thats a bunch of a bull... something.

Not that the alchemists did not discover something. They did. Sophistry.

Just look like mandarins have come to an end with their sophistry? Very bad. Just look like an arabs end with their sophistry - a little less bad. And now look to the puritans that just said - enough with this crap about methaphysics, lets just make a real science. How did puritans science worked out? Enourmously well... Does it says something about the sophistry you are making? Yeah it does. Its not SCIENCE.

As far as I am aware this topic is about the science.  

By the fruits you will know them. And the fruits of mandarins stinks... its rotten. Its bad for you. Its absurdaly wrong.

Chemistry that is based on puritans research is as well numerical. Every atom is enumerated and every particle is enumerated with enumerated atoms. And that makes sense, and have uses. Not enumerated mathematic neither have uses neither sense, as we can see in the case of alchemy.


And the arabs have so advanced society... No they don't. And the fruits of their life are rotten. I will abstain from reading it.


Yes. The one that abstained from alcoholic beverages to stone themselves with opioids. So much rigorous and logical behaviour.

For me it looks like:

Leprehauns + unicorns = baalance in cabaala ballblalala.

Scientific statement or a joke? There is no balance, there is no equality. Its bullshit language. There is only numerical equity and balance on some scale. The world is not a scale. mmmk? Those are just words. And only applicable to numbers and scales.

The world is only a scale if you deliberatly want for it to look like that. I fail to see a world as a scale ok? How to measure my life on that scale? Could you do that?

I mean we already discussed the 40 cases link and they were all bullshit and debunked so from there on I just didn't really care about what you had to say. I will say it again, where are the applications if all those things you claim are real, where are the applications?

Listen up, Astargath!

Actually you cannot be taken too seriously because you cannot explain the video and other demonstrations.

No its not magic lol

It's like the principle by lavoisier "nothing is created or destroyed, but transformed"

But the principle is older.

Deep down it's monotheistic principle, coming from Islamic science. That everything is a whole, and there is only change of form due to divine action.

Its the principle in metaphysics that there is motion because things "longs" to be somewhere else, due to some inbalance , or that there is motion or evolution because things need to reach a perfect state.

Algebra is related to justice too, as in finding the unknown that created inbalance, and feeling of injustice. As in comiting a sin is creating an inbalance that need to be rebalanced through an act of justice. Hence justice is often represented as a scale.

The principle of holy spirit is a principle of transformation too, with the bible being seen as the agent of transformation.

Could say human + bible = holy spirit. That's a principle of equivalence.

Or you can turn it the other way as

Holy spirit - human = ??

As a "difference" between human as "666" and Enlightenment or holy spirit.

That's algebra.

Alchemy originally is also science of inner transformation, and finding unknown that created inbalance as in seeking the perfect state where things are balanced.

Could say holy spirit is reaching perfect state of balance where nothing more need to be added or removed and being in eternal state of perfection.


The principle of algebra is very rigorous, I think first used in chemistry to represent equivalence between two elements who can be transformed to each others.


Like mineral + mercury = gold.



An equation represent equality between two different things.

It can only come from rigorous monotheist mind.


The origin of algebra is from "theory of balance in nature" from al jabir.


Originally it's not coming from arithmetics or quantities, even if it found application in mathematics and arithmetics very quickly.

Magic! Another thing forbidden in the Bible. I wonder why.... Oh.. I know... It complicates stuff.

Why create such a concepts like a equivalence of things. You don't believe in voodoo don't you? I hope you don't. You seem to be very intelligent being. I don't want to lose that impression.

Logic is more socratic, principle of non contradiction, mathematics is just one application of logic mostly developped by euclid.

There are many quantities that can be easily constructed via geometry or algebra who doesnt resolve to numbers as in arithmetic.


Algebra deep down comes more from metaphysics / alchemy, science of transformation, principle of equivalence between two different things, even if they are not exactly quantities.

Exceptions does not make rules obsolete - they make them stronger by being and exceptions.

Oh well...Having 0- false 1- true in logic is enumeration as well.

Not really

The simplest example is square root of two, it's not a rational number, Pythagoras knew it existed as the hypothenus of triangle of side 1,could easily be constructed geometrically, but impossible to find through arithmetics

It's same with pi. Im not sure even today we have arithmetic formulation of pi.

Geometry allow to construct things that are beyond arithmetic.

Algebra originally is not even directly related to mathematics.

Touche. 1:0 for you there. You had won a watch mister. Needless to say it all comes down to numbers.

Alebgra doesnt use numbers but variable.

Algebra is not arithmetics.

Geometry is not arithmetics.

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone." Luke 18:19

Im a needlessly complicated and complicating little fuck like you. Not that one could try not to be one.

You need to enumerate things for them to be compacted into an algebra.

Mathematics is all about finding simplest and most concise non equivocal expression of truth. Mathematics is not about enumerating things  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_beauty

Mathematicians describe an especially pleasing method of proof as elegant. Depending on context, this may mean:

A proof that uses a minimum of additional assumptions or previous results.
A proof that is unusually succinct.



There is no scientific discoverer, no poet, no painter, no musician, who will not tell you that he found ready made his discovery or poem or picture – that it came to him from outside, and that he did not consciously create it from within.

— William Kingdon Clifford, from a lecture to the Royal Institution titled "Some of the conditions of mental development"

Even your dear bible say that there are sins and temptation to be avoided. If all was so simple and Innate, there would be no sin at all.

Yeah. Ignorant minds complicate reality not the simple minds.

Mathematics is just a playground for the mind. I don't understand at all the cabalistic way of making numbers mean something. I think its what I have said - the ignorant mind complicate reality. If the life would not make enough mess we need to enumerate it?

Even your dear Confucius was saying that if words are complicated - have multiple meanings, they mean nothing. So its better to have simple meaning that no meaning at all.