Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 248. (Read 845582 times)

Well, it's too bad you feel that way. Too bad for you, that is. These feelings will probably keep you from being saved for eternal life. It's the one thing that God even made this whole universe and life for... salvation for all who come to His Son, Jesus. And this is the thing that the Bible talks about.

Oh well. Your choice.

An advanced document?

Not only is the Christian bible not a "good book" it probably the worst written diatribe against humanity I've ever read. It's choppy, fails to make complete points, different sections contradict each other, sections are obviously written to control the ancient societies through fear, it tells stories similar in nature to what a preschooler might make up, at best it's nonsensical and at worst it's a complete tissue of lies added to by every ruler that's decided to retranslate it for 2000 years.

If you want to read a really good book from ancient history try The Republic by Plato or Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu.

In general, I totally agree with you. But until you brought it up just now, this hadn't been in our conversation.

When you look through the Bible in a little more detail, you see that it is an advanced document, way advanced beyond any other religious or philosophical documents we have. In addition, the miracles reported on are in advance of anything that we can scientifically do.

Because I think it's stupid for a supposedly advanced civilization to collectively believe in and make decisions based on a two thousand year old mythology created by cave dwellers. Don't feel bad, I don't believe in Zeus or Poseidon either. 

Why is it that you don't like the idea of God?

The level of complexity of God is beyond us, and some aspects of the complexity of the universe may forever be beyond us as well. But some aspects of God are open for us to see.

First, we can see by logic that we have used already, that God does indeed exist. Here is how we can know more. God is not at all unaware of what He has created. He is God. So, when He makes Himself known to us, we can know Him.

Certainly in this life, in the things that God has ordained here for us, we will never know everything about God. And it is altogether possible that we will never know everything about God ever. But God, Himself, holds open knowledge about Himself for us. That's how we can determine that He exists through using logic when we look at the universe.

God hasn't left us to know only this about Him. He has put the nation of Israel together to show us more about Himself and His nature through what is written in the Bible. And, He has sent His Spirit to all who believe in Jesus Christ, His Son, to show us a lot more... including the way to be saved for eternal life.

You can call me Tommy sweetheart.  

You're right the universe is as infinitely complex as God and we can't know about the universe. Since God is so complex we can't know about him either. There must not be a God then because that level of complexity is beyond us and we couldn't perceive something that complex.

The only problem with Timmy/Tommy is, the complexity of the universe when compared with our pathetic complexity, leaves us so far in the dust that Timmy/Tommy is a false interpretation of the way it really is. God and the devil are both way beyond our understanding, just like the technology that is built into the universe, while Timmy/Tommy are not. So, for purposes of feeling of some consequence, we try to make God out to be less that He is.

Let's keep the truth of God. He is so far beyond us that if we happened to be a thousand times as great as we are, God would still be as far beyond us as He is now.

Actually, the thing that is difficult is having a creative imagination. People believe what they have been told.

Isn't it very obvious that complexity doesn't come out of the simple? The world and universe are complex around us. If that happened to be all there was, we might consider it to be the norm, and that it were simplicity as well as complexity. But that is not all there is.

Consider your smartphone, or the internet. Or remember the automobile?

The first guy who came up with an automobile might have done it reasonably much alone. He might have built the whole thing from scratch, alone. But the modern car, a thing that is far more complex than the original automobile, was only designed and built after thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) of people figured out all the various aspects of the materials and technologies that go into a car. And when this was done, it still took a lot of people - not one person alone - to put everything together so that we can have cars.

This shows us the complexity of nature. How? We have the ability to manipulate "things" enough to imitate nature a little. But we are far from making something as complex as real life. And even if we kick-started some chemicals into a rudimentary form of life, we are still billions of miles from creating the complexities of an ecological system that can reproduce the quantities and varieties of life that we find all around us in nature. And all this is in the face of a nature that is dying as species die out right and left.

Whatever made complex life, must have been way more complex than life is, and way more complex than we are. If we hadn't started inventing complex "machines," we might have a hard time understanding this. But the ancient peoples understood. That's why they had all their religions. They were seeking God, a God they found necessary to exist simply because of the not so complex machines that they made.

The complexity of design that we have made with our technology, has blinded us to the fact that our technology is still exceedingly low on the scale of technology when compared with the technology in nature. We feel proud that we have made such great advances. We forget that our advances are almost nothing in light of what there is to advance to.

The thinking we should be doing is to find the God who made the technology of the universe. Rather we go about trying to deny that He exists. How retarded we have become in our complexity.

Let's not say God or the devil but instead two different names. Timmy and tommy will work.

Timmy is good and tommy is bad. Regardless of what caused anything to happen we assign responsibility to one of them because that's easier than trying to find an actual reason things happen.

Babies born with deformity are tommys fault.

A great scientist eradicating polio happened because he believed in and was guided by Timmy.

A train derailed and killed masses of Timmy believers because of massive snowfall so obviously tommy was working his evil on the clouds.

If we all just believed in Timmy the world would be a much better place.

If I had a Jeanie in a lamp and could get three wishes I would wish that everyone in the world believed in Timmy except you and me. That way I could prove to you that bad things will still happen even if everyone in the world followed the word of Timmy.

It is difficult to explain the existence of God in science.
But life is really wonderful, it is hard to imagine life is a natural evolution.

An enemy did this. The enemy is the one who introduced death into the people. Of course, it was through deception which the people accepted rather than obeying God. So, it is also the fault of the people, not God.

Gods perfect design went a little wrong when he made those babies. Maybe He's not perfect after all.

God even loves spiritually deformed adults who think that God doesn't love deformed children.

Jesus loves the little children, all the perfect children of the world....




.....Except these because they're little deformed assholes.

The devil tries, constantly, but God cures it constantly... http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/nicholas-gonzalez-md-and-trophoblastic-theory-cancer:

Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him. 

I hope God gives you cancer. lol

Because only people who are flawed by accepting the devil's works and by thinking the flawed things they enjoy thinking could think that God created flawed people.

.......because only God could create a creature as obviously flawed in design as homo sapiens.

Right! Humans are artificial intelligence. God is only Real Intelligence.