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March 31, 2017, 07:46:24 PM
Go ahead and tell that to that african priest who had too much faith in his powers of controling the nature and got killed by lions. Try it yourself, in fact. Go to the zoo, have faith in my words and jump into the lions cage. Don't be scared, have faith, and you will be able to control them. Come back with pictures, okay?

That isn't faith. It might be faith simulation, but it isn't faith. Of course, if it were faith, it would happen according to the "wishes" of the person who had the faith.

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That is faith. "Faith simulation" doesn't even make sense. That african priest did exactly as Peter supposedly initially did, walking on water(before he lost faith and started to sink). Either way it shows that either 1) The priest didn't have enough of this imaginary thing called faith, 2) God doesn't exist, obviously and hence he died in vain for believing in something that was never there to begin with.

Faith simulation is when someone attempts to believe that he has enough faith. Peter had enough faith as long as he kept his eyes on Jesus.

Proof of the existence of God is both a science thing, and a nature thing:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

In any event, you have stated that God doesn't exist. Prove it by showing the vast knowledge that you have... knowledge that knows virtually every corner of the macrocosm and microcosm, plus all the dimensions, so that we all know that you have checked everything out to be certain that God isn't out there somewhere.

If you fail in this proof, then you are at least ignorant about your atheism, but are probably a liar. Why a liar? You are capable of realizing your lack of knowledge of some areas that God might exist in, and yet you say that God doesn't exist.

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BADecker principle rule number 1:
"If a point of discussion does not meet criteria of one's own belief, then ignore the context and claim it is wrong".

Therefore, your proof is wrong, so please give me proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCTEhezcYw  Burden of proof lies with those who claim god exists can be found here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8   Answer to the first cause argument can be found here.
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March 31, 2017, 07:16:27 PM
Go ahead and tell that to that african priest who had too much faith in his powers of controling the nature and got killed by lions. Try it yourself, in fact. Go to the zoo, have faith in my words and jump into the lions cage. Don't be scared, have faith, and you will be able to control them. Come back with pictures, okay?

That isn't faith. It might be faith simulation, but it isn't faith. Of course, if it were faith, it would happen according to the "wishes" of the person who had the faith.

Cool

That is faith. "Faith simulation" doesn't even make sense. That african priest did exactly as Peter supposedly initially did, walking on water(before he lost faith and started to sink). Either way it shows that either 1) The priest didn't have enough of this imaginary thing called faith, 2) God doesn't exist, obviously and hence he died in vain for believing in something that was never there to begin with.

Faith simulation is when someone attempts to believe that he has enough faith. Peter had enough faith as long as he kept his eyes on Jesus.

Proof of the existence of God is both a science thing, and a nature thing:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

In any event, you have stated that God doesn't exist. Prove it by showing the vast knowledge that you have... knowledge that knows virtually every corner of the macrocosm and microcosm, plus all the dimensions, so that we all know that you have checked everything out to be certain that God isn't out there somewhere.

If you fail in this proof, then you are at least ignorant about your atheism, but are probably a liar. Why a liar? You are capable of realizing your lack of knowledge of some areas that God might exist in, and yet you say that God doesn't exist.

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March 31, 2017, 05:33:17 PM
Go ahead and tell that to that african priest who had too much faith in his powers of controling the nature and got killed by lions. Try it yourself, in fact. Go to the zoo, have faith in my words and jump into the lions cage. Don't be scared, have faith, and you will be able to control them. Come back with pictures, okay?

That isn't faith. It might be faith simulation, but it isn't faith. Of course, if it were faith, it would happen according to the "wishes" of the person who had the faith.

Cool

That is faith. "Faith simulation" doesn't even make sense. That african priest did exactly as Peter supposedly initially did, walking on water(before he lost faith and started to sink). Either way it shows that either 1) The priest didn't have enough of this imaginary thing called faith, 2) God doesn't exist, obviously and hence he died in vain for believing in something that was never there to begin with.
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March 31, 2017, 05:16:41 PM
Yes, I am pretty sure if he had real faith, the kind of faith only you guys know about, he would have easily controled those lions. As for Chrisivl, he was not seeking death, he was proving faith is above everything. The lions, however, did not get affected by his faith and reacted normally by killing him. Fairy tale time is over boys, get over it. Humanity does not need blind faith and manipulation via religion anymore.
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March 31, 2017, 04:27:55 PM
Go ahead and tell that to that african priest who had too much faith in his powers of controling the nature and got killed by lions. Try it yourself, in fact. Go to the zoo, have faith in my words and jump into the lions cage. Don't be scared, have faith, and you will be able to control them. Come back with pictures, okay?

That isn't faith. It might be faith simulation, but it isn't faith. Of course, if it were faith, it would happen according to the "wishes" of the person who had the faith.

Cool
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March 31, 2017, 03:46:57 PM
Go ahead and tell that to that african priest who had too much faith in his powers of controling the nature and got killed by lions. Try it yourself, in fact. Go to the zoo, have faith in my words and jump into the lions cage. Don't be scared, have faith, and you will be able to control them. Come back with pictures, okay?
You have a very peculiar sense of humor. Or you do not know the meaning of faith, or you have not heard such words as "God cares." If you seek death yourself, then no one will help.
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March 31, 2017, 10:49:10 AM
Go ahead and tell that to that african priest who had too much faith in his powers of controling the nature and got killed by lions. Try it yourself, in fact. Go to the zoo, have faith in my words and jump into the lions cage. Don't be scared, have faith, and you will be able to control them. Come back with pictures, okay?
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March 31, 2017, 10:45:13 AM
That argument will always come first, the health industry rejects it. If it is tested and researched and the health industry does reject it, can we see some proof of the rejection? Anything at all, please? Can you come with examples of the research on the power of prayer? Please come with more than arguments and you shall be trusted.

I already stated several times that prayer will not destroy a pathogen by itself, but I was able to see the results of the remote healing (pathogen cleanse) right away. Since Tom and I are the only ones conducting these experiments, it is probably correct to say that others are not interested and reject the idea of remote healing.

It is far from probably correct to say that since numbers tell you it's probably correct to say that others are not interested and reject the idea knowing it's pure bullshit and they prefer to recieve real specialised treatment. You are just being delusional.

Whatever faith is, it is the thing that controls all of nature and everything else. People are weak in faith. That is why God gave them material things, to strengthen their faith. Prayer, also, strengthens faith. Faith doesn't need prayer to make anything work. But people need prayer to strengthen their faith.

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March 31, 2017, 09:09:07 AM
That argument will always come first, the health industry rejects it. If it is tested and researched and the health industry does reject it, can we see some proof of the rejection? Anything at all, please? Can you come with examples of the research on the power of prayer? Please come with more than arguments and you shall be trusted.

I already stated several times that prayer will not destroy a pathogen by itself, but I was able to see the results of the remote healing (pathogen cleanse) right away. Since Tom and I are the only ones conducting these experiments, it is probably correct to say that others are not interested and reject the idea of remote healing.

It is far from probably correct to say that since numbers tell you it's probably correct to say that others are not interested and reject the idea knowing it's pure bullshit and they prefer to recieve real specialised treatment. You are just being delusional.
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March 31, 2017, 08:17:20 AM
science does not work that way, science mostly provides facts that God does not exits Undecided 
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March 30, 2017, 06:11:25 PM
That argument will always come first, the health industry rejects it. If it is tested and researched and the health industry does reject it, can we see some proof of the rejection? Anything at all, please? Can you come with examples of the research on the power of prayer? Please come with more than arguments and you shall be trusted.

I already stated several times that prayer will not destroy a pathogen by itself, but I was able to see the results of the remote healing (pathogen cleanse) right away. Since Tom and I are the only ones conducting these experiments, it is probably correct to say that others are not interested and reject the idea of remote healing.
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March 30, 2017, 06:00:43 PM
That argument will always come first, the health industry rejects it. If it is tested and researched and the health industry does reject it, can we see some proof of the rejection? Anything at all, please? Can you come with examples of the research on the power of prayer? Please come with more than arguments and you shall be trusted.

Even no one will conduct these studies. No one needs to prove it. There must always be a confrontation between believers and atheists
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March 30, 2017, 10:40:34 AM
That argument will always come first, the health industry rejects it. If it is tested and researched and the health industry does reject it, can we see some proof of the rejection? Anything at all, please? Can you come with examples of the research on the power of prayer? Please come with more than arguments and you shall be trusted.
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March 30, 2017, 02:28:40 AM
Official medicine is moving in the wrong direction if it tries to ignore the role of vibrational physics in disease. Often the official medical position continues to be wrong, like with root canals, vaccines, astrology...

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the famous quote from Hippocrates  : “a physician without a knowledge of Astrology has no right to call himself a physician .” The was held to be true by physicians throughout the 17th Century in the West and in many parts of the world, such as India, it was never forgotten. The reverse was also true. Every astrologer was expected to know something about Physic because  astrology deals with body, mind and soul. Various plants were used in relation to their planetary natures to bring about the desired result.
Medicine is in need of reform and already there is a naturopath in every city, the more that we can distribute the correct healing protocol the better results for everyone.

Just consider the many smart individuals who all believed in a Creator! Here you can see some of the greatest minds in science and mathematics probing the great mysteries and overcoming the materialist bias of their peers.
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/eminent_researchers

Francis Bacon, “Of Atheism” (1601): “A little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism; but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion,”

The raw truth is never popular. As for scalar energy, it is not harmful and not untested, it is merely rejected by the mainstream for-profit health industry. Most people understand intuitively that prayer works as a motivator and confidence booster, there is even some research showing the positive effect of magical thinking on performance.
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March 29, 2017, 08:52:39 PM
Only a few selected groups of real believers which are the same people experimenting, thinking, looking and seeking for the truth will see the obvious signs and evidence of God existing.

This is also an explanation of why atheism is a religion. They try ignore the fact that God exists.

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March 29, 2017, 08:50:55 PM
Religious people are liars period. Note their god is the true god? So which one is that? Last I heard on my planetary travels is that every sphere has a lord from below, so once we've ripped this planet for all it has, and move to another x amount of light years away, what will the lord of that sphere be called, and will folks still claim god is the light, which obviously comes from the fire we breath?

You are calling yourself a liar. Number 6 from the definition of "religion from http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t:
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

According to the definition, you seem to have a religion of non-religion.

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March 29, 2017, 04:51:14 PM
Only a few selected groups of real believers which are the same people experimenting, thinking, looking and seeking for the truth will see the obvious signs and evidence of God existing.
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March 29, 2017, 04:08:00 PM
While I am extremely tolerrant to beliefs and faith, I find it very dangerous when religious people come up with experiments such as 'try the healing energy of God'. Why would you lie to people telling them that in 15 days you can cure infections, illnesses, etc only with the help of prayer and faith? You can believe in whatever you want but keep it to yourself and most of it, keep your dumb ideas for yourself. Dumb people might end up dying or killing their children because of such idiotic nonsense. In my country, a case of two parents who refused treatment in favor of prayer for their little girl, who ended up dying, is still being judged.

Very sorry for the girl. She could still make decisions herself and her parents answered for her life. Believing in God is certainly good, but there is still official medicine. I think that first you need to go to the doctors, and if they are powerless, then you can try to be healed with the help of prayer.

oh i see, this poor little girl dies because the parents decide to believe in a mythical sky fairy to cure her rather than
seek proper medical attention and you have the audacity to claim believing in god is certainly good?
wtf are you thinking?
ah ok...so you pray after not before seeking real treatment...got it.
i got news for you... praying will do fuck all, regardless of whether you do it before or after seeking real treatment.


 but yeah, official medicine works, so do that before resorting to useless prayers to imaginary sky fairies .
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March 29, 2017, 04:02:49 PM
I pretty much doubt qwik2learn is a scientist or is specialised in studying the scalar waves and their effect on the imunity system. Also, even though some things are still tested on human beings, most of the experiments are being tested on animals.
I am conducting scientific research and I already disclosed my findings, I only tested for pathogen cleanse effectiveness. By the way I still zap myself and feel the pathogenic activity in my mouth, that is because of constant re-infection that must be treated; I had fewer sensations in my mouth when treated with scalar energy than with daily microcurrent and no outbreaks, but I will not be using myself as a CONTROL GROUP for this study . Naturopaths will have more experience than I on scalar treatment for a variety of issues, you could also become an expert and help to heal the world's diseases. Anyone can try this test on animals, allegedly even on pathogens on a microscope slide. Why is Tom posting experiments that confirm my experience while you sit back and say that neither of us are scientists? Is it just because we are not believing in the philosophical materialism of scientism? Perhaps you could ask a local scientists group to take a photo of some pathogens like in Tom's experiment. Yes that is a very nice experiment to try! I think that citizen science is fun!

You see, you are not conducting a scientific research, not by far. You are only trying what a scam artist (Tom Paladino) told you can heal the unhealed diseases (not a fucking tooth infection). Your infection relapsed because it has not been treated, but fought back. What you idiot do not understand is that you might have a cavity along with that infection, and by not going to a dentist who will intervene to treat the infection and clean everything up, you might lose your tooth because if there is tissue damage, scalar energy won't do shit to build it back. Not anyone can try this test on animals because not anyone is a scientist, you went from try it on yourselves to try it on animals. Let the animals be and you zap yourself as much as you want, stop telling people to try your shit until that shit becomes properly researched and not just claimed to be researched by a complete whaco that scams people on the internet. Both of you are not scientists and both of you can zap yourselves as much as you can, just don't tell other idiots to do the same. Thank you!
I am urging everyone to test this out, it will not hurt anyone to submit their photograph, right??? Why do you think that the energy could produce a remote harm or benefit via your photo if this guy is a scam artist?! Seems illogical.
One can include a photo of a pet as well. Your opinion on the effectiveness or danger of submitting a photo is not backed by any evidence, on the other hand I have personally seen that pathogens are cleansed from the infected area, something that normally would have to be done with either microcurrent or chemical antibiotics. The treatment is free, and it is not like sending a photo of your foot is going to harm you from a distance. I will certainly be following up on my experiment, I will not wait for others, and I never call people crazy until I have determined the truth for myself.
I am not talking about the danger of submitting a photo, you donkey, I am talking about the danger of not seeking treatment for something that might endanger your life and submitting yourself to the tiny possiblity of a miracle. You do that, don't urge others to do that. If that treatment will ever be successful, doctors around the world will accept it and use it. Since it's not used by doctors, it means it's not yet fully researched. Again I tell you, test it as much as you want on yourself, do not urge other people to use it instead of seeking the attention of a doctor for their health problems.
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March 29, 2017, 01:52:29 PM
While I am extremely tolerrant to beliefs and faith, I find it very dangerous when religious people come up with experiments such as 'try the healing energy of God'. Why would you lie to people telling them that in 15 days you can cure infections, illnesses, etc only with the help of prayer and faith? You can believe in whatever you want but keep it to yourself and most of it, keep your dumb ideas for yourself. Dumb people might end up dying or killing their children because of such idiotic nonsense. In my country, a case of two parents who refused treatment in favor of prayer for their little girl, who ended up dying, is still being judged.

Very sorry for the girl. She could still make decisions herself and her parents answered for her life. Believing in God is certainly good, but there is still official medicine. I think that first you need to go to the doctors, and if they are powerless, then you can try to be healed with the help of prayer.
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